Microsoft responds to National Security Agency user data sharing claims

Microsoft says the US government does not gain "direct and unfettered access" to customer data on Skype, Outlook.com, and SkyDrive.

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Microsoft has responded to reports regarding its role in intercepting private Skype and email transmissions to assist the National Security Agency.

Posting on TechNet, Microsoft legal and corporate affairs general counsel and executive vice president Brad Smith detailed the nature of cooperation that the company provided to the NSA, and has requested action from the attorney general of the United States to "permit Microsoft and other companies to share publicly more complete information about how we handle national security requests for customer information."

The post breaks down in detail how information on Outlook.com (formerly Hotmail), Skype, and SkyDrive is shared to comply with government legal demands.

According to the post, no government gains "direct and unfettered access" to customer data; rather, the process is managed by Microsoft, which provides "specific data mandated by the relevant legal demand."

"To be clear, we do not provide any government with the ability to break the encryption, nor do we provide the government with the encryption keys," the statement said.

Microsoft asserts that requests for data by any government are required to follow the relevant legal process, including the "producing of a court order for content or subpoena for account information." This process does not exclude requests for national security purposes.

The post revealed that customers who have been subject to a government demand represent "fractions of a percent."

Obligations to comply with government laws are not limited to the United States, and Microsoft states that legal demands for customer data are applicable globally.

Microsoft revealed earlier this year that Skype would be integrated into its next-gen Xbox One console. The console will support Skype video calling via Kinect voice and utilise gesture controls to execute onscreen actions.

Discussion

1237 comments
StarsiderSajun
StarsiderSajun

As mad as I am at Microsoft for things like used game lockouts, always online, and the forced use of Kinect, I think it is absolutely laughable that the main sticking point is that people honestly think that anyone is spying on them via webcams, Kinect, and even cell phones.

The truth of the matter is, they can do that. The real issue is whether they actually do, and the answer is no. There is no reason for anyone to labor under the delusion that they are anymore important than the next person. As long as you are not doing anything bad, the government IS NOT spying on you through any of the various objects that they have the ability to use.

At any rate, the government's ability to watch you is in the name of national security. It's to stop things like 911. You cannot have absolute safety AND absolute privacy. It will not happen. Some compromise must be made.

I will probably end up buying an xboxone. I'll probably even end up just using the Kinect without any care as to what it sees or hears me do, because: 1) I'm not doing or saying anything bad, and 2) I am not important enough to be spied on and it would be stupid of me to think so.

As far as I've seen the only valid argument between the XB1 and PS4 is the fact that the PS4 has the potential to have a form of backwards compatibility via the cloud or w/e that thing is called, starts with a "G".

TLDR: No one is spying on you unless you are doing something bad, and it's stupid of you to think otherwise. Pick the console that is technologically superior in your mind.

arqe
arqe

Btw 

There is no "Gatherin Information" visually or "speech" form.They keep our forms which we filled when we bouth the console or when we activate online reg's and make changes about our informations.

Now most of the world got "Samsung S4" and they got the same system for it called "S Voice" when you say "Hello Galaxy" S Voice opens and listens to your commands. Like Kinect.

So why millions of people did get S4 if its recording all the time. All these CEO's and Bussiness mans are retards ? ( Some of them Yeah ) But not all. They talking about bussiness's , projects and everything. Any information leaking becouse of S Voice ? NO !

But no they will get your half naked - jerking off 15 years old videos and sell them to governments... Yeah :D

betheltony
betheltony

Why is this getting posted to GameSpot?  This has nothing to do with consoles, other than the fact that the Xbox supports Skype.  If Sony were to support a large-scaled free email service similar to the Hotmail/Outlook/Live group, they too would be providing the same information. 
I'm not arguing the Kinect, I'm not excited about it either...  but it's just ridiculous for this article to even be posted, let alone people use it as a reason to not buy an Xbox.  Under these rules, should we all be saying down with Android, since Google hosts gmail accounts?

FULGOREY2K
FULGOREY2K

oh my *gasp* this is a shocking surprise.......................NOT!!!! 

crazyintheface
crazyintheface

I don't know why people are targeting the Xbox with spying when everyone's cell phone is a total NSA spy device & everyone owns a cell. Not everyone is gonna have an Xbox. Your cell has a mic & camera  plus your texts, photos, videos, phone calls, etc. People should be upset with the government not Microsoft.

At least MS is being honest.

tightwad34
tightwad34

Doesn't matter what they tell us or how much of it's the truth. We will be spied on regardless. With the good comes some bad, especially with technology. I actually kind of have to laugh at the govt. for the embarrassment it seems to have caused them and oh how they are scrambling. The only things I know in this is that it doesn't surprise me one bit and how stupid the general public is. Now the main gov't secret I want to know about is space aliens, you know they know something in that regard.

xeoneex66
xeoneex66

And ducks go quack.  This means little to those that don't even WANT kinect to begin with.

straightcur
straightcur

LMFAO. ... . very careful wording there! 

SiLenTWarrior29
SiLenTWarrior29

I wanna hear what the xbots have to say about this... they got some explaining to do.

edpeterson
edpeterson

The important thing to note about this article is that microsoft says that they do give information to the NSA. They even make it seem like they give encrypted data to the NSA, sure they don't let them have the keys but are you so naive to think that there aren't people who know how to hack things in the NSA? Also, don't they know that the government has a way to bypass the court order? (thank you, "patriot" act).


Keep on thinking that MS and the NSA won't use the Kinect 2.0 for their own benefit

TirOrah
TirOrah

Wait, what? Hotmail's name was changed? Outlook.com? Every time I look at Hotmail (as in once every few years) it seems to have changed drastically. We used to be friends, Hotmail, why you change?

No but seriously, that was the first thing that popped into my mind when I was reading this. I think the fact that this particular tidbit of information stood out so much more to me than the rest of the article indicates just how old this news is. Even if the Kinect does all this illegal stuff, why in the world would Microsoft ever admit to it? O_o 

I have my reasons for disliking the Kinect, but all this paranoia stuff isn't one of them. Privacy is a validated concern, sure, but this is far from being the bigger picture if you're going to worry about that. 

On a related note, I'm still excited for Watch Dogs. <3

BorgMind00
BorgMind00

@crazyintheface Agreed, people still don't realize that they've been walking around with an "always on" device for decades now. Frankly, most mobile phones contain more personal data that the Xbox One will ever have. I'd also like to note that they government doesn't have to try very hard to get personal data when people freely give it up on FaceBook and Twitter, just saying.

frylock1987
frylock1987

@crazyintheface  

Actually I should be upset at both partys. Why both? Because Microsoft isn't telling the federal government to fuck off and cut full support for them....instead....they just...let them snoop around like a rape victim.

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah NSA had direct access to Outlook.com even before Outlook was released. The benefits of the Xbone was great for both NSA and MS in the way NSA can get all the information they want about people and MS could learn more about people through advertising so they know what to offer people etc..

But thanks to surrounding country's and It's laws AND new PATENTS that protected people from devices monitoring  from within entertainment boxes of sought's, MS plans feel apart pretty much. It is not the gamers and the people or even Sony that MS changed their mine for about their policy's

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah the essential problem is that a peripheral device, that most gamers do not want..is being forced upon them. The system will not normally operate without the peripheral plugged in. It cannot be fully powered off. And the cost of the item has raised the price of the unit. 

The "security" issues are another LAYER on that simple fundamental problem, that the kinect is being forced on the end-user. Had microsoft developed it as an optional device then you solve the main issue, and security concerns as well. 

What your argument tries to do is "deflect" the inherent problem by making it a different issue altogether. Its not that people are paranoid, the problem is that why have data collection and a forced peripheral as part of the inherent design of a VIDEOGAME CONSOLE to begin with. 

> wii u

BorgMind00
BorgMind00

@frylock1987 @crazyintheface Microsoft can not tell the government to fuck off. They would be breaking the law, if subpoenaed to court, you can not tell the government to fuck off, well you can but you face jail time. I would expect MS employees to do the same

crazyintheface
crazyintheface

@frylock1987 @crazyintheface I don't know if you can tell the government to fuck off. I mean you can but they probably wont. These companies may not have a choice. Also when you're a company, you don't want to rock the boat with the government. They'll just send the IRS in to give you an audit which NO COMPANY wants. And what about Google & Apple? They're letting the government do this too.

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 Thanks for the additional information! Personally I hate ads being adjusted to what you want, it's kind of annoying when I'm on Youtube and the ad shows me a game I looked at on a website 5 minutes ago. Yeah, I don't like it. But then I dislike the Kinect in general, so it hasn't changed much for me... ><

DSCesq
DSCesq

@racerxgundam @TirOrah Just as a technical note: it's not really a peripheral if it's essential to the basic system. I think a better understanding would be "what used to be considered a peripheral device..."

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam Hi there and thanks for stating some of my reasons for disliking the Kinect in the first place. All those issues you mentioned? Yeah, deal breaker for me.

I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trying to make it sound like it's no big deal, because it is. I just thought the fact that Microsoft denied doing anything of the sort with the Kinect was rather redundant. Either my wording is off or people seem to misunderstand my intentions lately. Weird. 

jd7904
jd7904

@racerxgundam it came out in '83 in Japan, NES didn't come out til '85 in bigger areas of US and like 86 or 87 in MT

also did you see the pic of what it was originally supposed to look like,scroll down. It was like an Atari ST with a tape player XD

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 wow...lol i forgot that image....

looks so strange to see it...so....un-USA-y

> wii u

jd7904
jd7904

@racerxgundam Seattle's closer than New york. we're closer to Denver than Seattle. I like camping and fishing, don't hunt though. Of course I'm a game collector more than anything and a computer hobbyist.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @racerxgundam lol sadly no. i literally stay on gamespot. i rarely check out other gaming sites willingly....i dare not venture to far from underneath this bridge.....

closest to another gaming site for me is cracked.com

> wii u


racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @racerxgundam lol. do u like sports? montana seems like a very cool place if you like camping and natural stuff...at least thats the vibe i get from tv...

never have been there. closest is seattle...but since i am horrific with geography..not sure how close that is

> wii u

jd7904
jd7904

@racerxgundam It's crazy , but you probably associate ppl you can relate with as being from the same country or locale as you. as far as knowing exactly wher you live I would never ask, just like Montana is the 4th largest state area wise, so good luck finding me by just saying I live there. XD

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @racerxgundam oh..lol fail_troll is from the future....its the only reason why i think the xbox one's tech appeals to him. 

cuz when u live in a demented fucking tron world...u do not want to pick up a remote to watch sprite/byte humanoids duke it out on the tv. 

> wii u

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @racerxgundam yeah? holy shit. i did not even think about peeps being from such far out places. yeah i am in the northeast. close, very close to NYC. i would give u more info..but they watch <closes curtains>

i have read sla's posts...and yeah. i know where he stands but sometimes he is fair. not ALWAYS but then again who is. so i tend to give him SOME leeway. i had no idea yat was from poland..i have NO IDEA why i thought that maybe she was an asian or mexican from cali...i have NO reason to even think that other than for some reason her icon made me think that. 

i had no clue you were from montana. LOL for some reason i thought u were from the east coast too. again no real reason to think that. 

> wii u

jd7904
jd7904

@racerxgundam Nice! There's a lot of ppl from all over the world on here. sladakrobot is from germany, he's actually decent for an MS apologist, Yatsumii is from Poland. there was some dude from Czech republic I had a long talk with one night.I'm from Montana, which is almost like another country sometimes ;-). you're from East Coast?? New York or something? it's pretty neat to hear peoples thoughts on games from all over the world

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @racerxgundam lol u missed the UN meeting dude

lol a girl from holland a dude from australia and like me...

the justice league of M$ hate!

> wii u

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah @jd7904 @SIDEFX1 See you fellow gamer.. Catch up again soon.. 

I am off to racerxgundam.. I'l see you are again soon dude... Game on! 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@jd7904 It will be minimal in the beginning until developers get the hold on  the PS4. I am pretty confident on that.. 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah Lol.. I do that as well :-) That is a good sign however tho,  maybe you are just friendly so it is impossible to be stupid back lol ..

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 ur 22?

i thought u were way older! lol i guess dos games are not that old...

i remember them. damm...missed my chance to be a pervert to a girl from holland :'(

ah well...have a good nite kind gamer!

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@jd7904 @SIDEFX1 I agree, I don't pay attention to the specs that much. What i care about is what each console or game will be able to do gameplay wise. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 Yeah, I thought you would have different sized cities. Kind of has to be. XD I haven't been to a lot of different countries yet, so I can't comment really. I have been to london for one afternoon though, to see the sights, but we used the Tube/Underground instead of cabs. London nightlife is pretty notorious though, from what I've seen .All the alcohol. >< Not that we're much better over here. Alcohol is legal here from age 16, but kids as young as 13 start drinking themselves into a stupor. Kids nowadays! (I'm 22 btw, so I get to shake my head at the younger generation already! >:D)

Anyway, I'm going to head off and get some sleep. Thank you two for a very interesting discussion and all the politeness! We made this website a better place. 

jd7904
jd7904

@SIDEFX1 I'm not at all for the Xbone, but in all honesty from all the tech pages I've read about the systems the difference between games will be minimal. It will be like the difference between a 6850 and 6870 graphics card.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @SIDEFX1 as an american what i can say is...depends on the city. some are as big as u would expect, e.g. new york while others are alot smaller than you would expect, e.g. boston. 

we kinda run the full range of sizes. from my travels what i will say is in term of size, japan sorta was the closest...but the weird thing there is...its like u go from big urban center to like boonies rather quick. it doesnt feel like u transition to one spot to the other as u do in the states. 

London felt alot like america but oddly..i found the nightlife for lack of a better term to be "off". oh and  the cabs in london ARE UNBEARABLE price wise. 

> wii u

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah @racerxgundam I think the PS4 is more future proof for a console system anyway in terms for this next gen consoles. Microsoft does use inferior hardware compared to the PS4 and ultimately the console with the most ram will be the longer lasting survivor . 8gig of GDDR is unprecedented but people will always debate me about the hardware.  

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 Oh yeah, that does sound pretty small. And from what I've seen, American cities can be MASSIVE. Like Tokyo and [insert Thai city here]. I do like Australia though, I hope to visit it someday as well as the USA and maybe Canada if I can squeeze it in. 

And why do almost all of my replies here begin with yes, yeah or yep? You people are too nice, start being stupid trolls so I can disagree with you!

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 Yep I prefer PS4 exclusives over the Xbox Ones, so that coupled with my newly developed distrust of Microsoft, the higher price point and the mandatory Kinect, I really don't see myself buying an X1. 

My issue with PC gaming is that technology is progressing forward rapidly. I'm sure there are people out there whose PCs already outclass the upcoming consoles. The nice thing about a console is that it's essentially plug & play; you know the console will always be able to run the games that are released for it. And with the 'play while you install' feature the installation time is practically zero. 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah Well most overseas people have said to me Sydney is small and boring and they are not wrong. You walk the Sydney city main whole street within a hour. I have been to Japan and Thailand and we are no where near huge like that.. I can only imagine America is off the scale with this.. 

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 its more an ease and friendly price points, and better exclusives as the reason why i say that :-)

high end pc gaming is fun i bet. but u can't deny the lasting power of having a plumber and his oddly colored overalls hoping on a defenseless turtle, or the batshit insanity of human resurrection thru a potion (defying god's will and proving alchemy while brushing quite close to necromancy) that is the sole realm of console gaming. 

but i am a MILD adversary at best. i hold no ill will to those that like the hobby. 

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 Oh wow, I didn't realize... I know the Outback isn't hospitable, but I thought there were surely more people in your country. I do recall hearing that Australia needs more people for certain lines of work, I guess that ties into it. I live in a city with 10,000 inhabitants, so Sydney still looks very big to me. I just can't even comprehend the idea of a city as large as the entire province/county I live in - not sure if Sydney fits in that category though, considering what you just said.

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah lol.. It did and it does tho..Thanks to MS gamers have united closer than ever.. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 It must have been destiny! ò.ó It was all part of Microsoft's masterplan, to unite gamers! How very courageous. *nod nod* Hehe but yeah, these situations have caused a lot of chaos but also a lot of fun.

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah Lol.. True that TirOrah.. Australia is the size of America with about half those 16Mil inhabitants. We are tiny.. And Sydney is so small.. I live about 2km from the center of the city and from my high rise building I can see both ends of the city... 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 "Console gaming is vastly superior." *steps back and lets the horde of anrgy PC piranhas take you*

I've always combined PC gaming with console gaming and I love both of them equally! Your comment reflects just how badly Microsoft screwed up, or as I like to call it, royally shooting themselves in the foot over and over. 

I dislike PC gamers who go all "no pc gaming is superior no it doesn't take a lot of money to build a great gaming rig you stupid console fanboys!" and completely miss the point. Several gamers like myself show that it's possible to enjoy the best of both worlds. Sadly, trolls have trouble coexisting with other species.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@SIDEFX1 @TirOrah three individuals from three different countries ALL united by M$ HATE AND DISGUST

THXS MS!!! your unabashed dickery is the key to world peace!

> wii u

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@SIDEFX1 @TirOrah yeah i find its alot better. someone once explained to me that the beef was like "better" or like i guess more natural or maybe roided up..i dunno. 

but i found it better than bk in my humble opinion.

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 It's been very entertaining! I don't mind that you people are keeping me up late, either! (it's just past 4.30 AM here now, woe is me) Good luck with your Injustice marathon, man, that sounds incredibly tough. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 Ha yeah, there aren't that many of us! I only know of one other. But to be honest, our population count just makes the chance that much smaller. We have about 16 million inhabitants, no 1 million population cities like in the USA, and our country is about 1/8th the size of a regular Canadian county. 

TL;DR we're SMALL

We do get a lot of advertising from other countries though, so it helps create new gamers. :)

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah It is good isn't it.. I like it, you's have both been great...

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @SIDEFX1 we all do. 

Let the hate flow thru.....

i actually had a good opinion of MS as a gaming company off what they did with the 360. i was kinda impressed. Now they are dead to me. 

conversely....before i became this...i was a MILD adversary to pc gaming. 

i did enjoy console vs pc debates. but no MALICE at pc gamers at all. 

console gaming is vastly superior. but i like my fellow pc gamers though

> wii u

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@racerxgundam LOL.. Our hungry Jacks and your Burger King is the same.. Burgers are better at hungry jacks that is for sure.. in my taste anyway compared to MCDonalds..


TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 I can imagine, I haven't been this vocal about a subject since I joined the website! I'm still suffering from withdrawal after Microsoft's policy reversal. I need more obnoxious PR to feed off of! T_T

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@SIDEFX1 @racerxgundam hello good sir from aussie! 

all i can say is...due to incredible circumstances i actually ate from a "hungry jacks" if they are still around way back in a previous life. 

> wii u


SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah Lol.. In a recent huge comment I had made on here I pretty much covered all the points and key factors from what you's have been saying about the Xbone including my thoughts.. But I have been gaming on Injustice two days straight no sleep bender with a mate and I am feeling very soar lol.. 


SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@racerxgundam Lol .. Nah I am Aussie down under Australian. I don't even realize I say the word 'mate' most of the time. everybody says it here a lot.. even the Indians here lol.. but it is a real Aussie thing..  

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 @racerxgundam  I would have as well. Almost all of the games I'm interested in are coming to the PC anyway, I would have upgraded my PC instead of buying a console. That option still isn't off the table, but I'm waiting until launch to judge the two consoles for good. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 Yeah they do, I didn't really pay attention to the PS3 launch but from what I've read it was pretty disastrous. But yeah, why buy a console if you're not going to play games on it? Does not compute. A while ago they even said that businesses could use the Xbox One to help present stuff to their clients or something...don't remember it that well. I couldn't help hearing "WTF?" in my mind over and over... 

Sony profited greatly from Microsoft's mistakes, but their attitude has been much better in my eyes. if you want, call them the lesser of two evils, but the difference is there. 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah @racerxgundam Tho, If Sony had of done the same thing as MS with the original policy's. I probably would of giving up on gaming on both the consoles.. 

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@SIDEFX1 @TirOrah correct me if i am wrong in this impression..but it seemed to me that like more peeps from england liked the 360 more than the ps3? i am guessing ur english from the use of "mate". that or a pirate. 

if you were a pirate with internet capabilities and a videogame hobby....you are a pretty up to date  pirate...

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam I live in The Netherlands/Holland, and technically we do have a monarch here, but the royal family has more of symbolic function here nowadays. XD Hagelslag, cheese, mills, all that jazz. ;) Oh and i saw you correct that "fail" typo to "fall", you don't fool me good sir!

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah And that mate is what is seen as a true gamers words.. In it for the games.. That is the reason I am purchasing a PS4, It has more of what I want.  Sony has been pretty much upfront with us from the start and have made it clear that their console more gamer focused/ friendly and is primary for gamers. Also Sony look much more readier this time round.  

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam if you don't mind me asking where in europe do u hail from? do you fall under the shadow of her majesty's crown?

i am american. lol bugle boy jeans and coca cola and all that jazz.

:-D

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam Yep, I'm European and for the current gen, Microsoft certainly had the advantage. Every multiplatform game that was advertised here always showed the Xbox 360 version; the PS3 wasn't even mentioned. But with this shift away from core gamers I think they might lose that advantage. Despite haivng never owned a Microsoft console, I was really hoping they'd do better, if only for the competition for Sony. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam @SIDEFX1 Yeah...first of all I mean they announced the multimedia stuff first, so they could bring out the big guns for E3? But by doing that, they angered their core gaming audience who then went into E3 with a different state of mind, a more negative one. Of course Microsoft didn't do anything to remedy that since... They really screwed up. I'm also not a fan of this "All In One" entertainment system. I buy a console for the games! I do not want Achievements for watching TV!!! 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@racerxgundam Exzactly man. MS wants the front room. On top of that they want the main room where people enjoy movies 'as one example' with friends and family and then MS want to control the amount of viewers that can watch a purchased movie with 'Pay Per Viewer fees'. It is a very greedy move and misleading on MS part especially when they want to be the media hub that connects all and sources through  the Xbone.  

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam i could not agree with you more. 

its a shame really...since i thought they did so well catering to the core gaming US demographic. Would have been a cool thing to have an american console maker shake up things across the pond and maybe shake things up with japanese development

too bad M$ shat and pissed on the floor like a sick dog

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 Oh ha, I watch TV every day for a few shows, but I spend most of my free time on my PC nowadays. I also have a PS3 (and a PS2) but I haven't bought any new games for it recently... I'm sure I will though. 

I also feel like my PS3 should be falling apart any minute now. I've never encountered the YLoD despite it being a 40GB fat model that I bought a few months after launch... If it goes on much longer I'll be anticipating it to spontaneously combust! 

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@SIDEFX1 @TirOrah i cant find your earlier post so lemmie respond to you here. 

you describe YET another problem i have with M$...they DO NOT CARE FOR THE CORE AMERICAN GAMING AUDIENCE ANYMORE...they are going for what they think these "living room peeps" do...which i guess for them is a bunch of hipster assholes texting during shows, keeping fantasy football scores, and ordering pizza hut. They are aiming for a "gaming environment" that to be honest, i openly question even exists. 

they also want to MARKET to us in our homes. 

everything u said was on point..wholesale design fails!

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam True, true, you have a good point there. :) 

Well I'm always up for a healthy debate regarding the Xbox One stuff, but it gets annoying when people defend it without even looking at the facts. Yeah, the policy thing really didn't sit well with me. The fact that they reversed it just like that just makes me feel like a lab rat. Like Microsoft thought, how far can we take this until it starts to hurt us? I don't appreciate their recent practices and obnoxious PR. 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah @SIDEFX1 It was a shock to me too but I found out it is because ADS always how something new all the time.. I have not watched TV in months or years at least two years.. I always am on the PS3 or PC instead.. lol..

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam lol no...i find it great actually. Videogames are my fav hobby by like a mile and anything that strengthens it makes me happy. Hopefully the strides that they have made with teh female market continues!

GAME ON FELLOW GAMER! is usually my take on things. M$ has thrown a curveball and the disgust is too much for me NOT to camp on these pages. The M$ peeps that defend them also make me sick 

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TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam No! My disguise was already compromised?! Curses, what do I do...er... *insert random RE6 comment* That'll do.

Yeah, I'm way too nice tbh. But I couldn't resist digging in after lurking for a while. All those comments were just too juicy. <3 Feel free to remain angry trolls, I want Feedbackula to stay in business!

When i was little I played DOS games, so for some reason my parents raised me a gamer. I don't regret it though, it's an amazing hobby!

I do run into other female gamers, mostly in fantasy MMOs. Yeah, girls and well people in general who are outside looking in don't see it. At first they think you're playing a kid's game, then they start saying they're gamers too (I play Angry Birds/Farmville! so I'm a gamer right?) and I don't know which one I prefer... 

I'm always up for introducing people to the lovely world of video games, but if you don't want to understand, then don't mock it or we will have words! Angry words!

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam i actually do believe ur female...as like ur way too polite for this website! lol

we are angry trolls here. we are not too accustomed the fairer sex around these parts. 

its awesome that you have a gaming hobby...but man...i honestly believe female "gamers" to be more rare than unicorns. 

maybe its cultural..maybe generational, but from what i have seen many girls do not understand the appeal of videogames. To a certain extent..maybe they are better off 

:-)

> wii u

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam I'm a female gamer, still dislike the Kinect... But then I don't buy party games, I buy "real games". *cough* There is a potential audience for Kinect, all those party games and sports games etc. attract a certain slice of the population.  I don't know how large that slice is, but all console companies seem very optimistic about their new products right now so it's not just Microsoft.

TirOrah
TirOrah

@SIDEFX1 *side-eyes ads* *glares at them* 

This is news to me though...people love watching commercials? I certainly don't. Where I live commercial breaks have been getting increasingly longer and it's annoying me! >< Oh well.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @SIDEFX1 like personally i cannot fathom any MALE liking the kinect much. 

but to be completely fair i will say that motion controlled singing/dancing games are catnip for women. So is there a potential audience for kinect...i actually think there is. 

is that audience as large as M$ thinks? hell no

> wii u

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@TirOrah Exactly, Ads are only going to get worse but funny enough it is the number 1 choice people love to watch most on TV.. 

TirOrah
TirOrah

@racerxgundam Ha! Well I appreciate it, though you did leave me with a mental image now. XD That'll be nice for when I go to sleep in a second.

I'm guessing it's the last paragraph that muddied my intentions, after rereading it. I need to step up my game! Anyway, thanks for the replies. ^^

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@TirOrah @racerxgundam no worries. if i suspected rampant fangirlism i would not have been restrained and been alot less friendly. 

:-P

yeah ur wording is a bit misleading but i kinda felt u were trying to make a fair point....so like i put on a suit and tie for the response instead of my usual crazy hobo outfit and peeing in the corner tactics. 

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