Minecraft creator praises SteamOS

Markus "Notch" Persson says announcement of Linux-powered OS is "amazing news."

Minecraft creator Markus "Notch" Persson has spoken out to praise Valve's announcement today of its Linux-powered operating system, SteamOS.

This is not the first time Persson has spoken critically of Windows 8. Prior to the operating system's launch last October, he said Microsoft contacted him about releasing Minecraft for Windows 8 and responded with: "I told them to stop trying to ruin the PC as an open platform."

SteamOS will launch "soon" as a free download. It has been designed for the TV and the living room, Valve said today. The Half-Life and Portal developer has two more announcements scheduled for later this week. Check out GameSpot's coverage of SteamOS for more.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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eiji1
eiji1

Windows 8 has an in-OS store. So does Android. So does iOS, so will SteamOS.

Thus, Notch is a tosser. QED


theKSMM
theKSMM

Unless Valve makes a standardized reference hardware system, using SteamOS is still going to be too much work for most console and PC gamers to bother with.  And if they do make a standardized system, then developers will intentionally target that system, perhaps at the exclusion of others.  It will be a lot like the console market without the royalties.

As for Persson, I don't give too much weight to his opinion as he's still a one-hit-wonder as far as I can tell.  Granted, it's one huge multi-million dollar hit, but it's still just the one.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

I bet Notch hasn't even used Windows 8. Just another kid hating on something he knows nothing about.

commanderxp90
commanderxp90

Value will join the big battle with those Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. It would be new fourth fraction with next-generation for the Value. I hope they better not mess up with gamers.

Tzardok
Tzardok

Death to Games for Windows, may it rot in hell.

tonypreston
tonypreston

Notch was also a vocal supporter of the ouya and look at how well he has supported that waste in actions

peteyboi29
peteyboi29

anything that takes the monopoly away from microsoft is a good thing in my book, microsoft are evil and need taking down a peg or two :) 

kel86
kel86

And then he go and working with MS with a exclusive lol

Agentbling
Agentbling

So Notch says that this is amazing news, and this is why we should care?  Yah not happening.

kik4444
kik4444

Are there gonna be compatibility issues for other games that are made for windows only and does this mean Minecraft is gonna be on steam?

komuchen
komuchen

Saving wat? So PC gaming is dying? Because I don't know how it saves entire gaming world. My PS3 playes games perfectly fine without it.

Windows 8 is not that bad, but what is utterly stupid is no traditional start button, instead you have to go to the right corner and... yeah, I don't know what they were thinking.

anakvunky
anakvunky

with all the hates.... i personally will try when its launched.... and try to judge it after i've seen it..... 

robert83a2
robert83a2

SteamOS is just another way for some rich guy to become even more wealthy...

god anyone mentiones Linux anywhere + gaming, and everyone goes crazy...

it's like These BIO Food stuff , the irony :D

This smells a lot like that other awesome Linux based console...OUYA...that noone seems to remember :)

stuff238
stuff238

Someone make a valve fanboy steam train gif with all the hermits hopping on it.

Evanrocknuma
Evanrocknuma

Ohhh.   I'll sit back and watch the compatibility of this OS for a while before adopting, but that sounds quite nice.  There's a lot I really do like about Windows 8 but they've sort of excluded techies by over-simplifying certain functions.  

Jinzo_111887
Jinzo_111887

SteamOS may come standard on new gaming laptops in the future. Alienware running SteamOS, anyone?

Glitchhawk
Glitchhawk

SteamOS is gonna be awesome. but until it gets full support for games i will be dual/tri booting with windows.

dmastor
dmastor

Awesome I haven't tried windows 8 so I really can't comment on that but it's good to have completion and people don't have to pay to upgrade OS  

rarson
rarson

I love the idea of SteamOS. However, Markus Persson is an annoying drama queen. Saving the entire gaming world? Please. He sounds like every other idiot who complains about Windows 8 without having actually tried it.

theKSMM
theKSMM

@yearssomuch I have to say, I don't understand the folks who hate Windows 8.  It doesn't take away anything from previous versions of Windows.  Other than the start menu and apps, it's the same OS you've known for years.

Lostat
Lostat

@kel86 But it's not.  At GamesCom in August, Sony announced Minecraft is coming to the PS4 as well as the Xbox-One.  The keynote footage is on YouTube.

cogadh
cogadh

@kel86 Why do you think he dislikes MS so much now? The exclusivity experience left a really bad taste.

cogadh
cogadh

@kik4444 Of course there are going to be "issues", the biggest being that unless a game is coded and compiled for Linux, it won't work on Linux at all. That's why Valve added the "in home streaming" function. Those games that currently don't work on Linux (and probably never will, especially the older ones) can be streamed from your existing Windows gaming PC to your new "do-it-yourself game console" running SteamOS, bypassing the compatibility issue. If SteamOS becomes a success and gets a significant install base, then we might start to see those major compatibility issues go away as devs start coding new games in a more platform agnostic way, then the need to rely streaming will decrease.

larkin-54
larkin-54

@kik4444 well yeah... seeing as Linux systems use OpenGL rather than DirectX 

xXl_z3r0_lXx
xXl_z3r0_lXx

@komuchen Windows 8 is VERY locked down. MS is trying to get increasingly more control over what is and is not allowed on their OS. That is why Notch says W8 is "worrying."

Hurvl
Hurvl

@anakvunky I hope The Rock will tell us whether or not it will rock :P.

komuchen
komuchen

@robert83a2 wat? Ouya is android.

Yeah, you can load up linux on it, but it will be screwy.

PS3 was better

cogadh
cogadh

@Evanrocknuma You realize this is not meant to be a replacement for your existing OS, right? It's basically a way for people to make their own TV connected console, in addition to the PC they already may have.

Jinzo_111887
Jinzo_111887

@Evanrocknuma Look into Linux and help with WINE or devote some time to ReactOS if you're wanting something to do. Both of them can help people switch from Windows to another Operating System.

xXl_z3r0_lXx
xXl_z3r0_lXx

@Jinzo_111887 
>Dell owns Alienware
>Dell is shit
Conclusion: Alienware is probably even less worth it now than it used to be

YoungCardinal
YoungCardinal

@rarson I've tried it and its just not for me. It may have a smaller resource footprint than Windows 7 and have a few tweaks and optimizations, but its a step backwards in terms of the whole user interface and experience. Some basic like navigating for apps, the charm bar, even simple things like turning off the computer require extra unnecessary steps.

MichaelJolly
MichaelJolly

@rarson His complaints about Windows 8 have nothing to do with how it is to use. His concerns are on the development side. A closed platform strips freedom from developers and customers alike. As a user of Windows 8 (Unwillingly) and a developer, I agree with him and Gaben.

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

@tonypreston @peteyboi29 Not in the slightest. SONY and Nintendo will keep their stake in the console market as-is.

It is now the PC-market that Widows dominated so far that is threatened by this.

It won't kill Windows by any measure, but it might bite hard at a small yet effective part of it's market share -- The gaming share.

neroist
neroist

@tonypreston No using a different OS hurts M$ as gaming has for the most part been defaulted to the Windows OS.

M$ makes the most of their money from the OS market. More and more they are pursuing anti-consumer practices for the lack of competition.

xXl_z3r0_lXx
xXl_z3r0_lXx

@cogadh @kik4444 Well, there's always WINE for the older games. The newer one's will have to wait for a conversion however. Some games like minecraft however already had Linux versions released long ago by some people who actually recoded/compiled it for linux. Of course some time after Mojang released an official Linux version. I think What Valve is doing MIGHT actually get more devs to start making Linux versions. Which is pretty awesome since the Linux kernel is a hell of a lot better than the Windows one. Most distros of Linux are much faster and versatile than Windows anyway. An OS specifically dedicated to gaming might even boost that a bit.

Lostat
Lostat

@larkin-54 @kik4444 Minecraft is coming out on PS4, which is a Linux-based OpenGL API, so I don't think there will be any serious problems with SteamOS's Linux-based system either.

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

@komuchen @robert83a2 "wat? Ouya is android."

And so you prove yourself an idiot.

Android is a Linux phone-based distro.

In that regard, it is no different than the Ubuntu distro for phones

cogadh
cogadh

@komuchen Android is Linux, it's just a different flavor of it.

rarson
rarson

@YoungCardinal

Most of those things were fixed with 8.1. Actually, all of those things.

rarson
rarson

@MichaelJolly

1. Windows has always been a closed platform. How exactly does Windows 8 change the situation?

2. The comments I've read, such as "no Steam app for Windows 8" seem to belie the fundamental operation of the OS. Yes, there's no Steam app, but why would anyone want one? Steam already runs as a PROGRAM. The program runs just fine on Windows 8. That Microsoft controls its app ecosystem is no different than ANY other OS that runs apps. And yet people act like it's some kind of deal-breaker for Windows 8.

I don't understand the objections from users OR developers. If anything, as far as developers are concerned, they now have MORE options as they now have an app ecosystem that they can develop for.

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

@xXl_z3r0_lXx @cogadh @kik4444 WINE is great, but isn't 100% reliable solution and alternative to Windows. It's still improving and being improved on, and the project has a tendency to advance slowly. Hell, it can take quite a bit of time before all games work right on Linux. Therer are still thousands of games and apps that work like crap even with WINE.

cogadh
cogadh

@xXl_z3r0_lXx Despite the huge gains Wine has made in recent years, it's still a crapshoot when it comes to gaming functionality. Additionally, it is not very user friendly, so while those of us who are familiar with things like scripting and terminal commands will readily use it for gaming compatibility, the so-called "average user" is not even going to try. Of course there are Wine front ends that can help, like PlayOnLinux, but we really don't know enough about how SteamOS will work with non-Steam applications to say if POL or even Wine itself are a solution. Based on the (admittedly limited) info we have available right now, the only viable Windows to Linux gaming solution on SteamOS will be the streaming option.

I agree, Valve might successfully push devs into agnostic development (they are already working on things like Linux debuggers specifically for game development), but it is all dependent on the install base. If there aren't enough of us using it, it's not worth it for the devs to pursue it. We already found that out with the release of the Linux Steam client. The only major dev/publisher putting Linux games out in any significant way since its release is Valve itself. None of the big houses are even trying (yet... hopefully). We've even started to see a slow bleed of Linux users dropping Steam, simply because they are sick of having to switch back and forth between Linux and Windows to play all their games (compare recent Steam hardware surveys). I personally dropped it off my dual-boot machine because while I do have something like 20 Linux games through Steam, the other 160-ish in my account are not available on Linux at all and those 20 also have Windows versions. I still dual-boot, but now, as in the past, all my gaming is done on Windows while everything else PC related is done on Linux. Here's hoping Valve can fix that disconnect with this Linux initiative.

xXl_z3r0_lXx
xXl_z3r0_lXx

@cogadh @komuchen Well, it's more like a kids meal. It's smaller and fills you up less [does less], but it's intended for smaller kids [devices].

rarson
rarson

@funkyzoom

They didn't remove the Start menu, they just turned it into a screen.

Why is this so hard to understand?

funkyzoom
funkyzoom

@rarson

For me, the removal of 'recent documents' on Windows 8 is a real deal breaker. After removing the start menu, they should have at least provided this 'recent documents' feature in some form.

rarson
rarson

@YoungCardinal

Actually, I do, because I do it on a regular basis. The thing is, those non-tech people have the same trouble figuring out Windows 7 as they do Windows 8. I shit you not, I have told people to click the Start button only to have them tell me "I don't have one." Mind you, some of these people were using XP, you know, the operating system with the button that actually says "Start" on it.

I don't understand the big deal with the Start screen. It serves the same exact function as the old Start menu, except that it's a screen now. I rarely ever use it since I have most of my frequently-used applications on the desktop or on the task bar (I use toolbars rather than pinning applications because I don't like how they work when pinned). When I do use the Start menu (usually for Calculator or Control Panel or something like that), I simply hit the Windows key and start typing. I can open programs that aren't on my desktop immediately using the keyboard. If you know keyboard shortcuts, then Windows 8 is a breeze.

Shutting down the computer (with 8.1) is as easy as right-clicking the Start button and selecting Shutdown. Or, you could do what I do and just push the power button on your computer.

Windows 8 runs noticeably faster than 7. My computer starts up and shuts down in about 9 seconds. I'm talking about from dead off to working desktop. In addition to the speed increase, there are actual useful enhancements, like graphing transfer speed when copying and pasting, and the ability to save your OS settings to your Microsoft account. When I installed 8.1 on my desktop, it was automatically set to match all of my settings on my laptop, which saved me about 15 minutes. There also aren't 165 updates to install immediately upon booting up a fresh install, unlike Windows 7 with SP1 (an SP2 would be nice).

There are some quirks with 8.1, which is to be expected with a preview, but overall it is fast and easy to use, with some solid improvements that fix most of the issues with 8. As far as the Start screen goes, it's not hard to use if you just treat it like the old Start menu, but if you really don't like it, you don't have to use it at all.

One thing I do hate is how it forces you to sign into your Microsoft account every time you turn it on by default, and for the average person it's going to be tricky to figure out how to disable that. And there are some other things I don't like that most people won't have to deal with, but overall it's actually a good operating system. And if you've got a laptop with a touchscreen, the touchscreen can actually be pretty convenient, unlike previous versions of Windows that basically suck with a touchscreen.

YoungCardinal
YoungCardinal

@rarson @YoungCardinal I've seen some videos on 8.1 and I'm not entirely convinced they have improved it to my liking (personal preference btw). Sure, boot to desktop is now there, but the start menu is still a simple physical button now on the taskbar that serves the exact same purpose as hovering over the bottom left corner and clicking.

I will wait for reviews and see how it is in the official release, but I'm still sticking to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.

You have no idea how hard it is to teach/explain to a non-tech savvy person how to use Windows 8.

rarson
rarson

@neroist

No, the reason that Metro exists is because all previous versions of Windows sucked with a touchscreen. Windows 8 was designed to work with both tablets and computers. The app store exists because Microsoft wants to compete with Apple, Google, and everyone else who has an app store (that, and Windows RT doesn't run programs, so obviously they need apps or the OS would be useless).

The Start button still exists. It's there. It operates exactly the same as it used to, only instead of a menu it gives you a screen. I know this may be hard to understand if you only have a couple of brain cells to rub together, but anyone of reasonable intelligence should be able to figure it out within a few seconds.

Anyone who complains about Windows 8 needs to learn some hotkeys. If you can navigate Windows using only a keyboard, then Windows 8 is a breeze.

neroist
neroist

@rarson Yeah the whole reason for the Metro UI is to sell you apps. Forcing us to boot to it and navigate with it. Stripping out the functional Start button that was efficient and compact, to try and sell me things....no thanks.