The Netflix guy was kinda pushing of a lot of questions. "You have to ask them, you have to ask Sony, you have to ask Microsoft".... Kinda funny, bad interview...

@Cabal23 I'm not sure what your talking about in your first two sentences, but MS is a powerhouse, I assume they have an eye out for every possibility that may occur and work to come up with as many ways as possible to profit from it. That being said, while Xbox (and moreso with 360) helped pave online into mainstreame gaming (and still does it best) they're entitled to charge, even if they shouldn't. With Sony catching up and offering it's own services, and the Wii offering a rudimentary though usable online experience, neither of which cost extra, MS must know this will either have to be their last gen of charging for online, or time to serioulsy change everything to continue to justify it.

Wow, this guy certainly knows how to be vague when answering questions.

@jpsaply Yes, thank you for doing your homework and not ranting or bashing. I agree with everything you said dude.

@Jpsaply Agreed. I think that you can definitely see a difference in even a 32" HDTV. @Cabal23 You're taking it the wrong way. What I was trying to say is that just because Sony Pictures puts out movies onto XBL, doesn't mean that SCEA or any SCE will be working with M$. That's what I meant when I was talking to Ballz-on-fire.

@Autolycus Yea, I am wrong with the compression part. So sue me. But we were talking about comparison between DVD and Bluray formats. Not HD-DVD discs. If you want to get technical, goggle "Comparison of high definition optical disc formats". First link should bring you to the Wiki site. Nice table there comparing all formats.

@jpsaply Regarding your compression on Blu-Ray, you are flat out WRONG. It uses mpeg4, the EXACT same codec that HD-DVD USES/D as well. No single video source can display uncompressed 1080p video. one second, in 27Megabytes. so 1 minute would be 1.6GB, 1 hour would be 96 GB, guess what you just outfilled even the quad layer Blu-ray media and you didnt even finish the movie ...

@rudolph228 Your theory only works if the company makes a profit. What if Company A and Company B are under Parent Company C. Company A loses money and doesn't make their quarterly goals, and Company B breaks even. You better believe that Parent Company C is affected by the loses of Company A and the lackluster profits of Company C. Companies don't just get to hold stakes in companies and not be affected by their negative or positive profits. T

@solidine It won't matter once the price drops. So in turn it will be worth it. You are talking about one of the biggest companies in the world. Do you think they haven't considered that?

@cl0ud @rudolph228 Just to elaborate on rudolph228 coments about the comparison of DVD and Blu-ray. DVD format is compressed so tight to get all the information in such a small space (average 12 gigs), that inturn it has to lose some of its visual and sound quality. Bluray, however doesnt need much and sometimes no compression, therefore not having to suffer any visual and sound quality. Bluray can hold about 50 gigs of content. What about downloaded digital HD movies? They actually are compressed when leaving the server and then uncompressed when coming to your PS3, 360, PC, and devices alike. You do lose some quality, but still better then a DVD, but not always as good as coming directly from a bluray disc. Cloud, the reason you dont see a difference on your laptop, is because you are looking at a small screen. Its hard to see the difference. As Rudolph228 said, there will be a much larger difference on a HDTV. I have a 42" HDTV and for its first year I didnt have any HD players. When I bought the PS3 for its bluray functionality, its like the difference from night to day.

@jpsaply I did own both. Then I found out the PS3 was better. Then I didn't renew my XBL gold membership because I thought(Think it's a waste of money and time). The my well taken care of 3fixme RRODed 2wice. My 3rd console I thought was wasted space so I got rid of it. And now after seeing 360's new releases I know I made the better choice. PS3 is what a game console should be. And Netflix is just another addition to the robust puzzle. TREY 4 LIFE!

@Cl0ud The reason why Bluray is such a huge hit is because they are different from DVD's. They hold almost four times the amount of information that a DVD would hold. In turn, they can get better looking pictures, gameplay, and videos. I haven't heard of any other company, aside from Toshiba, doing a Bluray drive. I might be mistaking it with a Bluray Burner already built in. Either way, the quality of movies, games, and pictures on a Bluray is because of the amount of portable space that is available. I thought it was all a hype myself, until I got my PS3 and an HDTV. I'll say that it is probably one of the most advanced and beautiful forms of entertainment out there. I see where you're coming from with digital copies. They're sometimes cheaper and more convenient. Just give Bluray a try with a high quality HDTV. Once you go to that quality, it'll be hard to go back to standard digital.

Oh so the disc thing is just a "work around" until they get the XMB firmware update. Good. One more thing the 360 fanbots cant crow about "Oh WE only need to press a button, you have to put in a disc" I see their lips move, but all I hear is blah blah blah XD PS3 FOREVER!!!! (well until the PS4 comes out)

I get the feeling the people that knock one console over the other, does not own both consoles. I, however do. They both have there strong points and there weak points. I am glad to see PS3 getting some great features, however there PSN store still needs work. The 360 has a great interface, but its weak point lacks HD bluray player. Some might say, "You Gold Live subscribers have to pay $50 a year." Well let me break it down for you. $50 divided by 12 months is $4.16 per month. Ouch! I dont think I can aford that. Give me a break people.

oh that's one less thing 360s users can try to use to say XBL is better. PSN gets better all the time and it's still free, amazing!

I don't have a Netflix account, but it's a nice option. However, what the PS3 really needs is a form of "party chat" and PS2 backwards compatibility and it will easily be the best console in my book. But until then...

Why do you need the disc? That seems like an odd way to go about it. Having said that, while I still don't like the PS3's online in comparison to 360's, the 360 won't be able to justify it's price forever.

"We just think they're both great platforms." If only more people were like this

Damnedapples pretty much sums up the situation quite nicely. But no matter how many times guys like us try to point out this fact.....vast sums of fanboys on here continue to think their console's company is made of gold and "cares" about them as gamers. Gimme a break. A gaming console is no different than any other electronic entertainment device. Get the one that suits you best, and stop acting like choosing one over the other somehow imparts some kind of magical karmic gift upon you.

I'm not waiting my time with Netflix. I usually just go to the movies and watch it on the big screen. I could care less about streaming movies, especially over the internet. If you have a bad connection it completely ruins the viewing.

Now if only Canada would get a similar service... Not necessarily Netflix, but SOMEbody.

vf21x: It sucks for people who are just paying for Gold for Netflix (why? At that rate they could just get one of those standalone players for $100 if they want to watch on TV instead of PC) But since I'm already paying for LIVE, it's not something that matters to me.

i preordered my bluray disc but i also have it on 360 XD

@DamnedApples EXACTLY

a disc...hahahahaha...!!

FFS...all the fan-boys suckling on their console's teets. Let me put this nice and simple. Your living under one of the grandest self-delusions--one dwarfed only by your exceedingly massive egos and dogmatic loyalty--if you actually think that MS, Sony, or Nintendo give a **** about any of you or your disdain for other consoles. They'd all work together and screw over all their "fans" in an instant if it mean increased annual profits. Maybe that's greed--maybe it's not, but it's the way it works. Here's what the companies all see YOU as...now put on your REALITY goggles $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BTW you're only one of those figures.

@ChoadS Wish I had $40 on hand...

@parrot_of_adun Check out PlayOn for Hulu it works with the PS3 and 360. http://www.themediamall.com/playon/ I use it all the time.

@ResidentEvil777 I guess if thats copy then MS is coping sony with blu ray

@ChoadS If it were '95 we'd be using like 150 diskettes. Anyway, now if Hulu would only do something like this...

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Is it 1995? A disk? I would love to use my PS3 to access Netflix but if I have to change out the disk every time then I'm just going to use my 360.

nice way to copy the 360..

"better", "superior" - these are subjective terms. PSN vs. XBL is a personal battle fought within your own mind and bound by your personal preferences, life-style, and resources. You cannot say one is truly "better" than the other to another person because it is only "better" to you or to a specific situation. Lag differs depending on where you are located, the time of day you are playing, the game you are playing, the service you are playing on, the people you are playing with/against, the servers you've connected to, the status of the ISP network... among many other things. Don't blame lag on the service. There are too many factors to generalize the root cause to either PSN or XBL (in nearly all cases). Both companies are competing, but they are also partially working towards a common goal -- gaming industry growth. _

@power-fantastic Agreed.

@Ballz_on_fire: Sony and Microsoft don't work together. That's ridiculous. Bluray is exclusively on Sony equipment. It wasn't until recently that they struck a deal with Toshiba in order to put them in other laptops besides their own. I do have to say that Sony Pictures, though it bears the name Sony, is a sister company. It's not the same as SCEA. Here's a live example...Seaworld is now owned by Blackstone Group (an investment firm). The same company, BG, owns over 50% of Universal Studios. Does that mean that what Seaworld does affects Universal? No. It works independently. The parent company simply takes the profit. Yet still they have the same parent company. All in all, it's about making a steady positive cash flow. If Sony Pictures wants to make money by selling and renting their movies on XBOX Live Marketplace, they can. They're selling licenses to enjoy your movie privately. You don't own the movie, you own the license to view it privately.

@ Toddze You are right about them being competitors. If you believe any different your just naive. Having never owned a 360 I will say that all these people who own and love them can't be wrong. After all its there choice It is ok to pay for their service if you want it. Me personally I would prob pay for PSN if they made us (being a Sony hack). But it is rather nice to have it for free (considering FiOS is $60 DTV is $100.00 (not to mention NFL & NBA packages), Cable is $10 (basic for the kiddies rooms). So hey I choose to pay for cable and DTV as its what I want. *************************************************************************************** Its funny seeing people defend the xbox's honor. I mean 1st the PS3 cost way to much, then it was they don't have enough exclusive titles, then it was their online service doesn't compare but when its all added up the xbox cost as much as an original relase $600 PS3 (probably more when you count up the folks who had to replace their units after the eventual RROD failure), exclusive titles are leaning towards the PS3 and the online is more than likely comparable. Looking at them today it really isn't hard to see which one is the better buy(60 gig luanch day PS3 owner). Also There is no good answer for paying for that broken as crap box after the inevitable 2/3/4/5/6 RROD's you will get. Nothing like a console wars thread to help through a rainy east coast day.

meh netflex its not in the uk anyway

Your right BR is an effort of several companies and M$ was not one of them at the start. MS was involved with HD-DVD with other companies in which it was BR vs. HD-DVD. We know where Hd dvd went.

I assume that this is not available for Croatia cause we still don't have PSN Store. I think I will still have to pretend like I'm US citizen to access PSN Store or this Netafix. It is too much hassle to buy something from the store and I can't imagine how it will be to use Netafix I'll skip this one.

oh and ballz this is my only account, but you wont believe that.

Sony and MS work together in different ways. They're not giving money to the games division if they're using Bluray, and Bluray is far more than a mere Sony device but a conglomerate of different companies including Microsoft. We see Sony Laptops with Windows and Sony Pictures releases on the XboxLive download service, for an example.

Ballz dude you need to grow up and learn some basic economics. Sony and MS are in direct competition. They are competitors, just like anything else in the real world from fast food chains, to grocery stores. They are in competition for our business.

Netflix straight from the XMB would be awesome.

Different accounts same person. Now thats sad... I apologize if I got so much under your skin it's just a video console. My part in this console war... do you hear yourself you take this sh1t way to seriously. Unlike you I'm trying to show to the more normal folks that both 360 and Ps3 are Great consoles. You dish one and make the other look like is the only viable option. Normal peoples choose whatever they like from personal taste not because a kid tells them to on GameSpot. This competition between Microsoft and Sony exist entierly in your head.

PS3 had to wait a year for this. Now all PS3 owners will get it for free and 360 owners will still need to be Gold members. Hopefully MS will play catch up, like Sony just did, and follow Sony's lead by offering this service for free (to Silver members).

netflix is terrible, all the NEW releases are not available to watch? but you can get them in the mail.8 bucks a month for movies that are way outdated is not good. i did the trial and was not impressed. now all i get is come back to netflix.

Ballz_on_fire your always in the news sections defending/promoting your toy, partaking in the console war. So next time dont try to be the better person when you stoop just as low as everyone else. You should take your own advise and go play with your toy.

@ BladeTrinity114 not 100% of players lag on gears of war. however there are tons of players that do..........if you were unaware of the uproar that caused then its not my fault. theres tons of vids on utube about it too, if you think im lying then i dont care, my reply was to someone else, not you.

@ sensfanVone watch the live demo of it.......its so smooth its like playing a single player game. has no-one seen the live demo of MAG?????? what u gonna say its all fake??? guys be real.........onlive is streaming games, you think PS3 cant handle 256 players while the game is run from blu-ray?