Minecraft creator Notch on why he doesn't like Facebook in the wake of Oculus buyout

Developer says "Facebook is not a company of grass-roots tech enthusiasts."

Minecraft creator Markus "Notch" Persson has shed additional light on why Minecraft will no longer be developed for the Oculus Rift, following Facebook's acquisition of developer Oculus VR earlier today.

Following the announcement, Notch tweeted that plans for a Minecraft version of Oculus had been cancelled as a result of the deal.

Writing on notch.net, the developer states, "Facebook is not a company of grass-roots tech enthusiasts."

"Facebook is not a game tech company. Facebook has a history of caring about building user numbers, and nothing but building user numbers. People have made games for Facebook platforms before, and while it worked great for a while, they were stuck in a very unfortunate position when Facebook eventually changed the platform to better fit the social experience they were trying to build."

He maintains that while virtual reality can be a suitable platform for social media, he "[does not] want to work with social," nor with Facebook, stating that "their motives are too unclear and shifting".

Notch himself contributed $10,000 to the Oculus Rift kickstarter project in 2012, an investment he says he did not make "to seed a first investment round to build value for a Facebook acquisition."

For more on the impact of Facebook's acquisition of Oculus VR, check out GameSpot's feature.

A version of Minecraft for the Oculus Rift is still available on the Oculus website, renamed "Minecrift."

Zorine Te is an associate editor at GameSpot, and you can follow her on Twitter @ztharli
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donnylicious
donnylicious

This will cause major problems IMO ... for Kickstarter. It just sets a negative precedent. People will start to be weary of future startups. I'm referring to the big spenders like Notch, not the couple bucks here and there. If it were me, I know I would not want to invest 10k in a product so someone else can sell it for 2 billion and i get nothing out of it lol.

noandno
noandno

Now I'm planning to buy Minecraft

Mraou
Mraou

Happy days! Killing the love for Occulus Rift and Minecraft in a span of 2 days!

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

God, am I the only one sick of Notch's overzealous ego? He thinks he knows everything.

This is the same man who, when asked for help from Microsoft to certify Minecraft for Windows 8, said 'I'd rather have Minecraft not run on win8 at all than to play along', pushing his own self-appointed agenda by supposedly e-mailing Microsoft to tell them to 'stop trying to ruin the PC as an open platform'. When if he had actually tried using Windows 8 before running his fat mouth, he'd realize that it's almost exactly the same as every other Windows OS to ever release.

Granted, I don't like that Facebook managed to acquire Oculus VR either, but do people honestly, genuinely believe that it will no longer receive any sort of support in the form of video games? Absolutely not. Everything Notch ever says, every single thing, I take with a grain of salt, and I would even go as far as to believe the exact opposite. The fat dummy makes a indie hit and suddenly thinks he is the smartest man on the planet. Am I the only one who sees this?

CriticalCritic
CriticalCritic

Nark Fuckerberg strikes again. The Glyph VR is looking better and better every day.

spartanx169x
spartanx169x

I'm beginning to think that the creators of OR realized it was going to turn out like WII U's tablet and decided to take the money while they could. Although, I will say again. I can see huge potential for OR in the porn industry.

ahpuck
ahpuck

"to seed a first investment round to build value for a Facebook acquisition." My favorite line.

nigelholden
nigelholden

The end of Oculus in one corporate motion.

Marz10
Marz10

Notch is so right.  Oculus just went from interesting to facepalm.

DarkJedi8_basic
DarkJedi8_basic

This Notch dude might be a tool, but he isn't wrong.  This sums it up perfectly:

Notch himself contributed $10,000 to the Oculus Rift kickstarter project in 2012, an investment he says he did not make "to seed a first investment round to build value for a Facebook acquisition."

Thats exactly what OR did.

Seryll
Seryll

Next up: Twitter purchases Star Citizen. Rebranding incoming, the more followers you have the larger fleet you command?

Ice-Cube
Ice-Cube

They have lost my complete respect for Oculus VR. Did they really care about their product or did they just want to make a quick buck? 

Pewbert
Pewbert

He was very careful in the way he told Facebook to go f**k themselves!

korvus
korvus moderator

Minecrift, really? I didn't really enjoy Minecraft but do they seriously think many people will rather play an old version with Occulus than continue to receive updates?

Devils-DIVISION
Devils-DIVISION

Glad I never backed this on kickstarter. I really do feel sorry for the people who threw their money at this. 

Sony, make that new VR something special for gaming!

HapiJoel
HapiJoel

I don't really want what I see and do on the Oculus pasted all over my Facebook page...just like I don't like Google insisting I join up my email, youtube and searching habits to be pasted all over the Google+ account they forced me to have.


Facebook and Google started out saying they were the guys to trust against the massive corporations, but now they're the biggest Weyland-Yutani-like corporate threat to our privacy out there. Their interest in securing themselves against the NSA is only in their own interest, to gain your confidence and keep you on their websites.


Massive loss of respect for the Oculus guys now, this was a bad move, gamers don't trust Facebook and they've probably lost a large market now...

BelaidKL
BelaidKL

I guess you could say his points of views are.... Top Notch....

trente
trente

@charlievo Insightful, concise analysis there, combined with razor-sharp wit and clever word-play. Good job.

adwerk
adwerk

@yearssomuch Cant really blame him for having his priciples. He like opensource platforms, windows 8 and facebook is anything but. Oculus seemed like a product that (like opensource) was mainly driven by passion rathen then dollars, and tho the passion is still there, its gonna be chained by self interrest and shareholders surplus.


You need to look no further then the games industry, where developers are overruled and treated like sh*t by the publishers in the hunt for em greens.

Nepti
Nepti

Notch makes some very pointed and sober comments. Pretty sure this does not rise to accusing the man of having an ego.

deathblow3
deathblow3

@yearssomuch what windows 8 is nothing like other os's windows 8 sucks. you lost all creditibilty with that statement. windows 8 has no place on a pc only on a tablet. and no one but maybe you likes this facebook buyout of the oculus rift they will ruin it as a device.

jhpiv4
jhpiv4

He's doing what he loves. He would have joined them even after this.

ziproy
ziproy

@ahpuck It's true though. Why did we give them money, have them invent and create this thing, and then sell out right before they release it.


It's kind of a bait and switch

noandno
noandno

@Seryll  lol but seriously please don't do that, Twitter!

bignick217
bignick217

@Seryll Oh crap, I hope that never happens and truly doubt it will.  You see, Chris Roberts controls that company outright.  And given his previous history with Origin (bought out by EA), where he lost his IP to Wing Commander and Digital Anvil (bought out by Microsoft), where he lost his IP for Starlancer and Freelancer.  He's learned his lessons the hard way.  Now that Chris is at the top of his own company, there's no way in hell he's ever going to let go anytime soon.

heraSKK
heraSKK

@Seryll  haha, this is almost funny, if it weren't spooky. god forbid that should happen! 

deathblow3
deathblow3

@Devils-DIVISION why i will never support kick starter. everything that was suppose to be great and the next big thing has either still not come out or pretty much failed so far.

ziproy
ziproy

@BelaidKL Your 19 likes are well deserved. Keep up the good work

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@Nepti I'm basing my opinion regarding Notch's ego on the many previous times where he has totally contradicted himself to the point of total hypocrisy and embarrassment. Every time Notch is in the headlines, there's a good chance he's talking about things he doesn't understand very well.

Besides that, this is all speculation. No one knows yet whether or not Facebook buying Oculus is going to be good, or bad.. everyone is merely making assumptions. I'm not saying his points aren't exactly valid, I'm saying we need to wait for this to play out a little further than the first 24 hours after the announcement before the wild assumption is made that Oculus is no longer a gaming peripheral, that gaming is no longer the focus of Oculus, that Oculus has devolved from being a product with huge potential to nothing more than a cash grab, simply because Facebook acquired them and suggested they had other uses in mind. Just because they plan on adapting the hardware into more things than just games doesn't mean that it's no longer a gaming peripheral.. Hell, before Facebook bought it, I'm sure they had plenty of different ideas to apply to Oculus that went far beyond just 'vidya gamez'.

As I've said in many previous comments, I'm not exactly a fan of this acquisition.. I would much prefer Oculus had remained on its own rather than hand over ownership of their company to a mega-corporation in exchange for massive sums of cash. But people need to give this just a little bit more of a chance before they go crazy with rage. As of right now, people are riding high on the horse of Speculation, with no actual basis in fact or reality.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@DarkJedi8_basic @yearssomuch Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's right either. To be honest, this acquisition could go either way.. it could make the accessibility of the product easier because of its buyout from a popular company, or it could crash and burn, completely ruining any potential Oculus ever had in the first place. But there's no way to know with certainty prior to either of these two things actually occurring. What I do know, is that Notch is an egotistical know-it-all who has already proven to me, on multiple occasions, what an awful hypocrite he is, and how quick he is to run his mouth about things he knows absolutely nothing about.


But I'm thinking that with a $2,000,000,000 investment, they have some sort of desire to treat it seriously. Granted, $1.6 billion of that is in Facebook stocks, but couldn't anyone attached to Oculus that's getting some of these stocks feasibly cash out right now?

bakasora
bakasora

Oh you won an argument in the internet. Here have a cookie.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@deathblow3 @yearssomuch Seriously, are you delusional? I specifically said in my comment that I don't like that Facebook got OR. You'd know that if instead of raging with hate, you decided to read my comment in its entirety.


Have you actually used Win8? The only part of the OS that is 'touchscreen-oriented' is the Start Menu, which is just as easy to use with a point-and-click mouse. From there you can access the Desktop, which, from that point on, is identical to absolutely any and every Windows operating system that came before it. In fact, more often than not, you don't have to deal with any of the 'new' design Windows 8 employs, and can in fact, operate the OS exactly the same as every other version of Windows. It's still Windows, but unfortunately most people are too stuck up their own asses to give it enough of a chance to see that it's actually not THAT bad.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@ziproy I mean, is it though? Honestly, I see where you're coming from and what you mean, but from the viewpoint of the consumer, what is the difference? As long as Facebook doesn't force Oculus to make major changes to the hardware, to the point that it's not even the same product, then really, there is no difference.

Besides, they were given $2 billion in exchange for the rights to allow Facebook to be the one that sells it.. they still get to make the product and they get a huge amount of cash in the process. Couldn't they feasibly use a portion of that 2$ billion for funding on the Oculus?

CrouchingWeasel
CrouchingWeasel

@yearssomuch @sortajan@deathblow3 

You're an idiot & for thinking that people shouldn't have more important things to do with their day than post replies ad nauseam to someone who thinks that they know it all you're arrogant & narcissistic to boot. Get a life.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@JazzFromHell @yearssomuch What do you mean? The only program I ever had trouble running was Rhapsody, and even then I'm still not sure if the issues I was having was something to do with Windows 8, or if it was something going on with my laptop. Either way, it miraculously began working one day, and has been fine every since.

The only game that I can think of that gave me huge issues was the first Max Payne, but I'm pretty sure there are known issues with that game not working on Windows 7 just as well. With the right amount of tweaking you can get it running, but I experience zero sound in the graphic novel cutscenes, nor can I hear Max, at any point in the game.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@sortajan No, it's childish to generalize me into a neatly labeled group of people, a group of people he clearly meant to insult me with by association, based on one minor opinion regarding one particular product. It's childish to read half of my comment, then go on to make wild assumptions about me, when said assumptions are clearly dis-proven in the same post he opted to ignore.

I was never gloating, nor did I claim to 'win'.. whatever that means. I was merely pointing out the fact that I debunked everything he had to say regarding his linear mentality towards something he seems to not know much about, or at the very least something he has been misinformed about. Which was then followed by some simple suggestions for his 'future debates', suggestions dictated by logic. If that's your definition of 'gloating', then yeah, I guess I am one to gloat.

Plus, it's been almost 5 hours now. On GameSpot, if the conversation dies in an hour in the comments section on a news article, then the conversation is more or less done with. Of course, this isn't always the case, mostly just rule of thumb, but I'm pretty confident in saying that most people aren't coming back to check the comments of a week-old news article in hopes of finding active discussion.

However, I wholeheartedly welcome a response from him, I am genuinely curious what else he would have to say. I'm not trying to 'win' an argument, I'm practicing the art of discussion with someone who has a clearly conflicting viewpoint. But you're right, maybe I was a little brash in my last post.

I'm going to go with the assumption that @deathblow3is going to come back around to see my posts and follow with a rebuttal. We'll see if that is the case or not soon enough, I suppose.

sortajan
sortajan

@yearssomuch It's childish to attack someone for not making a comeback, and it's childish to gloat about winning an argument (not saying you did or didn't). Also, 45 minutes isn't enough time to decide whether or not someone has disappeared. Maybe he'll respond tomorrow, or in a week, or when he gets around to it. Maybe he won't.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

So now that I've debunked everything you had to say, you disappear into obscurity? That's about what I expected.

Next time, if you're going to run your mouth about things you don't know anything about (like Notch, ironically), you could at least try practicing punctuation, or at the very least, arguments that are actually based on truth, not hearsay and misinformation.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@deathblow3 @yearssomuch Jesus Christ, you are honestly the worst kind of person.

First off, if it wasn't designed for PC's, why is it that practically any and all programs that work on previous versions of Windows work perfectly fine on Win8? Aside from very, very old programs that weren't even designed for Windows XP, I've had incredibly minor issues running any program I choose to run, and nearly all of those problems were either during Win8's release, or were issues that were specific to my PC, the hardware I run it on. Any program that worked on Windows 7 works exactly the same on Windows 8.

Second of all, what do you mean you can't close 'certain things', and that they 'stay open in the background'? You do realize that Win8 has a Task Manager, same as every other Windows OS that came before it, and is capable of shutting off any app, any service, and any background process you choose to.. right?

Thirdly, the 'iOS' design you refer to is entirely avoidable.. I practically never see it. Once you're on your Desktop, it is, more or less, identical to Windows 7. The design you're referring to is really only on the Start Menu, so with this in mind, what exactly is your problem with it?

Fourth and foremost, Windows 8 is universally hated? Yeah, maybe, but the majority of people I've seen bashing Windows 8 make it very clear that they've never actually had a hands-on experience with it, or they wouldn't spend so much time focusing on the design of the Start Menu as being a valid excuse to sling mud at the operating system as a whole. Especially when you consider the fact that, again, once you click on the Desktop button, the OS is almost a reflective mirror in terms of functionality when compared to Win7.


Oh, and one more thing. I like how you assume that because I don't find Windows 8 to be the piece of garbage everyone else perceives it to be, I must be a part of the casual crowd. It's cute, and quite adorable really, how you take a minor opinion of mine and use it to generalize my behavior, and my character. Can you understand, with this in mind, how incredibly difficult it is to take anything you say seriously?

deathblow3
deathblow3

@yearssomuch i know how windows 8 works sir, my son has it and it sucks thats why it cheaper than 7. it is not designed for pc's plain and simple very few people like it and most probably just nuked it of there pc's in favor of a better os. and no it is not the same as every other os, you can't even close certain things once they are opened they stay open in the back ground. it is a horrible design for an os in try to make it like windows and ios they lost there way. win8 is universally hated by almost all tech guys out there, i'm glad you like it whats next you going to say ios games are better than pc and console games. lol