Microsoft warns against Xbox Live sharing

XBL director of programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb tells users not to tamper with their gamerscores or jointly own a Live account--or else!

Microsoft's Larry Hryb, aka Major Nelson, has told gamers on his blog not to share their accounts with friends or tamper with game saves.

The Xbox Live director of programming stated that those who refused to heed his warnings could find that they permanently lose their account. Hryb says that some gamers are giving in to the temptation to give their account ID and password to people in return for promises to build up their score on games such as Halo 3.

But, says Hryb, it's just not worth it--just say no. He writes, "While it may be appealing, in addition to violating the Xbox Live terms of use, it can also result in you permanently losing your account. If that 'friend' of yours decides not [to] return your account and buys a bunch of Arcade titles and movies on your account, there is nothing we can do except cancel the account since you willingly shared your information... Cancelled. As in you can never get it back. In addition to losing your Gamertag, you'll also lose your Gamerscore, saved games, and any points you have on the account."

While on the subject, Hryb also commented on the dangers of using "nefarious techniques" to increase gamerscores and obtain achievements. He said, "Let me be more clear: If you use tampered gamesaves to boost your Achievements and Gamerscore, you may sign in to Xbox LIVE one day and discover that we have removed your Gamerscore. Once we do that, you will never be able to re-earn those achievements on that account. Even worse, you might have your account and/or console banned from Xbox Live."

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256 comments
yimimoto
yimimoto

Guys, he is talking about sharing your account information with people online. Not with your friends or people who live with you. There are people who offer to do achievements for you. I think there is even a website for it. This is being enforced to let people think twice before giving some guy online your account information. And also getting gamesaves on your harddrive to boost your gamerscore is lamo anyway.

jaredrichards3
jaredrichards3

lol what ever!! how they going to prove it!! i wonder if anyone has ever been banned because they were suspect of doing this when in actual fact they were innocent.

Squeets
Squeets

wow i hope i dont get banned... i dont even own gears of war anymore but i somehow got the online achievements and i never earned them myself accept a few a while back... same with guitar hero... i never even played that game yet i have achievements in it...

CoRiNi
CoRiNi

I don't think it's a big deal having a big gamerscore .. I've been seeing people even play kids games just to widen their gamerscore and that's completely ridiculous isn't it ? it wouldn't be fun if you haven't got your gamerscore on your own.

Sandro909
Sandro909

Yeah, that's really gonna stop people. -_-

Batch86
Batch86

I understand cracking down on sharing accounts when the people are doing it to boost their gamerscore (because they're **** but my roommates all gave me money towards getting an Xbox live account because they knew that they were going to want to play online in games like Halo. It all works out because we can play social matches and nobody gets hurt. If they want to earn achievements and be recognized I simply give them their money back and they buy their own gamertag... it's not that complicated.

RadTbag
RadTbag

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Absolutezerr
Absolutezerr

When people ask me if I want to do an "achievement match" when I play Halo 3, I just laugh in their faces. Honestly, the achievements in that game are easy, I got all the online ones in my first 2 days with the game. To get an overkill, play team slayer on construct, and wait for the whole enemy team to camp at the top of the purple grav lift. Get flamethrower. That's all there is to it. It is the fault of Developers for making impossible achievements like that one in Shadowrun where you have to kill the entire enemy team by yourself without being hit. I like achievements, because they flesh out my time with a game, and when the tasks they lay down are actually doable, I try to get as many as possible. I would never have played through CoD2 on veteran if there weren't achievements for it, but doing so made me spend a lot more time with the game, and play it like a tactical shooter. Honestly, what does your gamerscore mean? If I have 1000g for beating CoD2 on veteran, and another 1000 for doing EVERYTHING IN OBLIVION, and someone else has the same amount for playing through TMNT and Cars, you realize that the number itself is meaningless. It is a gimmick to make us buy 360 games over PS3 ones if they are multiplatform and you have enough money to afford both consoles. For the record, I have 7000 gamerscore, and I own 19 games, including arcade titles.

clawboy
clawboy

Someone had better send Gilbert Arenas an email about this topic.

aramitz
aramitz

Surely the smartest first step would be to somehow link an unlocked achievement to the users gamertag or console. That way if someone copied it over to another machine/user it would flag up the next time that they connected to XBL. Maybe I'm being naive but It can't be that hard to set up, similar protection seems to work fine for the purchased marketplace content afterall. Also maybe insta-ban certain accounts showing on M.G.C. that have every country under the sun associated with their username. Fair play some people do have Japanese / American / European consoles to play imports with the same gamertag. But would they buy a console for every country in the EU union? I don't think so.

JimBurber
JimBurber

You saying that my room mates HAVE to buy their own xbox live accounts? yeah... as if!!!!

KIA_sneak
KIA_sneak

I realy don't see how this changes much. I love earning achievements but only to challange myself to get them. I know im never gunna beat the guy with every xbox game under the sun so why bother cheating.

dennis8
dennis8

yikes... too bad for those who got caught already (if any).. ive actually never tried going online with my xbox, the card is still festering sumwhere.. if i need to go try a new game that uses live i go to my friend's place (my connection is too slow).. those who stop hacking right away, lives to play another day, stop while theres still time :)

daultimate
daultimate

This is another reason why I won't be apart of online gaming. I don't own a 360 but I do own the Xbox and I have never taken part in XBL. There is always stipulations with stuff you purchase when it comes to Microsoft. You buy a Xbox and it has DVD capabilities but you need to purchase the remote to play DVDs. You buy a 360 and you need to purchase HDMI components to get HD quality picture. You purchase XBL and you can only play it. How about making a system that doesn't kill over after awhile. I will get a 360 w/o XBL when they make a Service Pack 2 for it.

Megawizard
Megawizard

"or console banned from Xbox Live" I hate to be mean, but with the sheer number of console failures, that's kinda moot.

Viron_Berserker
Viron_Berserker

That's kinda vague. I mean god, if they don't want people doing that maybe they should make that much harder for people to boost. If its something ridiculous, then who cares. Just let people boost. Or better yet, devs can just NOT put that crap into the game.

Ra-Devil
Ra-Devil

This is still slightly silly. I mean, some of the achievements are rediculous to get, or are just an achievement like, "Play for 50+ Hours,".... so if I left my game on for 50 hours, would I be cheating or boosting? Sometimes it's just one of those, "Coincidence" achievements, where they will happen once in a blue moon my complete accident, or because you were really lucky, not necessrily good at your game or because you did something over and over. Other than those sorts of achievements, yeah, boosting's bad. Like, "Get 15 Sniper Kills in a single match," ala R6V, don't cheat for it, just earn it. "Do this simple task 100 times," sure, boost to your hearts content (in my opinion), so long as it's not earning kills or points in a Ranked Match of a sort, do whatever it takes, because most of the time, this "simple task" in question is something you won't do 100 times unless you purposefully do it 100 times FOR the achievement. Oh, and sharing accounts is bad, m'kay.

dark_rage864
dark_rage864

MasterChief725 ur absoloutly rite, omg yeh it's about time........ :D

johnnyq451
johnnyq451

I've only boosted achivements once I think. We held a match in shadowrun to get some achievments and I felt bad doing it. If your a true gamer it will just feel embarrassing when people ask you about that achivement. That was my first and last time boosting. Im glad that they finally are cracking down on all of this stuff.

lil_d_mack_314
lil_d_mack_314

sounds like there finally cracking down. now maybe they can do something about people playing GoW on XBL and holding achievement matches. man if you suck you suck theres no way around it people on XBL will figure out "how the hell you got those achievements sooner or later"

icebergstorm
icebergstorm

... and I think Larry speaks about sharing "account" with "friends" to unlock gamerpoints, more than to your family member (I mean if your brother/sister can do it, why ask your friends, right?), beside are they gonna start tagging electronic device to every single online gamer (including member of your family playing online?) ... I don't think so :P

icebergstorm
icebergstorm

comment @ mcuth: LMAO to you, dude! that's so true!! or you forgot, renting games? or swapping games? :P so when people see what games you've played you got a gazillion list of games? renting/swapping games is not exactly new, it's just a public secret to gain more gamerpoints, cheaper than buying new games, ain't it, people ? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I speak for everyone, everywhere, of all time when I say "Who gives a flying piece of crap about gamerscores." Oh, apparently I don't speak for everyone, since so many people seemed entranced by them. Why is this? A high gamerscore doesn't indicate any amount of skill. It's merely an indicator of how much money you've spent at Blockbuster.

ratradler
ratradler

Next they will start installing hidden camera's on each 360 to make sure only one person is using a gamertag.

Hikaru_Isamu
Hikaru_Isamu

Just a prime example of Microsoft throwing their weight around.

Azhar85
Azhar85

don't care about that....

sieg6529
sieg6529

I still don't think this is going to affect friends sharing an account. As long as things stay amicable, I don't think they would be caught.

lamprey263
lamprey263

I broke 10,000 sometime just after Halo 3 came out :D

Bart247
Bart247

It's a good thing Microsoft put the hammer down. Now, what to do with Sony and Nintendo...

MrSickVisionz
MrSickVisionz

@ctg & @j_g Achievements are a major part of X-Box Live. Its part of its cool factor and is a major selling point for the service. When you start to let people scam their way to the top, it devalues the whole thing. When anyone can just cheat their way to the top and have the biggest/baddest gamerscore, you've made gamerscores irrelevant. Its like when you go on madden boards and you see the #1 guy with like 200 wins... all against the same person... who mysteriously forfeited every time. You make it worthless. MS is trying to avoid that from happening to the entire system.

Bowb4meuno2do
Bowb4meuno2do

Yes,yes yes ban all cheaters from Xbox Live. I played legit, and I earned my measly little 295 points. :)

ctg867
ctg867

I swear, Sony comes back at E3 and drops all these big bombs, but they really did faulter recently. Some good news (40GB PS3 etc), but a lot of negatives. Lot's of games being pushed back and what not. And Microsoft has the chance to repair their image of being that company who sells lots of games but has a lot of broken consoles. Not to mention all the other complaints about them overpricing everything and all the horrible customer support. But instead they waste their time worrying about people who would rather have some fun achievements, rather then awful ones (see: the overwhelming majority of Halo 3 achievements), so they hand their accounts to a friend in order to get that special unlockable (in Halo 3, I'm talking about armor variants) they can ONLY get by getting stupid achievements. Kinda pathetic if you ask me. How about you start pushing Mass Effect and made sure you rake in more money rather then letting Sony and Nintendo gain any more ground.

lamprey263
lamprey263

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Adam_the_Nerd
Adam_the_Nerd

Finally; a crackdown on those retarded hackers.

scorpi13
scorpi13

Good decision by Microsoft. I'm all for it. If anybody out there is trying to hack X-Box Live inn order to get more Achievement Points, they must be punished! End of story.

J_G_Pliskin
J_G_Pliskin

cheating in online multiplayer games is DEAD WRONG and should be punishable by death...however, if someone has found a way to make there gamerscore higher by some kind of hack, why the hell should i care??? another persons gamerscore has nothing to do with me and has no effect on my live account so what is really the big del here? i have destroyed many egos in multiplayer games because they thought they were the king of game because of a high gamerscore in comparison to my humble gamerscore....lets get real!

Soupass1
Soupass1

shut da hell up gundumb rx 69

pianoman4life
pianoman4life

It's not satisfying to get achievements that you didn't earn. It's a lot more fun to get it yourself. Plus, we haven't had a second reward contest, so I'm not seeing a huge deal with this. Can we have another reward thingy so I can get free stuff again? That was cool!

MrSickVisionz
MrSickVisionz

Seems like as long as you aren't a blatant cheater, all is right with the world.

cid67
cid67

what about items purchased on xbox live. if they cancel my account wouldn't they be effectively taking my paid for items from me. that sounds alot like theft. in effect what you are doing by sharing your account is not theft because everything on that account is paid for so how is this right. the messed up thing is that if you look at many license agreements for software now days you will find that what you are buying isn't a copy of the software but merely the right to use the software. just one more reason i am not to thrilled about the idea of having all my programs and games linked to big brother so to speak. hooray for on demand content (sarcasm).

ratchet51
ratchet51

yes I hate sufoor and going 2 get banned YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

prioritymail
prioritymail

OMG, these are quite "major" consequences...

MetalZombieII
MetalZombieII

steveguttenberg, now you're just being silly, that has nothing to do with what he is talking about. Sharing and hacking are both lame, earn your score, that's half the fun.

raahsnavj
raahsnavj

Figured it would happen. Those that have had the system since launch will always be at the top. Those joining up this christmas would like to play along... so they share. Don't have any friends, start hacking. Online gaming provides nothing but someone smarter than an AI to play against, all this points stuff is just BS. Imagine having your console banned from live, that's like losing all the value of the 360 right there.

steveguttenberg
steveguttenberg

Sometimes my friends come over to play my 360 with me, and sometimes they get achievements. Is Major Nelson going to break my door down?

Dungeoncrawler1
Dungeoncrawler1

As far as I'm concerned, this is good news. I just wish the person I start playing for example, Madden 08 would finishe a game instead of handing it off to someone else so they can get a win! Be man enough to accept a defeat and quit being a wuss!

ardandil
ardandil

uhmmm.... this is what i mean when i say that the whole online bss dont fit quite well

Waskallywabbit
Waskallywabbit

Its not just about gamer score here...while those of us that actually do enjoy the achievements and the drive to get a higher score find this activity repulsive, the biggest issue is having someone else use your profile which is skewing the real abilities of those paired for matches. Who wants to find people have advanced into matches they don't belong in due to their True Score not being true. Also, for people who would go through the trouble to cheat on something that has no real benefit, who wants to play with them anyway? Talk about a total lack of sportsmanship. These are the same people you want to kick from your average match anyway. Thanks, Microsoft. While it may seem trite on the surface, cheaters like this need to be humiliated.

jtparsons54
jtparsons54

This makes things a bit more fair. Nice.