Mythic Entertainment folded into BioWare

EA confirms Warhammer Online studio given new "BioWare Mythic" name; no development changes indicated.

About this time last year, Electronic Arts tweaked its organizational structure to lump BioWare and Mythic Entertainment into a newly formed massively multiplayer online/role-playing game group. The move put BioWare heads Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk atop the pyramid, while longtime Mythic boss and cofounder Mark Jacobs departed the company. Now, EA has taken one more step toward folding the two studios together, confirming for GameSpot today that Mythic Entertainment has been renamed BioWare Mythic.

Mythic just got some new group mates.

The move comes as Mythic continues to struggle gaining traction with its big-budget fantasy massively multiplayer online role-playing game Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning. Having received solid reviews following its September 2008 launch, Warhammer Online initially appeared to be on a World of Warcraft-challenging trajectory. Three weeks after launch, the game peaked at 750,000 registered users, but that figure had dwindled to just 300,000 by February 2009. EA has not offered an updated subscriber count since then.

In March 2009, Mythic announced that it would be taking 63 of the game's servers offline in an effort to consolidate the evaporating player base. Mythic was also reportedly heavily affected by EA's substantial headcount reduction enacted at the end of 2009. According to unconfirmed reports, more than one-third of the studio was laid off as part of EA's 1,500-job culling.

Mythic's new status as a BioWare studio makes it the second MMORPG-focused outfit within the Edmonton, Canada-based developer's structure. The other studio, BioWare Austin, is currently at work on EA's next big effort to crack the MMORPG market, Star Wars: The Old Republic. That title is currently slated for a 2011 launch on the PC.

EA did not indicate whether Mythic's role within the company would change or whether the rebranding would affect Warhammer Online.

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burn6
burn6

I have my respect for Bioware for KOTOR, Jade Empire and Mass Effect with that experience and know how I am confident they will make WAR true to its purpose. I also applaud Mythic for making WAR bolder and staying true to the iconic roots of human, orcs, dwarfs, elves & chaos universe of Warhammer. Mythic's brazen claims will be realized now Bioware is there and better. I bid for Warhammer Online no matter what because that game is a beautiful and brutal art! You have to experience it to know what I'm talking about. I am looking forward to resub before i get to taste SWOR. Bioware Mythic FTW!

Inconnux
Inconnux

yet another AAA studio that EA has destroyed.

gbrading
gbrading moderator

I think Mythic BioWare as a company name sounds more adventurous, or mythical as the case may be.

Damascuss
Damascuss

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uberjannie
uberjannie

Mythic is a poor game dev anyways. Maybe they will regain some cred with BioWare in front of their name.

CatAtomic999
CatAtomic999

Warhammer's biggest problem is that it's built around PvP. The PvP demographic has always been the loudest one in online games, not a large one.

SlowMotionKarma
SlowMotionKarma

Hopefully BioWare isn't being forced to "fix" Warhammer Online. They've had a lot on their plate recently, and lumping them with another studio like this can't help. I was a HUGE fan of BioWare with Baldur's Gate 1/2/Throne of Bhaal, Neverwinter Nights, Knights 1; they were all beyond amazing. Sonic RPG's gameplay was really inconsistent, Mass Effect 2 felt incredibly rushed (while I still enjoyed the continuing story), Dragon Age felt like a shoddy "remake" of Baldur's Gate-style gaming, just without a great story. Knights: Online is looking quite nice though, and I hope the end product reaffirms my love for the studio. Maybe Mythic can help with PvP?

SalarianChemist
SalarianChemist

@parrot of adun Yeah, I'm not normal...I possess an incredibly high level of intelligence due to the fact that I'm a Salarian -- the smartest race of aliens in the galaxy. You tell him. ;)

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

@carp93 Normally, no. But this is SalarianChemist we're talking about here...

SalarianChemist
SalarianChemist

@XeonForce I appreciate the apology, but don't worry about it. There was just a simple misunderstanding. Heaven knows I have been misunderstood enough times; that's for sure. So don't worry about it. As far as Dragon Age: Origins goes, you make a good point. This is one of the few games that was a PC port that ended up slightly better on PS3. Basicly, Dragon Age: Origins ended up with the following pluses and minuses on each console: * Although the TV sets may have said they were receiving a 1280x720p output from both the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions (since that was the native resolution being output), the fact of the matter is that the Xbox 360 version did not include all of the pixel detail. The reason for this is because Dragon Age: Origins was one of the few games (less than 1%) where 8GB is not enough space to hold all the texture detail in a game. The developers literally needed to make a choice between not including all the textures or keeping all the textures--but with a lower number of pixels in each texture (essentially lowering the resolution and giving the game a blurrier look). The developers made the right decision by selecting the lesser of two evils. It just so happens that Dragon Age: Origins is a huge game that fell into the 1% of games made this generation that require over 8GB of space. * The Xbox 360 version of Dragon Age: Origins does have a much smoother framerate than the PS3 version due to the superior GPU found in the Xbox 360 hardware. This is the "hardware" type of issue that we see in virtually all PC ports that result in the Xbox 360 version offering a higher level of quality than the PS3 version. Obviously, the Warhammer games wouldn't require as many textures as Dragon Age: Origins. I mean, you only need so many textures for a Mech -- far less than the huge number of textures needed for all those biological beings we see in Dragon Age: Origins. I hope this helps clear things up. Have a happy 4th of July weekend, buddy! :)

SalarianChemist
SalarianChemist

@Olmon 300 Yeah, I agree with you 100% Microsoft really needs to loosen up on the strict standards for MMO style games on Xbox Live. I don't understand how they could start off so well with Final Fantasy 11 and Phantasy Star, and then sort of gradually drop the ball over time. One person had said that five years ago Microsoft was the one who needed "them," which is why Microsoft worked hard to make games like that possible. But now it is "them" who need Microsoft, which is why Microsoft wants to force everyone to do what they say. If this is true, I think it's a shame. We all know that pride goes before a fall. The whole Playstation brand name was basically ruined because Sony was arrogant, couldn't see into the future, and wouldn't give developers what they wanted. Let's hope Microsoft doesn't make that same mistake. But so far with MMO style games (a relatively new genre), it doesn't look too good. But, Microsoft's style is usually to let other companies invest the money in R&D and then learn from their mistakes. So, if the MMO genre takes off in popularity, I'm sure we can expect Microsoft to invest the cash where it is needed.

arhwhyayehn
arhwhyayehn

I got this game when it came out and that was a big mistake..just not as good as the others out there!

polterdice
polterdice

@Tortimandinn Celsius or Fahrenheit?

Dragomix13
Dragomix13

I think that it will give some refreshment to the Warhammer online, it is a great game but i think that they should let BioWare do "their job" .

Tortimandinn
Tortimandinn

Juz want tell this noone at mythic has higher IQ than at freezing point so i really hope star wars will be 100% Bioware game. How is combat mode in new star wars ? autoaim or cool down on spells / abilities.... ? any words about it :)

sSubZerOo
sSubZerOo

Hopefully this means that Warhammer Online will keep moving forward.. It had one of the most enjoyable pvp experiences (namely in arenas) then really other mmo out there including WoW.

Slash_out
Slash_out

@parrot_of_adun Yeah ^^. I didn't mean it was shameful for Mythic. They are after all part of EA. So they do what they are told. The "Shameful" was aimed at EA. There is no real reason other than using Bioware's name in this. A team that wasn't even theirs and that they had no action in building their popularity. They just spent big bucks to get them once they were popular, and now they are using this popularity to try and boost one of their other studios. And in the act, perhaps hurting Bioware's popularity by making games that aren't that great.

spinoff
spinoff

@Phoenix6359 Out of what, developing? Do you have any understanding of Bioware's track record of developing outstanding video games for fifteen years?

Phoenix6359
Phoenix6359

As long as ME3 is awesome I'm not bothered. Bioware's days are numbered though, one title that flops and they're out.

Abberon
Abberon

I 'used' to love Bioware as a studio. BG, NWN, KoToR and Mass Effect 1 were probably all my favorite RPG's ever by a long shot. Mass Effect 2, in my opinion, was a load of garbage and Dragon Age was the most recycled and cliched pos I've played in a long time. I'm hoping that Bioware's actual talent is working on SWTOR otherwise I'm a little concerned for the future.

ub3rhl
ub3rhl

Maybe Mythic can help out SW:TOR with PvP balancing issues and such...could be good news

GerrieB
GerrieB

EA bought Mythic and EA bought Bioware For the moment it seems that Bioware is in a better position, than Mythic, but knowing EA, things like that can change.

Tortimandinn
Tortimandinn

did Bioware buy mythic ? if so i wish Bioware shovel mythic team out. problem solved hehe. Im agree daoc was great game till ya ToA came but what killd daoc was all these nerfs and OP changes... it just ruined the game, the best pvp in mmorg on the market, I also cant understand why warhammer didnt have same combat system and pvp world as in daoc. can anyone tell me how combat system will be in star wars old rep ? THX

01-cannon-mpc
01-cannon-mpc

I for one tghink this is sounds cinda cool. Not the peopel fired part but the part whare BioWare bought up that company.

Wedge55
Wedge55

Heh, "solid reviews." Game critics are afraid to give most games anything lower than an 8, especially when it's from a major publisher. "Appeared to be on a World of Warcraft-challenging trajectory." I don't think we played the same game here. The WAR I played was a bloated mess that lacked proper vision or direction.

Olmon_300
Olmon_300

@SalarianChemist The hardware may be more compatible but the fact is Microsoft's xbox live policy makes it hard for mmo's to be released on it. That's why games like Champions Online which was supposed to come out on it is being constantly held back and others like FFXIV and DC Universe aren't even bothering and so are only being developed for PS3.

Scourgejoe
Scourgejoe

wayanbros: "as to the 'we're all doomed' comment, look where the world is heading now" ----- "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common." -- Written on an Assyrian clay tablet, ca. 2800 BC, according to "Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts" (1979). ...What, you thought you were the first generation to have doomsayers? Darned kids, now get off my lawn!

XeonForce
XeonForce

@SalarianChemist You said that XB360 games ported from PC have a higher quality than PS3 games ported from PC? That's not what GameSpot said about Dragon Age Origins, or Red Alert 3. Look up the review scores if you don't believe me. Dragon Age Origins was made by Bioware, who also makes Mass Effect, and has now absorbed Mythic, which I think could only be a good thing (so long as Old Republic isn't manipulated in the process). Also to respond to Carp93, the PS3 is not "my system". I play DS, Wii, PS3 exclusives, XB360 exclusives, MW2 on both, and many PC titles as well. If I considered any of them to be "my console" it would be my PC that I spent 6 months building. I'm sorry if my previous comment came off as aggressive. I'm not here to start a fight, I just want to make a point.

Franko_3
Franko_3

RIP, Mythic was a great developer of the late 90/early 2000 years. I enjoyed Dark age of Camelot until they ruined it by focusing on the horrible pve and making the grind reach the extreme level of Everquest (trial of Atlantis for those familiar with the game). I just hope current Mythic producers will not touch Kotor; these guys are epic fail.

Goldrock
Goldrock

Naw not gonna happen unlike westwood and what not ea allowed bioware too keep the rights too it interlectual or whetever the term is called property in other words ea not allowed too scrap em and run off with their products or kill the bioware name.and they are more partners if anything ea knows if they kill bioware ea will forever be a disgrace and would never climb out of that hole.

Acolite16
Acolite16

Well who else but EA, it looks to me that Bioware is going to eventually end up like Westwood Studios............ Defunct.

Leviathan96
Leviathan96

I don't care as long as Bioware still makes mind blowing games...

acerpg007
acerpg007

I hope they don't spoil BioWare..

wayanbros
wayanbros

@eyeball2452 What fancelot said is basically true, even if the truth hurts. and as to the "we're all doomed" comment, look where the world is heading now.

thecraponahat
thecraponahat

So what is it now Mythicware??? I would like to play a Warhammer non MMORPG game or a Warhammer RPG that would be good

selbie
selbie

The name sucks. Keep BioWare, erase Mythic permanently.

Sigil77
Sigil77

@SalarianChemist I don't see "more English speakers" as a reason.

SalarianChemist
SalarianChemist

@XeonForce, Hi buddy. I wanted to take the time to reply to your response to what I had written. Just to keep everyone else up to speed, I originally said that I thought Warhammer Online would make a great release on PC and Xbox 360. Then, XeonForce responded to my comment by saying: "Why wouldn't Warhammer Online make a great PS3 release as well? Not that I foresee any console release of Warhammer Online, I just hate seeing biased comments." Now I am going to explain things in a way that is a little bit more detailed in order to show I am not "biased." First, Warhammer games tend to have the PC as their primary development platform. As we all know, whenever a PC game is ported to a console it means an almost effortless port to the Xbox 360 while the PS3 version tends to make life difficult for the programmers. The reason for this is because the Xbox 360 hardware is virtually identical to a PC while the PS3 hardware is fundamentally different from a PC. This is why the Xbox 360 versions of ported PC games offer a higher level of quality than the PS3 versions. Second, the number of online users speaking the English language is much larger with Xbox Live than it is on the PSN. There would always be far more people to play online with on Xbox Live than the PSN. This is why I think a console version of Warhammer: Online would work great on Xbox 360 and PC but not quite as good on the PS3, unless all the versions were linked together somehow. If that were the case, I'm sure a PS3 version would be great, too. Carp93 actually hit the nail on the head in his response that said: "Just because someone neglects to mention your particular console in their post doesn't instantly make them bias" @Carp93, You are 100% correct. I had actually read several months ago that Warhammer: Space Marine was going to be released for PC and Xbox 360 (but not the PS3). This was the main reason why I only mentioned the PC and Xbox 360 in my original comment. I mean, PS3 owners wouldn't want one Warhammer game if they couldn't have both of them, right. Thankfully, today while reading I found out that THQ has decided to release Warhammer: Space Marine for the PS3, too. This means that you can add the "PS3" to the PC and Xbox 360 in my original comment. This also means that if there is room for one Warhammer game, there is room for more! So, bring on Warhammer Online, too!

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

@Slash_out This isn't an act on Mythic's part. Both studios are subsidiaries of EA, and EA saw Mythic as being unprofitable, so they took that workforce and put it where they'd lose the least money. It's just consolidation (not that it's a good thing). It's not like Mythic just one day decided that they wanted to take advantage of the Bioware name.

_distemper
_distemper

@fancelot Creative freedom is a lot different from complete autonomy. The heads at EA do make calls over BioWare. In addition, I think you are thinking of too literal and simple an explanation of what I wrote. Money corrupts, and I've seen too many companies take the road of profit over quality and loyalty to their customers. I'm not saying that EA will do the same to BioWare that Activision did to IW. I'm simply stating that one day, Ray and Greg might find that EA is pushing BioWare to violate their commitment to quality, and find themselves shelved because of it. Money motivates companies to do all sorts of things. Again, I'm not saying that the above will happen. I certain hope it does not, and I certainly am looking forward to SW:TOR.

Calelith
Calelith

I still don't understand how mythic could take a winning idea like a warhammer mmo and fail so damn badly.

wbezuidenhout
wbezuidenhout

Please, please, PLEASE EA, I BEG you, DON'T let the Mythic team anywhere NEAR the SWTOR team!

Chilean_demon
Chilean_demon

maybe a chance of Mass Effect MMO? thats a huge franchise, you can have a lot of classes, races and a great story.