Metroid Prime trilogy director: 'Everything we do sucks'

Ex-Retro director Mark Pacini says all he sees is the bad things with past games, hopes fans will enjoy the Super Metroid-style Batman Arkham game from Armature Studios.

The Metroid Prime trilogy was praised by critics, but from the vantage point of director Mark Pacini, the games "sucked."

Speaking to Game Informer, the industry veteran--who left Retro Studios in 2008 after eight years with the company to open Armature Studios--offered a raw critique of Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

"I think everything we do sucks," Pacini said. "But that’s just me because I thought all the Prime games suck. At the end of the day all I see are all the bad things. Prime 2 was a blur to me. It was so quick, it was so fast. That thing just went out the door and it was a very divisive game. People either liked it or thought it sucked, and I can completely agree because I couldn't tell you what that game was because it happened so quickly. Prime 1 was the best designed game. Prime 3 I feel is the most fun one to play. Prime 2 is divisive. You either like it or you don't. That’s kind of the way I look at it."

Now with Armature Studios, Pacini and his team are working with Warner Bros. on Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate, a Super Metroid-style game for 3DS and PlayStation Vita. He said his mindset is the same with this game; though he wants fans to enjoy it, all he can see now is the "crap" that's wrong with it.

"It is the same thing here with the Arkham game. All I see at this point, because we are knee deep, we're in the woods right now in development, and all I see is all the crap that's wrong with it," Pacini said. "In my gut I feel like, yeah, it’s going to be cool. I’m excited for it. But at the same time, I hope we don’t disappoint people and I hope that they like it. We’re trying our hardest. I would like to play a game like this, so hopefully everyone else will, too."

Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate will launch October 25 alongside the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC game developed by WB Games Montreal.

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330 comments
Masta_Don
Masta_Don

I'm actually impressed by his "OCD" thinking. He'll keep trying and trying to do better with games only to our benefit. If he thought the Prime series sucked, imagine what a game would be like when "He" feels he put out a good one

lilj2626
lilj2626

WEL IF DIS FOOL FIGGA METROID SUCK GO RETRO MAKE A HD METROID N SUPER METROID 2 CLASSIX I BEAT N LUV DO WAT DUMASS KONAMI DOIN N MAKE A ENTIRE METROID COLLECT ERY METROID EVER MADE I GUARANTEE WIIU WILL SELL LIKE CRACK IM NOT YELLIN YAW IM JUST STATING FACTS

NTM23
NTM23

Hm. I didn't dislike Metroid Prime 2, but really, that's actually the only one I didn't beat, and I'd consider the Prime trilogy as one of the best. It's just weird to me, because Metroid Prime 2 is similar to the other two and I bought it back on GameCube (though late) and got it in the collection on the Wii, but didn't beat it, and in actuality, I think it's more memorable than three. I think after a while of trying to get through it and either not figuring out where to go or the fact that I didn't really like the Aether world all that much, I never went through it. My best friend beat the second one though, but not the third. Two and three did seem like they came and went though, even though they were good.

BattleStarX
BattleStarX

Guess I don't agree with him, I love the Prime series, by far some of my favorite Metroid games.

Now if only we had a sequel to Fusion, which at last check is the last game in-universe chronologically.

omar_q
omar_q

Speaking of Metroid Prime, I'm craving some new ones. 

The trilogy was a unique masterpiece among FPS's. 

baystatethrashr
baystatethrashr

Well Metroid Prime was one of the most original sequels and seriously one of the best games I've ever played so I don't know whats wrong with this guy.

quantumtheo
quantumtheo

Granted, this guy might have a tough time getting a job after this current job...

His next job interview:

"So, you say your work sucks. Why should we hire you?"

"uh...."

quantumtheo
quantumtheo

Dude needs to do some self medicating and not be so pessimistic... :-P

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

Ah, the artist's worst enemy and arch-nemesis -- Himself.

I can definately understand where he's coming from, it's the obstacle I suffer from alot when I try to create something.

Getting over yourself is not an easy task to do, it requires alot of confidence and optimism. This guy needs some.

thekazumalord
thekazumalord

I love to draw and i think my drawing aren't always that good but still...That director is a dumbass... Metroid Prime was and still is a masterpiece of a game. I still play it from time to time and it's still awesome.. Metroid Prime 2 Echos was also pretty damn good. Never played 3 cause it was on the Wii( and i gave up on nintendo consoles after the gamecube)  As for Arkham Origins? it might suck since it's not by Rocksteady. 

Rennik_Repotsir
Rennik_Repotsir

You're your worst critic. People like my drawings, but I think they all suck.

MJV1989
MJV1989

Don't know about Metroid Prime 3, but the original is one of my favourite games and I enjoyed number 2 a lot as well... But if those 2 masterpieces sucked, then a lot of games must be utter garbage...

faizanhd
faizanhd

Great . Developer of Metroid Prime says their games are crap and Crytek thinks Crysis 3 is a Masterpiece.  

ShadowOfKratos
ShadowOfKratos

Naw man, now I'm pissed!! Why can't this ever be said by EA instead?

gryzor2099
gryzor2099

Thanks to twitter and such more and more people involved in gaming industry come out as complete idiots.

TheGreatPhoenix
TheGreatPhoenix

if he considers the prime triology bad games compared to the new metroid games, I hope they'll make bad games their entire life, because I loved them, and the newer metroids were a step back

Biggs613
Biggs613

I hope it isn't "crap" or this guy might end up killing himself...

00Joseph00
00Joseph00

Staying positive is always the best feeling, but being realistic can help get you to more positive.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

I wonder how many people are just going to look at the title and make idiotic assumptions based on that alone.

cubachino
cubachino

Sounds like someone is about to get fired... Just ask Adam Orth

2w-sephiroth
2w-sephiroth

I understand him, some people have super high expectations of them selves. But its not good to share this openly with the whole world. Most people in the industry aim very high and its a cooperated game. 

CieloPerso
CieloPerso

Wow.  I wonder how this makes the other devs who worked with/under him on these games feel about his comments. 

ZombieJesus007
ZombieJesus007

Ugh.. from the story of this "Arkham" game (another prequel with Joker, Really?) to how this guy is talking, the Batman game is going to suck.  Arkham City looked as if it was gone over and over with a fine tooth comb but I'm willing to bet that this next game will be just as rushed as that Metroid game.

Trickymaster
Trickymaster

Why are devs trolling so much this month? Is April some kind of secret month of the troll?

bonzaibillie
bonzaibillie

Huh... Funny. I think this is actually a quote taken from the diary of Randy Pitchford.

X-RS
X-RS

Yall can call him a pessimist but to me hes one of the most positive things in gaming righ now!

Dark_Metamorphosis
Dark_Metamorphosis

I'm sure this guy got an angry call from Warner Bros. within a few hours...

hatieshorrer
hatieshorrer

Did you hear that.  The 3DS and Vita get a Metroid style BATMAN game! ^_^;

Vita owners will have something to play after all.  (Joking).

nanorazor
nanorazor

A case of Depression due to the long working hours of Game Developers. Also that GFC is depressing as people lose their Jobs..

cornbredx
cornbredx

It's like that with anything being created. The creator never believes it's good enough. Sometimes this can lead to good things, and sometimes it leads to Duke Nukem Forever (especially when left unchecked).

I'm only a writer but I'm sure other forms of artist would probably agree to at least some extent. Your creation sucks until it's done. What really sucks is when you want to fathom the ending as being amazing and never being able to see it.

As an example, there are some classic films you may have heard of. The Pink Panther. I believe they are considered classic comedy films- they certainly are to me. Anyway, Peter Sellers hated them.

For me, I don't trust what I think of my writing anymore. I do what I can with my work and hope that others like it (that's not to say I don't like my own stuff, but I will always be thinking about how I can make it better).

LtReviews
LtReviews

Someone show this guy "Other M", that should raise his self-esteem a good deal

SquareEnixFan13
SquareEnixFan13

Sounds like a definite case of low self-esteem and self-confidence, trust me I know.

president_bush
president_bush

I still listen to the soundtracks on my mp3 player all the time. And the games rocked, too.

blaze_boy30
blaze_boy30

@TohouAsura I have some artist friends on my campus who act like that. It always seems like the artists who beat themselves up the most have the best work. Make me want to (figuratively) strangle them. I can't even draw stick figures.

Hurvl
Hurvl

@ShadowOfKratos Perhaps it could come from one of their many developers, but publishers just wants to sell their stuff and calling it crap isn't good for business.

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

@cornbredx I agree to a certain extent. As a programmer and hobby artist, when I'm done with something I almostalways end up being ashamed of it abit. I don't particularly hate what I create, but I can always point out the flaws very quickly and hesitant to show my creation to others, whether it's code or illustration.

Hell, sometimes it feels like stripping naked in public.

MooncalfReviews
MooncalfReviews

@cornbredx Yeah, as a game developer myself, I agree. It even kinda sucks when you're done with it, and you always, always, always have the urge to add more to it.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@cornbredx 
As an artist (in drawing and street dancing), I don't feel that way actually, although many times when I do see the final product of a creation of mine, I always think about how it can be improved upon or what I could've done differently but I can never truly hate what I'm creating, even if it's a rush job or something I'm not proud of because in mostly everything creative that I do, there's always a good amount of passion and love that goes into it, so I can never be ashamed of the final product even if it didn't turn out the way I wanted :D

kreegan64
kreegan64

 @LtReviews I know, right.