Nintendo open to more HD remakes

Shigeru Miyamoto says high-definition remakes of older games like Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Galaxy are possible for Wii U, but better suited for a development partner.

After releasing The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD last month for Wii U, Nintendo has said it is open to the idea of more high-definition remakes of older Mario games, like 2002's GameCube title Super Mario Sunshine or 2007's Wii game Super Mario Galaxy.

Speaking as part of a roundtable interview attended by GameSpot this week, Mario creator Shigeru Miyamoto said such remakes would not likely be developed internally.

"As for remaking previous games in HD, that's certainly possible, but currently most of our developers are working on making new stuff. HD remakes might however be a good project for a development partner," Miyamoto said through a translator. "So that's something that I hope we have the opportunity to introduce in the future."

No potential development partners for future HD remakes were mentioned. If expanded beyond just Mario-focused games, Nintendo's back catalog of titles is plentiful, spanning games from franchises like Super Mario Strikers, Super Smash Bros., Pilot Wings, Pokemon, The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, Metroid, and Star Fox, among others.

Miyamoto also made clear that if Nintendo did return to an older game for an HD remake, fans should expect more than a simple visual update.

"The main thing that's always going to be on our minds is what new elements of gameplay can we use with the GamePad as applied to some of these older games," he said. "We want to find some way to bring a refreshing experience to this rather than simply update the visuals and leave it at that."

Also, in discussing Super Mario 3D World, Miyamoto said Nintendo has not ruled out returning to the Super Mario Galaxy series--or at least a game in the vein of that platforming series.

"We did not set out trying to define the future of Mario action games with this title," Miyamoto said about Super Mario 3D World. "Rather, we're just trying to find some fun new elements that we can incorporate. So for example, I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of us creating more games in the vein of Super Mario Galaxy, for example. What we're trying to accomplish here, is just to create a really good entry point for new players into the Super Mario 3D games."

The original Super Mario Galaxy was released in 2007, with a sequel arriving in 2010. Super Mario 3D world is the latest Mario 3D platformer and arrives exclusively for Wii U on November 22.

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Lykanthropie
Lykanthropie

Metroid Prime, Zelda TP and SMG would be great as HD Remake, these games already look good, but new HD versions would be nice adds to the WiiU Libary.

pyosisified
pyosisified

Super Mario Sunshine HD would pretty much complete my life

lostn
lostn

The differences are about 5% more than the original in content.

If they charged $40 that's already charging extra, because you're only giving one game instead or 2 or 3.

lostn
lostn

I'll bet they're also open to charging $50 for them.

The HD remakes on PS3 are $40 (usually available for $20 and even less) and you get 3 games, not one.

telaros
telaros

good, start by bringing Metroid 1-3 to Wii U and Star Fox 2 into a full blown Wii U title. You guys had that game COMPLETE up to like 98% or so, just remake that entirely to Wii U.

Mario Sunshine? Good, the Wii U needs a good *Mario* game and that was the best one overall imho.

But seriously, focus more on true sequels and quality games.

inso-maniac
inso-maniac

nintendo is definitely going to work on HD remakes it brings in big money the wii sales increased tremendously because of windwaker HD according to gamespot atleast im more excited to see nintendos next big thing like a new mario galaxy orrrrrr something completely new

inso-maniac
inso-maniac

i want a new mario galaxy, i highly doubt nintendo can add anything significant to the hd remakes. maybe like another world of levels i dont expect anything more. Mario galaxy 3 Let's a Go!!!

Samuz
Samuz

I would definitely pay for a HD remake of Mario Sunshine on the Wii U! Best Mario game since SMB2 on the NES imho.
Please no more Mario Galaxy games with the quirky controls. Bring on Super Mario 3D world, looks great!

Rennik_Repotsir
Rennik_Repotsir

Hmm... Sound like a partner hunt. I guess if you can get 3rd parties to join, might as well make some... :)

HippyTrippy
HippyTrippy

Bands will re-master their old albums, resell them and people do buy them. Most of the time the magic is still there but with a bit of polish. So I'm quite open to Nintendo rekindling old nostalgic video games. Should be a hoot :P  

BradBurns
BradBurns

I agree. 

That is as long as they don't pick the lowest bidder or a group of hobos with a shoestring budget as Konami did for the Silent Hill "HD" Collection.

franzito
franzito

The problem with HD remakes is that, if you have the original game, going for a "second chance with better graphics" wears off faster. Then comes the second problem: you're paying twice for something you have and, unless you're a "HD freak", it feels like waste.

so_hai
so_hai

Remake Stunt Race FX.

19James89
19James89

I get the feeling that 2014 will be the year of the Wii U. 


seriousdave
seriousdave

I'm glad he said they work currently on new stuff. I liked they remakes of Star Fox and Zelda on 3DS but for the WII U they really should come up with something new rather than making HD remakes of games that are still playable thanks to the backwards compability.

Battle_Pants
Battle_Pants

Let's see... Nintendo have Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Zelda, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario.  I'm not saying those are bad games but it is just those kind of games. Sorry but it was a long time ago that Nintendo appealed to me. I'm not a Sony or MS fanboy, i'm a Nintendo hateboy.

Elem187
Elem187

But Sony only uprezzez their game and calls it a remake... That's not a remake, that's a port uprezzed. Doesn't cost them very much... The amount of work that went into Wind Waker HD is considerable, new assets, new effects, new control/touch pad additions, you don't think Nintendo should charge extra money for more development time?

19James89
19James89

@franzito This is the good thing about consumer choice is that you have a choice whether or not you'd buy the HD remake. Also, it's funny how when Sony and Microsoft do this to far more games, nobody bats an eyelid, but when Nintendo does it, widespread criticism is levelled. 


joe_b1_kenobi
joe_b1_kenobi

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That is HILARIOUS!!!!! Have you thought of writing for a living? Because that is pure genius. Its brilliant because there's already one whole game been re-released on wii u. And the article clearly explains that Nintendo are going to focus on making shit loads more hd remakes and nothing else. Man you are one witty guy. Wish i could come up with something like that.

seriousdave
seriousdave

@19James89 Either that or it will be the year the Wii U will put the last nail in  it's coffin, which i really hope won't be the case.

19James89
19James89

@seriousdave I highly doubt they'll create too many HD remakes for the Wii U. There may be two or three maximum.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Battle_Pants

People like you are the reason why "Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Zelda, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario" is all you see because regardless of what other games Nintendo puts out, all you see is "Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Zelda, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario" so why is Nintendo going to invest in something that people are going to ignore when they know hordes of people will pick up and enjoy the next Mario, Zelda and Pokemon? 

Mraou
Mraou

@Battle_Pants You forgot to mention Metroid, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, Kirby -- just to name a few off the top off my head. Nintendo probably have the strongest 1st party line up of games out there.

joe_b1_kenobi
joe_b1_kenobi

Good for you. Your comment is pointless, and factually wrong. But still, good for you. Sorry your soul died "a long time ago". Did somebody dressed as Mario touch you inappropriately?

lostn
lostn

The amount of time needed to make this Wind Waker rerelease is about 5% of the time needed to make a new zelda game from scratch, which is about the price they're charging for it. So no.

lostn
lostn

@Elem187 Think about it this way... If they charged $40 for a Wii U HD remake, that's $140 for 3 games. Sony charges $40 for 3 games. So they're already charging $80 extra money for whatever development time they put in. Secondly, ask someone with an untrained eye, I doubt they will notice the new artwork. The color looks a bit different in some scenes but it's mostly the same artwork. The new changes to gameplay are very small, and make up maybe 1% of the content of the original game. The touch screen controls are a no brainer. You HAVE to do it on any wii u game, remake or not. And it's not that hard to do.


And lastly, you're wrong. Sony never called their games a remake. That's just terminology thrown around by the general public. They only call it HD. You'll never find the word 'remake' in the title. You might find Remaster, but not remake. Wind Waker is no remake either. Remake means discarding everything and starting from ground up.

Horndawgie
Horndawgie

@19James89 @franzito That's because Sony and MS have many other games out. Wii U does not. Trying to make up for lack of support by re-releasing games in HD = fail. It's that simple.

franzito
franzito

@19James89 Well, GoW remakes were launched as a collection, I didn't have them, so, for me, it was a good consumer choice. I think Nintendo's move of launching WW HD remake was a hit and miss in spite of the game's popularity. But it is a 10-year old game when you compare to GoW I and II, that were remaked 4, 5 years after their original launch.

19James89
19James89

@seriousdaveOh why must I have to endure all of these Debbie Downers on a daily basis? The morose beings who try and drag me into darkness akin to the Balrog dragging Gandalf the Grey into the dark pits of the Mines of Moria. But I'm a happy camper and you shall not piss in my tent. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@lostn 

6 months is 5% of how much time it takes to make a Zelda game? So Zelda games take 10 years to make? 

lostn
lostn

@abHS4L88 @lostn I'm not going to equate it to a remake on the order of RE or MGS. They tweaked the game. If adding a sail that makes it more convenient to sail around, and cutting down the boring triforce fetch quest (two things they should have done 11 years ago) is what counts as changing the game mechanics (remember 99% of the rest of the game plays the same), then Sony should just do small tweaks like that and charge $150 for 3 games instead of $40.

They can do as many of these as they want, but I'm not paying $50 for a 11 year old game which to my mother looks identical to the GC game (I showed her screenshots of both). I myself noticed a difference, but I stop short of calling it a massive one. It's still the Wind Waker. When you compare RE on GC against RE on the PS1 though, that's what I would call a proper remake.

You can call it a 'remake' if you want, but that word doesn't appear on the box, and at this point we're only splitting hairs. 

I would pay $50 if it was a ground up remake, but not if any code or assets are retained from the original.  

Keep buying these and Nintendo will realize there's a quicker and easier way of making money than creating brand new games. They'll just re-release, sorry "remake" their back catalogue for you and sell them to you again, charging you full price.

"I'm sure they could've done a complete overhaul of the visuals like they did with Ocarina of Time 3D, but that would've taken up much more time and once again, Windwaker's art style holds up incredibly well so it's not like its visuals need much changing"

I'm going to bet that most of the games they decide to "remake" will not require much changing of the visuals. Which is awfully convenient now isn't it?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@lostn 

If they go in and change the game mechanics in any way or add in new content, then it's considered a remake. It doesn't have to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Windwaker wasn't necessarily a game that needed an improvement of visuals, but look at both side by side and you'll notice a massive difference whereas HD remasters simply look sharper and cleaner, which can be a great difference in itself, but requires far less resources and time to execute, hence why they charge far less for it. 

I'm sure they could've done a complete overhaul of the visuals like they did with Ocarina of Time 3D, but that would've taken up much more time and once again, Windwaker's art style holds up incredibly well so it's not like its visuals need much changing, just cleaning up the textures, improving the lighting (the biggest difference) and improving the colors and bam, you have a remake that to the "untrained eye" could be mistaken for a brand new game on the visuals alone. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Fritzzland @19James89 

I love it whenever someone shows how much they appreciate Nintendo and what they do, others say "Oh Nintendo is God." what kind of stupid statement is that? 

Probably the ONLY time that response would be fitting if the person said something like "Nintendo is amazing! I don't know what I'd be doing with my life had it not been for Nintendo, they basically saved my life and showed me the way!" and I'm sure there are people like that, but 19James89 is not one of them and I agree with him regarding Nintendo, although I disagree that Sony at least is "far worse." I believe they're right under Nintendo in the quality and effort they put out for gamers, one thing I do see them doing above Nintendo is the sheer quantity of games they put out, giving consumers more variety. 

19James89
19James89

@Fritzzland @19James89 Nintendo is a great company, who always releases great products at great price points, it treats its consumer base very well and I don't think it is right, nor fair at the sheer amount of criticism Nintendo gets when Microsoft and Sony are far worse, but because they are trendy are given a free-to-do-as-you-please reward card from their consumer base. 


Fritzzland
Fritzzland

@19James89 Whoa! You defend Nintendo in your posts and you're not a fanboy? OK, so I'm not a real person, just a product of the Internet's imagination

19James89
19James89

@Fritzzland @19James89 @HippyTrippy I'd sooner my money went to an awesome company like Nintendo then to Sony or Microsoft. When I buy Nintendo products I know I'm getting great products at great prices. The same cannot be said for the other two company's.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Horndawgie

Yes, they released ONE HD remake and suddenly they're trying to fill the whole Wii U library with them, my gosh the idiotic things you guys come up with, never mind all of the other new titles that were announced in currently in development, let's just focus on this ONE HD remake. 

19James89
19James89

@Horndawgie @19James89 @franzito Please bear with me, I'll be back in a few hours, I'm just moving the goal posts. 


franzito
franzito

@Horndawgie Wii U do lack library. Most of its games until now are rehashed titles of past glories

19James89
19James89

@seriousdave I'm sure Nintendo will do fine, it probably won't outsell the PS4 or the Xbox One, but it will do well enough to see Nintendo make a profit and aslong as Nintendo makes a profit from the Wii U as a whole then outselling Sony or Microsoft is meaningless. 

The major hitters aren't out in 2014, Mario Kart and SSB are system sellers, then there's games like STXFE and X which will no doubt appeal to Japanese gamers and Western gamers who like crossovers and RPG's. Of course Super Mario 3D World is out next month and it looks amazing. 

There is absolutely no reason for anybody to think that the Wii U will not gather momentum and I think at the end of its lifecycle the Wii U will be more successful than the Gamecube and the Nintendo 64.

seriousdave
seriousdave

@19James89 @seriousdave Don't get me wrong, I really hope nintendo will punch out some greatness like they used to do in the past but looking at the recent history my optimistic thoughts begin to lessen. If they pull off the same thing they've done with the 3DS it will take more than a year until the Wii U will finally pick up the pace. And I fear that, my friend might be too late.