Microsoft on what defines a next-gen game

Xbox boss Phil Spencer says visual fidelity and connected experiences are the way forward; admits marketing next-gen titles may be a "challenge."

Microsoft has not been shy about using the term "next-gen" to describe its games and experiences for the Xbox One, but what exactly does it mean? Speaking with GameSpot, Xbox boss Phil Spencer said the term is multifaceted and at times difficult to convey.

"I think it's multiple things. Graphic fidelity is clearly going to be one of those...and I think graphic fidelity is always going to be at the top of what gamers think about," Spencer said. "But more and more you're seeing connected games. Titanfall is a great example, even [Forza 5] was a great example. And other briefings had similar functionality."

"The mix of exactly what makes a new generation game is now more faceted than it used to be because there's just more capabilities in the platform," he added. "Visual fidelity continues to excel here, but you actually just have a lot more capability in the hands of the creator, and you're seeing that show up."

Spencer explained that next-gen even extends beyond visuals and connected experiences to the creative teams behind the games themselves.

"And it's why, when I'm onstage, I will show something like Below that certain people look at and say, 'Is that really a new-generation game?' But I'm also just in love with the creative talent that teams have," Spencer said. "Because in the end, I think, it's about fun games. It's about fun games that people love to play."

Spencer also admitted that getting across to consumers what makes a next-gen game compelling will be difficult, considering the change is no longer standard definition to high definition in terms of visuals.

"It's a good challenge," Spencer said, of marketing next-gen experiences. "If you think about the original Xbox to Xbox 360, it was SD to HD. You saw those differences. I do think you're seeing visuals now that are remarkably different, but yeah, in your mind's eye you might think they look similar, but you put them side by side, and there's a dramatic difference."

The Xbox One launches in November for $500, a full $100 above Sony's competitive product, the PlayStation 4.

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sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

If the online DRM was so good, why did they just do a 180 after all that shit they talked?  Now they need to get rid of the mandatory NSA camera.

PsychicKiller82
PsychicKiller82

I'm so tired of hearing about the pricing of each console at the end of articles. Most of us gamers know the PS4 is $399 and the X1 is $499. The X1 is a better quality console so that is why i'm getting it. The multiplayer costs to play on the PS4 now and it will still be a shit service, as well as bad exclusives. X1 FTW!

hordaak
hordaak

The reason I'm not getting a PS4 is the exactly demonstrated in the comment section of each of these articles. PS4 people are just jealous idiots that can't engage in a normal conversation. We get it, we get it, you don't have an internet connection. You can't always be on. You don't have internet at your house...if the internet at your house goes out, you won't call your cable company to get it online as soon as possible. Your cell phone isn't always connected to the internet. If it ever fails, you won't call at&t or verizon, or whomever to get it online as fast as humanly possible. You use an old phone. You don't mind now having to pay sony to play multiplayer. Thats totally cool. we get it. Calm down. 

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

It is all a marketing ploy, to trick you, the consumer, into always online DRM.  This is NOT Next Gen.  Ask Ubisoft how well always online DRM worked for Anno2070 and Assassins Creed 2 on PC.  They backtracked because PC gamers stopped buying.  Low sales forced them to change that policy.  Oh but now they're going after the youth and misinformed console owners and tricking them into it.  Have fun being told when, what, and where you can play a game you bought.

tevic
tevic

On the same subject as my preceding post: what will happen when "always-online" servers shut down ?

"The Crew":  Game Over

"Destiny":  Game Over

etc.

And this can happen quite fast, much faster than the console cycle. Imagine that three years after launch not enough people play The Crew. Will Ubisoft hesitate shutting down the servers ?

So in this case you will be left with a $60 useless disc.


tevic
tevic

I support Sony's offline stance, BUT there's a very worrying trend: a lot of next-gen *games* become always-online.

We've got the new Test Drive Unlimited (The Crew) and the next Halo (Destiny), both rebranded as "MMOs" and now always online. Add to this Titanfall (a Call of Duty style game) and maybe even Sunset Overdrive (a Crackdown style game).

As you can read in the article below, The Crew completely plays off the disc so there're really no need for always online. It's blatantly anti-consumer DRM. When asked, the developers, embarrassed, say "it's next gen, always-online like World of Warcraft"

I can see a future where Call of Duty, GTA, Battlefield, Borderlands will suddenly all become "MMOs" with "seamless integration of singleplayer and multiplayer" and of course saving into the cloud and no offline play.

So as more and more AAA games will be rebranded "MMO" simply for the sake of putting an always-online DRM, maybe Sony's offline stance with the PS4 will make no difference after all. What's the point of owning an offline console if all the big games demand always online ? 

So I hope Sony will put pressure on the editors for them to include offline modes in all their games. After all offline play has become since E3 THE selling argument of the PS4. So I hope for the best, Sony our future as happy offline gamers lies in your hands !


http://kotaku.com/ubisofts-next-gen-racing-game-is-always-online-they-e-512250025

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

Dude:  You know what's really cool guys?

Other Dudes: What?

Dude: Not being able to play your games whenever you want.

Other Dudes: What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

Other Dudes: Are you on drugs?

Dude: No.

Other Dudes:  Well maybe you should be?

COPMAN221ISBACK
COPMAN221ISBACK

Well I know what defines a next-gen console sure as hell isn't the xbone. If I have to check in with SKYNET just to play any game Microscam can go fuck themselves. We all know from their past history that once those servers are no longer available your game collection is gone.. Just read here what they are doing with their DRM music http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9926476-7.html

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

Remember people, by ignoring problems today, they will disappear tomorrow.  

<End sarcasm>

daviz88
daviz88

I just read some of the comments posted here and i can't believe all the shit I am seeing like "THE XBOX IS THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF CLOUD GAMING". facts are facts clouding gaming has becoming an integral aspect of gaming no doubt. But to be connected 24 hrs is just stupid because the world has yet to fully grasp the full capabilities of cloud gaming. remote area & some countries like mine have limited internet access, how will they cope with this new movement, I very sorry but those people that support these 24 hrs connection policy to me just sound like self-centred ignorant xbone fan-boys who just because they have well established internet connection feel this is the right-way to go. okay I know you guys like your xbox, I mean I bought a ps3 despite its drawn backs on initial release, but that doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye on xbone shortcomings.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@PsychicKiller82 I'm so happy some of my fellow Xbox Users understand the brilliant piece technology Microsoft has produced. I welcome you to my Xbox family, brother.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@hordaak @yearssomuch @funktacious I hate the fact that ,when the few people still on Microsoft's side defend the Xbox One with hard researched facts and perceptions, we get called fan boys. Yet if you look at 90% of the PS4 base the comments are filled with things such as "Xbox One is shit cuz PS4 is better hardware!" or "Xbox one will spy on you!" or "M$ only wnat money!!" . Upon reading these kind of comments, you would definitely expect for people to think it is absurd to believe these statements. However, the majority of ill informed users actually accept them and then echo the dribble to the rest of the community. The PS4 fanbase grew due to the wrong comments being spread.

The 10% that DO provide plausible reason for their choice of PS4 over Xbox also fall into conformity. "Xbox One is inferior because GDDR5 is better than DDR3" Please do some research people. Sony chose the 5 because of its faste r ability to render chunks and improve graphic fidelity. Microsoft DIDN'T chose it because it overheats after some time and this excess heat causes the console to slow down. As well as slow it down, the signals sent from A to B for switching is also slowed down. Xbox One's feature of switching between two games, two screens or two devices would be lagged if they went with the GDDR5. Any enhanced graphic fidelity from the GDDR5 compared to the DDR3 will not be seen by the naked eye and ,therefore , would make no difference if you put games from both consoles side by side; confirmed by developers and engineers.

"Xbox One will spy on you!" Completely idiotic. A company would not spend millions or billions storage space to record you sitting on your couch. "People could hack into it" There's more of a chance of some one hacking into your phone camera than hacking into Xbox Live which Microsoft has invested $700 Million towards the security and servers. 

"M$ only want money" Of course they want money. A profit company does only want money so that they can keep on funding the company and keep on making money! Fucking idiots... what do you think Sony wants? Hugs and Kisses?! If they cared about you then PSN would be free. But no, its not free, they have to get more money coming in that going out. That's how a company works. 

Xbox One propaganda... its more believable and logical than PS4 fans talking nonsense and watching it spread.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@hordaak No, that's just the internet. Maybe you don't remember the hate that Sony received for overpricing the PS3 at launch, and how loved the Xbox 360 was. To generalize anyone who prefers the PS4 over the X1 as 'jealous idiots' shows your banal mentality.

Besides, I've seen you all over GameSpot, spreading X1 propaganda like it's going out of style. Give it up, fanboy.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@hordaak Haha, actually made me laugh. Little PS4 kids just don't do their research. Just listen to their friends and conform. Join me in my Xbox family, brother.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@sexyeyes79 Notice how none of the Xbot's are commenting on a well-informed comment, about how they're being brainwashed into thinking DRM'd consoles are a good thing. Nope, the X1 is simply a superior machine and we should all buy their console. That's what Microsoft wants, to extend their control into your living room. But keep drinking the Kool-Aid, fanboys.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@tevic  

Oh but that's a good thing, don't you know.  That's leading the way for advancement and benefiting you, the gamer.

PDiddyHere
PDiddyHere

@tevic y will the servers shut down? y will not enough ppl play i thought if millions of console r being sold then million of games will be too... hmm im confused

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@COPMAN221ISBACK  

The wave of the future.  CONTROL!  I hope everyone's shortsightedness gets them their just deserves. This goes farther than a console war.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

Do you think being tricked into paying for their CCTV infrastructure will stop there?  Does not anyone look beyond the now?

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@daviz88 Obviously the target audience for the Xbox One is not people living in a place without a well established internet connection. Sure, I think Microsoft are releasing this "always online" too early.  

The internet was commercialized in the mid 90s. In the past 15 years the internet has spread to over half of the world population. Population growth, economy growth, inflation; all these things have been multiplying , and like cells, keep on growing faster. Why can this not be the same for internet connection? We are already able to create our own Wi-Fi hotspot on our phones (which Microsoft have also said you can use if your malfunctions) so Microsoft are preparing (maybe too early) for the future in which many many more people with have the privilege of stable internet connection.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@daviz88  

I have had stable broadband cable internet from TIME WARNER ROADRUNNER since 1994.  What does that have to do with requiring me to be online to play my SP games?

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@PsychicKiller82 You sound like a blind drone, spouting out nonsense that you know nothing about, and will continue to know nothing about, for months to come.

'The X1 is a better quality console'? You can't say that, neither console is on the market so comparisons are few and far between. Anything you see or read about X1 being a 'better quality console' is based on your own speculation and nothing more. If you simply choose to support the console over others, then more power to you, but your words make you sound like an idiot, if I'm just being honest.

'The multiplayer costs to play on the PS4 now and it will still be a shit service, as well as bad exclusives.' Oh God.. PSN has been fine ever since the network outage, which is ancient history at this point. To be so full of yourself as to suggest that it will still be a shit service when there is a required payment that will obviously go to funding their servers, well quite frankly it makes you look like the typical Xbox fanboy that says the kind of retarded crap you're saying. As for exclusives.. I'll admit that Microsoft has put me in a sort of predicament by bagging Quantum Theory, but other than that? The exclusives look awful. What's that, more Forza and Halo? Snore, no thanks.

funktacious
funktacious

@yearssomuch "Besides, I've seen you all over GameSpot, spreading X1 propaganda like it's going out of style. Give it up, fanboy." Oh the irony...

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@PDiddyHere @tevic Game servers get shut down all of the time, it's not a wild concern to have. But way to buy into the hype machine, fool.

COPMAN221ISBACK
COPMAN221ISBACK

@sexyeyes79 @COPMAN221ISBACK I was originally looking forward to owning both systems but after learning about Microscams plans I said fuck no to the xbone. Your right, It's nothing more then MS trying to control everything so they can Nickel and dime us even more. What kills me more is the dumb asses here that don't see the problem with any of this. Microscam can sugar coat it and double talk all they want but they're not fooling me. The 360 didn't require check ins and I can still play it off line without checking in with Skynet. Like you said dude it's all about CONTROL and this benefits no one but Microscam..

daviz88
daviz88

exactly, I'm not saying its completely bad, I'm just think its too early.

yearssomuch
yearssomuch

@PsychicKiller82 Besides, the whiny crybabies who like to insist that PSN is 'sooo much laggier' than XBL are ill-informed and have no idea what they're talking about. As an owner of both consoles who has done extensive online gaming on both, there is absolutely nothing wrong with PSN. The only time I get consistent lag is when I'm playing with foreigners, and obviously this happens on Xbox as well.

In fact, you referring to the PSN as a 'shit service' at all makes me realize what a fanboy you are.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@PDiddyHere @sexyeyes79 @COPMAN221ISBACK  

If you're being serious, I have nothing to say.  Good luck!

COPMAN221ISBACK
COPMAN221ISBACK

@sexyeyes79 @COPMAN221ISBACK yes it is dude. I like the fact that I can turn on my 360, PS3, XBOX, PS2, PS1, SATURN, WIIU, GAMECUBE,N64, TURBO DUO, SEGACDX, NEO GEO, SUPERNES, and NES, pop in a game which I physically own and play. Microscam thinks this is all bad and want to take it away from us. I am a game and system collector. The xbone is not for me. FU Microscam and choke on it!!

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@sexyeyes79 You are completely off topic. At this point I feel like you're just pulling whatever lame complaints you have out of your ass to shout. Go ahead, rant. Doesn't make a difference to anyone set on buying an Xbox One. From here on, things are only uphill. (As they have always been)

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@dskribe @sexyeyes79  

That's right, I yelled.  Acting like an adult.  "ACTING?"  Is that what you teach your family, to "ACT"?  

Yes it related to Microsoft and everyones lives.  Live in your hole, but there are people who choose to live with their heads out of the sand.  Ignoring everything til it explodes  is not the answer.

dskribe
dskribe

@sexyeyes79 

Ok, you're just being annoying now. Please stop with that shit. None of it is directly related to Xbox One. More importantly, at least pretend to respect people's right to make their own choices based on what works best for them. You claim to be an adult, so try acting like one for a change and quit yelling at everyone through your computer monitor.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@JohnCro @daviz88 Precisely. Everyone shit on Xbox Live. Now its known as the number one online gaming service for a console. Everyone shit on the iPod and iTunes saying it was a rip off to pay for music and such. Now it is the number one software for creating revenue. Everyone shit on Steam for its DRM. Now its the most popular/ used portal for PC games.

JohnCro
JohnCro

@daviz88 

thats what people thought when xbox released xbox live on a broadband connection

Glongold
Glongold

@JynxGSpot Speaking from experience playing the FUSE demo on the PS3 i can say that is NOT how it happens at least from this EA title. When our network cut out for a few minutes not only did a big red dialog popup and prevent us from playing, when the network did come back we had to start the level all over again! 

So no. Best one can do is research (go online, check the back of the box, whatever) to see which games impose these restrictions and avoid purchasing the ones that do.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@JynxGSpot  

Over thinking?  Yeah, being naive always makes everything better.  Hoping for the best in everything.  It's quite funny.  

I have old systems and I still use them.  So does a lot of people.  We still play OUR old systems and games.  

What will you play without the internet?

daviz88
daviz88

yeah.......about that i not to big on the whole multiplayer stuff and i know some gamers are not. I'm a single player guy and putting that kind of restriction on single player makes it more or less like multiplayer without multiple player involved.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

If your internet connection were to go down during a multiplayer match, then regardless of the console, whether it be ps4 or x1, you can't play multiplayer without connection. Basic knowledge.. If you were playing a single player campaign and your internet went down, you would get a notification that you are logged out of xbox live but you would still be able to carry on with the game for 24 hours. Let's say after 2 hours you're still playing, and your internet comes back on then you just get another notification that you're liogged back into XBL. simple as that. No interuptions. no gaming experience ruined.

daviz88
daviz88

24 HRS loss of connection?  well that depends on the country because i have experienced that in my country, but there other serve providers so that might be a bit of an over shot, but a few seconds of signal loss might spoil your gaming, may be MS has a wok around but i don't know. and as for the whole disadvantage of discs you do know that xbox one still uses a disc with the 24 hrs connection stuff.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

It springs a bell tellin me that some people in my school are overthinking possibilities in which the Xbox One could fail. Such as their internet shut down for more than 24 hours; highly unlikely to happen. I could name more likely scenarios to happen on the PS4. A disk breaking, getting lost, stolen, scratch. Four ways you could lose your whole gamee

daviz88
daviz88

internet connection tend to fluctuate once in while in fact it go-off completely for a period of time depending on your location. now what if this where happen when playing a game, you will have to save & wait till the connection comeback and maybe it might take a few minutes or even sec in certain areas like UK & US but such constriction might spoil the gaming experience.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@JynxGSpot @daviz88  

That shouldn't be an alarm bell to you?  People that it doesn't affect are expressing their concerns?  Do you not see the irony?

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

@daviz88 I'm not saying its completely good either; I'm just annoyed at people, mostly people in my school with better connection than me, that are complaining about always online when it doesn't affect them. As a matter of fact, nearly all of the UK shouldn't have a problem with always online or 24 hour check ins. No hurricanes, blackouts, sever shut downs etc. I'm my personal opinion, I believe a lot of the complaints on the internet are due to conformity.