New Evolution Type Revealed for Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Game Freak has detailed the new Pokemon form that will be in the upcoming remakes of Ruby and Sapphire.

We now have official information about the new type of Pokemon evolution in the upcoming Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby games. It's called Primal Reversion and it makes the two legendary Pokemon from the games' covers, Groudon and Kyogre, even larger and more fearsome.

Developer Game Freak revealed the new forms on its website today and provided some information about Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre. Primal Reversion involves the two Pokemon seizing some of the natural energy around them and using it to transform into the forms they had during ancient times.

According to the developer: "It was a primal age, early in the world’s history. The natural world was overflowing with energy. That energy granted Groudon and Kyogre an overwhelming power. Brimming with the overwhelming power granted to them by nature’s energy, their transformation was named 'Primal Reversion' by later people. And the people called their tormentors Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre."

With this announcement, Game Freak also confirmed that the Pokemon on the covers are, indeed, the Primal forms of the two legendaries.

Through Primal Reversion, Groudon and Kyogre gain even more power and grow significantly larger. Groudon's Attack stat increases, and it becomes a Fire Type pokemon. Its special Ability changes. Kyogre's Special Attack stat increases, and its special Ability changes, too. However, Game Freak is keeping the details of the Ability improvements a secret at this time.

Nintendo announced Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire last month. They are remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, but they are described as "fresh takes" on the originals. They are due out on November 21 for the 3DS.

Alex Newhouse is an editorial intern at GameSpot, and you can follow him on Twitter @alexbnewhouse
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89 comments
g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

Making dinosaur pokemon, bad medicine.

sdinh225
sdinh225

They should skip the next generation remake and work on a "Chaos Emerald" remake instead.

mkdms14
mkdms14

OMG you just told us what many of us already knew.  The Fire's Legendary type is fire and the water's Legendary type is water.  How did you find this out I demand to know how you guys found this out.

Karlinel
Karlinel

"Pokemon" and "fresh take", in the same sentence, without irony?

Hmmmm

Bowser05
Bowser05

Are these working like Mega Evolutions though? Or are they permanent evolutions?

sakaixx
sakaixx

I'm waiting for a pokemon game where you can catch all pokemon listed cause I hate trading pokemons, it's a hassle

tony56723
tony56723

Just a couple more months....So pumped!

rcorrall
rcorrall

I wonder if this means we'll get Primal versions of other legendaries as well. I'm sure Rayquaza will get one, but I'd love to see a Primal Lugia.

fgjnfgh
fgjnfgh

limited edition Amiibo Groudon and Kyogre NOW!

Leeric420
Leeric420

Give me a skyrim like pokemon game...

jessie82
jessie82

still waiting for that elusive all region game..

nini200
nini200

I want to see Jigglypuff's Mega Evolution/Primal Reversion. Make it Happen Nintendo.  Pokemopolis Ancient Jigglypuff, Here I come :D

jjnetzach
jjnetzach

Not quite sure how this will differ from the mega evolution in X/Y but I like the design aspects of it! Groudon needs more love. Gamefreak, take my money pls.

gameroutlawzz
gameroutlawzz

I just want a full-fledged pokemon RPG for Wii U where I can create my own trainer,explore a vast world,forest,jungles,volcano terrains, seas etc and capture wild pokemons,level them up,progress through different towns defeating other trainers while escaping from Team Rockets (if those still exists) and have a online features where I can fight other players trainers etc. I havent played a Pokemon game since Blue back on GBC and  Stadium on N64 but nowTHAT would make me get back into pokemon. I dont care about handhelds at all.  ANd I wouldnt mind about the game being a Turn-based RPG like the GB/3DS/Pokemon Stadium versions are.

Printul_Noptii
Printul_Noptii

havent touched a Pokemon game since Red waaaaay back in 1998 do people still play those ? :D

abhiram7696
abhiram7696

fire type hmm.

wanna play this on wii u so bad


GH05T-666
GH05T-666

I hope Rayquaza gets a Primal reversion as well. he is one of my favourite Pokemon!

earthshaker1213
earthshaker1213

@mkdms14 Groudon wasn't initially a fire type. He's only a ground type in his normal form. Know your facts before posting any comments/claims.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@Karlinel Because it isn't like almost every game franchise doesn't follow that same philosophy, right?  I mean, you obviously must think that every CoD game revolutionizes the gaming world, right?  

Bellum_Sacrum
Bellum_Sacrum

@Karlinel GEN VI rules and movesets on a GEN III game means there're going to be tons of changes. It's only logical.

manbaku
manbaku

@jessie82 It wouldn't make any sense from a gameplay standpoint. By the end of a single region your team would be LV.70.


That's why they have stuff like battle frontier and online play.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@jjnetzach I'm not too worried about it either way.  Previous things like Form changes weren't exactly hugely different from Mega Evos, and I didn't see too many people up in arms about it then, so either way, I'm with you, just excited to see both Groudon and Kyogre get more love.

ArabrockermanX
ArabrockermanX

@gameroutlawzz I haven't played since Silver version and I completely agree with you... Considering the weak sells of the Wii U this would greatly help it and it would also help Pokemon regain popularity with its older fans. Also needs to be a MMORPG with a single player campaign(like the one you described). Let the single player be where you find legendary Pokemon.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@gameroutlawzz I've mentioned this before on this article, but Nintendo has been there, done that.  They tried a console release when they tried Colosseum and XD, Gale of Darkness.  Combined, those games sold fewer copies than their worst handheld release ever did (less than 3.5 million combined for the gamecube games, approximately 3.85 million for Crystal version, the worst handheld entry by the numbers).  So why would Nintendo/Gamefreak do that?  Don't fix what ain't broke. 

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@Darth_Aloysius Fun story.  Primal Dialga from the Mystery Dungeon games was really "Primal" Dialga. The actual translation over from the Japanese got screwed up, because the actual title of that Dialga was supposed to be "dark," or "evil" Dialga.  

Leeric420
Leeric420

@Printul_Noptii What is weird is their target market aren't 8 years olds like back in 1998....its the 8 year olds from 1998 lol

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@GH05T-666 Don't know why, but for some reason, I'm getting more of a Mega Evolution vibe from Rayquaza.  He's got that same kind of popularity that Mewtwo did, and Mewtwo needs some competition at the Uber level.

MigGui
MigGui

@manbaku @jessie82 do it like ash: when you enter a new region, you have to start over. or make lvls grow slower, somehow when you played silver version your team would arrive at pokemon league before lvl 50, some even below 40.

sirapathetic01
sirapathetic01

@TheGamerPhenom Technically speaking, GameFreak never developed a console version of Pokemon. All of those titles were not developed by them, so it could be different if the makers of Pokemon make Pokemon on the Wii U for example. However, in my opinion, if successful, it would defeat the purpose of the handheld versions' continuing existence, and would therefore hurt the sales of Nintendo's handheld device(s). A Pokemon MMO that can just receive updates? Or a Pokemon game every year or two? The answer is obvious, and I think Nintendo knows the consequences. Not to mention, making an MMO today is VERY difficult. The market is super competitive when it comes to that and it's hard for MMO's to stay afloat for a long time.

Printul_Noptii
Printul_Noptii

@abHS4L88 @Printul_Noptii well I did some top 10 GBA games video for TouTube and I didnt include any Pokemon game and people started to flood comments omg where is Pokemon omg where is Pokemon XD lol really ?

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@ArabrockermanX @TheGamerPhenom @gameroutlawzz Ok, so now we'll go with this argument.  Once again, giving hard facts.  Pokemon Stadium sold approximately 4.5 million units (couldn't find an exact number, was getting different numbers from different places).  So, if we use this argument that, from a sales perspective, which, as an enormous company, Nintendo would be looking at, Stadium successfully outsold one Handheld Pokemon game (Crystal) that has ever been released.  Compared to that time, Nintendo watched their handheld games sell over 23 million units, while the companion console game sold just 4 million units.


So, they gave it another try, this time releasing a Pokemon Stadium at the SAME time, as a major entry in their handheld franchise, and I think you can already guess what happened to the numbers.  Gold and Silver sold over 23 million units, and sit as the number three all time best selling Gameboy/Gameboy Color games, behind only Red/Blue, and Tetris, and became the second best selling entry into the franchise. Meanwhile, guess how many units of Pokemon Stadium 2 were sold.  Just over 2 million. So while their handheld franchise held strong, they watched the console games sales get cut in half.  So now, for the obvious question that follows, why would Nintendo, a company looking to ultimately make a profit, continue to divert resources, to produce a game that has it's player base cut int half from game one to game two, in favor of focusing on the handheld version of the games, that managed to sell upwards of ten times as many units during the same time frame?  The simple answer?  They wouldn't.  


I enjoyed both Stadium, and the Gamecube games that followed, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make sense financially, for Nintendo to risk the integrity of perhaps the best selling franchise of all time, just to "try something new."  I'm not saying I would be against it, but I'm trying to give reasonable arguments as to why it won't ever happen.

MigGui
MigGui

@Bellum_Sacrum @MigGui @manbaku @jessie82 pokemon became increasingly easier to train from game to game JUST to allow your critters to get to lvl 70 by the end of the region. the first pokemon game was so difficult that without the missingno cheat it was a boring grind to get to the league. the second gen had a much weaker league that got way stronger after you collected eight more badges. why didn't that become a staple in the series? it was a pretty good solution. by gen 6, bp points aren't split through all active pokemon, they're multiplied, and you actually have an item that spreads half of those bp for other party pokemon.

if the game returned to its roots, with pooled bp and no exp share, the sense of progression would be there and you could play through all the regions without playing most of them at lvl 100.

and if you could make one huge pokemon game containing two, three or all regions, why would anyone prefer buying "different smaller games" instead? pokemon, as it is now, is a rpg that lasts ten hours and turns into a strategy game instead. why would you not want a 30+ hours game? would you prefer if blizzard split diablo or wow in different smaller games instead of releasing expansions that, well, expand the base game? I wouldn't.

sirapathetic01
sirapathetic01

@TheGamerPhenom Best selling franchise? Wii Sports has both Super Mario and Pokemon beaten, lol.


Not saying Pokemon didn't sell a lot. It did.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@MigGui I feel like I'm repeating myself five hundred times on this article.  I can't say it any clearer than this:  If they were to switch up, and use your philosophy, it would LOSE THEM MONEY!!!  Nintendo is a BUSINESS.  Which means their ultimate goal, is to make MONEY.  You know, the stuff you spend MORE of, if they release MULTIPLE "smaller" games.  If they decided to stuff five games worth of content into every main franchise release, it would mean they would be much slower with releasing the games, meaning the amount of income they would make on the franchise would PLUMMET. They wouldn't see this massive influx in sales that you are thinking they would if they made this one massive game. 


Let's discuss this.  Let's say they made the last two generations, Black/White, and X and Y, into one massive game.  Are you arguing that this one massive game, that would command all of their time developing, would sell the more than 35 MILLION copies that X and Y, Black 2/White 2, and Black/White sold combined?  Of course it wouldn't.  Five games in the entire HISTORY of video games have sold that many units by themselves (Tetris, Wii Sports, Minecraft, SMB, and Mario Kart Wii).  So why would Nintendo cut into their sales, on the hope that their one massive game every three to five years, might come even relatively close, to those kind of numbers?  They wouldn't.  So let's not keep up this dumb argument, shall we?

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@sirapathetic01 Might want to check your facts sir. Go google the best selling video game franchises, and check something as simple as the wiki for it.


Both Pokemon and Mario beat out the Wii simulation sports franchise by some 50 million sales each.  Just saying.

MigGui
MigGui

@TheGamerPhenom @MigGui the argument "they would make less money, so they don't do it" is a pretty cynical one. they are releasing a remake of a gen 3 game now. it won't sell a third of what x/y sold. if they made it a kanto/johto/hoenn game, it would make perfect sense, and drive the sales up. it wouldn't even be much trouble (like three times the work) since most of heart gold/soul silver could make into the game. that would even be an excuse to skip all pokemon from gen 4 to 6 and still make you buy black/white 2 and x/y to get half the existing pokemon.

OR they could do like the sims or diablo or civilization, and release one game with lots of expansions. they're probably releasing another game next year, or the other one, it could be a base game with added expansions, or expansions to the games they've released by now. of course, when gen 7 arrives (it will arrive) it will be a standalone game, so it can sell 12 more million units and keep business going.

OR they could keep doing what they're doing in the 3ds and release a huge, real, extraordinary pokemon game for the wii u. they would sell everything they sell today, they would sell tons of "pokemon: the ultimate challenge" or whatever they name it, and they would even have the chance to sell that useless crap they call a console.

pokemon is a money printer. that doesn't mean they shouldn't treat it better.

jnarsu
jnarsu

@MigGui  "they are releasing a remake of a gen 3 game now. it won't sell a third of what x/y sold." Are you mentally retarded? First off, nearly every gamer and friend of mine in my high school is EXTREMELY excited for this game. Sure, X and Y received a TON of hype, as well as over 4 million purchases within the first 3 days of release. However, I actually think that the new gen 3 remakes are getting even MORE hype, since they have been more highly anticipated by Pokemon fans. Everyone loved RSE. It was probably the best Pokemon game before X and Y came out. However, now they are finally listening to their fans and releasing long awaited remakes of the amazing originals. I think it might even get MORE purchases than X and Y, but definitely not 1/3 as many... :P. Pokemon X and Y was just perfect in almost every way. However, now all those brilliant features such as great new 3d and better graphics, newer pokemon and moves and fairy type, newer abilities and items, gts, wonder trade, mega evolutions, and everything else, is being transferred over to new gen 3 remakes. They are going to be AWESOME! Anyway, back to the topic that you and @TheGamerPhenom were arguing about: a Pokemon game with more than 2 regions would be absolute garbage. First off, the company would lose a lot of money. Think of it like limits in calculus: If you have just one region in a game, it is well rounded like a full circle (pun intended xD) and makes a good amount of money. If you try to cram tons of stuff into one game instead of spreading it out over multiple games, then the quality will go down, or in this analogy, the number of sides will decrease (they won't be infinite either though lol), which will leave more gaps/empty space, which would indicate a decrease in profit and quality. Making a game with multiple regions would also take a much longer time for Nintendo to release. I mean sure, X and Y can provide for days, weeks, even months of fun. But after a while, you may get tired with it and want to play a newer game. If they had more than 2 regions in a single game, they would take longer to make, so you would only have new games, along with the hype for new games, maybe once every few years. Also, what about the level of the pokemon? It would be stupid if you went through a whole region with level 100 pokemon, battling others with level 100s. That would ruin the whole game. However, it would also be aggravating to have to start over with new Pokemon every region, or to have the level up rate be decreased (or the exp rate). Your idea is very ambitious, but some of the key things that I just pointed out are the reasons that Nintendo has never done something like this yet. 

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@MigGui @TheGamerPhenom Apparently my response to this is pending, so I'll just leave it at this until that is not the case.  Be prepared for me to, statement by statement, breakdown this "argument," and hopefully by some miracle of God, make you get what I'm trying to get through your head.  We'll see I suppose.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@jnarsu @MigGui Thank you.  I had a nice, long, drawn out response to him, but apparently Gamespot decided it wasn't appropriate, even though I didn't curse once, or use caps, or try and troll him, or any of their standards for banning posts.  But I fully agree with everything you put out there.

MigGui
MigGui

@TheGamerPhenom @MigGui it's probably pending because of the use of a forbidden word. maybe you should be more polite next time.

btw, how old are you? 12? you act like your opinion is the only one entitled to be "correct", and all other opinions are just plain "wrong" and you must, by all means, change them. I get what you're trying to get through my head, you made your point pretty clear. that doesn't mean the alternatives I gave aren't feasible.

TheGamerPhenom
TheGamerPhenom

@MigGui @TheGamerPhenom You get off on calling someone else a "12 year old," and yet you act all high and mighty about the fact that I might have used a "forbidden" word.  It's an internet forum.  Last I checked, there shouldn't be a limit on what I say.  I started off trying to be reasonable with you, and tried my best not to insult you, but guess what, we are now past that point.  I provided you with quantifiable, STATISTICAL evidence as to why your "idea" was incredibly dim-witted, and not thought out what so ever, and gave you pure NUMBERS as to how wrong you were.  You've never once responded to the facts I, and others on here let us note, have provided you.  If you have decided that resorting to "insults" (and I use the term incredibly lightly, because apparently you even fail at that), is the way to try and discuss this, then I have nothing more to say to you, other than to tell you how incredibly dense you are.