Miyamoto: Wii U skepticism same as DS

Mario creator Shigeru Miyamoto says Nintendo faced same misgivings about portable platform, which has now sold over 180 million units.

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Skepticism about Nintendo hardware--this time over the Wii U--is nothing new for the publisher. Mario and Zelda creator Shigeru Miyamoto told CNN that when Nintendo originally launched the DS in 2004, many predicted it would fall short.

"There was a period when we first released the Nintendo DS that people would say there's no way people can look at two screens at once," he said.

As it turned out, gamers by the millions embraced the portable's two-screen approach. Nintendo has sold 182 million DS and 3DS hardware units as of December 31.

Regarding the Wii U, Miyamoto said he envisions a day when players become so accustomed to the two-screen experience that they can't imagine games without it.

"I almost feel like, as people get more familiar with Wii U and these touchscreen interfaces, that there is going to come a point where they feel like 'I can't do everything I want to do if I don't have a second screen,'" Miyamoto said.

The Wii U has sold over 3 million units worldwide as of December 31. According to reports, the system moved 57,000 units in January and 64,000 units in February in the United States. By comparison, the seven-year-old Xbox 360 sold 302,000 units in February in the US.

Nintendo has admitted that marketing the Wii U has been a "challenge" due to the platform's lack of a "looking fun" element compared to the original Wii.

Discussion

530 comments
bluefox755
bluefox755

No, it's not the same, Wii-U has competition, DS didn't.

theR34p3R
theR34p3R

Nintendo needs to start releasing their hardware WITH their system sellers. Not tell us months after launch that the big titles are still coming (at the end of the next year). They want to appeal to the core gamers again... then they need to ship their consoles with those core games. And stop making re-re-re-re-remakes and asking the price as if it were a brand new game : /

reincarnator07
reincarnator07

Difference is, the DS was riding on the momentum from previous handhelds and has a wide diverse library of both first and third party games. As with the Wii, it opened up gaming for casuals, although unlike the wii, there are a lot of good core games too.

Yalaa1
Yalaa1

Why so much hate and doom towards Nintendo? People don't realise that even if the WiiU is selling quite low for now, the only ones who are losing money big time are Sony and Microsoft. Sony has been losing tons of money ever since the PS3 and Microsoft has never made big profit out of their Xbox nor 360. Nintendo made profit even in the Gamecube days yet they are still the ones destined to Fail or become Software Only? 

botsio
botsio

people have looked down on nintendos creations for far too long!the ds proved critics wrong!the wii u will do same!with the third party support the wii u isn't only casualty!why leave out the vita!had it not been for the timely release and compatiblity with the ps4 it would have been the most powerful handheld device but wasted! in terms of resources!

SciFiCat
SciFiCat

Mr. Miyamoto, the problem with the WiiU is not the "two screens" it is the fact that there is no 3rd party support to speak off and there no sign of this changing because 3rd parties don't want to place their games to compete against Nintendo's own catalog.  They tried that on the Wii and 3rd party games did not sell well.  3rd parties don't want to work on yet another under powered system after one of the most protracted console generations ever and there is also the fact that many 3rd party developers have gone out of their way to state the WiiU is under powered and they will not be making any games for it.

The problem with the WiiU is that you managed to alienate your long time hardcore audience with the Wii, instead pandering to the casual crowd with a gimmicky motion controller that is now seen as a failed experiment.  The hardcore crowd has moved on and the casuals have abandoned you for mobile and tablet gaming.  And as long as there is not a decent game catalog of exclusives on the WiiU, its sales will continue to meander along as these are.

The DS succeeded because it had a huge catalog of games from multiple developers and because, at the time, the only competition was the PSP.  It was a different time,  smartphones with significant gaming apps as we know them now did not exist back then.  Now almost everyone has a smartphone in their pockets  and can purchase games one download away, games like "The World Ends With You" and "Infinity Blade", so there is really no real comparison to the situation the WiiU currently faces.  I'm not saying the WiiU is not worth owning, but it is not as appealing as past Nintendo hardware was.

So in short, no games, no sale - fix that and things may improve but the "Blue Ocean" dried up long ago for you.   

telaros
telaros

THIS IS IN NO WAY COMPARABLE TO DS!

Get off your high Epona Miyamoto! The Wii U is a RELIC and the president of Nintendo is a freaking IDIOT for declaring he doesn't want Wii U to 'compete' with Next Gen!

GAH! You Japanese are too damn full of yourselves to see the burning pile of shit you're standing on!

Seriously, you may as well team up with Nvidia to create a powerful nextgen level quality portable gaming machine like the Tetra! Support 100% online structure with your games to support CLOUD like Steam.

You'll be busy releasing Wind Waker HD at the end of the year, while everyone will be playing Saints Row 4 on PS4 and more money baggers on 720.

CEO needs to step down and take responsibility for ruining Nintendo's chances at being competitive in the next gen wars, to which Nintendo took the neutrality side of things not wanting to compete at all. WELL TOO LATE TO BITCH NOW!

Tablet? Please, if it was a HIGH QUALITY WACOM STYLE TABLET that could be used on PC (it is blu-tooth so it might work??? idk, anyone tested this yet?) then maybe you could of competed on a whole other scale, and make some games project off the handheld onto other monitors without the Wii U.

The Tablet should of been the system, not the Wii look alike part of the two. I would pay LOTS of money for a Wii U level handheld that I could project the games onto a monitor like a laptop's or pc's or TV without any other wires aside from a mini-HDMI or something.

Nintendo, feel free to take these ideas and just try to salvage what you can. You really took a step forward and two steps back with this system. If you want to compete, look BEYOND the traditional and into portable freedom of gaming. You aren't taking Tablet gaming far enough!

You really are on to something, but you are letting your PRIDE get in the way!

ewjiml
ewjiml

What pisses me off about Nintendo is this lack of information.  Of course everyone's skeptical about the Wii U...average gamers like me want to play a 3D Mario or Zelda.  I could care less about Monster Hunter or Lego City.  I was stoked about Rayman and Pikmin but they both got delayed.  But there is not one SHRED of information about release dates......Pikmin Q2....Mario???  Zelda???  Smash Bros??  Hello Nintendo!??? My enthusiasm for this system wanes while I get excited for the PS4 and next Xbox.  By the time Nintendo releases another game that I want, I might just not care anymore.  Zombie U was awesome but I finished that.  Come on Nintendo, I know you are waiting for E3 but you are losing sales and fans in the process of this software drought.  Remember that new consoles are launching soon and you will either launch some killer AAA games or fail.  If I have to wait til Christmas or next year for a Mario, Smash Bros, or Zelda (which probably is releasing in 2014) then goodbye. 

TenraiSenshi
TenraiSenshi

The biggest problem Nintendo faces is the fact that both the new Xbox and PS4 will be launching this year (according to most reports), which means they risk having the Wii-U fall away into the background over the hype of the new next-gen consoles. They need to keep the Wii-U in the limelight if they want to prevent that from happening and that will require good marketing and a better game line-up, otherwise this console will be killed off so fast people won't even care to remember that it existed in the first place.

Remember, it isn't enough to just appease hardcore gamers who usually follow everything that's happening in the gaming world regardless of whether those topics are necessarily in the limelight or not. You also have to appeal to the masses of potential gamers who don't usually know what's going on behind the scenes and keep them informed and aware of your product and the new content being released for it.

SicklySunStorm
SicklySunStorm

It's always hard to see the wood for the trees of course, but I think all it will take is the 1 or 2 killer game(s) to get it to sell much, much more. The 3DS was doing fairly dire until Mario 3D Land arrived, and it's flying now. I suspect that the Zelda HD remake later in the year will help somewhat. They need to show us something - even if a fleeting glimpse - of what they have in store for a new full HD Mario game. Hell, I would be happy with a HD Mario 64 or Sunshine, but to see a properly new full Mario game would be awesome.

Poodger
Poodger

The Wii U will pick up sales in the future. Much like the 3DS, it will have a slow start, but become more trendy as time goes on and games are released. Games are what make a system great, and very few system launches had that system's gems in the starting lineup. Once the Wii U generates a library of games, it will do well.

I personally won't be buying a Wii U until the launch date of Smash Bros.

guahiatt
guahiatt

I think that I'll go with WiiU and Ps4 this gen, since both console have exclusives that I really like. I wouldn't by an Xbox, by no means, if it has an always online requirement. I have a 360 and loved it, but I really cannot support that.

Also, I believe that what Nintendo is doing is very laudable. They are the only ones taking chances here by making innovations gameplay wise (like asymmetric gameplay and panoramic view), while Sony and Microsoft are making "safer bets". Sony and Microsoft are making things just look better, while Nintendo is trying to create new ways to play. Sony and Microsoft make quantitative modifications while Nintendo does qualitative modifications, and I believe that's very healthy for the industry as a whole.

digitaltiger
digitaltiger

Until the Wii U has enough of the must play games it's not going to sell well, games sell consoles.

tyrone20006
tyrone20006

The only games I enjoy playing on a Nintendo machine is Mario, Zelda, Metroid its a shame that to because I grew up playing all the Nintendo systems like the NES and SNES.

hasancakir
hasancakir

I think they should just concentrate to create more casual games instead of trying to drag standart hardcore games to  wii u to attract more players.

cm94
cm94

They should just make a proper console without the touch screen shit, then they can directly compete with Microsoft and Sony. 

Eyefrein
Eyefrein

Good for the Nintendo fans!, Aliens colonial marines won´t be a better game just for the graphics improvement the wii u could´ve provided... We want Zelda, Mario, Metroid and Star Fox!!!!!

Necro_Fear89
Necro_Fear89

You are a visionary Miyamoto, and always think outside the box with your products. However nothing can replace a good ol' controller in my hands, not motion controls nor touch screen technology can take it's place.

OshadowO
OshadowO

Releasing underpowered hardware again, supported by mostly first party games will not work again like it did for Wii which was a paradigm shift.  In the long run this could very well be another gamecube for Nintendo unless they can get real 3rd party support beyond shitty ports.

BravoOneActual
BravoOneActual

I love the system... in theory...  four years ago.  Hell, I'd love to have one now!

Low-def small screens are really not a deal breaker.

The same old in-house games/franchises year after year , over a decade of nonexistent third-party support and about a scant dozen remotely interesting titles per generation are the problem.

Why is this so hard to understand?


TheZeroPercent
TheZeroPercent

-- so this explains everything 

--Miyamoto has gone senile


Cappuccin0
Cappuccin0

I like the second screen thingy ... but to say that we'll DEPEND on it is going a tad too far.

apol23
apol23

I'm selling my WiiU Black for only 300Dlls ... Anyone?

Ovirew
Ovirew

Oh of course!  Our best-selling handheld = our current struggling console!  You silly consumers just don't get it yet!  XD

guahiatt
guahiatt

@Yalaa1 I have no clue about how much these companies lose or win in $...but I've been wondering the same thing lately: why so much hate? Is it because its "less powerful" or something? Ideas, anyone?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Yalaa1 

Ignorance can be quite a difficult thing to overcome :D

degaboss
degaboss

@SciFiCat ummmmmm have you heard of bayonetta 2 exclusive to wii u??? or the revamped version of ninja gaiden 3???  i would buy the console down the road just for that tiny game

bimastrike871
bimastrike871

@telaros hey dumb ass, racism is being something, not a type of person. So yes youre right, youre not "a racist" youre "racist".  And btw, wtf is a broad sweet? And . . .internet assumptions? lol so people who make assumptions offline are meaningful but online ones are not? Also telling everyone in a third person perspective that youre not worried about your "character" just proves that you are a coward who is acting, rather than being yourself, then you further your idiotic behavior by reassuring that its not on you "list of cares" wow and guess what dude, your world is a tiny bubble and no one gives a fuck.  

bimastrike871
bimastrike871

@telaros youre fucking ridiculous and full of shit. You also have no idea what youre talking about, so stop spewing out bullshit.  

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@telaros 
Saints Row 4 is only coming out for the PS3/360. 

Either way, you just sound like a whiny "gamer" who thinks he knows exactly how to run a business when everything he's saying is pretty much stupid advice that will only cause Nintendo to lose a crap ton of money and pretty much fail. I mean, you pretty much told Nintendo to make another portable system, which would mean they would have two major systems competing with each other, not exactly something you want to do. 

Let's see, with the Gamecube, they directly competed with the competition in terms of tech and power, how did that turn out?

With the Wii, DS and 3DS, they pretty much only made the necessary upgrades to power but decided that power was not a factor and focused on something different, how has that turned out for them? 

ewjiml
ewjiml

@telaros  

Playstation is Japanese.  The PS3 could've failed but it didn't.  It's Nintendo being stubborn, not Japan.   Just some FYI :)

pip3dream
pip3dream

@ewjiml The last time I was excited about Nintendo, was the SNES.  They left the core gaming experience behind (not sure if that is the proper way to say it) a long time ago.

Poodger
Poodger

@OshadowO Well the Gamecube may not have been the winning console that generation, but it did provide great games for the non casual gamer, and was alpl around a good system. I think the Wii U can match the Gamecube. To be honest, the hardware doesn't really matter either. The system may be outdated, but as long as the games are good, it doesn't matter one bit. Nintendo doesn't compete in the same way that Zbox and Playstation do. Alot of gamers own either a PC, Xbox or Playstation and get a Nintendo system to compliment it.

Humdinger80
Humdinger80

@OshadowO Don't you get it? The ONLY reason Nintendo makes consoles is for their own games. I'm sure they would like 3rd party support but they don't really give a shit about them and aren't necessary to Nintendo. Their main focus is to make hardware to play THEIR games the way they want you to play them (Wii Mote, Tablet). So your right, the Wii U is most definitely gonna end up like the gamecube and the Wii because Nintendos systems aren't built to be "proper consoles" to play all games. They don't need those games because from this comment section alone there's more than enough Nintyfans to keep them in business with their own franchises. They don't need "PC architecture" to make a fuckin Pikmin game haha

Humdinger80
Humdinger80

@BravoOneActual It's you who doesn't understand. Nintendo doesn't make consoles to play all games like your Battlefields, Bioshocks, GTAs, etc...It's not their focus and isn't needed. Nintendo doesn't exist to compete with Sony or MS or anybody that would enter the console market because they don't have to. Clearly there are enough people that will buy Nintendo consoles just to play NINTENDO GAMES and that's who they make these little systems for.

telaros
telaros

@bimastrike871 @telaros You must care deeply about my little bubble with all the poking you've been doing lol *pats you on the head* relax, everything is fine.

Sweet? Ah, typo's are magic aren't they? The word was 'sweep' for those who care, which you do, I guess.

Yes, throw away comments like yours are just bigones to me. I don't dwell on mistakes or faceless people like you or me.

Opinions? I value them. Not so much on trivial stuff you seem to cling to though, and everyone I know is familiar with my apathy. You are, hard to believe as it may be, no one. To me you are just some angry person swearing at a computer screen. On a gaming news site no less.

Relax. It is over. Well, technically it has been for awhile, but felt rude not to let your cuss filled rage go to waste.

You won. Victory for bimastrike871 (clearly not someone hiding behind some alias, no cowards here), be proud.

Now, if you'll excuse me. I have a bubble to get back to, not that you care or anything. It's quite an impressive bubble though, seriously, you are missing out.

Well, to be honest with you, I felt like killing time after putting a queue list up on steam to download to my new 3TB HD. Being more efficient these days, I can be pretty ocd about stuff and steam was taking up some 930'ish gbs on my main drive. Not cool.

Also, Shingeki no Ryujin is a pretty promising anime, enjoyed the first episode, though I much prefer Slice of Life anime like Minami-Ke Tadaima.

If you run into a Fonewearl on the PSO2 servers named Catsy, be sure to say hi!

Not much else worth mentioning on a Sunday... Last 3 hours have just been moving files around and chatting on steam. And yes, just downloading games is all and decided to ring you up after your third and passionate reply. Apologies for not taking anonymity seriously. See, online people DO matter. The ones I call friends or deem relevant. Those like you, passer by, sadly mean little to nothing when they throw tantrums. But, I don't take any offense. We're just different, with different priorities

I'm bored, putting off rearranging my room. Don't have to right away but my Cintiq will be arriving within the next few days though so it is good to plan ahead.

 Also, yes I know, I can be playful or a bitch. In any case, I can be rather snide and bitchy from time to time. But, I'm always pretty happy and calm. Makes no sense? I know, its my nature. I don't have to make sense. I don't have to try to impress people, and yes I have lost a job over being honest with a manager once about what I thought about them. His face was priceless. Sorry, off topic again :p

I don't see your, or anyone's view on my character as important, that is true. Not those I don't associate with. Now, I'm not insensitive, I know you felt hurt by whatever I may have said. Normally I shrug these off as whatever, but you seem pretty upset so I'll just go ahead and apologize.

Deal with it!

With  <3  ~Telaros





No seriously though, sorry I hurt your feelings. Least that's what I'd say if I wasn't in my own little bubble LIVIN' IT UP YO!


(sorry, couldn't resist)

telaros
telaros

@abHS4L88 @telaros From my understanding it will be coming out on next gen. Whiny gamer? Nintendo has already lost a crap ton of money. You know why they aren't dead yet?

DS/3DS sales.

I don't invest in shit systems. They either have what I want, or I wait till they get something I want. I never had a problem with their handheld Market, but as one whose owned their systems in the past, and the way devs turn their backs on it soon after release...

Yeah, Wii U is showing all the signs of a Game Cube right now. Nintendo has always failed more and more with each console release, slowly they lost more support, games became further and further apart from release, and now we have a system where we won't see a real Nintendo game till next year.


Sorry, but if not being a raving fanboy who drops down money at the mention of a new Nintendo system or whatever, makes me untitled to express my views of the obvious in your face fail that is Nintendo's Wii U approach, then go on and continue skipping along with your rose-colored glasses as Nintendo sics Miyamoto to play his little flute, and drown with your Wii U in the river of tears that is a dead system.

Nintendo's only strength has been in handhelds and only because no worthwhile competitors have approached it the way Nintendo has, affordability, innovation, and quality assortment of IPs.

Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you when you buy a handheld. You aren't forced to buy proprietary memcards. If Sony had not been so paranoid and tried to milk gamers like they typically do, the gap between 3DS and PS Vita would of had a bigger install base, and by extension, had they not told their fans that they had to rebuy all the PSP games they owned all over again to download, who knows they would of had a bigger install base.

Console markets are a different beast. No one wants to have that one system that they know won't be getting that awesome game their friends will be playing with other friends, a game they won't be able to enjoy because devs see Wii U as a number, and that number isn't worth supporting.


Devs don't care about your likes or who you side with for companies, they see numbers and those numbers convince them as to whether we get games or not. I assure you, Nintendo, like Wii, will only appeal to the nostalgist and die hard loyalist.

In any case, nintendo has two years (this one and all of next year's) to prove they are worth investing. No store wants their shelves full of unwanted products. Shit has to move for the next stuff. It is how business works.


And to your Game Cube bit? It worked out pretty well, except how Nintendo treated their third party support and stating something that would piss me off too had I heard it. Nintendo held itself back with going mini-disc because they didn't want to pay royalties for DVD and playback. During a time when houses were still lacking a proper DVD player where PS2 and XBOX delivered.

Nintendo is just always cutting corners. They never leave their comfort zone. That will end up killing the company in the end. Reviews for Game Cube games were pretty damn nice, but their treatment to Third Party devs that saw fans only wanted to buy Nintendo games felt the system was not worth supporting. And one need only look down from this post to see their valid concerns.

No one bought third party games and that lead to no less support. Sony and even Xbox had bigger install bases and didn't have the Zelda and Mario stuff that fans cling to so much. Fans hurt their own system by extension. And that wasn't even enough for Nintendo, they had to go out and say they didn't need third party, that they could survive on first party games alone. GG Pres.


I like to point out stupidity. I like to be expressive with my views, told in how I'd tell it to their face, as I would. While that is mostly just expressive rping to a degree, the views are usually quite real as I see them. My POV. I give no real shits if it offends loyalists and those that think their masters can do no wrong. That stuff, for me, is fun to express in a 'burst your bubble' sort of way while staying true to what I feel at that moment.

TL;DR I like cheese. (on pizza, or melted at least.... cold unmelted cheese is nasty)

telaros
telaros

@ewjiml @telaros That... was a weird FYI. And yes, Japanese are serious xenophobes case you aren't aware. Even Japanese admit this.

I am not sure what pointing out Sony, obviously Japan, who controls a massive stake in Japan's gaming market with the huge install base, and demands and threatens publishers to give them more exclusives than competitors or their game be rejected, heavily charges them just to release a game on their system, and so many other things I can go on about, has to do with what I posted here.

Sorry, not trying to actually be mean or anything. Just feel like you didn't read anything. PS3 didn't fail? Sony's main branch was heavily considering closing down the gaming section of Sony, that would be all things gaming in case I didn't make that clear.

Sony isn't  a gaming company. It has only grown a massive side business. The PS3 took a huge investment to produce, one that showed no real profit for 3, almost 4 years. This, was threatening to dip, and did, into the company's overall fiscal profits.

I won't go much further, but PS3 only got back from the fall due to pressure and threats. And the fact most japanese refuse to support non-japanese systems without being looked down on by other Japanese. Just take Namco for instance, they used Microsoft to fund their Tales series which Sony would not allow on their system or toss them a funding of any kind, yet MS gave them 200k or something like 2mil? I forgot the actual amount...

Point is Namco used that to make Tales of Vesperia, and went back to Sony, to which has a bigger install base in japan, to do another pitch, Sony demanded more sex appeal and more exclusives. Do a comparison and you'll see just how xeno these people are in the industry.


TL;DR Wut?

TenraiSenshi
TenraiSenshi

@abHS4L88 @cm94 I agree that Nintendo should continue to follow it's own trend rather than trying to match the trends of their competition, however, innovation and fancy controls will only create a great gameplay experience if there are great games that make good use of those features. Right now, the one thing the Wii-U is lacking is a good game lineup that goes beyond one or two stand-out titles. Without good games, a console will not sell, no matter how innovative or unique it is.

Humdinger80
Humdinger80

@BravoOneActual Btw sorry if I'm coming off like I'm defending Nintendo, I haven't been a fan of their games since I was in highschool but I just figured out what Nintendo is all about so the last 3 gens of bullshit consoles makes complete sense now, so I'm eager to explain why Nintendo seems so frustrating haha

Ovirew
Ovirew

@hatieshorrer @Ovirew I just think it's kind of bold (as usual) of Nintendo to basically compare their successes to their lukewarm investments, and to say that the public doesn't understand what they're doing.  I think most people understand perfectly what the Wii U can do, they just aren't interested in owning one.

bimastrike871
bimastrike871

@telaros @bimastrike871 fair enough, although you do seem a bit lonely, and no you didnt hurt my feelings lol i was annoyed by many of the things you had said. I did come off as very upset and i can see why but i didnt let it get to me, just another day on the inter webs. btw wtf are you doing with 3TBs of storage?!?! 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Strider8009

The PS2 had online play? Just kidding, I know it did but online gaming was still very much an uncommon thing during that time, with only the XBox really utilizing it. 

The Gamecube actually had pretty good 3rd party support, with a number of exclusives, mainly from Japanese 3rd parties. But yeah, it also shows that tech is not what gets developers on board since the Gamecube was clearly more powerful than the PS2. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@telaros
Uh, you do know Nintendo's probably in the healthiest spot they've been in since probably the SNES days right? Maybe your statement would've been accurate after the Gamecube, saying that it was the GBA that kept them afloat, but it's not like the Wii U is generating heavy losses for them (like how the PS3 did for Sony). They lost less than $1B this past year, out of the around $11B they have in disposable income, tell me again how that's "nearly dead?" 

How do you know no "real Nintendo games" won't be coming until next year? At E3 Nintendo will have some of their major games playable, most likely indicating that those games will come out by this year. You're judging the entirety of the console based on the first 6 months, go back and look at the first 6 months of the PS3 and tell me how amazing that system looked. The 3DS had a horrendous first half year when it launched. 

I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, but pretty much every "suggestion" you gave was a suggestion that clearly wouldn't work. 

I agree, a console's success is driven by games and usually determined after the 2nd (or 3rd) year after launch, but like I said, you're judging this console based on 6 months, especially after we've seen 2 very successful consoles floundering within the same time period. 

Nah, Nintendo has always been trying to appeal to everyone open minded enough to try out their games. If you avoid their games because you have this immature idea that playing videogames makes you "cool" and you can't be bothered with "kiddie crap" then you don't deserve to play the games Nintendo puts out. 

Even if the Gamecube had a regular disc drive, it still wouldn't support DVD playback because Nintendo has never been about charging you more for a device that you already most likely own, which is why the Wii didn't have DVD playback, or the Wii U doesn't have DVD/BluRay playback. 

It's not so much cutting corners as it is trying to provide a great product at an affordable price that the company can still profit from, which is why Nintendo has only seen its first loss in 2011, despite the Gamecube and even N64 not doing very well and which is why even if the Wii U doesn't sell well, the company will still be in a very good place. 

Again, I agree, Nintendo needs to up their game when it comes to supporting 3rd party developers as well as giving attention to 3rd party games, which I feel like they're doing with the Wii U, pretty much every 3rd party game (especially Indie games) have gotten a great deal of attention on the Wii U. 

I feel like the gaming community in general is more narrow-minded now than they ever were, with Nintendo users generally only buying Nintendo games, and Sony/Microsoft users mainly supporting the same tired types of games and pretty much avoiding unique and creative, and it's something that needs to change ASAP because developers (especially western) are becoming more and more apprehensive to taking risks because why bother putting a lot of resources into making something unique and innovative if it's going to be overlooked in favor of another generic military shooter? 

Sure there are things Nintendo does that are not immediately understandable and on some occasions, downright baffling, but at the same time, they've rarely seen failure and have always left each generation in a profitable state, so obviously they know what they're doing, which is why I don't bother b*tching about what they do (then again, I don't b*tch in general, if I don't like what a company does, I ignore it, plain and simple), but like I said, your suggestions were pretty much just as bad as what you were accusing Nintendo, if not worse. 

TL;DR I LOVE cheese, was just talking about it yesterday how I can slice off a small block of cheddar and eat it by itself. Cold melted cheese is very odd, haha.

telaros
telaros

@pip3dream @telaros @ewjiml Eh, you call it racism I call it accidentally making it sound like a broad sweet of all Japanese culture. Meh,Xenophobia has been a common thing in companies like SEGA and Square. If calling out companies like that makes me a racist then label me whatever you all please.

 Internet assumptions on my character is not a high priority on my list of cares.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@TenraiSenshi @cm94 
True, but I think it's interesting how many people seem to forget how long it takes to develop games, especially if the system is new. I guess they're too used to the whole "1 game every year" many franchises go through now. The games will come and like most consoles, will most likely start pouring out around its 1 year anniversary. 

hatieshorrer
hatieshorrer

@Ovirew @hatieshorrer  

I think youve missed the point.  If the Wii U isnt profitable Nintendo can survive on the 3DS until it is.  Nintendo is working on many exclusives for the Wii U.   Nintendo is also still a profitable company.

I cant say the same for anything Sony right now.