Microsoft on Xbox One 1080p drama -- "It's all a game of trade-offs"

"Resolution alone is not the final determination" about whether a game looks good or not, studio manager Mike Ybarra says.

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Microsoft has yet again responded to the ongoing Xbox One 1080p/60fps debate, with studio manager Mike Ybarra saying "resolution alone" does not determine if a game looks good or not.

"I think the point that gets lost a lot is that it's all a game of trade-offs," Ybarra told MyXboxLive. "Resolution alone is not the final determination regarding if a game looks great or not. It's one of many different levers and it's up to the game teams to decide what is best for their unique game experience."

Ybarra's comments came in response to a question regarding Ryse: Son of Rome, which runs in 900p and is still considered one of the most visually impressive games for the Xbox One.

The other "levers" that developer Crytek employed to make the game look so impressive, Ybarra said, were things like various screen effects and scripted/dynamic instances. These elements, combined with the game's 900p resolution, are what makes the game look so good, he said.

Microsoft product planning director Albert Penello said about the 1080p/60fps drama in January that, "these little things get way overblown." Meanwhile, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison said just this week that the Xbox One's eSRAM is "clearly" not too small to output games at 1080p, using examples like Forza Motorsport 5 and Kinect Sports Rivals as examples.

It was also revealed this week that Respawn Entertainment's much-anticipated multiplayer shooter Titanfall will not run in 1080p.

Also in the interview, Ybarra said Ryse: Son of Rome review scores were "lower than we wanted."

"That's always hard on any game team that puts a lot of time and effort into a game," he said. Still, though the game's Metacritic score was a 60, Ybarra said user-review scores on Amazon are better, showing that people are enjoying the game.

"While there were certainly things we wished we could have gotten in the game and we understand the key criticism, we are proud of Ryse and think it is a fun experience for our audience," he said.

Ryse: Son of Rome was developed by Crytek and published by Microsoft Studios. It's unclear if Crytek is going to work on a sequel, though the developer is signed up through Microsoft's new independent development program ID@Xbox.

GameSpot and Metacritic are both owned by CBS Interactive.

[CORRECTION] An earlier version of this story quoted Ybarra as saying Ryse sales were below what Microsoft expected, but really he meant Ryse review scores were below what Microsoft expected. GamesSpot regrets the error.

Discussion

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kovaras1984
kovaras1984

blown away with titanfall looks good at790 ish p and most importantly it its alot of fun. hard to put it down when you get into it

SummerFerrari
SummerFerrari

What Microsoft said is true. But they just can't use that as an excuse for themselves, and let the developers suffer the pain. 

brunoelement
brunoelement

Not even a year since the release of xbox1.... it dosen't mean s*** yet.

But Microsoft has an ability in not predicting things;

FULGOREY2K
FULGOREY2K

yeah M$ trade off your XBONE for a better gaming system or PC

santinegrete
santinegrete

It's not like I care about resolution, but I want to know what the fanboys of 360 have to say now if we remember they detracted PS3 for having most games in 720p, 1080i tops.


Some of 'em went to PS4 right?


Choices, choices, motherfu****ng choices! From MS designing this console to customers purchasing it.

dbene
dbene

Does anyone really think that in a year from now that all games that benefit from 1080P....WON"T be in that on both systems??

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

It's all about trade off. Ok what does the PS4 doesn't do as well as the Xbox One? Oh yeah sorry your right it wasn't never meant to be used a vocalized remote. But hey you get free NSA spyware! Grats Xbox fans! *thumbs up with a smile*

xxcarel3ssxx
xxcarel3ssxx

has anyone ever ran an older game they havent played in years on pc at 1080p? it looks like junk, even though its still fun as it was when u first played it. CounterSTRIKE!! textures ppl textures.

xxcarel3ssxx
xxcarel3ssxx

You guys are sad and pathetic........... If your a gamer and call your self a gamer then you know visuals do not mean shit in terms of gameplay. boo hoo, a few games will not be in full hd, im so sad. titan fall AND HALO 5  will be amazing. Ps4 owners can keep their crappy muliplayer exclusive killzone. Ill take halo any day over that junk.

Martyr77
Martyr77

PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One and 100 dollars cheaper. Those are both facts. Why settle for a more expensive, less powerful console?

lameblamer
lameblamer

I love my Xbox One. The games are beautiful, and really fun.


Can't wait to realsies Titanfall that game is soooo much fun, I can't stop playing it.


- "I think the point that gets lost a lot is that it's all a game of trade-offs," Ybarra told MyXboxLive. "Resolution alone is not the final determination regarding if a game looks great or not. It's one of many different levers and it's up to the game teams to decide what is best for their unique game experience."


That's also a perfect sentiment. 1080p 60fps doesn't make a game look good. Let alone what matters way more, the main concern that should be had with all games, the funnes of it.

adwerk
adwerk

Thats real nice, IF WE WASNT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GAMES!  This is not RYSE VS KZ4, this is AC4 vs AC4.


And ryse would have gotten a meta of 10 if it wasnt for the graphics.

vannacut
vannacut

wow microsoft  you are funny...

musalala
musalala

MS me thinks you protest too much

001011000101101
001011000101101

Yea, it's not like the PS4 is able to do both higher resolution and better framerate in the same games as the XB1... When will these MS dudes stop apologizing about this stuff by the way? It's getting a bit pathetic. 


SPBoss
SPBoss

Try sitting close to a large screen tv at 720p it looks horrible. The difference is enormous when you sit close to the screen like i do. 720p has jagged lines all over the place and antialiasing doesn't help much in that matter. 

mbloof
mbloof

While both the 360 and PS3 top resolution output was 720P all were expecting that the "next generation" would do 1080P. And while the 360 and PS3 were likely only doing 720P at ~20-50FPS it was expected that the 'next generation' would clock in at a good steady 60FPS.


However, the hardware used in both the Xone and PS4 really is not powerful enough to do all that.


PC gamers with much more powerful CPU+GPU's have to turn graphics settings down to get a peak +60FPS let alone drive an average 60FPS at 1080P. (try keeping +60 minimum and see what kind of hardware you need. ~2x-3x the cost of a Console gaming system)

However, Console gamers don't have the utilities available to them to show or chart what the actual FPS range a game plays at so there's no way of measuring how good or bad they have it at whatever resolution the developer says the game runs natively at. Can anyone at home actually tell or measure what the native resolution is? Does it really matter?


Besides my PC I also own a PS3 and there have been a number of titles (some released just last year) that look and play awesome on it (some got GOTY). Did I care that it is only 720P? Of course not. Is it fun? Does it look good?

Shielder7
Shielder7

"we are proud of Ryse and think it is a fun experience for our audience,"

You shouldn't be and it wasn't that's why you got a metacritic score of 60.

Shielder7
Shielder7

Funny that the Xbox one seems to be doing most of the tradeoffs.  Can't really say it's a game of tradeoffs when the other guy seems to be getting his cake and eating to.  It's really just a tradeoffs because Microsoft has shitty ****ing hardware, that's the tradeoff.

zeldafan195
zeldafan195

I'm no Microsoft fan, but I agree 100% with them on this. It's ridiculous how obnoxious Sony fans have been about this. I don't see every PC fan screaming: "HAHA!!! We can play in 1440p, and you guys are in your primitive 1080p!"


Some of you Sony fans are so bad, you make me ashamed of myself for even wanting a PS4.

MrMojoRisin70
MrMojoRisin70

I "traded off" my 360 for a PS4 a few months ago, and so did several friends of mine.

Is that the "trade off" you're referring to Microsoft?

SingletreeAve
SingletreeAve

Yes, a game of tradeoffs.. Xbox One hardware specs are evidence of that.

greebe55
greebe55

i thought these were next gen? 1080p is old technology.


wow xbone sucks



bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

I'll say this, do games still look good on the Xbox One? Yes, they do, but that is not what people were expecting from next gen... There were so many numbers thrown around during the build up that I think 1080p 60fps was expected from this next generation of consoles, and we didn't get it, so we are a little upset, as anyone would be when they are let down or told they can't have something they expected to get.  But I don't think that 1080p is necessary for a good gaming experience


To guarantee 1080p 60fps takes some significant hardware, especially with the amount of detail gamers are expecting.  I have a pretty powerful gaming PC, and I have to drop details on the newest games to get steady 60fps at that resolution.  So if I can't do it with a $300 processor and a $400 gpu, guess what... expecting a console to do it at a significantly lower price is unrealistic :-/  

kovaras1984
kovaras1984

@santinegrete i must admit i did buy a ps4 as well coz of hardware but recently sold it as it was just boring, bad games i got it with killzone n knack and bf4, bf4 was good but we got it on xbo as well just to see the dif..... massive dif was online... xbox live is better in every-way from less lag to fast match making not to mention all the psn downtime. and when your playing a game on ps4thats all you can do... who doesnt like to watch tv in snap when you hit a grind point. snap is awsome and you would use it all the time if ps4 was actually capble of it. skype video calls etc etc theres no comparison between then if you try them both and give them a fair test. all ps4 has over xbox1 is and early advantage for devs.. which will defo change over time

darkrayne
darkrayne

@xxcarel3ssxx Yeh, basing your experience of 1080p on games that were not designed for 1080p is the right way to go. *thumbs up*

AM-Gamer
AM-Gamer

@xxcarel3ssxx Problem is the PS4 multiplats have either equal or better textures yet still run the game at higher resolutions.

mesk14
mesk14

@xxcarel3ssxx But 1080p/60 is the norm now. Resolution and frame rate is a big deal these days. MS charges you $500 for a weak console.

HartPuncher
HartPuncher

@xxcarel3ssxx  They're not gamers. They don't even have PS4s, they're just obese teens who'll be dead in 3 years from heart failure. Let them pretend to be winners in the arena of mommy bought me a box of tech. 

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

@xxcarel3ssxx Yes the fanboi has spoken. you sad and pathetic people.... btw were you talking into a mirror?

matea88
matea88

@Martyr77  Why buy a PS4 instead of a PC then? Logic son? You can build a PC cheaper and be twice as powerfull as a PS4.

Sir_Claude
Sir_Claude

@lameblamer  you are right, 1080p60 does not make a game look good (e.g. Forza which looks awful versus Ryse which looks incredible at 900p) still, given two games, one is 1080p60 and the other 720p60 and the 1080p one will look better, simples as that...

Sir_Claude
Sir_Claude

@001011000101101  They are trying to control consumer preferences through this PR strategy... they are trying to convince consumers that given that the power of the console doesn't matter and shouldn't influence their decision, because that is the PS4's main advantage as a competitor...

Sir_Claude
Sir_Claude

@SPBoss  even if you don't sit close, you can see how much more appealing 1080p looks than 720p, from aliasing, to superior texture detail, to even the clarity of text and the UI (although some games actually render the UI and the game at different resolutions if needed)... only fanboys can't see it xD

Sir_Claude
Sir_Claude

@mbloof  I don't think anybody expected 60 fps as standard... 1080p30 sure but 60 fps was more of a wish than a grounded expectation.


In terms of price, consoles are always more appealing but pc is more flexible, so a choice between them has a set of particular trade-offs. And the problem is that, for the first time ever, consoles launched with hardware that was significantly behind modern pc's and that, for me and many others, cuts their appeal considerably.


And you are right, what ultimately matters is gameplay, my favorite game nowadays is GTA V, and yet when i compare it with some pc games i have, you can see that R* despite making an incredible game, made compromises, does that keep me from enjoying the game, no! Still when a new generation comes you expect a big jump in quality and this one has been the most disapointing one thus far...

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

@zeldafan195 But you only want it because it's better no shame on being honest. But really. Most PS3 users got crapped on for nearly what 5 plus years? The shoes on the other foot and yo azz is about to be beat with it. Take yer lickin like they took theirs. (xbox 360 going PS4 because I don't pay more for less)

GamerGeek87
GamerGeek87

@zeldafan195  Well they do. Ive seen plenty of "PC master race" statements complaining about the low res and overall graphics of all consoles. It really doesnt matter what platform youre talking about, there will be fanboys regardless.

vannacut
vannacut

@bdiddytampa  optimization plays a big role here tho, pc usually gets ports unoptimized games, and it doesnt matter even if you have 4 titans , you may just be stuck below 40s. the difference between consoles and pc was supposed to be efficiency , and optimization.

santinegrete
santinegrete

@kovaras1984 @santinegrete  You should have waited at least for Infamous Second Son, but your move wasn't bad idea: you sold it for a good price right? plus, it's the first version, and statically the more prone to failure.

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

@HartPuncher @xxcarel3ssxx Hart Hart... you are just too cute. Clueless, insipid, and inept. You are like a teddy bear that can talk. You try so hard and fail. Please grasp away at your straws. Please try so hard to be clever and fail time and time again while you continue to dance like the plaything you are. My my you are my toy. I hope this winds you up so you'll play with me again.


Or did I break you already? tsk. tsk.  

Glitterpig
Glitterpig

@matea88 @Martyr77  yea but your  "cheaper pc" its life span wont be anywhere near that of a ps4.

In 3 years time, you will be finding yourself spending more money, upgrading, just so you can keep up with all the visual splendour that pc games have to offer. At least with the ps4, the developers work to the systems potential. With pc, if your graphics card is starting to show its age? tuff shit! go spend more money.

In the long run, your cheaper pc, in fact, becomes more expensive. "son" 

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

@vannacut @bdiddytampa PC gamers like to pay more for less... wondered why Xbox gamers had that mentality..... But yer right Vannacut. It's not like consoles are meant to run like a PC or have PC issues. I think they forget that not to mention 1080 P was don at 60 frames years ago and is old tech I mean more than 10 years old kind of tech


Glitterpig
Glitterpig

I'm not on about keeping up with the ps4, I'm on about keeping up with your own market, lad.

xtne
xtne

@Glitterpig Hold on guy. If someone built a rig thats twice as powerful as a PS4 for less money... why in the hell would the person have to upgrade their PC which is "twice as powerful as your console" to keep up with a console game thats made for the machine which is half as powerful as my PC? Unless your saying these devs are going to be making games that surpass your PS4 i dont think the person has to worry about upgrading their PC to play console to pc ports. Console consumer logic makes absolutely no sense.

bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

@Kinguard73  PC gamers pay more for more, consoles can't even come close to PC's detail and physics, there is a lot more to it than just resolution and frame rate.  Nothing was doing 1080p @ 60fps 10 years ago, not with the kind of detail running today.  That is why what this guy in the article is saying is kind of correct, you can have all the resolution and frame rate you want, but the details are what make games atmospheric and engrossing... you can have a lower resolution with better details and have a better experience than a higher resolution with less details.  It's a constant trade off no matter what hardware you are running.