Microsoft revving up new Project Gotham Racing?

Publisher said to be seeking an independent European studio to craft new installment in highly regarded Xbox-exclusive street racing franchise.

Source: UK industry news site Develop.

What we heard: Bizarre Creations very nearly had Project Gotham Racing 4 out the door in 2007 when Activision announced its acquisition of the British studio. Since then, Microsoft's highly acclaimed Xbox-exclusive street racer has lain dormant, with Bizarre going on to create the Blur franchise for Activision, as well as assuming development duties on this week's James Bond 007: Blood Stone.

However, if a Develop report is to be believed, Microsoft may soon be parking the next PGR in a new developer's garage. According to the UK-based industry news site, Microsoft is currently shopping the PGR series around to "several European independent studios," with the goal of releasing a new installment on the Xbox 360.

Project Gotham Racing will apparently live beyond Bizarre Creations.

Specific studios were not named as part of Develop's report. However, the fact that Microsoft is looking to have the game created at an independent studio in Europe seems to rule out the publisher's own suburban Seattle-based Turn 10 studio, which creates the Forza series.

Though both Forza and PGR feature licensed cars from manufacturers throughout the world, they have different racing environments. Whereas Forza focuses on more track-based races, the Bizarre Creations-led racer emphasizes urban environments, with examples from PGR4 including Tokyo, Shanghai, and New York City.

The official story: "Microsoft does not comment on rumors or speculation."--A Microsoft representative.

Bogus or not bogus?: Looking not bogus. PGR is one of Microsoft's most highly rated, system-exclusive franchises, and it makes sense that the multimillion-unit series will eventually make its comeback.

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NetFink
NetFink

I hope they get .. maybe Codemasters to do it.. Seems like a good fit. Can anyone hint at another Dev perhaps that'd be good for this series?

digi-demon
digi-demon

If its not being developed by Bizzare then I'm sorry to say...its not a PGR

DCUltrapro
DCUltrapro

@IrshDrkWlf Ok well thats fair enough but at the end of the day like I said... handling is a complicated issue, personally I like less realistic handling because I find it less of a chore to get round tight corners, I don't enjoy having to slow down to a crawl to make it round but PGR isn't as strict as forza for example, if your going to fast on Forza you simply end up off the track, you HAVE to break heavily. but with PGR its much easier as you can handbrake and, if you practice enough you can become pretty damn good at it on even the tightest corners, anyway handling is all to do with personal preference at the end of the day, if you don't like it then fair play, that doesn't make it a crap game

Taylorgc2004
Taylorgc2004

The should develop it as a launch title for the Xbox 720 instead.

cf_Kage
cf_Kage

I'm sure they'll hand it to the company that will do the game the most justice, but I always find it sad when a company passes over a prized game from the past... I only have to think about Crash Bandicoot to feel down; When Naughty Dog passed the game over to Activision. It was never the same

isshiah
isshiah

Cool! i bought both PGR3 and 4 so this is good news. i really like the urban tracks in this series (especially the English track)..it's a lot of fun to play.

awarriorg
awarriorg

Forza 3 - no fun, no sense of speed. PGR4 - stylish, sense of speed, and fun (A.I., teams, WX changing, better dash view, more memorable tracks...I'll keep going.

imsofly406
imsofly406

Nice PGR is one of my favorite arcade racing games. Forza is my favorite racing game but i like the motorcycles and getting KUDOS!!!

campbell153
campbell153

I like PGR and Forza, PGR i found was more acrcade like, but it just gives you standard supercars to rev the hell out of in a number of race types and challenges!!! happy days!!!

ninjaroach81
ninjaroach81

@IrshDrkWlf Forza works better than PGR because Forza is more sim-oriented, while PGR is more of an arcade racer. Personally, I prefer Forza, because it is more realistic and you don't have all the silly arcade-type challenges that PGR does; Forza, like GT, is all about the racing. PGR is closer to Need For Speed than Forza or GT.

NND1
NND1

Bring It!

okassar
okassar

Personally, I like more realistic games like Forza and GT, but I could see the appeal of the arcade/fun style of PGR. It's always good to have a couple choices.

sambob530
sambob530

Cool, this and Forza are my two favourite Xbox-exclusive franchises. I hope whatever studio takes the job does it well.

IrshDrkWlf
IrshDrkWlf

@dcultrapro I never said I played Forza only said it looked like it worked better. I have played a lot of racing games and PGR had one of the worst handling in a racing game. It may have improved in the 4th title, but previous titles the controls were stiff and lackluster. It was difficult to make turns even after slowing without hitting the outside wall of the corner. This means handling is poor and needs improvement. NFS and PGR maybe different styles, but overall NFS gives a better driving experience and the cars handle much better.

jay_rock_
jay_rock_

Pass never really like that racing game my style is more of test drive and GT..

Pete5506
Pete5506

I wouldn't mind seeing a PGR 5, I know its no Forza or GT but I still had a good time with PGR 4

SnakeEyesX80
SnakeEyesX80

The thing is Bizarre Creations was the reason PGR (MSR for Dreamcast fans) was even popular. They created an amazing series. So just because MS is slapping PGR on the cover, it's not going to be a "true" PGR game. It'll be like how MS handled the Crackdown series. The 2nd one was decent, but basically was Crackdown 1.5. Since Real Time Worlds moved on to do APB on the PC, Ruffian was tasked with carrying on the series. They basically just tweaked what RTW had already created. All MS is going to do is find some developer that can just continue off of BCs PGR framework. I don't think any non-Bizarre Creation PGR are going to be very good. I hope I'm wrong because this is one of my favorite series next to Colin McRae Rally and TOCA!

DCUltrapro
DCUltrapro

@IceJester45 Your guess is as good as mine mate... I have tried to put the same point across myself but no one seems to listen... the only similarity is that the 2 games both involve cars on roads.... GT5 is a pure driving sim, everything is geared towards realism... PGR is about fun, they are totally different types of game so stop with the stupid GT is better comments because they just prove how dim you people are

zidan4000
zidan4000

oh god please let that be true, PGR4 was a blast to play and had an atmosphere of its own , I really wish that PGR5 will be for real.

paullywog
paullywog

uh, why? ms should focus on new franchises, not a racer that will have piddly sales.

IceJester45
IceJester45

What's with the GT/PGR debate? GT5 and PGR are comparable only in the sense that they are both racing games. Both series' represent very different takes on the genre. GT is a sim. PGR is an arcade racer. There is room for both in one's library. Otherwise, it wouldn't make much sense for Microsoft to publish and sell both Forza and PGR. The company would just be competing with itself.

gskywalker09
gskywalker09

@UltimateRAGEX agreed. Gran Turismo is better

DCUltrapro
DCUltrapro

@UltimateRAGEX Ok well fair dos if you have both... but you can understand my assumption, as is the norm on this site, most people who come on a 360 game comments board mentioning a franchise from ps3 don't own both consoles. Personally I hate Gran Turismo but bear in mind that this has nothing to do with it being Sony or PS3 and purely comes from the fact that I am quite shockingly bad at driving sim games lol, were I to spend the time on getting to love driving sims I'm sure it would be my favourite game on the planet. But my final points stands anyway, the two series have no comparison, one is a straight sim with 100% realistic physics etc while the other is somewhat realistic (More so that NFS or Burnout certainly) but it chooses to give a decidely Arcade/Urban feel rather than purely on the race track. Which is why I hate it when I see people saying "I hate PGR... NFS FTW!!" or "GT5 is better" because PGR doesn't REALLY fall into either of those 2 categories completely. still... nevermind! I will look forward to seeing it in demo form first personally

Zcrimson07
Zcrimson07

why would they want someone else? bizarre always did a great job...if anyone other than codemasters does it i'll be amazed if its good

T-_-K
T-_-K

i didn't need to read the article to know that it's a 360 exclusive, i just knew when i read microsoft

UltimateRAGEX
UltimateRAGEX

@DCUltrapro Fanboy? lol I have both systems you idiot, so I ain't no fanboy lol and I play both PGR and Gran Turismo so it don't make no difference to me. I never said I hated PGR, I'm saying I would rather have GT5 than PGR 5. Oh and double negatives = win. =D

DCUltrapro
DCUltrapro

@UltimateRAGEX Fanboy what? Pot kettle much?? what do you expect when you make a blatant ps3 fanboy gay comment about Gran Turismo 5 (read: the game that never was lol.... delay much) why bother mentioning GT5 when no one else considers the two franchises comparable? One is a straight up sim.... yawn, the other has sim elements while actually making racing fun

UltimateRAGEX
UltimateRAGEX

Wow my last comment got 2 thumbs down, that just proves fanboys suck.

DCUltrapro
DCUltrapro

@IrshDrkWlf I think you'll find that's more of a case of you being rubbish at the game rather than the game being rubbish. I hate Forza games because the controls are too punishing, but that doesn't mean its the games short coming, rather it is mine and the fact that I am soo used to such racer games as Burnout or NFS where the controls are unrealistic. PGR requires more breaking than arcade style racing games... and the tracks are much bigger and are much more forgiving in arcade racers on cornering and breaking. Forza is far harsher on breaking before corners etc, but that doesn't mean its the game thats at fault. that's like me saying that football management sims are rubbish, when they actually aren't its just that I don't know how to play them properly as I don't like the genre

UltimateRAGEX
UltimateRAGEX

I would prefer Gran Turismo 5 over PGR 5 any day.

LondonGamer986
LondonGamer986

Can't wait for this, been playing PGR since day one on the original Black Xbox. Played them all, a great franchise!

vadicta
vadicta

I would laugh so hard if Roxsteady did it. Maybe then we might actually get Batman in a Gotham game :lol:

Greenphant0m
Greenphant0m

this is the worst racing series available.

IrshDrkWlf
IrshDrkWlf

Wow, too bad this is not staying dormant. I have played countless racing games and this is one of the worst racing series I have ever played, the handling for the cars is just horrible. When I play a racing game I expect the car to not always crash into the outside wall of the track even at slower speeds. I have never played Forza, but from what I have seen the cars handle way better than in PGR. Maybe with a new developer this can actually improve. If the studio they get can actually develope a good title for this series I might just change my mind about it, but who knows. I will just wait for Need for Speed Hot Pursuit on PS3, for my racing fix. @wills b I have played many arcade racers and believe me PGR does not handle that well.

Waldkrieger
Waldkrieger

@mrzero1982pt2 : Burnout Paradise was probably one of the single most fun gaming times I have ever had. So many things to do and achievements to earn. Except for a few stupid camera based achievements, I have most all of them. I spent more hours in this game than Fallout 3. Meaning, well over 100. And, should I add, I hate all other driving games. All of them. So, I am anticipating a new Burnout, as long as it is done similar to Paradise. Driving tankers and Semi Trucks? Yes, sir.

Freethinker101
Freethinker101

I don't have an Xbox anymore, but I have loved PGR and it earlier incarnation on the Dreamcast as MSR. I don't think another publisher could do it as well, unless they spirited Criterion away from EA.

wills_b
wills_b

The genius of PGR is that it plays like an arcade game, but makes you feel like you're playing a simulation. Every time I play it the game makes me genuinely believe I could do all the same maneuvers in real life... ...then I play Forza 3.

dortega120
dortega120

If they hand it off to another developer, then the game better be given justice. It would suck for the series to end up just like Crackdown.

Tarfang2
Tarfang2

should really make this new pgr sort of lik motorstorm as that was the only game that really made me think of getting a ps3 over a xbox360

fgjnfgh
fgjnfgh

Awsome! really love all project gotham series. A mix of simulatio and arcade racing games. They are really unique

CTR360
CTR360

PGR5 rules i am big fan i hope coming

kungfuj0
kungfuj0

Never cared much for the PGRs, but I tend to give most racing games a shot. My only real question here is why the need to do it in Europe? Are there no studios Stateside that could make this game worthwhile???

go-divis99
go-divis99

Im probably the only one here that still plays pgr3 online daily. I really hope they make it more like pgr3. overall 3 was a better racing game. Gamertag>> X1 PROPHE7 1X im probably the best person that still plays the game in the World.

NeonNinja
NeonNinja

@Talidude80 Yeah, the third one is hands-down the best!

NeonNinja
NeonNinja

Project Gotham Racing has been one of my favorite racing series. I'm glad it won't end up at Turn 10 since they shouldn't have to focus on two racing games, but I much prefer PGR over Forza. I'm not a sim guy, so it's good to just powerslide around in nifty cars and earn points! :D Hopefully we'll see it sooner rather than later (I mean, it's already been 3 years and once a dev team gets it we're looking at another year or two wait).

berto64
berto64

awesome,and it better be true

magicalclick
magicalclick

Awsome, I am a big fan of PGR. But, I really hope no one is going to buy the developer away again.

Blue-Sky
Blue-Sky

I see Kinect getting involved somehow :(