Muzyka, Zeschuk, Morhaime talk change at DICE keynote

DICE 2011: BioWare founders and Blizzard CEO join Zynga's Bruce Shelley, Cerny Games' Mark Cerny in AIAS Hall of Fame-studded panel; console Diablo, WOW vs. Star Wars: TOR discussed.

Who was there: The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences pulled no stops for the 2011 DICE Summit's keynote address. Rather than inviting one big name to speak, the organization got five, all of which have been inducted into the AIAS Hall of Fame.

From left: Moderator Seth Schiesel; Mike Morhaime; Bruce Shelley; Mark Cerny; Ray Muzyka; and Greg Zeschuk.

The keynote roundtable, long-windedly titled "Game Changers: A Conversation on the Nature of Interactive Entertainment from some of the Medium's Most Significant Creators," included BioWare's Dr. Ray Muzyka and Dr. Greg Zeschuk, Cerny Games' Mark Cerny, Zynga's Bruce Shelley, and Blizzard's Mike Morhaime.

What they talked about: Following opening remarks by AIAS president Martin Rae, the distinguished panel took the stage, with the moderator opening up the panel with the simple question, "What's on your mind?"

Zeschuk stepped up first by introducing the concept of change, saying that an enormous amount of it is occurring within the industry right now. Change is the reality, he said, and game makers all have to deal with it, but he emphasized that it's an exciting time. Muzyka agreed, saying that the industry is playing out in an S-shaped curve and that a lot of existing companies must adapt if they want to survive. He said that it's also exciting to see what new players in the industry bring to the table.

Mike Morhaime

Cerny commented that he's actually jealous of Shelley, saying that the Zynga creator can get a new game done faster than he can get a lawyer assigned to a contract. As for Shelley, he said that it is once again exciting to be a new player in the industry, after several years in which the industry slogged through the economic slump.

Morhaime also said he believes it is a very exciting time to be in, on account of widespread change. However, he believes that the industry has never stopped changing, and this idea is not new. The industry has always had to look ahead and take advantage of opportunities, he said. Continuing, Morhaime said that for a while, it was very difficult to start up a new studio, but new markets have arisen, new ways to play have emerged, and it's all very positive and healthy for the industry that small teams can make gaming experiences again.

The moderator then shifted the conversation toward what's new and hot that the panel has been playing. Again Zeschuk led, saying that he makes a point of playing as many other games as he can. Zynga's CityVille, in particular, caught his attention, he said, and he brought in his lead designers to look at the game, proclaiming it to be the future.

As for his BioWare counterpart, Muzyka has been most recently infatuated with Rockstar Games' Red Dead Redemption, and he noted that it is a prime example of how large studios and teams can still make something "magnificent." It's true for big games and small games, he says, and we are starting to see greater depth in social and casual games. He also lauded the fact that social and casual games are beginning to exhibit a greater degree of depth, saying that they are making the industry more accessible to a wider audience.

Ray Muzyka

The moderator then asked Muzyka what he would have "stolen" from Red Dead Redemption, in the vein of the old maxim "Good writers borrow, greater writers steal." He said that he often looks to other games for inspiration and that with Red Dead, the sense of exploration and the open world is what impressed him. That Rockstar applied this to a Western world is what surprised him. Also, the depth and small details were especially good. Almost every aspect of the content, he concluded, was worth stealing.

Picking back up with the "games that inspire" line of questioning, Cerny said that he is infatuated with Thatgamecompany's Flower. Calling the game design fearless, he said that Flower represents a total commitment to an idea. In particular, Flower operates as art, he continued, saying that the game is the dream of a flower. Further, he lauded the fact that it is not relentlessly goal driven in a way that would interfere with its ability to function in other ways.

Shelley was particularly impressed with FrontierVille, a game that was made before he joined Zynga. He said CityVille opened his eyes to the potential of the kinds of games that Zynga is creating and that he was surprised by how clever and addictive it was.

Shelley is then asked whether he sees Zynga's game design as motivated too much by monetization efforts. While declining to comment on Zynga's design philosophy, he said that he personally was convinced that wasn't the case after interacting with Brian Reynolds and the rest of the company's design team. These games are just a start, he said, and he wonders what kind of depth and quality Blizzard could achieve in the free-to-play market.

Bruce Shelley

As for Morhaime, he said that when at home, he's mostly playing Blizzard games. However, he also expressed optimism over mobile gaming. Words With Friends, in particular, is his game of choice, and he brought up the point that playing with friends always deepens the engagement and connection.

With Morhaime's presence on the stage noted, Zeschuk and Muzyka were then asked how they hope to compete in the massively multiplayer online space, and in particular, what can they bring to the table. Zeschuk began by noting that World of Warcraft remains the touchstone in the industry, and it proves that big games still work. He also said that because of WOW's influence, it is important to maintain the standards that the game established.

That said, Zeschuk noted that anyone who plays Star Wars: The Old Republic will see that it is a BioWare game. Second, he said that they aren't going out there to beat anyone, in that they aren't positing the game as the oft-feared, never-materialized WOW killer. Lastly, Zeshuck said that delivering superior service is of the utmost importance for BioWare, even if it is an incredibly intimidating project to take on.

Muzyka then chimed in, saying that BioWare does, in fact, have ample experience in the field of games-as-service, given many team members' backgrounds with Mythic Entertainment. For BioWare, he said, it's about collaboration, as well as finding the best and the brightest and building off of their communal experience.

Morhaime was then asked if BioWare's title is causing more anxiety than previous competitors. In a diplomatic response, he praised BioWare and the Star Wars license, saying only that he ultimately thinks it's good for the genre when good, fun competitors come out. Conversely, when bad MMOs come out, it is a disservice to the genre and can cause potential new players to get frustrated and give up on the genre.

As a follow-up, Morhaime is asked about what kind of experiences Blizzard would like to provide to players in the future that aren't currently being provided now. He said that some of Blizzard's most experienced developers are working on the company's new project, and they are attempting to apply the lessons they've learned throughout the years. Some of these insights have been addressed in WOW, he said, but others require a clean slate to do properly.

Greg Zeschuk

Blizzard is trying to do something new and fresh in the MMO genre, he continued, emphasizing that the new project is not a WOW sequel. The studio envisions these two games will coexist in the future and that the least he can say on the issue is that games are more fun when players are experiencing them with others.

Shelley was then asked about the idea of players being able to have some direct effect on the play experience of others, whether called "griefing" or "emergent gameplay." Head-to-head competition isn't a core tenet of Zynga's currently lineup, he responded, noting that this omission isn't necessarily a bad thing. Shelley said he believes there are a lot of different experiences and ways to play games, and it isn't necessary to put every piece in one box.

Back to Morhaime, the moderator asks whether, given the industry's current climate, console gaming is a necessary part of the company's business plan going forward. Morhaime says that it isn't, but then noted that many people enjoy console games and that whenever the company starts up a new project, they always look at all relevant platforms.

He went on to note that the Diablo franchise in particular is one that could work on consoles. "We're actually doing an investigation into that," he confirmed, saying also that a number of outstanding issues would need to be solved before the company commits to bringing the franchise to consoles.

The moderator then moved the discussion toward mistakes, with Zeschuk offering a tale from many years ago--the attempt to create a kung fu fighter using the Baldur's Gate engine. Apparently, because cutscenes were difficult and time consuming during that period, he made an equally foolish decision to simply use old kung fu movie footage and dub over what was being said. Needless to say, that project never saw the light of day.

Cerny, whose credits include the revered original Crash Bandicoot series, said that one of his biggest mistakes involved that series. Specifically, it centered upon the team's decision to create an eight- to nine-hour game, give the player only five lives, and then send them back to the beginning if they ran out. "I have no idea why we were doing that in 1996," he lamented.

Shelley's big mistake, he said, involved Age of Empires III. He said that the team attempted to incorporate too many features from other popular real-time strategy titles from that time period. When many of these ideas didn't work out, the team lost focus on the essence of what makes an Age of Empires game, and the product lost coherence.

Mark Cerny

Morhaime said that he was actually on the wrong side of a good decision with the original Starcraft. With only a few weeks left before the game's launch, Command & Conquer was released and introduced a new way of interacting with the map. This right-click interface, Morhaime felt, would have jeopardized the project if implemented, even though it was clearly better than what was in Starcraft at the time. However, Allen Adham went around Morhaime, taking the idea directly to the programming team, and it was ultimately very successful.

Quote:"So, you know, do a good job."--Mike Morhaime, offering advice to BioWare's Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk for the upcoming MMO game Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Takeaway: Despite the wealth of old dogs on the stage, one common opinion was that the gaming industry is an industry of change, and it is important to embrace this fact to stay relevant. Along with hard work and talent, the panelists seemed to agree that the ability to take change in stride is one of the best ways to come out on the winning side of history.

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34 comments
CyberKlown28
CyberKlown28

mikey my post was sarcastic. Battlefield players always go on CoD articles and complain about milking. and THEN Battlefield has 1-2 releases each year(counting battlefield online/battlefield heroes/etc. to make it two per year sometimes) Dice has to make a game every year, or work up some 15 dollar DLC. Call of Duty has five developers working on their own projects so they still get 2 years of development. I love yearly releases personally though xD Call of Duty fans want MW3, Battlefield fans want Battlefield 3.

mikey1611
mikey1611

@CyberKlown28 I rather have Battlefield stay under DICE's development, their philosophy for the franchise is great, even if they took the franchise in a different direction with Bad Company (an experimental direction for destruction and single-player story campaign). It's also a bit hard to understand your comment, especially with your Nintendo display photo, Nintendo being notorious for "milking". Also, I think you may have used the term "milking" wrong. And if you want milking, Battlefield is the wrong target. Call of Duty is already there and slowly being ran into the ground. I really hope you didn't mistake "Digital Illusion Creative Entertainment (EA)" with "Design Innovate Communicate Entertain" because this DICE (the latter) has nothing to do with the Battlefield series (so far). That is the only reason I can see how you brought up Battlefield.

CyberKlown28
CyberKlown28

Another year, another Battlefield. And EA doesn't even have multiple developers to work on it. wth =/ Milking much?

ZIROPC360
ZIROPC360

I like consoles, really; I just don't like the horde of prepubescent whiners who play online. Diablo on consoles could be cool so long as the audience is good as well.

motorxd
motorxd

Are they ever going to realize diablo will fail on consoles? It did before and it will again! Diablo is a mature game, as in not for the hordes of 12 year old cod console kiddies who will have their trained parents buy it for them.

roger_g3
roger_g3

I'd really love to see a console diablo. Even a HD remake of Diablo II and LoD would be a blast.

CarlitosWay
CarlitosWay

@OJdaLIONKing Probably the most intelligent and realistic thing ive heard in a while. I wont lie, when SWTOR comes out, ill probably dedicate most of my gaming time to it. But when i have down time on it, i will continue between my other games. Everyone makes the comparison to WoW and nobody realizes that while they are the same market ideology, they are ALWAYS aimed at different audiences. Im sure NOBODY thought WoW was going to become the stagnant beast it is today. I remember opening the Blizzard booklet in my D2 game box (back when it came out) and looking at the pics they had of it. I was like, WTF is this? This wont sell. Silly me, eh?

OJ_the_LION
OJ_the_LION

I was a bit peeved that someone from Zynga was up with these greats before I realized he was part of AoE. Imagine a facebook based AoE game--certainly possible with today's technology, and with maybe with static kingdoms? Ooh, sorry was drooling for a bit there. Morhaime's response to The Old Republic may have been diplomatic, but it's also true. If I had my MMO experiences be stuff like Age of Conan and FFXIV (as regretful as I am to say that as a long time FFXI player) I probably would have given up on MMOs before I started playing WoW. I think two competitors with distinct but high quality products will bring the best out of each other. I'm definitely looking forward to The Old Republic, but I will probably continue to play WoW in the future as well--they're both bound to be great, even if I have to alternate since it's expensive and time consuming to do both at once, I still want to experience both.

Entropy730
Entropy730

Bioware>Square Enix any RPG Bioware has ever made beats every child-with-spiked-hair-and-giant-weapon RPG that Square Enix has ever made.. including FFVII... FF7 was genius but that's just one genius game... you go back to Bioware's beginnings with NWN, BG and ME1&2... yeah Bioware's better by length of existence and amount of amazing titles. SW:TOR will be very interesting to watch. I think it will get more than 1 million subscribers in under 6 months if the initial reviews of the first week or so are positive; which they most likely will be. Space combat and everyone pitches in to the quest's conversation?! yeah that's called industry pwnage

dkdk999
dkdk999

I want to watch this man.

tooki
tooki

It's sad to see Shelley working on browser game BS. I want a true sequel to AoE2!

Led_poison
Led_poison

man Bruce Shelly looks like the guy from UP

MooncalfReviews
MooncalfReviews

BIOWARE ... BLIZZARD ... AND ... Zynga ...? Wait, what the ... ! Why is Zynga on the same stage as geniuses like this?

Ciphas
Ciphas

@PewPewNinja Your comment makes absolutely no sense to me.

PewPewNinja
PewPewNinja

Bioware oh bioware you once did a good game and now ppl talk about you like you were some kind of god, sadly all your new games are garbage. Why do ppl talk about battlefield - Square Enix...

Tarmac_Hunter
Tarmac_Hunter

Where did all the Square-Enix comparisons come in? They weren't even a part of this panel or discussion... but hey whatever. In my admittedly less-than-humble opinion, most of the old studios (Blizzard, Bioware, Squeenix, etc) have passed their glory days anyway. Very little that they do is fresh or exciting anymore - instead they all seem to be in a mad scramble to cater to the casual crowds that Zynga now champions, and in doing so dilute experiences for both the "core" crowd and the "casuals." For examples, I'd cite the $25 ghost mounts in WoW, and all the "welfare purples;" Bioware's constant dumbing-down of rpg elements in Mass Effect and Dragon Age in some misguided attempt to lure in fps players, and Square-Enix... well I don't have to go on about FF14 anymore than has already been done, do I?

Nemesis_x2
Nemesis_x2

Does anybody got a video of this???!!!

ZackMAck43
ZackMAck43

Okey, how did this become a battle between Square and Bioware? Bioware made BG1&2, NWN1&2, DA,ME1&2 and lots more. Square made FF series like VII was a legendary game, Dragon quest series and lots more. however the point is you cant compare to great game developers. But im not completely objective. Enix ruined a lot for Square and FF14 was a disaster and you know a team is only as good as its weakest link.

spino78
spino78

Bio Ware is amazing because they made some of the best games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Dice is pretty amazing too because Bad Company 2 is one of my favorite multiplayer shooters. But I don't like Square Enix at all. Bio Ware is way better!!!

Doug-358
Doug-358

Bioware stuffis going to get old after awhile and Blizzard only has one title WOW after merging with Activision. One more thing Square Enix> Bioware

campbell153
campbell153

This "big change" to sounds like the nod from console developers... *hint hint nudge nudge* "these are the specs and performance with our next-gen consoles" said nobody in particular.. lol

Timmy_Gwar
Timmy_Gwar

@CyberKlown28 Are you serious? I'm a massive Bioware fan, I didn't even know they made Sonic Chronicles. I can see that your picture is the Nintendo logo though, so that might be vindictive of your gaming tastes. In your case I would just stick with first party DS titles, or at least play some more games before you judge a whole company based on one of their smallest endeavors.

Hekynn
Hekynn

Bioware and Dice rules!

RossRichard
RossRichard

Why does the industry keep trying to pick some kind of fight between Bioware and Blizzard? SWTOR and WoW are two different genres of MMOs for chrissakes.

CyberKlown28
CyberKlown28

DICE is alright, I prefer EA Tiburon. Bioware is really overrated, play sonic chronicles some time... and zynga shouldn't even be anywhere near game panels. Taking advantage of old people isn't nice.

your_mom1
your_mom1

Bioware>Square Enix.......Square has always sucked.

Biorges
Biorges

blah, blah, blah...i m afraid bioware will end up just like square-enix nowadays, you can almost see it coming from here.

edwise18
edwise18

As long as change doesn't involve the move (no pun intended) to 100% motion controls,then I don't mind.

wookieeassassin
wookieeassassin

Hey wait a minute, I thought this was about the development company DICE, you know the people best known for the Battlefield series?

Ovirew
Ovirew

I don't know that these guys give what I want.

MERGATROYDER
MERGATROYDER

Great panel. Those are the people that give what we want in video games.