NPD: US game sales slip 7 percent in Sept.

Final summer month's $1.27 billion haul falls just short to Halo 3-boosted '07 sales; 360 sales up 78 percent postprice cut; Force Unleashed, Wii Fit, and Rock Band 2 top games.

September 2007 was a banner month for the US game industry. Halo 3 mania and brisk Wii sales helped boost total US game sales--which include hardware, software, and, accessories--to a massive $1.3 billion for that month, according to figures from industry-research firm The NPD Group.

One year later, the story is slightly different. During September 2008, the game industry didn't deliver quite the same punch as during the same period a year ago, bringing in $1.27 billion for the month.

"This is the first true monthly decline the industry has experienced since March of 2006," said NPD analyst Anita Frazier in a statement disavowing January's slightly skewed figures. "It's important to keep in mind, however, that this month's 7 percent decline is against a month that itself was up 75 percent from the prior September."

On the hardware front, Nintendo took home the gold and silver yet again, with the Wii placing first with 687,000 units sold and the DS second with 536,800 units sold. However, Microsoft's dramatic price reduction of the Xbox 360--the cheapest model is now just $199--paid off in the form of a 78 percent jump in sales volume. The console sold 347,200 units during September, up from just 195,000 in August. That was enough to put it past the PlayStation 3 (234,000 units) and its smaller sibling, the PSP (238,100 units). Xbox 360 sales may further increase once all three models of the 360 are bundled with games later this month.

However, despite the high sales volume, monthly hardware revenue was actually down 9 percent year over year, going from $545.7 million in September to $498.0 million. "Hardware unit sales were flat versus last year, so the decline in dollars is due to lower prices," said Frazier. "The average retail price of hardware across all platforms declined 8 percent from last September."

The lack of a Halo 3-level blockbuster also caused overall software revenues to decline six percent in September, sliding from $656.5 million to $616.1 million. As expected, the big software hit of the month was LucasArts' Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. Three versions of the mildly praised game made it into the top 10, with a total of 1.16 million units: The 360 edition came in first with 610,000 units, followed by the PS3 version (325,000 units) and the Wii iteration (223,000 units).

The only other top 10 newcomer was the 360 edition of Electronic Arts' Mercenaries 2: World in Flames, which came in sixth place with 297,000 copies sold. However, the marginally reviewed game's publisher was well-represented in the top 10, scoring two slots for the 360 (8th, 224,000 units) and PlayStation 2 (10th, 158,000) installments of Madden NFL 09. MTV Games' Rock Band 2, which EA distributes, had a solid debut in third place with 363,000 units. The rhythm-series sequel is due out on the PS3 this month, with PS2 and Wii editions to follow in December.

The rest of the September top 10 game chart belonged entirely to Nintendo. Wii Fit didn't sweat lukewarm reviews, coming in second with 518,000 units despite being on the market since May. One month prior, Mario Kart Wii pulled into stores, but that didn't stop it from a fourth-place finish in September with 353,000 units. Older still is Wii Play, which debuted in February 2007. Despite the fact that the package is simply a Wii Remote packed in with a rudimentary game, NPD still insists on classifying the product as software--software that had a seventh-place finish with 243,000 units sold.

Speaking of classification foibles, NPD continues to not count PC game sales in its monthly video game figures, instead lumping them in with general software figures. However, Frazier took the step of calling out two PC games that launched in September. "Spore realized sales of 406,000 units and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning sold 274,000, which would put them both in the top 10 list of combined console, portable, and PC games sales for the month," she noted. Unfortunately, NPD does not release such a combined top 10 list to the public.

US VIDEO GAMES INDUSTRY - SEPTEMBER 2008
Software: $616.1M (-6%)
Hardware: $498.0M (-9%)
Accessories: $152.6M (-3%)
Total Games: $1.27B (-7%)

TOP-SELLING HARDWARE - SEPTEMBER 2008
Wii--687,000
Nintendo DS--536,800
Xbox 360--347,200
PlayStation Portable--238,100
PlayStation 3--232,400
PlayStation 2--173,500

TOP-SELLING SOFTWARE - SEPTEMBER 2008
Title / Publisher / Units*
1) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (Xbox 360) / LucasArts / 610,000
2) Wii Fit w/ Balance Board (WII) / Nintendo / 518,000
3) Rock Band 2 (Xbox 360) / MTV Games/Electronic Arts / 363,000
4) Mario Kart Wii w/ Wheel (WII) / Nintendo / 353,000
5) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (PS3) / LucasArts / 325,000
6) Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (Xbox 360) / Electronic Arts / 297,000
7) Wii Play w/ Remote (WII) / Nintendo / 243,000
8) Madden NFL 09 (Xbox 360) / Electronic Arts / 224,000
9) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (WII) / LucasArts / 223,000
10) Madden NFL 09 (PS2) / Electronic Arts / 158,000

* Figures include Collector's Editions and non-hardware bundles.

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nintendokid
nintendokid

...and so what if you paid $930 for your XBOX360? Let me ask you this: ? All those intense matches with Halo and Gears over the years, late night with a six-pack poppin' off heads while drunk, smack talking, taking names, WAS IT WORTH ALL THAT MONEY YOU SPENT? That's all I want to know. Because if you truly did have a good time then there is value in your investment, regardless of repairs costs, girlfriends lost, and family events missed. However, if you regret everyday that you could have done something else with that $930, then stop buying video games! Stop coming on here and complaining about all the fun you have and why the world is not perfect and revolving around you! For God's sake!

nintendokid
nintendokid

darkride66: I am so sick and tired of your posts. First of all, the Elite 360 is $399. How much is the PS3? $399. How in the world do you figure that the 360 is a "budget" console? How is the PS3 a "hi-end" entertainment system when it does the same thing 360 does, vice versa? What, are you watching YouTube on PS3? Is that it? Explain to me what you mean when you say that the PS3 isn't for everyone. It's a game system, you power it up, put in a game, and play it. Does it require knowledge of C++? Must you be familiar with Linux? Do you have to know how to add RAM? NO! That is an absurd comment. Sure, it's got Blu-Ray player but that is a media player and it serves the same function as DVD player in a different format. What are the extra features that the PS3 offers because my friend must be doing a good job hiding it. I never see them when I go over to his house. Just who do you think you are? You would recommend a 360 to those who are on a budget?! If someone is on a tight budget you don't send them to Best Buy to get a "budget" console. You send them to Cub Foods to get some groceries! God help us all, PS3 is a high-class product only enjoyed by those who drive Mercedes and trade stocks.

hordaak
hordaak

Regarding if the ps3 will catch up with the xbox360 in sales...um...it will be difficult. If the xbox has a 5 million system lead over the ps3, and the ps3 outsells the xbox by say 1 million a year, then it will take 5 years to catch up (2013). By then, the new systems will have been out and all the hardcore gamers will have switched over. A sony fanboy will tap someone on the shoulder and say "ahem...the ps3 has caught up in sales. What do you have to say about that?". And then an XBOT will say "Hey...I heard about that..it's great!!! um...when is HOME comming out?" XBOX 360...FIGHT THE RECESSION..BUY AMERICAN BABY!!! Brought to you by xbots_against_inflation.com

brosim1104
brosim1104

Is there any month that wii play did not finish in the top 10 games...?

Hekynn
Hekynn

Well ya fall/holiday season gaming sales is gonna go through the roof! Look at all the great games thats coming out for PC/PS3/360 :D

Yajarobi
Yajarobi

lets not forget, Holiday season IS coming up. and Year after year, the holiday season gets more rough and rough what with gas prices and prices increasing in general. it may not be that consoles arent "doing there job" but simply that the economy(U.S) is changing. Wii is on top, well, the system may not be the "cheapest" but the hardware and games ARE the cheapest. $50 for well renown games as oppose to $60 on 360 / PS3.

ctg867
ctg867

The 360 pulled in 347k units, a 152k boost from the price drop over August's 195k units (78% increase), though with all honesty I expected more. You finally have the important SKU down to $300 and you can't hit 400k? I'm a little surprised, but it's an improvement none the less over last months numbers. Props to Microsoft. Then the PS3 with 232k units, a 47k boost over August's 185k units (25% increase). There's no real reason why there should be an increase though. Star Wars came out and sold well, the first Mercs was big on PS2, and some Madden fans could of upgraded from PS2, though there's no standout system sellers. It could be the launch of the new 80GB SKU last month as well. In comparison, the 360 had them by a 1.50 to 1 ratio (115k unit difference), which is alright considering the lack of a PS3 price drop or timed exclusive like Rock Band 2. The PSP pulled 238k units, a small 15k slip over last August's 253k units (6% decrease). It's a minuscule amount, but it's probably related to last months Madden PSP bundle coming out and the drought of new games this month. It probably would of dropped more if it wasn't for Lego Batman and Star Wars. Next month expect an increase due to some more releases and the first PSP Brite SKUs coming out. As for software, Star Wars was expected to rake and it did. 360 had 610k units, PS3 had 325k units (1.88 to 1 ratio, 285k difference). This is partially good news for PS3 fans because the 2:1 ratio that was common for multiplatform software hasn't held close enough to be true for Force Unleashed in September. Then Rock Band 2 at 363k units, though I really did expect more with half a month on store shelves. Mercs 2 hit 297k units on 360, with more on PS3. That's good news for the series, hopefully we'll get a more polished sequel.

darkride66
darkride66

drsnobby said "I know this is off topic,but if sony is smart they should bundle the darknight blueray movie with the ps3." Either that or Ironman would probably be another smart one to bundle.

darkride66
darkride66

drsnobby asked "could you explain to me what seems to be the problem with the ps3 falling behind the 360 in U.S sales." Price cut. The 360's price cut caused it to recently spike and jump ahead of the PS3 in sales. Remember, the PS3 isn't for everyone, just like hi-def tv's aren't for everyone. Sony's always marketed the PS3 as more than a games console quite simply because it is. The extra features and Blu-Ray may price the PS3 beyond some people but that's a calculated risk on Sony's part. Just like they make hi end and low end televisions and stereo components they make hi-end and low end entertainment systems with the PS3 and the PS2. It certainly seems to be working for them as their computer entertainment division took an initial planned hit due to the PS3's pricing and r&d and now they're already back in black.

drsnobby
drsnobby

I know this is off topic,but if sony is smart they should bundle the darknight blueray movie with the ps3.that should bring thoses numbers up.hit me with some feedback if you agree or disagree

drsnobby
drsnobby

darkride66 the pulling the plug thing was a suggestion.sony is doing well in the european market and in japan but,could you explain to me what seems to be the problem with the ps3 falling behind the 360 in U.S sales

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

PS2 = $129 360 = $199 Wii = $250 The tide is changing.

darkride66
darkride66

drsnobby said "The question that everyone is asking is,where is HOME?" Sony said at the TGS that it would be out before the end of the year. Many are projecting Nov 14 - to build some good buzz before Christmas. "they need to pull the plug on the ps2." Are you crazy? They need to do no such thing. First off - Sony recently unveiled a new - more compact, cheaper PS2 to push into more Asian markets that simply don't have the disposable income necessary to buy PS3's. Even 8 years PS2 games still crack the top 10 in the US. Why would you kill the goose that laid the golden egg? No one is walking into stores looking for a PS3 and saying "Wait! PS2? And they're so inexpensive! I'm buying this!" No, the PS2 will be with us at least a couple more years, make no mistake about it.

drsnobby
drsnobby

The question that everyone is asking is,where is HOME? sony has to force the issue and push the Ps3 brand.they need to pull the plug on the ps2.it,s doing well but,the main focus needs to be on the ps3.the playstation fans must help push this brand and it will reflect in the NPD numbers

darkride66
darkride66

In addition to my last post, I just wanted to add. I've got nothing against the 360 - I've got one myself and think it's great. It's good at what it does, but I just feel the PS3 is much more well rounded. Doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend a 360 to those on a budget though. If you can't afford a PS3 I'd definitely recommend picking up a 360.

darkride66
darkride66

frazzle00 said "I guess what you don't get is the fact that the Xbox 360 provides all of what the PS3 does, for a much cheaper price and with a much better library of games." Really? Fantastic! When did the 360 add Blu-Ray, free wireless, internet, no-hassle divx playback, the ability to buy movies online without an expiration date, Dolby TrueHD support, free online play for everyone, medical research, news sources, standard harddrives, bring the noise of the console under 60 db, add a controller with a functional d-pad and made the hardware rock solid? I had not heard. They should really be promoting this. While Sony did have to lower their forecasts for the first year, the PS3 is certainly looking to hit their shipment expectations this year - and it's been releasing quality titles just as fast as the 360 did. Remember, the 360 had a pretty paltry lineup of games for the first year, then kicked it into gear year 2, just like the PS3 has done. Yeah the PS3 doesn't have the library the 360 does, but there's enough titles their with a metacritic score of 70+ to keep gamers busy for over 2 years. Unless you plan on going back and playing games from 2-3 years ago on your 360, there's really not much that separates the libraries at this point. If you're just a gamer, the 360 is your choice - obviously. If you're a gamer who doesn't mind spending a little bit more money to get more than just another games console, you want a hi-def heart to your home theater system while not having to worry about subscription fees to play 100% of your games as the developers intended them to be played or worry that your system is going to be the 1 in 1in10 consoles that's going to die on you in 6 months - the PS3 is your obvious system of choice. Bottom line.

wwonka666
wwonka666

Bottom line if you can have only one console(I have all three) you should get a 360. It's the true gamers system right now.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@darkride66 I guess what you don't get is the fact that the Xbox 360 provides all of what the PS3 does, for a much cheaper price and with a much better library of games. Consumers have obviously gotten that point and this is reflected by the fact that Sony's marketshare is roughly a quarter of what it was last generation. You can spin it any way you like, but I honestly doubt that Sony are all that happy with the way the PS3 has performed.

jsmoke03
jsmoke03

i wonder if ps3 will start getting a lot more unit sales with resistance 2 and lbp? i think its going to be marginal. i think killzone 2 or a AAA exclusive rpg will pull ps3 up...congrats microsoft...

darkride66
darkride66

BlackDragon110 said "I think they were so intent on making it an "all-in-one media device", that they lost sight of the fact that it was main job was to play video games." I couldn't disagree more. I didn't want just another games console, I wanted a hi-def centerpiece for my home theater system that just happened to play kick ass games. That's what Sony delivered. They never once marketed the PS3 as just another game console, because it's not. Why are so many confused about that? And it obviously isn't hurting sales because sales are up 94% year over year in the US and they're just below 16 million consoles in far less time than it took the 360 to hit that mark with a less expensive system. Clearly consumers get it, even if the posters on Gamespot do not.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@BlackDragon110 So what you're telling me is that as a gaming console, the PS3 has not been a success because Sony couldn't be bothered listening to what us gamers want. If that's the case then I agree with you. And as for the HD format wars, well the Blu-Ray victory is really not much of a victory. DVDs still have a stranglehold on the home movie market, and it honestly doesn't look like Blu-Ray will be taking over any time soon. Remember how long it took the DVD format to replace VHS. I wouldn't be surprised to see the PS4, Wii HD and the next Xbox by the Blu-Ray is the movie format of choice, in which case, Sony didn't really need to involve us gamers in its quest for dominance in this particular market.

BlackDragon110
BlackDragon110

@frazzle00 Well to answer the first question. The PS3's price point was their biggest reason why they lost so much of video game market share. I think they were so intent on making it an "all-in-one media device", that they lost sight of the fact that it was main job was to play video games. And so they started piling on things into the PS3 that honestly wasn't really need (any body remember the dvd burner that was once part of the PS3's specs?) The PS3's intinal price point was $1,000 but after hearing complants from gamers, Sony dropped the price. Of course it was a huge lost in profit seeing as how they were selling it for less than it cost them to make. Even with the price drop, the PS3 was still cost more than twice the price of the 360. And so after going through several different SKUs to try and lower the price of the PS3, it's still the most expensive of the next-gen systems. The PS3's price point is braking it's back right now. Now as for the second question, the PS3 is a success in that it helped establish Sony's Blu-Ray format. If it had not been for the PS3's Blu-Ray drive, Blu-Ray may not have won out the format war with HD-DVD. Seriously before the PS3 stand alone Blu-Ray players were almost non-exist in homes.

darkride66
darkride66

Yuck_Too said "The numbers are what the numbers are." Yep, and how do the worldwide numbers look since the PS3 pulled ahead of the 360 last November? Almost a year later the PS3 has sold 10.4 million vs the 360's 8.8 million. The numbers are what the numbers are. And you say my statements make me look foolish. So far you haven't proven me...wrong...once. Edit: At least not today. :)

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

The numbers are what the numbers are Based off VGChartz Worldwide in the last 22-months: PS3 has sold 15.9 Million 360 has sold 16.1 Million Wii has sold 33.4 Million

frazzle00
frazzle00

@darkride66 Yes this year has been close in terms of sales, between the 360 and the PS3. That's not the issue. The issue is that Sony has lost a huge amount of its marketshare with the PS3. Why is that? In what way has the PS3 been a success for Sony?

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

--darkride66-- "Even Yuck_too admits that the PS3 and 360 are dead even in the US so far this year - then he argues it like that's some sort of huge defeat for the PS3. This is ridiculous." ~~~ Huh?...show me once where I have ever said that the PS3 is suffering a huge defeat. Don't get upset cause you're looking foolish with your statements. The fact of the matter is you do twist the numbers in some silly attempt to make the PS3 look better then it currently is...which is holding dead even with the 360 sales. Say what you like but we both know you've lost this argument because you are simply wrong as proven over and over again. But feel free to once again compare this years PS3 numbers with last years 360 numbers. Maybe if you say it enough you'll convince yourself.

darkride66
darkride66

Yuck_Too said "The only person thus far to have called the PS3 a failure was darkride in reference to some other comment." Let's have a look, shall we. VirtuaCast said "The PS3 compared to it's successful predecessor (1# king of consoles)it is a dismail failure. " thetravman said "Sony is just keeping it up to try cover the failure of Ps3." Sins-of-Mosin said "people are buying it for the movies and not the games. A lot of data shows this." Makaatsu said "PS3 needs a miracle now." bluepuppy82 said "this article is about U.S sales. And the 360 beat the PS3 hands down. Thats what matters." racastro65 said "Sony is struggling, this was suppose to be the year the would catch up with the 360, but no." grognard said "The continued weakness of PS3 software sales has to be discouraging for Sony and third-parties." This is what I've been responding too, it's this kind negativity that isn't supported by actual data. I'm not just picking fights because I'm some sort of Sony freak - I argue because this type of ignorance can be easily disproved by just pointing out legitimate sales figures. If people were making the same baseless claims about the Wii or the 360, I'm take issue with that as well...but month after month, no matter what the NPD results say these forums erupt into an orgy of "Everyone bash Sony!" It's idiotic when you look at the numbers. Even Yuck_too admits that the PS3 and 360 are dead even in the US so far this year - then he argues it like that's some sort of huge defeat for the PS3. This is ridiculous.

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus said "Yeah dark I gotta say you do more twisting of the numbers then most." How is it twisting? I just present the numbers. Here there are. They speak for themselves. No twisting necessary. "LIkes like an emo kid saying he hates scene kids...they are the same thing!" I don't even know what that means.

blackace
blackace

Autolycus unless everyone had a PS3 console in their home, given how much Sony hyped the PS3, it will always be considered a failure. When a company talks that much about a system and shows you pre-rendered graphics of a game (kill zone 2) and calls it game play, the world expects A LOT. It's exactly why HALO2 and HALO3 will never live up to HALO1...ALL OVERHYPED, just like Gears of War 1 and 2. *********************************** How did you statements about the PS3 drift into Halo and Geow being overhyped? lol!! None of those games were overhyped. A game that's overhyped doesn't sell over 5 million copies and has scores in the 70's. A game is only overhyped when it fails at what it's trying to accomplish and none of the Halo games or Gears of War failed at all. They accomplished what they set out to do. LAIR, GT5: Prologue, Fable and even DMC4 could be considered overhyped. GT5: Prologue scored worse then Forza 2 and it was hyped at the best racing game in the entire world. LMAO!!

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

--VirtuaCast-- Right I had not said anything about it prior to this for 1 reason; The only person thus far to have called the PS3 a failure was darkride in reference to some other comment. Having said that MY entire point has been exactly this: The PS3 and 360 are doing the exact same in sales for all intents and purposes according to the current numbers. The only other thing I claimed was that since the PS3 was "expected" to mop up the 360 it has not lived up to that, and thus could be viewed as disappointing to investors. That does not make the PS3 a failure, just not as successful as people expected it to be.

PhantomMarvel
PhantomMarvel

I agree VirtuaCast, Xbox 360 all the way...:)

VirtuaCast
VirtuaCast

The PS3 compared to it's successful predecessor (1# king of consoles)it is a dismail failure. The PS3 does not effect the idustry like the ps2 did. The ps3 is selling the least and in last place.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@SWYG "No doubt Gears 2 will sell more copies. That doesn't mean it will sell more systems than LBP. Heck just look at MGS4, it sold about a 3rd as many units as GTA4 and yet it sold more systems. Of course, MGS is a well known franchise that will tip gamers over the fence to buy the console it's on. But it also attracts a different type of hardcore gamer more iterated with Japanese games. Now, about platformers. Yes there aren't as many out as there were in previous gens. But just looking at the sales of each of them they're still popular. Bionic Commando, Mega Man 9 and SMG especially have sold great. Even R&C sold decent past the 1 million mark." Well the 360's sales figures around the time of Halo 3's launch paint a compelling picture. The fact is that exclusives sell consoles (that's why MGS4 pushed PS3 sales, but GTA 4 didn't). Now why did MGS4 push more consoles than Ratchet and Clank, well that's because people like shooters more than they like platformers. And as for Bionic Commando and Mega Man 9, they are as much shooters as they are platformers. Traditional platformers with their collectathons are not as popular as they were a few years ago. LBP fits that bill. Its biggest draw therefore is its multiplayer and its level editor. Using a level editor effectively is something that's time consuming and not readily accessible to casual gamers. I am not saying that this is a bad thing. All I am saying is that there are way more people out there who would prefer to start blowing s**t up as soon as they pick up the controller, than there are people who'd spend a couple of hours on a level editor to build a level they can share online.

Autolycus
Autolycus

Yeah dark I gotta say you do more twisting of the numbers then most. LIkes like an emo kid saying he hates scene kids...they are the same thing!:)

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

darkride said "This isn't about twisting numbers" im just trying to answer your comments, your the one who was talking about how you cant "believe the legths at which other 360 fans will go to twist actual sales numbers", I cant answer your questions if your focus is going to be so erratic. This is all that matters: 1. The ps3 is not a dismal failure. 2. Your the one who brought up twisting numbers. 3. Comparing the same 22 month from launch period requires the accomodation for market growth that i tried to provide. 4. Comparing 22 months from launch is stupid, because all that matters is the numbers now anyway.

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

--darkride66-- Actually dark...all those reasons you just gave...are exactly why you cannot compare different years to each other. You say that the PS3 is selling more then the 360 based off comparative since launch...problem is while you can continually claim the PS3 sold more this year then the 360 did last year fact remains the 360 and PS3 both sold the same amount this year. Next year comes along and once again both consoles sell the same amount but you compare the current year of the PS3 to the previous year of the 360 and say, once again that the PS3 is still selling more. Reality is they are selling a yearly average of same amount, but you would have people believe the PS3 sales are better then the 360. So again I say...the 360 has actually sold more units then the PS3 since the launch of the PS3. Those are the numbers, you can try and explain why, those are still the numbers as of today and everything else is your speculation of the future.

Autolycus
Autolycus

unless everyone had a PS3 console in their home, given how much Sony hyped the PS3, it will always be considered a failure. When a company talks that much about a system and shows you pre-rendered graphics of a game (kill zone 2) and calls it game play, the world expects A LOT. It's exactly why HALO2 and HALO3 will never live up to HALO1...ALL OVERHYPED, just like Gears of War 1 and 2.

Autolycus
Autolycus

And yes I understand what you two are trying to say. But the market growth rate of the system release of 360 is a COMPLETELY different rate of when the world population has already been subjected to what "next gen" actually entails. So PS3's growth rate should be off the charts, compared to 360's starting from launch date of each perspective console.

Autolycus
Autolycus

Am i the only one here that doesn't get why you are guys are choosing to run this data from the start? GO 22 months back, to now. Market growth STARTED with the 360. It was the first next gen system out and therefor should've DECREASED the timeframe (and upped the market growth) of the PS3. There is no way to prove that PS3 is going to own. Period. Look at total sales number RIGHT NOW. Thats the only truth of the whole matter (if you trust the source anyways)

darkride66
darkride66

Grantsplace2004 said " i wouldnt have to twist numbers in order to show a 360 lead over the ps3. But Im not, I dont have to, and there is still a 360 lead." Of course there's a 360 lead. No one is disputing that. What was in dispute is the claim that the PS3 is a dismail failure based on it's sales from launch. When we look back at the 360's sales up to the point the PS3 is at they didn't sell as many as the PS3 did in the same time frame. So it's quite hypocritical to make the claim the PS3 is a failure and the 360 isn't. This isn't about twisting numbers, it's about comparing what two different items sold in a similar time period. Some insisted you look at all 3 years of the 360 vs the 2 years of the PS3, some insisted you should take the first 2 years of the PS3 and compare them only to the last 2 years of the 360. No one was disputing the 360's lead.

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

type it into google, video games industry sales growth 2007. its reasonable to assume that since the industry grew about 43% percent that the ps3 would get a proportional 43% boost (i applied a slightly lower 40%), so the only way to negate that advantage is by applying the same boost to the 360 sales. its not a perfect theory, but its the only logical way to get an apples to apples comparison. Again it would be easier just to compare today's worldwide numbers showing 360 at 21.44 million and ps3 at 15.9 because, as the wii has shown, a truly superior product in the eyes of the consumer can overcome a year headstart, so all these ridiculous comparisons are pointless to begin with. My way is simply showing the necessary steps that are required to make an even apples to apples comparison, whether or not its worth anything.

darkride66
darkride66

@ Grantsplace2004. Facts are verifiable, like sales totals. Where's your industry growth number, how did you arrive at it, how does it factor in general economic growth and increase or decrease in the rate of consumer spending during the specific time frame and where is the economic data that would prove the theory that multiplying sales growth for one console's sales over a specific period of time would equal the expected sales forecasts for a different console at a different date, when sales growth is calculated by the increase in the sales numbers, not the other way around?

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

talk about twisting numbers to get a 360 lead, even if i was a total 360 fanboy who lived and died by microsoft's latest gadget, i wouldnt have to twist numbers in order to show a 360 lead over the ps3. But Im not, I dont have to, and there is still a 360 lead. Id buy a ps3 if it were cheaper even just for the bluray and a couple games, but they wont lower their prices. So, i dont care about which company is better, I dont care who is in lead, I just want to be sure that I've beaten your insane logic into the ground deep enough that it wont rise up again to feast on the brains of unsuspecting gamers. Sorry for the rant, thank you and good night...

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

you cant take two different years of sales that have undergone different amounts of industry growth and call them an apples to apples comparison simply because they have been on the market for the same amount of time. So like i said, you compensate for industry growth using the vgchartz numbers and get a 360 lead of 16.24million to ps3 15.3, or you take the sales up to the current in which its a 360 lead of 21.44million to ps3's 15.9million. Normally i woudnt care about something like consoles sold, but u cant spew "facts" all over the place when your ignoring half the variables.

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

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darkride66
darkride66

Grantsplace2004 said "easily verifiable sales data which is totally ignoring market growth" Dude, that is the market growth! That's what the sales data gives us, market growth, not the other way around.

Grantsplace2004
Grantsplace2004

easily verifiable sales data which is totally ignoring market growth, and i think your numbers are still wrong. i went to vgchartz and compared 96 weeks of console sales, and the numbers were 15.3 and 11.6million. So yes, my ps3 numbers were a little skewed, thats what i get for using wikipedia, but my 11.6million 360s, and the conclusion is still valid. 16.24 million 360s wouldve been sold to ps3's 15.3million. So the ps3 was still lagging behind.

swyg
swyg

@frazzle00 No doubt Gears 2 will sell more copies. That doesn't mean it will sell more systems than LBP. Heck just look at MGS4, it sold about a 3rd as many units as GTA4 and yet it sold more systems. Of course, MGS is a well known franchise that will tip gamers over the fence to buy the console it's on. But it also attracts a different type of hardcore gamer more iterated with Japanese games. Now, about platformers. Yes there aren't as many out as there were in previous gens. But just looking at the sales of each of them they're still popular. Bionic Commando, Mega Man 9 and SMG especially have sold great. Even R&C sold decent past the 1 million mark.

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

Based off VGChartz Worldwide in the last 22-months: PS3 has sold 15.9 Million

360 has sold 16.1 Million

Wii has sold 33.4 Million Draw what ever conclusions you like, but it seems simple enough to me.

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

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