Microsoft exec thinks a new platformer from Banjo-Kazooie developer would be great

Phil Spencer also points to Max: The Curse of the Brotherhood as an example of the platforming genre.

The idea of a new platformer from Rare, who in their heyday made Donkey Kong Country and Banjo-Kazooie, "would be great", according to Microsoft studios president Phil Spencer.

In a conversation on Twitter, Spencer discussed the platform genre and pointed toward Press Play's upcoming Xbox 360 and Xbox One title Max: The Curse of the Brotherhood, then mentioned the long-dormant Banjo series.

A desire to resurrect Banjo has also been expressed by Rare. "We've got ideas for most older Rare IP, you won't be surprised to hear. There's quite a lot of desire to do that, and Viva Pinata, Conker... Banjo's very popular internally, a lot of people want to do stuff with Banjo," said Rare's Simon Woodroffe in an interview with CVG back in August.

Microsoft handed development duties of a new entry in the Killer Instinct series, created by Rare, to Double Helix Games. The Xbox One maker acquired Rare in 2002, with the developer initially producing Grabbed by the Ghoulies and a remake of Conker's Bad Fur Day for the original Xbox. Rare was then instrumental to the launch of the Xbox 360, and was behind launch titles Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero.

It later developed Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, but is more well-known these days as the studio behind the Kinect Sports series. Kinect Sports Rivals is due for release in 2014.

When it comes to resurrecting Microsoft IP, Spencer has also said multiple times in the past that he'd like to see a Crackdown 3.

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eamo-k
eamo-k

Has it really taken Microsoft Studios president just over 10 years to realise Rare, a company that has made some of the greatest platformers ever, might be a good pick for a platforming game? Seriously?

We'll probably get a Nuts & Bolts sequel instead.

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

I wish Rare would make games for XBOne AND PC.  It's not like Microsoft doesn't friggin own and create Windows...oh wait a second...


I'm just glad to hear they're wanting to make legit games once again.  A couple years ago when they started making those Kinect Sports games they said they have no interest in making games for their existing older properties (basically all the games everyone has always loved about Rare).


Make new games based on your existing franchises Rare, OR make new IP and innovate like you used to.  And put the games on PC!  Microsoft said recently they plan to double down on making sure future Xbox games also come to PC way more often.  Well, here's your chance to prove it with something people would actually want to play.

TriggerManX97
TriggerManX97

or you know, they could just make Banjo-Threeie.

Sozialminister
Sozialminister

Why is Microsoft always talking about awesome sounding games they would like to see, but they never produce?

jtthegame316
jtthegame316

yes ms that is the way forward use every ip you have due to owning the company that owns it.  as well as making new ips as you have been having your studios do.more banjo would be a good move. as well as more conker. it would be a good move for you to go to sega and make shenmue 3 happen to although that would be a good move for ms. nintendo or sony to rescue.

dreamcast210
dreamcast210

I love BK:N&B. That is a fantastic game and was ahead of it's time when you look at the success of games like Minecraft and Disney Infinity. Going back to the BK roots on the new generation of hardware would be "Oh, so good."

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

I have to give credit to Phil Spencer. He has really lock down some great games for the Xbox One both at launch and in the future. Take a look at the launch line up and the variety of games with got Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Killer Instinct, Powerstar Golf, Crimson Dragon, etc.. He even locked up Peggle 2 for a limited time. Now, look at 2014 Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Halo 5, Forza Horizon 2 (I hope), a new IP from Black Tusk, etc... This guy is doing his job really well and we should give credit where credit is due. 

Darkmek
Darkmek

Rare has been garbage ever since Microsoft got their dirty hands all over it. Don't ask for a great series to return from a company your company helped bury in the ground moron...

getupandboogie
getupandboogie

yes please :) love banjo kazooie, love nuts and bolts, tooie was..... alright, but the first banjo kazooie was immense!

seriousdave
seriousdave

New Banjo and Conker would sound nice if it wouldn't also include Rare and Microsoft. Rare made some timless and brilliant games in the past but that's it, all the recent stuff is that crappy kinect garbage. It's just my opinion but i think it would be better to let those franchises rest in peace in our childhood and don't ruin their legacy with crappy new entries that we can expect by now.

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

How about just letting Rare be Rare again? Give them a budget and leave the room.

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

I would love to see Banjo Kazooie and Conker make a return but it would feel wrong on anything but a Nintendo. 

Microsoft could cash in on this though.

Masterchief5525
Masterchief5525

I'd like Viva Pinata 3 for the X1 along with a new Banjo

GrenadeLauncher
GrenadeLauncher

He always says this.


Face facts, another Banjo is not happening and if it was it would be farmed on to Double Helix and have Waggle forced in. Let people's fond childhood memories die happily, Phil.

cboye18
cboye18

The people who made Rare legendary aren't at Rare anymore. Also, the gaming industry has changed since then (for the worst IMO), so having the same qualities as the previous games would be almost impossible.


In short, don't expect much.

Coonfoot
Coonfoot

A new classic-style Banjo game might be the only reason I'd ever by an Xbox One.


...Then again, most of the people that made Rare great in the first place aren't at Rare anymore. Unless they get those people back, I'm actually not sure I want this to happen. I'd probably rather have them just give the IP to someone else, either to a different developer, like they did with Killer Instinct, or back to Nintendo. If it could be the latter, I'd love to see Retro Studios take on the franchise, as some former Rare employees are there now and they've done such a good job reviving Donkey Kong Country. Banjo's music composer Grant Kirkhope said himself that he'd love to see a new platforming Banjo game on the Wii U.

Barighm
Barighm

Yes, it would be a great idea.


A better question is, how adept is MS at capitalizing on great ideas instead of safe ones (ie. insert generic shooter #9450345 here)?

doggiezilla
doggiezilla

this game will more likely be on xbox one damn it

GalvatronType_R
GalvatronType_R

Not gonna happen.  Microsoft takes no chances and has no business courage whatsoever and Rare is a shell of its former self.

tretre32
tretre32

FUCK!!! ALL!!!!THIS!!!! SHIT!!!! GIVE!!! ME!!!!!! BATTLE(MOTHERFUCKIN)TOADS!!!!! SHEEESH!!

zyxomma100
zyxomma100

A lot of people bash Nuts and Bolts, but the crazy thing is that it's almost universally praised by everyone who's actually played the game for a few hours. It's kind of like The Incredible Machine mixed with Lego and given a physics engine. It's one of the best and most creative games I've ever played, but its biggest flaw is that you have to wade through 1-2 hours of the game making fun of itself in order to get to that awesomeness.


Oh yeah, and people like to bash it simply because it's not a platformer, but that's not really an excuse to bash a game, when games like Madden, Portal, and Paper Mario aren't platformers either. (In other words, it's fair to be disappointed that you didn't get a game, but it's not fair to artificially decrease the scores of other games because of it.)

Poodger
Poodger

Nuts and Bolts was trash. Give us a real sequel. Give us Banjo Threeie (and pretend Nuts and Bolts never happened while you are at it Rare).

Slagar
Slagar

I think this could be a good idea, as long as Microsoft puts the resources in to make sure they get it right. MS needs more exclusive titles to make their system stand out, and bringing back some of Rare's old IPs would be a great way to do so, and to really give their system and brand some character to it (- again, as long as they put the money and time in to make sure the games are high quality). If they don't develop some great exclusives with heart/personal charm, I think the Xbox One will fail.

As a consumer, honestly I'm bored to tears with third party shooters and car games.

Diegoctba
Diegoctba

I'm waiting for a new Banjo since Nintendo 64, my dreams are shattered.

RicanV
RicanV moderator

Kazooie available as DLC $5.99.

mattress805
mattress805

@Sozialminister Because Microsoft would rather Rare work on stupid-ass Kinect titles, instead of some great old platformers. Conker's Bad Fur Day is one of my favorite platformers all time.  

lhughey
lhughey

@FallenOneX Rare is not Rare.  They don't even have the same developers.  M$ bought them when they were a shell of their own self.  All of the good developers had gone.  They might as well source the development to some other company

Rattlehead2Deth
Rattlehead2Deth

@GH05T-666 I agree completely, at least in the case of Banjo. A lot of people don't seem to agree with viewing Banjo as an overtly Nintendo brand, but I certainly do. I liked Nuts and Bolts probably more than the next guy, but I'm not sure about something like Banjo "Three-ie" or whatever they'd call it, since a lot of the talent who worked on those classic older games jumped ship when Microsoft was buying Rare's stocks, and even more left afterward. I'd be extremely happy if Nintendo purchased Banjo, got a new team together of ex-Rare employees and made Banjo 3...and included him in Smash Bros. Few things in gaming would make me as happy as this chain of events, which will... never happen.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@Barighm I don't follow this comment. Sony has released or is working on far more first party shooters than Microsoft.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@GalvatronType_R Yea because taking a billion dollar risk on the Surface, and a billion dollar risk on the Bone, and a giant risk on the original Xbox, and a giant risk on Windows 8, and on Windows Phone, none of those are risks.


Learn to read and research your bullshit lest it be exposed as being bullshit.

Poodger
Poodger

@zyxomma100Except that Banjo Kazooie is synonymous with platformers. Many people went into it thinking it would be like the old games. If they were going to make a lego vehicle game, then they should have used brand new characters, not beloved characters from a series that perfected platforming. Not only that, but the game went out of its way to insult the older games at every possible opportunity. It was a spit in the face to fans of the originals.

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

@RicanVKazooie skin pack for $3.99.  Turn the bird into an owl or a toucan!

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

@Deadlysyns87 @Snakepond1 Right now, I play the Xbox One more then my PS4. Resogun was fun, but lasted 5 hours max. Knack and Killzone were big disappoints in my opinion. 

zyxomma100
zyxomma100

@Poodger @zyxomma100 It didn't insult the older gamers at every possible opportunity. It took a pretty good swing at the gaming industry as a whole at about the 10 minute mark of gameplay, but that's about it. (I feel vindicated; it seems people who didn't like the game just played for an hour and then quit.)


Maybe they should've used new characters. Maybe not. You're still completing challenges to earn jiggies and open new areas. It still has the self depreciating humor that's always been in BK, and the art/music style is exactly the same. Why SHOULDN'T it be a Banjo Kazooie game? And whether it is or isn't, why does that affect the score of the game? Super Mario RPG had fewer platforming elements than Nuts and Bolts, and that never got criticized for it.

zyxomma100
zyxomma100

@DarkSaber2k @zyxomma100  Not only did the point sail over your head, you managed to let that happen when I typed it out for you in the parenthesis.


Here's the typical N&B hater:

Person A: "Ugh! Nuts and Bolts was trash! Give us a real platformer!"

Person B: "Did you actually play the game?"

A: "Uh... no."


Again, there are lots of games that aren't platformers, and whether past games were or weren't, that's no excuse to call a game trash. If you actually played the game for longer than an hour, then fine, but the majority of people who deride the game haven't actually played it. Most people who try it actually realize it's a great game.

zyxomma100
zyxomma100

@DarkSaber2k @zyxomma100 Oh. I thought you were actually trying to make a point.


For what it's worth, I hate Madden, and I consider Madden 06 (360/PS3) to be the second worst game of its console generation. I just chose a random game.