New Xbox 360 boxes omit Pro - Report

Photos of new packaging bolster rumors that Microsoft is phasing out its 60GB mid-range console sometime in the near future.

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In late June, tech and gaming news site Ars Technica reported that a cheaper 120GB slimline PlayStation 3 would be introduced in the fall. With Sony apparently preparing for such a move, it looks like Microsoft is prepping its countermove, also predicted by Ars Technica's mole.

Today, gaming blog Kotaku received a photo (pictured) from a retail source purporting to show the new packaging of the hard-drive-less, $199 Xbox 360 Arcade. Unlike the boxes of models shipped earlier this year, the box omits any mention of the 60GB Xbox 360 Pro, currently priced at $299.99. According to Ars Technica's mole, Microsoft's plan is to phase out the Pro and then reduce the price of the $399 120GB Xbox 360 Elite to either $349 or $299. If the box shot is accurate, Microsoft will be cutting its costs by no longer bundling the Elite with a component video or HDMI cable, as it does now.

When asked for comment about the Pro's potential disappearance, a Microsoft rep gave the following statement: "We've made no such announcements and are working with our retail partners to ensure they have the right inventory of consoles to meet the needs of their customers." However, with the launch of the Xbox Live Games on Demand store less than a week away, offering consumers more hard drive space at a lower price would make business sense.

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Gornax
Gornax

I thought u would get some accessories if u got different achievements in the games....

Rapol12
Rapol12

punkdsk8erdude Posted Aug 9, 2009 5:11 am GMT "its a similar concept w/ DLC for games. are we gettin ripped off? do Devs hold content out of the final game so they can release it for more money?" @ thenephariouson Absoloutely! The best demonstration of this would be the PS3 Blu Ray 50gb Storage capacity, whereby a majority of PS3 games released also contain exactly the same content as the 360 counterpart (around 9gb), so you gotta think, why not simply place all the additional content on the remaining 41gb of space they have left, in my view this would truly justify owning a PS3 over a 360, it would also surely be an 'ACE' for sony as the additional content would not have to be purchased as an additional 'DL' for yet more additional cost. It can happen but if it happens is gonna be "locked" until you buy it in the store, the good thing is that you dont need to download it cuz is in the cd already but locked.

Rapol12
Rapol12

Ppl EBAY!!! Dont buy the 120 Gb in Gamestop...I bought one 120 gb with the transfer cable For only 70 with shipping. Be smart.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

punkdsk8erdude Posted Aug 9, 2009 8:38 pm GMT "I'll tell you, if a dev gave out DLC for free, so many people would love that company so much more" This is one of the reasons VALVe, is my favourite Developer. Many devs see DL content as a license to print money, an example of this would be RE5, whereby CAPCOM had the cheek to ask for an additional game mode via DL whereas VALVE simply gave us the 'Survival Pack' (L4D) for free. They should'nt bite the hands that feed them.

punkdsk8erdude
punkdsk8erdude

I'll tell you, if a dev gave out DLC for free, so many people would love that company so much more. Like namco bandai with tekken 6. they don't have plans for DLC but harada said if they ever come out with it it will be for free. that gives me more reason to buy Tekken 6 right away because i have the comfort knowing i won't have to wait for another special edition released 6 months later with all additional content, for the same price i wouldve paid for it on the day of release. follow? iknow i can get it the day it comes out, and if any content is released, i can just click DL and thats it. If they do rerelease the game with all the extra content in the future, that's fine, because either way i'll still have it, for the same 60$ price tag it was originally.

punkdsk8erdude
punkdsk8erdude

@azureblade89 I am a bit bitter, wouldn't you be if you got ripped off? I mean, I know complaining won't do anything I just wish that something would be done to change it. And the 150$ hdd is a rip off too. You can buy a terrabyte PC hdd nowadays for 100 bucks. Let us use those harddrives then at least, or something. And I did say that it's great for those who don't already own a 360 that they are getting such a great deal. But I think it's just unfair for us to have had to pay so much more for so much less because we want it when it first comes out. And on another note - take SW:The force Unleashed. All that DLC. Now they are releasing more. Thats cool because they game was over pretty quickly. But all that content shouldve been in it from the beginning...or the other 'characters' shouldve been DLC for free because its just a skin on the same character. It really adds nothing except nostalgia. And the extra one level...for a full 10 bucks? ridiculous. Now they are releasing even more - of which you can't get the full story unless you REBUY the game when they rerelease the disc with all the extra content. I mean come on, that's just a spit in our face. Why not release all that stuff on the disc from the beginning? Its ridiculous. Or at least give us all the DLC for free.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

punkdsk8erdude Posted Aug 9, 2009 5:11 am GMT "its a similar concept w/ DLC for games. are we gettin ripped off? do Devs hold content out of the final game so they can release it for more money?" Absoloutely! The best demonstration of this would be the PS3 Blu Ray 50gb Storage capacity, whereby a majority of PS3 games released also contain exactly the same content as the 360 counterpart (around 9gb), so you gotta think, why not simply place all the additional content on the remaining 41gb of space they have left, in my view this would truly justify owning a PS3 over a 360, it would also surely be an 'ACE' for sony as the additional content would not have to be purchased as an additional 'DL' for yet more additional cost.

azureblade89
azureblade89

@punkdsk8erdude So let me get this straight, you're complaining because you've already had a 360 since the beginning, and people just now getting it (3 years later) are getting a better deal? It just sounds like you're bitter. Yes, shell out the $150 for the hard drive, why? because the 360 will be here for a long time, if they add anything, it'll be another larger hard drive space, so if you want to wait for that; don't complain about not being able to download things.

Uga_ruga
Uga_ruga

@ punkdsk8erdude I totally feel where you are coming from. I to feel like it is a rip off. Why do this to loyal customers, knowing that they are going to get the dlc and milk them out of their hard earned money? It's just not right. I too feel as though devs purposely take out some content and sell it later to add on.

punkdsk8erdude
punkdsk8erdude

its a similar concept w/ DLC for games. are we gettin ripped off? do Devs hold content out of the final game so they can release it for more money? you do realize after buyin all content for a game it usually adds to like 90 bucks for a game. a single game. i feel totally ripped off. if you bought the game, and they didnt finish it, and they had more to add to it, then its ok if they didnt have it ready for the release of the disc, but if we bought the game already then give it to us for free! i mean come on, i think we deserve that much.

punkdsk8erdude
punkdsk8erdude

honestly, i hate that they are constantly updating. i mean, its a good thing in one sense because its better for people who dont already own the console, but for those who do, providing upgrades, new version (elite), discounted prices, etc, it makes me feel like i got totally ripped the F off when i bought my original 360 20 gb hdd for 400 bucks. Now i want all this DLC, and i cant, because my HDD doesnt have the space. do i dish out 150 for the 120 gb drive, how long is it gonna last? is the life of 360 gonna be much longer before they come out with another console? do i scrap my current, slower, louder, hotter, older 360 for as much as i can get it and then buy an elite? i mean, its kind of BS. I wish they would focus fully on making the best possible console from the get-go. we never saw 4 different versions of the N64. We had one great system. Sony started this trend with the PS2. Now ninty's doin it with DS, sony with psp and ps3, and M$ w/ 360. i don't like it, because i buy consoles when they first come out. it makes me think, next round, should i wait 3 years into the life of the console to buy one? i mean come on. but i do think the upgrades are great for those who dont have a console yet, or maybe had one that broke. idk. i just feel ripped off.

motherboop
motherboop

Oh wow, it does say Xbox Live is free....lol how didn't we catch that until now?

Black_Kill3r
Black_Kill3r

On the new box it says that xbox live is FREE?

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

They should simply allow DLs to be stored on external sources, this would then give gamers complete flexibility, and therefore making DL's more viable. Although i cant see MS making this available on the current gen, i think that they should seriously consider this on future Generation consoles. My 500gb Seagate drive holds all my DiVX flicks which i can run directly from my 'Video' blade on my 360 without any PC connection, the annoying thing is, i cant use this drive to store DL' content. I absoloutely refuse to purchase a 120gb MS drive knowing that i could get a 1TB drive for the same (if not lower) price.

tony382
tony382

What they need to do is make a bigger HDD and make the price reasonable. 120 gigs for $150 is not cool. I could buy a TB external drive for my PC for $89.99. What they charge is insane.

MagicOneUp
MagicOneUp

yeah wouldn't mind getting the Elite for the same price as the Pro right now. better start saving

cheesytaco69
cheesytaco69

what they really need to do is lower the price of the hard drive...

awardwinner
awardwinner

WTF! i just bought a 60 gb hard drive for nothing.

kavadias1981
kavadias1981

I always laugh when I see peope disagree with my comment when I say "I will buy a 360 when they do a redesign". I'm sorry if that upsets some of you but I will only part with my money when I know that the thing is going to last for a few years, not eat my discs and not be so bloody noisy. Personally I think that is quite reasonable.

Trogeton
Trogeton

Have an xbox360 already I don't care about this new stuff. it's not like this will boost sales, but the new dashboard update that's coming out on the 11th there is a better and longer, most detailed video of it on youtube

Harerazer
Harerazer

Cutting out the HDMI cable is gonna save them what...$2 a system? You can get 6 ft HDMI cables from Amazon for about that price now and I'm sure MS can get better inside deals than we can. The frustration of hunting down the cables and overpaying (Walmart sells them for $25+) will really PO customers. So making the system NOT HD-ready out of the box is gonna make it a better sale? The advantage the PS3 holds over the 360 now is altho it's a bigger price initially, it's waaaay cheaper in the long run. This move doesn't even really save anything so it confuses me totally (like Sony changing the chrome facing on the PS3 to plain grey).

yakkosmurf
yakkosmurf

If they want people to download any significant amount of content, they need to put bigger hard drives in the units. That way they can quit compressing the supposed "HD" video down to a terrible bit rate. I do think the wisdom of Sony's move to make the HDD user replaceable is finally showing. Now, if only Sony had as much good stuff to download...

campbell153
campbell153

WOW.. just because they are spending money on a new box for it to be packed in... i will buy 10! lol There must be better news out there?

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

@andrew_ribbons, Sorry, i think you've misconstruded what i meant by 'Pence to make', i simply meant to say that although an average HDMI cable costs around £5/10 to purchase from a retailer, they would simply cost MS pence due to the volumes which they would purchase. Regarding the AVATAR marketplace, i think MS should at least offer GOLD member privilages on some items, Personally i simply dont see the relevance of such items as i spend 95% of my gaming time playing online games, where AVATARS are simply not used or referenced i any way. Im not having a 'pop' this is simply my own opinion.

okassar
okassar

Ya I agree they should totally include a wireless adapter,that would be pwnage.I'm fine with attaching my router to the 360 though,no biggy. Good that they're thinking price cuts.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

One would think that Microsoft, as much of a PR machine as they are, would strike a deal with Monster brand for HDMI/Component cables. Monster would sell a lot of speaker wire and additional HDMI cables based on a very obvious brand placement (stickers on box, coupons inside for additional cables, because who with a LCD/Plasma has just ONE high end cable??). Then, it is likely Monster would provide the cables for free as an advertising promotion. There goes your cost, Microsoft. Hey Microsoft, need a guy to broker a promo deal for you? ;-)

tawagivercetti
tawagivercetti

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timboutillier
timboutillier

They should include the wireless network adapter. Now that would make it a deal!

andrew_ribbons
andrew_ribbons

Also guys, i think all the grudges against MS exploiting these "Avatar items" really is completely stupid. The simple answer is: Don't buy em if you don't want em. If there are silly people out there that see them as something special, let em get on with it, seriously. I might myself get one or two at the very most. There will inevitably people who get loads and MS will cream profits. But then is that any different from Arcades creaming profits for mere minutes of joy each payment per token? Not really. This is collateral revenues they need to keep going. Every viable and stable business uses them to bolster their efforts. MS still provide us with an excellent online gaming service, a way of keeping in contact with friends and one of the biggest wealths of DLC known to man, save the PC.

andrew_ribbons
andrew_ribbons

"They should also include both HDMI & Component cables, seeing as they cost 'pence' to make." Big assumption and therefore waste in plastic/copper materials however, since most people will already have an HDMI cable kicking around the place, and they don't really cost much more than pence to buy if you need one, just check Ebay or Amazon.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

For me personally, they can shove it! However i am sure these totally useless 'Items' will sell by the bucket load.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

@THE_BIONIC_ARM "300 points for that halo rc warthog prop that everyone is gonna want. over 200 points for skateboard props and over 100 points for clothing combos" I'll choose my next words very carefully..................

THE_BIONIC_ARM
THE_BIONIC_ARM

not only that but some of the prices on the avatar marketplace are rough. ive been able to take part of the update preview and they want over 300 points for that halo rc warthog prop that everyone is gonna want. over 200 points for skateboard props and over 100 points for clothing combos like t shirt and jackets. thats alot of $$$ they stand to make if everyone goes hog wild on those items.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

I've said this numerous times: As MS are focusing on digital distribution (games on demand, etc) which is fair enough, they need to allow the ability to download content to Alternative destinations (external HDD's, Nas's, etc), as ill be damned if they expect me to pay comical prices for a pityfull 120gb MS drive, when you can purchase a 1TB external USB drive & caddy for around the same price. They need to make DL content more appealing and viable. In this scenario MS would only need 2 variants, one with HDD and one without. They should also include both HDMI & Component cables, seeing as they cost 'pence' to make.

THE_BIONIC_ARM
THE_BIONIC_ARM

i can understand not including an hdmi cable but taking out the component cable too? thats just stupid. that makes them no better than sony. any high def gaming system should at least come with component cables. i used to work in home theater for best buy and ive seen the markup on those cables its ridiculous so they cant sit there and say it helps cut costs that much by not including them.

ktseymour
ktseymour

@ Trip, I believe Madcatz Is the one that makes the HDMI converter for the non HDMI 360's? It should be around 20$ now, I believe. I do own one of these and they work great, but If you have a third party cooler on your system you have to take It off or modify It.

TripSe7en
TripSe7en

I really hope they release a $299 Elite! I really want to get one for the HDMI and larger HDD, i hate running so many cables from my media closet and this would help to minimize the clutter and give me a better picture! Now if only the Wii could jump on board!

TheArcade
TheArcade

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atopp399
atopp399

Whoever took the picture needs to learn how to use their camera.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

I would suggest that they give the Arcade SKU's a 20GB HDD, dump the Pro, and drop the price of the Elite. An HDD should have been included in every 360 since the start. Microsoft sells it as "choice," but it's really just a way for them to make extra money when those people decide to get an HDD and have to pay for the overpriced HDD's. I suppose it was a good business move since Arcades seem to sell pretty well.

Dav_id83
Dav_id83

Great just as I buy a 60GB model they go and plan to maybe release the Elites at the same price and probablt Jasper models too as mine is a Falcon, Dosn't matter anyway I install my games I am playing to the HDD and the less noise from the DVD-ROM is great plus should make the console last longer (crosses fingers, toes for good luck).

grillepain_man
grillepain_man

The only important thing here is that MS drop the price of the xbox 360 120 gig, which is totally ridiculous! We talk about piracy by the common people all the time...what about Super OverPricing? Isn't that piracy by the Corporation themselves towards their clients? I LOVE my X, but sometimes, MS just doesn't make any sence...(just VISTA is a pretty good example...) anyways, gotta go to work...

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

"Microsoft rep gave the following statement" i thought microsoft doesn't comment on rumours or speculation.

motherboop
motherboop

@mayceV You're right, after looking closer at the diagram, the cable does seem to have a faint ring around it. I believe this is a fault of whoever did the box art though, as they probably just wanted the image to appear a little better. The things that throw me off is 1) No mention of Component/HDMI anywhere on the box 2) The component Tri-cord image has been replaced with a single cord I really do hope the picture is misleading and they throw in the correct wires. I've got a PS3, and would love to experience the 360 once they produce the Elite's with Jasper Chipsets, whether or not they end up throwing in an HD connection

Irve
Irve

bogus .... unless MS are idiots they would keep a higher priced elite with a 250gb or 320gb HDD

fikkel
fikkel

@Mike_Labeckio If they start doing that, you might as well buy a pc. They are already modular. And what will stop them from asking you to buy these new upgrades, say RAM or a GPU to play the latest games. Thats why i love consoles. You don't have to upgrade it to play the latest games.

kavadias1981
kavadias1981

I'm still waiting on a 360 redesign myself. Once that happens it can take pride of place next to my PS3 and Wii.

mayceV
mayceV

@motherboop under closer inspection the 2 Icons are diffrent its hardly visible but the elite has 2 sets of rings so.... maybe they kept component.