NPD: Windows 8 hasn't 'stimulated' PC gaming

Research group rep says Microsoft's new OS has not made market worse, but hasn't made it better; 4.25 percent of Steam users running Windows 8 64-bit.

Microsoft's new operating system Windows 8 has not provided the jolt to the PC gaming crowd that its arrival was expected to bring. That's according to research firm NPD's Stephen Baker, who told Digital Trends that Windows 8 hasn't been a detriment either.

"It hasn’t made the market any worse, but it hasn't stimulated things either," Baker said. “It hasn't provided the impetus to sales everybody hoped for."

One major player in the PC gaming community is Valve, which owns and operates the Steam digital distribution platform. According to Valve's hardware and software survey for November 2012, just .44 percent of Steam's 50 million members are running Windows 8 32-bit, though a healthier 4.25 percent have the 64-bit version installed.

Windows 7 remains the most popular operating system for Steam users, with the 64-bit version accounting for 58.58 percent of all users. The highest ranking Mac version is Mac OS 10.8.2 64-bit, which makes up just 1.49 percent of all users.

Windows 8 has officially sold 40 million copies since launch in late October.

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jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

That is because windows 8 was designed around tablet, light notebooks, and mobile more then what a PC gamer needs which is low ram, low resources, background OS usage when playing games. Todays gaming community, hardcore gamers, or pc gamers who use the pc as their platform of choice will be playing on a desktop or laptop with a separate video card. They are not worried about power consumption, mobile apps, wifi or 3g 4g support they want an OS that when a game is launched goes into as low resource mode as possible to allow for as much ram and processing power to go towards the game- well like a console. 

Don't get me wrong there is a need for mobile, tablet software but if you want adoption by gamers, design it around real games, not farmville. 

redness19
redness19

Until video games stop supporting Windows 7, I'll never have a need to upgrade. What' the point anyway? A new OS comes out every 2 years or so.

bloody-hell
bloody-hell

Now why am I not surprised.

 

Offer customers to replace a perfectly fine working WIndows 7 with an OS that's made primarily for tablets and smartphones and expect lots of sales ? Hahaha ...

Unless Windows 8 is bundled with a new PC no sane person would want to upgrade to Windows 8 and those where it comes bundled will reinstall it with Windows 7 again.

 

And even though each and every article trys to cram in the 40 million sales (because it makes it sound like success), it still wasn't disclosed yet with facts how many of those "sales" were actual sales, as in people really buying it - This number is most likely just the licenses handed out to manufacturers and shops, not actually sold and even less, actually used (installed) copies.

 

Also, trying to lock the new DirectX 11.1 exclusively to Windows 8 doesn't matter to me in the slightest, developers haven't even scratched the surface of DirectX 10 yet and games already look fabulous and run smooth as silk.

 

If Microsoft gets even more stupid with their ideas, developers should switch over to OpenGL, OpenAL and Linux and abandon DirectX and Windows.

If they won't realize that no customers means no money and that pissing off their customers may be a bad idea, they might as well just learn it the hard way then.

Zloth2
Zloth2

I don't think anyone said Windows 8 would stimulate game sales.

 

So just who the Hades is buying Windows 8 in friggn' 32-bit???  That's getting pretty insane.  I really wish Microsoft hadn't even offered that as an option.

crognalsen
crognalsen

I'm not certain why Windows 8 would be expected to boost gaming.  Microsoft has their own xbox 360 and make more money off it then they do with Windows.  Steam is actually far more popular on Windows and Microsoft makes no money from that.  Microsoft hasn't added a new version of directx in Windows 8.  Usually that is one of the selling points for gamers.  Unfortunately most companies are still making the leap from directx 9 to directx 11.  I also believe most gamers don't care about the extra effects these days.  I think most people are pretty satisfied with xbox or ps3 graphics.  Soon the next generation of consoles will come out and that may be the point where any additional graphics will just be extra.  They are nice to have, but not needed.  That could have a major impact on PC.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

I'm running Windows 8 right now, I'm really enjoying it. I honestly can't see why people hate it so much.

tchanah
tchanah

Win 8 is a good a OS. But I feel a disconnection between the metro and desktop when working with it. So I refrained from switching to Win 8 on my Gaming PC. 

toddx77
toddx77

When I brought up the fact Windows 8 was going to be a closed OS people were telling me 7 was also a closed OS as well.  So by listening to what you guys are saying is Windows 8 just a more closed OS then or or was 7 not really a closed OS?  I'm kind of confused lol.

AlphaWolF_J
AlphaWolF_J

All i can remember is the words CLOSED SYSTEM !.  and that is all i needed to know to stay far away , i wont support bad ideas nor steps taken against me as a consumer. 

theend3r
theend3r

They shloud at least make a new, improved file system. FAT is crap and NTFS could be improved too. And a new DX of course. That would make me at least think about it.

RockySquirrel
RockySquirrel

As long as my Steam games all run on Win7-64 I just don't feel like I'm missing out on anything...

zeifel
zeifel

as long as the trend of good-bad-good-bad Windows releases continues, I'll just wait for the next OS after Win8. I have seen my friends who rushed for Win8 upgrades getting problems while playing games. not all are game-breaking, but certainly annoying. anyway did Microsoft do anything significant to promote Win8 for gaming? like stability, newer DirectX, or something? all I know is Win8 is more touchscreen-friendly...

joshmonus
joshmonus

Windows 8 was not supposed to 'stimulate' gaming outside of app market like android & apple, and it sure has a long way to go.  Basically Win 7 kernel with new xbox menus.  Im a power user, start menu is a deal breaker on my desktops 

Granpire
Granpire

4.25%? That's a very significant number. It almost seems unlikely...

LonerCat
LonerCat

Win8...All I hear is that it's made for tablets or touch computers (better on them, at least) and has terrible compatibility problems. Besides, it comes from a company that believes PCs are made for family entertainment, not gaming. Which is utter BS.

hereatlast89
hereatlast89

It's not your dad's company that you people are fighting each other(geez).

Win8 has been launched, so stop yapping and get on with your life.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

How would it stimulate PC gaming?  It's a mobile phone/tablet operating system.

Dasim64
Dasim64

Honestly it doesn't really matter if people buy it right now. It will come on every new computer from now until the next Windows version is released and that will eventually add up to a whole lot of computers running Windows 8. At some point most of you will end up switching over for one reason or another. A few, like myself, won't do so until we are pretty much forced to.

Falru
Falru

Really the main problem is that Windows 8 is just...pointless, I suppose? What possible reason do I have to want to upgrade from 7. Why spend $100 on a new OS I don't remotely need for my computer when I could use that $100 for better computer hardware to used with said computer.

DIGN
DIGN

Every Windows 8 debate:

Side 1: Windows 8 performs great, my games run better also.

Side 2: Dude Metro dude

Side 1: But you don't have to use Metro it's...

Side 2: AHHH METRO STFU!

Bystander 1: Yeah I heard from some guy that Metro turns your computer into like a brick cause it's a closed system

Bystander 2: Yea, me too although I haven't used it myself, nor do I know a thing about computers, but from what I know it's aimed toward people who like bricks.

Side 1:....have you guys tried it befo....

All : NO STFU WHY WOULD WE TRY IT, IT HAS MERTO!

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

@bloody-hell I agree with everything you said, though I think windows 7 is not a perfect OS it is just such a large improvement over Vista, Win 7 does seem like a small miracle. 

If microsoft really wants to get home users and gamers to adopt, the first message should be: Hey come try win 8 it is simple, easy, still highly customizable.  When you game it goes into a mode that will give you this and that benchmarks faster over any other OS by using the least background resources possible, and not sucked down ram like Vista, matter of fact this is as far away from vista as possible. 

DIGN
DIGN

 @crognalsen Actually DirectX 11.1 is new and only available on Windows 8, but most games don't even use 11

gatsbythepig
gatsbythepig

 @crognalsen I agree.  Plus looking at a UI that looks like it was developed in the '80s, probably discourages anyone that might be interested.

 

The Dashborad is twice as bad as last year's xbox  UI.

Zloth2
Zloth2

 @AlphaWolF_J

 It's not closed.  The Microsoft Store is a closed system and anything that pops up in the Metro screen has to be Microsoft or bought through the store, but you're probably going to be making that whole Metro screen go away completely anyway.

02pheland
02pheland

 @AlphaWolF_J good for you but apple has been a fully closed system for a long time and consumers run head first into walls in an attempt to buy their crap products. Windows 8 is no where near as bad a a Mac Os But it needed to made some slight changes to stay competitive with new large idiot app gamer market 

DIGN
DIGN

 @zeifel Yep Direct X 11.1 is Windows 8 only.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus I just think of it as being a full-screen Start menu. That's literally all it is, everything from the old Start menu is there on the Start screen. They've basically changed it up so that your programs are on the Start screen, while the Settings charm on the desktop has all your other options (Power, etc.). It just takes some getting used to. I'm enjoying it.

02pheland
02pheland

 @joshmonus Install classic shell and you can have your start menu back + the benefits of faster boot up and better resource management from windows 8

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @Thanatos2k It actually works quite well on a laptop. They've made it very easy to work with a mouse by using the corners instead of the edges to bring up the Charms and such.

DIGN
DIGN

 @Falru Actually it's $15 if you use the upgrade offer. $60 MAX if you buy it in-store not close to $100

overhang
overhang

 @DIGN You keep saying Win8 improved your gaming.

Post some screenshots prooving it.

Or do we have to believe in your Holy Words (or hollow words).

 

theend3r
theend3r

 @DIGN Yes, metro is a bloatware and I hate bloatware. What new things / improvements does it bring? And removal of an OPTION to have the start menu is a bad thing, the less options the worse.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN ur an idiot.  ppl dont like something new crammed down their throat, ie removing coding for the start menu that has been there for like 20 years.  Dont give me the third party start menu bs, i dont rely on 3rd party software for core functionality.

crognalsen
crognalsen

 @DIGN Apparently 11.1 just adds some 3D support.  I don't think many people have 3D capable TVs or Monitors.  Personally I don't like 3D that much.  I've tried it in the movie theater and find it gives me a headache.

 

I don't believe many games use directx 10 from Vista.  Most games still use directx 9 (lots of people still have xp and xbox 360 uses version 9 so it makes things easier to code for both Windows and Xbox 360 at the same time).  Many games now have the option to use directx 11.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @Zloth2  @AlphaWolF_J That's wrong as well. I have plenty of shortcuts on my Start screen that are not from the Store (All my Steam games, a couple other programs). It's just Live Tiles that have to be Win8 certified. 

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @02pheland I dont rely on 3rd party software for core functionality.  Microsoft really needs to publish the coding, I'm sure its already built.

overhang
overhang

 @DIGN  @Falru Even if it costs $1.00. I won't reinstall all my games and programs for nothing.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @overhang  @DIGN Even if it doesn't improve gaming, it does nothing to detract from it either. 

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus Oh, kind of like how the desktop was crammed down everyone's throat and now some people don't know what to do without it. 

Third party start menu? It's the same one from Windows 7 it was copy pasted into Win 8 which is why it was added on day one of the developer preview.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus  @DIGN Change is not inherently bad. Just because you have to move your mouse a little more (clicking in that corner now brings it up instead of being a button) , and the menu takes up the whole screen, does not mean the OS. Don't hate on it until you try it, it's honestly quite good.

02pheland
02pheland

 @xlord121  @AlphaWolF_J you may not and most gamers certainly wont but big corporate investors who only want the profit will be very interested  

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @overhang  @DIGN  @Falru That's true for most OS's. Anything that's compatible with the newer OS (which in this case would be literally everything) will be carried over.

overhang
overhang

 @DIGN  @Falru And my installed programs and games? That's a real upgrade, if it's true.

DIGN
DIGN

 @overhang  @Falru Too bad when you install it you have the option to keep your files and settings.

DIGN
DIGN

 @overhang  @Sakirenn It's gonna take some time to get screenshots. I just got finished installing dual monitors last night and today I'm going with my family on a trip for the weekend. I won't have much time to re-install Win 7 until I get back.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN "You're right this is the internet, I should expect stupid responses from stupid people."

 

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus Well looks like my works done here, you've proved my point. You're right this is the internet, I should expect stupid responses from stupid people.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN This is the internet moron, expect insults.

 

I did not say Win 8 session uses more resources, I said the start menu does.

 

I use Windows to fix Windows, Apple to fix Apple, Linux to fix Linux based on the quickest path to a solution.  Im currently running Server 2008 r2 hosting a Win 7 & Linux distro VM's, 2x Win 7 desktops, 2x Win 8 on ASUS G75/ASUS Slate and 10.8 Hackintosh/Win 7 desktop.  I utilize many tools.  

 

Never said I don't like Win 8, quite the contrary, my problem is with the start menu.

 

I make $ 115 per hour because I own an IT consulting business, my time is very valuable and not just to myself.

 

P.S.- Your stupid.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus  @DIGN Just because it takes up the entire screen does not mean it's any less functional. 

 

Also, you said earlier that the Start screen searching would not turn up files, Control Panel, firewall, etc. If you have a computer with Windows 8 on it, you very obviously are ignoring that one stroke of the down arrow will bring you to all of these things. It defaults to searching apps, as you were so quick to point out before. 

 

All of the functionality of the standard Start menu remains in the Start screen of Windows 8, and it adds a ton more versatility and customization options than the Start screen ever had. 

 

And even if you were the rich computer pro you seem to like to think you are ($115 an hour my ass),  waiting a few more milliseconds to bring up the Start screen isn't going to affect your performance in any significant way, you're just being nit-picky.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus  @DIGN Firstly, I didn't insult you, so don't insult me. let's keep this to facts and not layout random insults, because right now you're acting like an obnoxious self-centered child. (Fact: I've never done drugs in my life and I don't plan on it, I don't want become like you, a child in an adult body.) 

 

I never stated that I liked the Windows 8 start menu, so don't put words in my mouth, Lets be adults here.

 

Now let's get back to the topic at hand, get a calculator and open up TaskManager in Windows 7 and another in Windows 8. Subtract the differences of explorer.exe(your desktop) you should notice a slight difference in kb(kilobytes) with Windows 8 in favor. You could also look at the percentages of CPU and Memory usage and notice that  Windows 8 is in favor again. Go back to Algebra 1 this is basic calculations.

 

Now onto you contradicting yourself again, if you care so much about your work performance then you wouldn't be using Windows at all. You'd be using something along the lines of Linux which is free and performs faster than Windows 7 and is better for work in every way imaginable.

 

Just because you don't like Windows 8 doesn't make it worse than 7 you can have your preferences, but the fact is Windows 8 boots faster and takes up less resources. Until you can understand these simple facts I suggest grow up.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN "Win 8 start menu takes less resources than Win 7"  If you actually believe this then you need to go back to first grade math.  

 

Win 8 start menu reduces functionality, it takes up your entire screen for one (this obviously makes no difference for you because you like getting stoned and looking at pretty flashing lights) but for me it has an impact.  Likewise the search function has needless added navigation where on 7 its is streamlined.

 

Your in love with Windows 8, that is great.  I bet you live at home with your parents and only use your PC for facebook and playing games.  I, on the other hand, mostly use my computer for work, when something slows my work it is a liability and in the ends results in time/money lost.   Until you can understand these simple facts I suggest education.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus "GUI added functionality and took away nothing (aside from increased resources)."

 

*cough* contradiction *cough* Ok, so that's exactly what Win 8 Start Menu is. Except it takes less resources than Win 7 and it's a lot more optimized(faster boots, faster searches, ect.)

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN Oh kind of like how VGA was crammed down everybodys throat? What a stupid analogy.  GUI added functionality and took away nothing (aside from increased resources).

 

Yes its third party and I see a crapload of them.  When download.microsoft.com has the start menu, I'm on board.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus  @Sakirenn You keep telling us of this "job" you have, please tell us what you do that makes you feel so elite and above anyone who "flocks" toward Windows 8. $115 /hr. the way your talking it sounds like an easy job and I'll gladly do it better for less.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus click on it with my mouse? I thought everyone had a Windows button on their keyboard.

 

That's your problem, just because I don't use computers like you do doesn't mean that I don't understand them. You can still go through the whole computer without touching a mouse if that's what your getting at with all this "click w/ a mouse" stuff.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @Sakirenn Accusing somebody of lying on the internet, someone who you know basically nothing about and cannot prove otherwise is quite stupid.

 

I tested DNS query via domain, most any program from the past +10 years understands this request, however your 'intuitive' Win 8 start menu does not, it requires a FQDN.

 

"Controlled content delivery by default" this statement really needs no clarification. 

 

You like pretty and that is great, i prefer productivity first, so my start menu only consuming %10 of one of my screens is a plus.  

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus You obviously didn't test it, because not only do I happen to have a G75, I just got to this site by typing it ("www.gamespot.com") into my Start screen. 

 

I don't see how it's an issue of content delivery when again, you can simply unpin the things you don't want on your Start screen. Which, by the way, the point of turning off a Live tile is so that you have quick access to the app without seeing the preview content in the tile. I never said the larger tiles were a necessity, btw, but they are quite aesthetically pleasing (at least to me).

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @Sakirenn  So if you turn the modules off, static or unpinn live tiles then what is the point of keeping it.  Also are you legally blind that you need every icon to be really large and for the start menu to consume %100 of a screen?

 

Win 7- start menu- type control, or devices, or firewall, or an email, or files, or folders, (list goes on) hit enter and your desire opens.

 

Win 8- start menu- type all these things and it will find none, so then you are tasked with a non-intuitive search filter.  

 

I just tested your Win 8 start menu search from my ASUS G75 and no it does not produce any DNS query.  BTW I launch all websites (with exception of a complex /directory path) with a run command.

 

Here is where part of your ignorance lies-  This whole start menu issue was the result of Microsoft marketing department ramming it through so they can unify their brand across all platforms (and get more control of content delivery by default), plain and simple.  If not then they would have simply added a checkbox to revert to the previous start menu.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Windows 8 but until they put the previous start menu back through a windows update then I will not be purchasing a license for my workstation.

 

O and you would not have even one remote clue how to speed up my "work".  Im a pro at this crap, I do this for a living to the tune of $ 115 per hour.  I dont build a computer just for games and then think Im smart because I was able to clean install a new OS like you do son.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus Those modules can be turned off. Live tiles can either be turned into static tiles, or unpinned altogether. So looks like you'd lose money on that one. 

 

As for your above comment about using the mouse for everything, Windows 8 is just as keyboard-friendly. The Windows key still exists, still works the same way. 

 

Same goes for searching: yes, it defaults to apps, but one press of the down arrow gets you to the results from settings, and one more for files.

 

tl;dr It would speed up your "work", but you're too ignorant and jealous to see it. You stay on Windows 7, I'll be cruising along with my sexy, smooth Windows 8.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @Sakirenn You go ahead and enjoy your full screen cumberness, I prefer the start menu to take up only %10 of my screen not %100.  Just wait until your metro start menu is chock full of feeds, modules, plugings, I will bet $$$ it will start hanging bad.

 

Windows Key + type in Win 8 defaults to searching apps only, you have to click different categories to re-target the search.  In Win 7 the app/control panel/file/email/snap-in would already be launched. 

 

As for WAN/LAN shared resources I launch them all from windows key + R or +E.

 

You like Windows 8, well good for you.  As for me it slows my work & that costs me $.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN Here is one, I Never actually click on the start menu with my mouse.  Same goes for launching web pages, local network resources, explorer, applications, shutdown/restart, etc.  If you understood computers like I do, then I shouldn't have had to reiterate that point.  

 

Keep using your mouse to click on Everything rookie, for me its usually a big waste of time.

Sakirenn
Sakirenn

 @joshmonus Ok, let's take your standard computer search, keystroke by keystroke, shall we?

 

Windows 7 - Start button (on keyboard), type your query, maybe a few arrow key presses to get to exactly what you want, enter, done.

 

Windows 8 - Start button, type your query (yes, you can just start typing), maybe a few arrow key presses to get to exactly what you want, done.

 

Oh wait! That's exactly the same process, isn't it? Golly, I heard it was so hard to do. 

 

The key difference, though, is that on Windows 8, you get to search content from EVERYTHING: Your email, any apps you may have installed, even the Internet. You want to Google something, you just hit Start, type your query, click on your browser in the search tab, and voila, one fresh and ridiculously simple Internet search, through the engine of your choosing.

 

Let's see your Windows 7 do that in less time, Mr. Productivity. Again, just because it looks different doesn't mean it doesn't contain the exact same (and even more) functionality. 

 

(By the way, any of that functionality can be hidden from the main screen anytime you don't want it, just while we're on this topic. You never use that "My Computer" link on the Start screen? Right click the sucker and hit "Unpin" and you never have to see it again. On Windows 7, you're stuck with it whether you want it or not. It's things like that, that make me favor Windows 8 a bit more.)

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus If you're going to say I'm pointing in the wrong direction then show me where I'm not pointing. I've regarded your points, if you believe that I've missed some points then tell me which ones.

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @DIGN  If you are going to respond to my comment you should at least read it, first and foremost.  Then try and interpret it with at least some intelligence (we both have a basic understanding of English, Im assuming), finally you may want to structure your response with some actual regard to my points.

DIGN
DIGN

 @joshmonus  @Sakirenn sorry, but if you place your mouse in the top right corner there's a search option.

You say productivity is paramount over appeal then the appeal shouldn't matter only the speed and optimization of the OS and it's assets should matter.

 

Why should it matter if the start menu is replaced by Microsoft it's going to be the same exact thing, That would be like me getting only ATi/AMD factory produced graphics cards and not touching another brand such as MSi or Sapphire.

 

 

joshmonus
joshmonus

 @Sakirenn ' Don't hate on it until you try it'  Ive been running Win 8 on my ASUS ep121 slate since preview release.  

 

IT consultant here, when im in front of a PC 90%+ of my input is via keyboard.  I use the Win 7 start menu as a quick general search while still being able to see what is on the other 85% of my screen.  I run triple monitor so my sessions have plenty of visual real estate.  

 

Windows 8 start menu iteration is cumbersome and slows you down if you work like I do.  Productivity is paramount and always takes precedence over visual appeal.  Won't be purchasing a Win 8 license for my desktop until the previous start menu is coded By Microsoft.