Microsoft on 1080p/60fps -- "These little things get way overblown"

Product planning director Albert Penello says the real differences between Xbox One and PS4 game experiences are "pretty minor."

The real differences between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 games are "pretty minor," so making a point to get worked up over benchmarks like 1080p and 60fps isn't worth it, Xbox director of product planning Albert Penello has said.

"Look, I've had a lot of time to think about this and I believe in what I said. I believe that the differences [between the PS4 and Xbox One] is not that great," Penello said during the latest Gamertagradio podcast. "And I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this...than a lot of people. Sometimes I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me that I am wrong. Right now, I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story."

Square Enix revealed earlier this week that the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition will run at 60fps on PS4, while the Xbox One frame rate remains a mystery. Penello said it could be true that Tomb Raider runs at 30fps on Xbox One, but pointed out that the Xbox One is just a couple months old and experiences are only going to get better with time.

"I think if you look at the titles that we launched that were multiplatform titles, the bulk of them were the same [resolution and frame rate]," Penello said. "I think there were 12 titles released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], and all but three of them had basically the same performance on both boxes. Everybody wants to focus on...there's a frame rate thing going on with Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there's a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are weeks in, we just shipped, it's a long generation."

"I think people who bought an Xbox One are going to be in for an awesome generation of games that are only going to get better," he added. "And an awesome generation of experiences. I think these little things get way overblown versus like the quality of the games and the real differences in the two experiences which are pretty minor."

Penello was joined by Xbox chief of staff Aaron Greenberg on the podcast, who offered a unique analogy for the differences between the Xbox One and PS4 with respect to the ongoing 1080p/60fps debate.

"At the end of the day, it's like we're the movie theater that has all the blockbuster movies and has the most screens," Greenberg said. "And then somebody has figured out that there's also another movie theater that has less screens but like if you look at this one movie sometimes it looks better on their screen. And on our movie theater, sure, sometimes some of our movies look better. You know what, I think the games on PS4 look fantastic. I play them, I enjoy them. I think they've done a great job with their device. I think it's great for the industry that they've had success. At the end of the day, if I have to pick one box, I'm going to pick ours. I work here. I root for the home team. I'm very biased. I feel like if you're going to buy one box, you should buy the Xbox One because it does deliver an all-in-one experience. It does have the best exclusives. It does have the best-looking games."

Sony president of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida told GameSpot last year that native 1080p allows you to be a "better gamer."

"I don't think any team is just fixated on 1080p; it's just one of the options...but [1080p] games allow you to be more precise and a better gamer. That's clearly the benefit," he said at the time.

Written By

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and is a big UCONN athletics fan.

Discussion

4427 comments
Ibunshi
Ibunshi

I noticed the difference between 30/60 fps on Assassins Creed even on this stream.. i thought it was most noticeable when he pulled his weapon and if you looked at the crosshair, it was slightly more twitchy on the 30fps... however, this is not something i would personally care much about, it is so subtle that it would not interfere much with my gaming... i would perhaps have cared if i played many hours a day, but i think of all gamers out there, that is rare compared to the one that maybe puts in just a couple of hours a day, or even less.. most gamers would not have more time than that.. that is one of the reasons i got the xbox one instead of the ps4..i didn't get it just for the gaming, but also for its other features which looked promising and seem to have some nice potential with all the cloud hype and whatnot..., and so after looking at comparison vids i thought the difference was so minimal that i see it pretty much pointless to whine about unless you are either a fanboy being a tad bit over defensive with his choice, and that feels he somehow needs to make it VERY clear it is a big deal, even though the majority would not care much or even notice..

or, you play so much that you basically have invested something important into it all, and therefore want things to be as good as you can possibly get, where that little extra flow is something you feel is important... but then again, that is not the typical gamer, and i would personally not have gone for consoles at all if i had cared a lot about which hardware the best looking graphics comes from.

xeis-net
xeis-net

Microsoft adopting Nintendo's argument.

zkm128
zkm128

While the Xbox One frame rate remains a mystery, After reading this article, I think Xbox console producers want to make more profit by cutting hardware production cost...but I'm not sure. IT STILL REMAINS A MYSTERY.

ericfoss
ericfoss

What a Bozo.  So, we're supposed to believe that 30fps is just as good as 60fps?  Or that 740p is as good as 1080p?  Or that 60Hz is as good as 240Hz?  Tell that idiocy to someone in the market for a 65" HDTV.


I don't have either system, but, currently, the PS4 is able to play in 1080p/60fps; the XBox One isn't.  That is relevant, regardless of what this Microsoft dork says...

andmcq
andmcq

I think it's overblown. It's a game ffs.

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

Also wasn't there a test performed on gamers playing at 30 and 60 fps and it found that gamers playing at 60fps were better as a result? 

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

Yes... because when buying a console people are just concerned with how the games at initial release play. Of course Microsoft are going to defend that their machine is less powerful "oh it's not a big deal". Look 3 or 4 years down the line and you'll see the exclusives from Sony will beat the pants off the Xbone's.


Also 60fps should be a bare minimum. If you can't handle that, then you have no business making games in 2014.

FartSlash
FartSlash

Has anyone else noticed how Chair level staff think they can win any argument with a stupid, overtly self-serving metaphor? Drives me nuts. Maybe you should open a movie theater, you suit wearing asshat.  

Noclippin
Noclippin

60fps is old... seriously... I ran 100fps 15 years ago

Ultramarinus
Ultramarinus

Indeed, those little things called pixels are way overblown on our screens with your 720p games.

zyxahn
zyxahn

He is just skeeeered because people will get the PS4 games now for the graphics and trophies instead of the Xbox's achievements and graphics.  They don't have that gamerscore strangle hold they used to.  The definitive edition of the new Tomb Raider game would normaly have been an Xbox no brainer for me because of the achievements, but not now.  Since they have something like it with trophies and better graphics this is a PS4 no brainer now.  My opinion of course.  As always I have both so intended trolling fanboyism here.

wm3sv
wm3sv

I agree in some terms with you but graphics changed once psx came to scene. An that my friend as old gamer as we are iis important.


But the whole thing changed at all once doom 3 and half-life 2 came along. At that time i got a geforce 680 and everything changed. 


So, what i'm trying to say is that no matter powerful this so said new next-gen consoles do i haven't played yet any game at least whit the graphic quality of at least metro 2033, an 2010 game.


I think the problem is all about markething, i have a laptop with apu processor and they perform good but there's no comparisson to a gtx 770 and there will always be a huge diference

themyst
themyst

I'm an older gamer that tinkered around in BASIC on an IBM PC-XT and received an Atari 2600 with the Combat/Pac-Man pack-in as a Christmas gift.  


FPS is a HUGE deal.  Can you imagine Super Mario Bros playing at 30fps?  Or Soul Calibur at 30fps?  Or tell the difference from Doom framelocked to 30fps to Quake with no such restriction? Any gamer that simply accepts 30fps as playable is in flat-out denial.  


I absolutely hated the PSX/N64 generation because many of the games ran at such pisspoor framerates.  

wyan_
wyan_

This shit isn't overblown... at least for now anyway. I'll be buying Tomb Raider for the PS4 and not even dare think of buying it for my Xbox One. Whenever I feel like buying a multiplat on a console, I'll be buying it for the console that performs better. Looks like I'll buying more games for PS4... until the Oculus comes out. :D

Defender1978
Defender1978

Tomb Raider runs and looks great on my pc. 

jhpiv4
jhpiv4

All I can say is THANK GOODNESS they both have 8 GB of ram... now at least the ideas they have won't be held back by memory constraints.

bruta
bruta

i dont have enough popcorn for these console dramas

#PC MASTER RACE

Abberon
Abberon

Anyone trying to defend 30 fps is in complete denial for gaming.  30 fps sucked 5 years ago and the difference between that and 60 fps was enormous on a lot of games.  Playing WoW back in 2007 was annoying at 30 fps.  After upgrading my computer I've never been able to stand it since.  

0x0100
0x0100

I don't think 1080p makes you a better gamer. All it is is better graphics. As long as all things onscreen are understandable, the resolution doesn't matter unless you have to shoot at things that are about 1 pixel in size, or something. That's all I have to say.

Jasper_73
Jasper_73

ID's game Rage, although a disappointing game. It ran at a constant 60 fps on 360, and was to me very noticeable. The game felt silky smooth all the way through. There is nothing worse for me in gaming than when frame rate drops. If a game has to run at 30 fps, then fine just make sure it stays constant. If they can manage 60 fps then all the better. JUST SO LONG AS IT STAYS CONSTANT.

slainta
slainta

I'd love to know what MS thinks about TR: DE running at as low as 18 fps on Xbone.

willjohnboy
willjohnboy

Eddies regular Troll Posting aside it's funny that Microsoft says the differences don't matter yet they are now working on a patch to free up the power that's used for the kinnect so games can run in full 1080p and up the frame rate to get as close to 60fps but the differences don't matter to you does it Microsoft? (for the record i have every console inc an Xbox one and a decent gaming pc just commenting on Microsoft's hypocrisy), i just wish they'd admit it was a mistake to force a kinnect on us then this whole 1080p/60fps argument would be irrelevant, I'm calling it right here after E3 2014 there will be a kinnect less Xbox One at a lower price to go along with a kinnect included Xbox one it's to late for me but it would help those who didn't get one because of the kinnect.

avery04
avery04

Ryse looks fucking awesome!!!

Kenshiro26
Kenshiro26

Gaming on PC 1080p120fps FTW!!!

IMPACT_17
IMPACT_17

If a game doesn't run at 60 FPS on 1920x1080 on my PC then it doesn't stay installed.

gshawempyrion
gshawempyrion

Honestly, I am disappointed by "NextGen" consoles... Seriously, how long has 1080p TV's been on the market? If you were going to be a next gen console, wouldn't 1080p be the absolute minimum requirement? I am a big 360 fan and the One does feel like a letdown.. Sorry Microsoft, but you missed the mark on this console..

dark_rage864
dark_rage864

is the quality the same as the speed is the same as the quality is the speed but the quality will define the speed of the speed that brings the quality that you just got mind fucked bitches!

blackothh
blackothh

i was very interested in the new consoles, but after i found out they look like crap, and run like crap, I have absolutly no interest in getting them.


30fps or less with no AA @ 720p is god awful to look at on a large format screen. its hands down the reason ive stopped playing console games half way through the last generation. 10 years later there is no reason they could not raise the bar considerably. people keep saying that there is nowhere left to go but up and things will be better from here on out, but for the next 10 years i think there is only one way to go and its down.


how they hell are they going to handle 2160p??????????????????? thats handling 4x the amount of pixels, so that brings us down to about 15fps.


I wish both systems were better.


And this entire article sounds like its coming from someone losing an argument.

CUDGEdave
CUDGEdave

30fps in this day and age?You can see a massive difference playing at 60fps than 30fps(just look how jerky GTA5 is  and how the frame rate dips below 30) btw using GTA5 as an example.

Darkman2007
Darkman2007

"Xbox One is just a couple months old and experiences are only going to get better with time"

to some extent this is true, but at the same time, both consoles are using PC hardware (or derivatives of it), this isn't like in the past where consoles used exotic or obscure hardware where developers had alot more to learn.


also no 1080p/60fps isn't necessarily a deal breaker, but its not exactly impressive to see many games missing it. typically speaking, when consoles came out they had similar or slightly better visuals and hardware to what was in the PCs of that year or era, from the Famicom in 1983 being just as good or better than the C64 , to the PS1 being very competitive with PCs circa 1994-5, to the PS3 and 360 using GPUs which were common in average gaming PCs at the time, this has always been the case, with a few exceptions.


in this case, they are already having to cut down the resolution or detail  (given even an average gaming PC can play games at 1080+ res), which , while isn't bad by itself, makes one wonder what will happen in 3-5 years (given how long it took for the 7th gen to end, I can't see new consoles for at least 6-8 years , if at all). developers might end up having the excuse of "the hardware stifles creativity", its a poor excuse but its been used before.


ie, in the short term it doesn't mean a lot, but one should think long term about this.

spenta
spenta

I could buy a car by placing $100 bets with people by asking them to correctly guess which game is being played at 30fps and which is at 60fps.  

Fresh_C
Fresh_C

@fastharry This is a very strange way to confess your hidden siscon desires.

wyan_
wyan_

@brutaI bet you have a lot of poopcorn though son...

wm3sv
wm3sv

@0x0100 I agree, but if you have a big screen (40" +) you can clearly see the diference between each other

wm3sv
wm3sv

@Jasper_73 Hey bro, play it on pc and changing textures to 16k, using a geforce gtx 760 4GB, especially if you have 6-8 core processor and win8.1 and i bet you change your mind

themyst
themyst

@IMPACT_17 Oh c'mon :)  45 fps isn't so bad!  Sleeping Dogs ran around that rate on my GTX550ti and I got through the game!

blackothh
blackothh

but hey, you get what you pay for.

Jasper_73
Jasper_73

@Darkman2007 ^well there is always the steam box^ :-D

PS the " ^ " symbol is used as a sarcastrophe or sometimes just as means to indicate humour as i have done hear.

wm3sv
wm3sv

@spenta Your problem is that you're not used to playing at 60fps, it think you are a console player and have never tried something better as a good video card

lee0577
lee0577

@spentaI some how doubt that very much.Have you actually tried playing a game at 1080/ 60fps? I really do not think you have else you would not make such a ridiculous statement.

Jasper_73
Jasper_73

@wm3sv @Jasper_73 Would love to, but unfortunately buying a kick ass PC is a little beyond my means. Anyway frame rate issues aren't always about hardware, quite often its a software problem. In those cases it doesn't matter how good the hardware is it will always stutter until its been fixed with a software patch or just redesigned entirely.

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

@themyst @IMPACT_17 They should run charity commercials for you.

"themyst doesn't have to walk 15 miles a day to get fresh water... but he does have to game at 45fps... for just $5 a month, YOU can help change his life by affording him the PC GPU upgrade he so desperately needs" 

Jasper_73
Jasper_73

@Ayato_Kamina_1 @Jasper_73  Well thats just the thing. If I had a spare £400 - £500 to spend I would spend it on a pc. Unfortunately I don't. I'll have to wait until the consoles come down to some where nearer my price range, before I even think about buying one. Good PC's never come down in price because they are always at the cutting edge of technology. Unless I somehow come into some money before hand, its going to be a couple of years before I go next gen. :-(

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

@Jasper_73 Thing about PC gaming is... you don't have to start out with sli 780s or anything. If you're smart about what you buy, you can get a PC now that can run games on ultra settings for the next 3 years for a little more than you'd pay for a next gen console. 

If you're smart and get the right deal :p