NASCAR '14 skipping Xbox One, PS4 because install base is too small

Eutechnyx developer Ed Martin says, "there just isn't enough hardware out there yet to justify the cost of development."

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There aren't enough Xbox One and PlayStation 4 consoles in homes yet to justify the cost of releasing NASCAR '14 for the new platforms from Microsoft and Sony, developer Eutechnyx has explained.

"We took a good, hard look at it, but there just isn’t enough hardware out there yet to justify the cost of development,” Martin told Sports Illustrated's Extra Mustard in a new interview.

Sony has sold 4.2 million PS4s, while Microsoft has shifted more than 3 million Xbox Ones, meaning there are a total of at least 7.2 million next-generation systems out there right now. This compares to at least 160 million combined PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 consoles in the wild currently.

Martin explained that Eutechnyx made up its mind about releasing NASCAR '14 on Xbox 360/PS3 instead of Xbox One/PS4 after hearing from Sony CEO Jim Ryan. The Sony executive said in May that Gran Turismo 6 would be released for PS3--not PS4--because there are 80 million PS3 units in the wild, compared to zero PS4 consoles at the time.

Notably, first-week Gran Turismo 6 sales were down significantly compared to 2010 PS3 game Gran Turismo 5, at least in the UK.

Though the math doesn't add up for Eutechnyx right now to release a NASCAR title on Xbox One or PS4, Martin explained that the studio is open to the idea of bringing the franchise to the new consoles sometime in 2015 or beyond.

"It costs us about $6 million to develop a next-gen version of NASCAR," Martin said. "You have to sell an awful lot of copies in order to meet the development costs, on top of all the licensing. It just doesn’t add up for us right now. We own the rights, and we absolutely have plans, but it won’t be later this year.”

NASCAR '14 launches February 18 for Xbox 360, PS3, and PC published by Dead Island and Saints Row publisher Deep Silver.

Discussion

96 comments
hkymike
hkymike

Lost out money here. Got my PS4 at launch and loving it! Next time go new gen 

Hurvl
Hurvl

Lol, even the mighty Xbox One and PS4 suffers the Wii U-syndrome: not large enough install base to justify game development. Even though it's not for long, it's still something to keep in mind.

xsonicchaos
xsonicchaos

Like one of my favourite classics said: "No, I like to see them drive in circles. Of course I'm here to see a crash!"

e424pd5
e424pd5

How rude of Eutechnyx to have a company name their fan base can't pronounce.

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

Nascar fans are not the type of people to rush out and buy a new console. Priced at $500.00 So they will stick with Xbox 360 priced at $179.99 for the 4GB model. So with 80 Million Xbox 360 and 80 Million PS3's out there. Nascar will sell most on Xbox 360 and then on PS3.


Nascar is a niche racer within the Racing Genre. 

tzolynski
tzolynski

I agree in a way but lets be honest there are so few games out for both systems that you very well could get a lot of sales of a multiplat like this just because of that fact. Look at Tomb Raider... they looked at the facts and said we could make some money here just because these people want to play their new systems but really dont have much to play. If everyone had this attitude then there would be no next gen games.

deadpen
deadpen

What they are saying is all the rednecks haven't upgraded to now gen yet. 


Before the BS crying with spelling errors are sent to my email from here, I'm a guy that lives in the south about 45 mins from a nascar track so yes I know wtf a redneck is and no one likes them.

megakick
megakick

YEP it is waste of time. Not worth buying first gen knowing the issues PS3 and XBOX 360 had.

divinejester
divinejester

Nothing of value was lost this day. While not a big fan of sports games, at least things like Fifa are fun, but Nascar? I get more than I would ever want to play Nascar in the few mini sections in Gran Turismo, to play a full game would induce mass blood loss.

PJthePlayer2
PJthePlayer2

Wow what a loss... I was SO looking forward to playing NASCAR on my Xbox One.  You know, because NASCAR is so much better than Forza.

/SARCASM

PartyGavinParty
PartyGavinParty

Despite all of the "NASCAR SUCKS" comments, there is some serious potential in NASCAR games. Are the rights to NASCAR games owned by sh***y developers or something? NASCAR games used to be fun years and years ago on the Playstation 2. I used to love having to get past a 20/30+ car wreck at Talladega or Daytona. The mini-games were fun. 

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Well derp, licensing "real world" names into games is always going to be about the money and not the quality of the game.

IndremaLover
IndremaLover

One lapse in logic here, owners of the newer-generation might be more likely to purchase a game than a older one about to be phased out.  I own a 360 and a PS4 but would be inclined to invest more in the newer machine.  


Oh... and isn't NASCAR just driving in a circle.....?

ShadowOfKratos
ShadowOfKratos

A ventriloquist once said:

"Look! They're makin' a left turn! Oh they're makin' another left turn! Oh they're makin' another left turn! ..... Next go to commercials, come back in 10 minutes - you ain't gonna miss a f***in' thang'!"

blackothh
blackothh

wtf, how are new games going to be made? it was such a stupid idea to keep supporting the old systems and not force everyone to get upto date hardware, not that they are much of an upgrade, but thats a different discussion for a different thread

KimCheeWarriorX
KimCheeWarriorX

if everyone had this attitude then no games would ever be produced for new gen systems.

untouchables111
untouchables111

someone should tell these people that next to no one is buying copies of games for last gen systems at least at full price.

GIF
GIF

NASCAR sucks anyhow. A bunch of ugly cars driving around in a circle is racing? Uhh no. F1 is the real deal not this junk. I think the interest in the subject matter is the problem not the installed base

lowgman1234
lowgman1234

And the gaming world was set on fire....


Please, keep your shitty racer on last-gen.... Or better yet, don't make it at all - because I don't know anyone that would buy this on any platform.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

This really made me laugh.


Given the mind numbing nature of these NASCARRRRRR!!!! racers I'd say this cowpat of a game will need all the help it can muster!

logangta5
logangta5

First FIFA World Cup and now this... WTF?

Kjranu
Kjranu

Is their game so bad that they have doubts about selling at least 200,000 copies on nex... current-gen consoles that can net $12 million before taxes? 

Pupchu
Pupchu

i miss when Papyrus did these games

diesil
diesil

not enough rednecks have the next gen consoles yet 

Celsius765
Celsius765

i saw this coming yeah ps4 and x1 are in for a slow ride

randomkidlol
randomkidlol

Implying people actually want to buy a nascar game.

neowarrior121
neowarrior121

yea because we are all DYING to go round in circles 200 times -_-, nobody wants this game anyway and if you do you only have a left turning mind 

Hurvl
Hurvl

@divinejester "to play a full game would induce mass blood loss" Then you're playing it the wrong way :P.

rarson
rarson

@PartyGavinParty  

The best NASCAR games ever were the Papyrus sims on PC. Seriously, try playing NASCAR Racing 4, NASCAR Racing 2003, or even NASCAR Racing 2. Heck, even the first game is great despite its limited resolution. The physics and damage modeling of those games hasn't really been replicated by any of the console games.


As far as the console games go, a lot of the EA games have been mediocre. There was one I played on PS3 that was pretty good, I believe it was 2009? The one with Jeff Gordon. I wasn't impressed with any of the original Xbox or PS2 games. PS2 era, I believe Dirt to Daytona (a non-EA game) was best.


You're right, there's a good racing game to be had with the NASCAR license. I'm glad that EA doesn't have it anymore, but I don't think Eutechnyx has improved it any. I bought the new game on Steam and I'm not very impressed. It's got a similar arcade feel that the EA games have (I would say the PS3 game I played is actually more sim-like). I think the key to a compelling NASCAR game is really nailing the simulation aspect. NASCAR is pretty boring when you don't have to nail the technical details.


I'm not a NASCAR nut, I'm a car/racing nut. I hate the fact that NASCAR gets a hundred times the coverage of any other motorsport, but I'll take it over nothing. I just wish NASCAR involved cars that were actually "stock." I do find it pretty amazing that these guys were hitting over 200 mph back in the 70's. Maybe someone should make a vintage stock car sim (Papyrus did that, actually, but it wasn't quite as good as the other games).

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@KimCheeWarriorX PS5 and Xbox (uhm 0 maybe?) to be kickstarter consoles, gotta buy it before even first party games get the go ahead!

woodyfr
woodyfr

@GIF  F1 is better. F1 games by Bugmasters are not better than this game.

xcollector
xcollector

@logangta5 Next gen is failing. It will get better. But its funny that publishers act like the XBONE & PS4 is going to save the industry and than they don't release games for it.

Kayweg
Kayweg

@neowarrior121  Well, you don't like NASCAR then, fair 'nuff. But just for your information, the NASCAR season doesn't take place on Ovals and Superspeedways only. It contains several races on road courses too.

Other than that i can only say iRacing to everyone who wants a realistic NASCAR sim.



deadpen
deadpen

@rarson @deadpen  Yes, now gen cause it exist NOW and therefor can not be next gen since that would indicate a future system, and that would mean the systems coming out in 15 years (since the now gen consoles are expected to have a life span of 15 years or so).

Would you prefer current gen, or would that be as confusing as when you say I have an xbox one and someone has to ask "do you mean the first xbox or the third xbox?" 

 Since the ps3 and xbox 360 were classified as current gen during the development and sale stage of the ps4 and xbox one that term would cause more questions.

 Basically it can't be next if it is already there, today is not next Tuesday, it was next Tuesday last Tuesday.

GIF
GIF

@woodyfr @GIF Never said they were. I just think, and this is my opinion, that NASCAR cannot be classified as racing as its mainly cars driving in cirlces. F1 is on another level.

deadpen
deadpen

@rarson Wow, that is too many words for me to read for something that is two weeks old and II just don't give a fuck about!

rarson
rarson

@deadpen

No, "next gen" is the term that is used for new systems even after their release. It's usually a year or two later, when the new consoles become the main selling platforms, that they come to be considered "current gen." Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say "next-gen consoles." Absolutely no one knows what you're talking about if you say "now gen consoles" because that's a term that nobody uses.