Mass Effect 4 leaves Shepard behind

BioWare Montreal producer confirms Commander Sherpard's story has come to a close; next game in role-playing game series will feature "very, very different context."

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Commander Shepard is gone, but not forgotten. BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas confirmed to VG247 that Shepard's story is finished, and the captain will not be featured in Mass Effect 4, or whatever the next entry in the series is titled.

Shepard's story is over.

"There is one thing we are absolutely sure of--there will be no more Shepard, and the trilogy is over," Condominas said. "This is really our starting point. Now the Mass Effect universe is vast, and very, very rich. So at this point in time, we don't even know what kind of time frame we're going to be in. All we're doing is more gathering ideas from the teams, gathering feedback to see several things."

As for who may replace Shepard as the franchise's leading character, Condominas made clear that BioWare is not simply going to iterate on Shepard.

"So first, we don't want to make 'Shepard 2', or Mass Effect 4 with like, 'oh there's no more Shepard but you're a soldier in the universe'. So this will be a very, very different context for sure, and nothing has been decided on the rest," he said.

Last month alongside the departure of BioWare founders Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka, the company announced that a new Mass Effect game was forming at the studio. Details are non-existent on the project, but it has been confirmed that Mass Effect 3 producer Casey Hudson is attached to the game, said to be a "full" Mass Effect title.

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40 comments
imjkaar
imjkaar

They need to continue the story but have a new protagonist, such as Shepard's son/daughter, with one of the other characters you romanced in the ME3. Then he has to fight a new evil and re-unite Shepard's crew who are scattered across the galaxy after the destruction of the relays. The reason the story must continue is because that's how we shaped it, our choices shaped the game, relationships etc. Getting rid of all the would be a kick I the balls to us. Remember they made Shepard survive as ending (SPOILER) why would they keep him alive then just not include him in the next game, why not kill him off.

jujupowaa
jujupowaa

:S To be Honest i loved Mass Effect but i also loved to play as Shepard and not any changed version of Shepard , the actual original Shepard  and a Mass Effect with no Shepard :S I don't know i think i'm just gonna say no thanks cause he really was iconic for me and most of the fans out there . I think most of Mass Effect fans loved Shep as much as Mass Effect and aren't ready to leave him yet , I mean if Bioware creates a game named Mass Effect 4 i think at least it could include the whole group or maybe they could have just name the new game differently like : Mass Effect : Immersion or something else but create a game with none of our favourite characters and name it Mass Effect ''4'' kinda breaks the mood for me so yeah ...if Bioware makes a new Mass Effect with our whole group i'll buy it  but if they name it Mass Effect 4 and has none of our crew :S well i won't ...

puke_skywalker
puke_skywalker

I always thought a squad based shooter ala the old Rainbow (before Vegas) or Ghost Recon centered around a group of N7 commandos during the First Contact War would be pretty cool.  As a prequel you could either connect it to Shep directly or with cameo appearances.  Otherwise, I am ok with sequels that don't include Shep at all.  I would expect 4 to take place much farther in the future, and whatever state the galaxy in should directly reflect the outcome of the first trilogy, in my case *SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE BEHIND THE TIMES* merging with synthetics.  The world would be a much, much different place as a result.

stephenraymer9
stephenraymer9

Bioware im fully behind expanding your universe, and using it to tell many stories. The Mass effect story was epic one of the best, and there was ultimate closure. Ive always wanted to see multiple stories come out of that universe. 

Testsoul
Testsoul

Not a very bright idea to cut shepard.Fans still need that closure.

FlyingAce1016
FlyingAce1016

at least make an ending where shepard lives and reunites with his friends....... DAMN IT

altered_beast_x
altered_beast_x

I can't believe so many people are having such a hard time understanding this!

It was a trilogy (3 games). And now the trilogy is over. 

There's no more Shepard. It's time for a new game and or trilogy.

reapersblade92
reapersblade92

There has to be a dlc or another Mass Effect with Shepard ...


SPOILER!!

I mean in the last scene, where stargazer and the kid are talking, does the kid want to hear another story about Shepard and the old man says that its late, but it would be enough time for a last one.

So come on! Theres gotta be more of Shepard...
It would freak me out, if bioWare made such a statement in the game and start something totally new!!!

I would love another trilogy, but first of all please make SOMETHING so that this statement makes sense to me.. 

moozeditty
moozeditty

I hope it is another trilogy. It would be nice to see what they have learned from the first series. I love Shepard's Mass Effect story, but it seemed pretty unsure of its direction in a lot of ways. I'd love to see them take on such an ambitious project again.

oguz_ceylan_25
oguz_ceylan_25

No, they don't understand it. I'm not playing the game as John Shepard, It's not like moving a 3rd person character on some meaningless game. I put myself in that game, I'm playing as me, I AM Commander Shepard and I know most of the ME fans play like that. They can't just cut him(me) out of the story and bring a new one, it's not that easy to forget all of it and put yourself in another character. What will happen to relationships?(:what will happen to Liara:) For me, playing ME is like reading a book or maybe writing your own! I'm willing to pay how much money they want just don't screw the game.

Xirexor
Xirexor

Shepard is MassEffect ! (So there will be no Liara T'soni in ME4  :(   )

Xirexor
Xirexor

Shepard is Masseffect !

crusaderprophet
crusaderprophet

  1. BioWare You keep doing what you do best - Character and universe richness, folklore and suspense of MASS EFFECT 2. I still think of the last running sequence of Shepard from the collector ship or the space battle approaching earth in ME3, and what if those cinematic animations were playable without losing the panoramic view and the music. Additionally, the next protagonist could be Shepard's descendant and the species would be dependent on who Shepard (player) romanced in earlier games.
  2. Uncharted 3's excellent and fluid gameplay mechanics, excellent in-game NPC & playable character AI & expressions, playable animated sequences. I loved Uncharted 3 sequence in the desert hopping between horses and vehicles.
  3. Vastness, exploration concepts, artistic effects, character mobility (acrobatic) of Assassin's Creed franchise.

tylersfirst
tylersfirst

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think this would be a good way to tie shepard into the story.

The
story would be A few hundred years after the events of mass effect 3.
The galaxy is under threat from the leviathans(the first apex species),
who have harnessed the mysterious powers of dark matter, and all its
secrets. Now the council ( which could include maybe a new species that
has emerged like the humans did), needs someone to go investigate the
"dark matter" and fight the leviathans. You wind up being the only one
the council can convince to do the mission.( I wont get into the
background of the character but a criminal who is seeking redemption or
immunity from his crimes would be sweet). Fast foward through several
missions and you find an audio log from the nordmandy, where commander
shepard was talking about an investigation of "dark matter". You find
out that the normandy took a trip into the neighboring galaxy sometime
between the events of mass effect 1-3. That is all the audio gives you
and now you have to figure out what to do. Fast foward again and you
meet a rogue salarian scientist that says he can bring back commander
shepard from the dead.( Seeming the events are several hundred years
later from mass effect 3, if your commander shepard lived, he would have
died of natural causes by now. If you died in your ending then it works
out perfect too.) Also by now, technology should be advanced enough to
do this. Soon shepard is back alive, but he remembers nothing of his
past life or the mission regarding dark matter. You convince him to join
your team, and as the game progresses his memory comes back to him.
This would set up flashback missions you could do as commander shepard
and the squadmates we all grew to love. These missions would obviously
happen as time progress, and give us all a chance to play as a our
favorite hero again. Also these missions would be scarce so you would
have plenty enough time to play as the new main character, growing to
love him. You slowly piece together commander shepards memory and the
new things you find in order to unlock the secrets of dark matter and
stop the leviathons.

This would allow for people to play as
shepard again and have him as a squadmate at other times. It sets up
for a new character and a new triology, while still retaining some of
the old mass effect. The game would take place in a new galaxy along
with the one from the triology.(meaning a set of new races) It would
also allowpotentially for some old companions to return. Also they
could end commander shepard's legacy the way they should have this time
around, and set up the new legacy of a new charcter at the same time.

coldfusion25
coldfusion25

They don't get it clearly. Shepard IS Mass Effect.

mjtackett64
mjtackett64

There can't be a prequel

There is no way there can be a prequel and still keep fans entertained because, there can't be any appearances from old characters because we know that they can't be harmed because they made it to the other mass effects, unless they are just mentioned in the little journals found around the world but come on, very few people take their time to read those, I sometimes do but still, and since shepard isn't an option what was with the end with the kid and the stargazer, "Tell me another story about the Shepard" "Okay but just one more." What a tease, bioware. Unless the kid or stargazer is refering to Shepards kid, which you can port your old save into the new game and start out with maybe an asari if you romanced liara, or human with miranda, ashley kaiden... but there really is no way to have a quarian or turian baby, because humans can't have kids with them, unless they do some background story flashback thing where maybe tali/garrus ask Mordin to gene splice them or some sciencey stuff. Which I would be okay with because Garrus and Tali are my favorite characters along with Shepard.

I'm pretty sure bioware allready said that Shepard did survive mass effect 3, I just feel that they should come up with something that ends shepards life with more dignity than, oh hey guys he was acctually being indoctrinated and all that stuff at the end was just the god childs test for him, which is actually what I believe.

And the plot for ME4 can be his son/daughter dealing with the mess he might have left with the things he did to get his warscore up, maybe like dealing with Aria if you helped her get edin prime and her mercs back, or the Krogan rebeling against Wrexs rule because he doesn't go to war as often because he honors shepard, that is if you didn't kill him, and if you did then it would be the other chief that took his place being rebeled against. Or they could just not let you port ME3 TO ME4 and let you chose when making a character, like this;

Your father/mother shepard fell in love and had you with, Liara, Ashley/ Kaiden, and so on.

as a child you; spent most of your time with mother/father shepard, mother/father love interest, lonely going from place to place being stationed with you family. so on

when you became of age you; became a smuggler, soldier for your military depending on species, scientist, well respected diplomat. so on.

And then it would explain what shepard had done and how you had to fix it. so basically you are porting your old save but actually your just doing it by selecting these choices.

Sabretruthtiger
Sabretruthtiger

Yeah it's a complete cop out!!!

Taking the standard Globalist-run hollywood psy-op trend  'let's make sure they lose their heroes and learn not to form attachments' and destroying the hero of the game that people have invested in is bullshit and they should be ashamed.
All they have to do is continue from the best ending where Shepherd lives by tweaking it so that if the player chose the blue or neutral endings Shepherd manages to see through the indoctrination induced hallucination of a synthesis etc for what it is and realises he must destroy the reapers and it follows through to the same 'red' 'best' ending of Shepherd waking up.

That way you could have an emotional dramatic appearance of Shepherd to his friends and love interest when everyone thought he was dead,it would be an epic intro cinematic.
It would be uber cool if EDI could have been shielded somehow or her consciousness imprinted onto something physical that would survive the electronic bio-synthetic purge. that would make a really emotional, dramatic twist also. C'mon give Joker a break!!!
Cheesey and goody two shoes I know but that's what everyone secretly wants.

Woodenbear
Woodenbear

What a load of horse dung!  I loved the way the trilogy played into each other and the way Commander Shepard got along with his peers.  Commander Shepard is the Mass Effect series to remove him is to create a totally different game.  Which means for me is if there is no Commander Shepard then it really isn't Mass Effect 4 it will be like any other game and I will look elsewhere!

WiiCubeM1
WiiCubeM1

It's kind of a crazy dream of mine that they will make this game in a fashion similar to the multiplayer, where you have a choice of not only different classes, but races as well, with slightly differing storylines depending on the race and class you choose.

I would love to play something like this, but I'm sure I'll like whatever Bioware comes up with.

armywife83
armywife83

Kinda cruel to force Shep to give their life to save the galaxy. If they are not going to make a 4 with him/her in it or at least have him training soldiers in the N7 program or something, Make a DLC for ME3 that if you survived the end of the 3rd one that they go back looking for him and find him and have a conclusion to his life, he gets married and settles down or actual closure to his/her story. Even a cut scene that explains they found shep alive or they couldnt find him depending on the ending on ME3. Leaving it at the end where if you survived but nothing else is kind of cruel. Over the course of the series people grew attachments to shep and his crew and to just kind of say he has to die or he can survive but thats it is unfair. Even the extended scene doesnt even mention him when Hacket talks. One person saved the galaxy, one person had to sacrifice themselves to destroy etc the reapers. It wasnt anyone BUT Shep who saved the galaxy and to not even mention him in the extended scene is bull. The DLC Citadel wasnt even closure per say. You cant even really interact with the crew. Thats not closure either. 

oskuuu
oskuuu

I would love to see open world game like fallout 3/skyrim in mass effect universe, Where you could choose race, gender and other character traits at start.

DivaQuinzel
DivaQuinzel

I would be really happy with a Game set like a few hundred years after so i can see what my decisions(some of them being a bit rash simply for the current war against the reapers) will have done to the universe(curing genophage,savingRachni and so on).

And i would like the kind of system Dragon age origins had where your decisions on the character(Gender and so on) has to do with your origin and how the people around reacts to you.
Would also love if you could maybe chose between some races(i prefer being a human but ive seen alot of people who wants to be an asari).

An origin i know i would like would be kind of the earthborn story, to start of in a kind of bad/renegade life and the something(idonno what) happens that pulls you into this major/wonderful/fun/sad adventure.
...Yupp.

thorn3000
thorn3000

I would welcome a game set shortly after ME3 using the destroy ending (make destroy canonical) and you'd play an unlawful young asari criminal / smuggler somewhere in the terminus system who would during the course of the game move on to build her own crime syndicate, in either a hard-justice subdue style (paragon) or kill everyone who opposes (renegade) style....would be a nice experience instead of being the hero to be the criminal...

WOLFMAN_III
WOLFMAN_III

you know what you should do is make ME4 during  ME3 and make your ME3's multiplier Hero history.

crimsified
crimsified

No need to worry Shepard fans. He will eventually be playable in ME4 through some DLC. You will, of course, have to have the first 19 ME4 DLCs to access him. KEEP MILKING US EA! I LOVE THAT WE ALL FALL FOR IT! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PCsama
PCsama

well i have few questions for EA

1- should i hold on ME3's data save ?!!!!! -___-

2- if you are going to make a new storyline (mean without Shapard's T_T), is there will be a selection among the races to play by?!!!!!

3- it's going to be awesome to see the universe after the events of winning the war against the Reapers..the destroyed mass-relaies,each world disconnected from others,Krogan's healing,Salarian new station with new breeding Krogan,the new race "The Geth" ,and for Shepard it be nice to show there is some element's from ME3 like if Shepard lived (most the players done this option) let him/her doing a brief appearance as a cripple wounded retired soldier , and if dead a monument  in the Citadel... :)

4-hope you don't plan for multi-player taking part of the single-player storyline (that\s awful 'o`) not all of us have a good internet connection though T_T 

5- for EA proven its FAILURE for carrying-on the game's elements.. like in Dragon Age Origin (the game was a blast) ..they made 6 beginnings of story-lines depends on the race you chose to play by.. then share the same events in the middle of the story..and had 6 endings ..then EA released an expansion titled  "The Awakening" none of DAO elements been seen and made a fuss among the DAO's fans like the endings of ME3..then they made a brand new character in DA2 and made you forget about their laziness DA franchises

lethal_intake
lethal_intake

I'm up for ME4 with no Sheppard. As long as they contain the same type of formula that made the first 3 games so much fun to play such as the gameplay, the different alien types like the asari, and a meaningful storyline, I'm all in. I love Shepard and all but the Shepard storyline was getting a little stale. I mean there is only so much you can do with one character and have it not stretch so thin that it gets derivative with no substance left and everybody gets bored of it. It would be nice if they were to improve on having more choices that will impact the story a great deal and more customization options. I loved the multiplayer too so improvements on that would be fantastic as well.

Zhantee_
Zhantee_

For me Shepperd has to be in there it kinda maked the game nice for me and yup im also a DA fan what i kinda would like to see for once depends how you make your choices to get a happy ending or a bad ending for once for the rest play with it :P

Shango4
Shango4

EA: "We will find another way, human!"

Diana Allers: .. and in other news, EA announces ME4 with no Shepard, easier enemies, worse story line . but with better graphics. I want that shit. To find out more, watch 'Battle Tits', every night at 69:00 pm.

dBoy7
dBoy7

Mass Effect IS Shepard and leaving him out of ME4 it would be disregarding every emotional ties gamers built with his persona - and the all the characters surrounding him- during the course of the mass effect trilogy. If we assume that ME4 is a sequel, a few things must be addressed. First of all, it should be made clear weather Sheapard lived or died. If he lived then he has to make an appearance, and if he died, they must emphasize his legacy. 

I feel quite sad that they decided to leave him out of ME4, almost like nostalgia before hand. I really liked him and the game wouldn't be the same without.

majalvega
majalvega

how about first contact war?

Janpieterzun
Janpieterzun

Wouldn't mind playing an Asari justicar, or story from its perspective, or a Turian general. Other races have heroes too. Wishful thinking as players are dumb and would probably prefer a human at the helm. We also know how sexist the gaming community is.

Darrian_SK
Darrian_SK

It would be so good if Shepard would be still in Mass Effect 4. If you will hear Mass Effect, you just imagine him. He is a hero, he just have to make it through though. ;)

goler2
goler2

BioWare must make a new different tittle if will not inlude shepard. 

Mass effect = shepard, 

ck10304
ck10304

It must be a prequel, considering the divergent nature of the possible endings. Depending which one you chose, humanity would be in vastly different situations after that moment

stephenraymer9
stephenraymer9

@reapersblade92 Shepard did a lot of things that was his greatest story but the stargazer could make the next story about Shepard's fight with the matriarch on Novaria or how he became a specter or he could just make one up. how many times have people just made up stories for their kids using legendary figures for the protagonist. Everything you did including his back-story from the first mass effect could be a story there is no need to think they would be in any kind of order other then what the story teller thinks he feels like telling.

alienatedpoet17
alienatedpoet17

@tylersfirstgood idea with the newly revived shepard and the criminal dude it leaves room for co-op. but fans will complain about if shepard came back twice why not bring other characters back. also if shepard survived 3 (like mine) then he would have to have died of diseases to be the young shepard we know. otherwise we have geezshep. good idea but a tiny bit flawed. also the new galaxy part would be better if right after 3 without shepard to make sence also i see an old lady liara in that. in 1 she was about 150 years and asari live far past that.

TonyIsBaylor
TonyIsBaylor

@mjtackett64 I agree. If they're at least not going to make another story about shepard, they should at least do shepard's child

Sabretruthtiger
Sabretruthtiger

C'mon you know the buzz it would create if Shepherd was perhaps alive, and people got to play their favourite hero again, you do realise that there are more galaxies he could save, perhaps there is an intergalactic relay they discover, perhaps an entirely alien species appears, an alien from another galaxy enlists Shepherd, there are limitless possibilities with Shepherd coming back to life and kicking serious ass!!!

Zhantee_
Zhantee_

i totally agree with you ! :)

isshiah
isshiah

@Janpieterzun Ii'd prefer to play as a human so i can make a character that looks like myself. apart from that, i don't mind playing as another race or gender. 

there's a lot of judgement packed into your post. i'm not sure whether to disagree with it, to be honest,

CricK0es
CricK0es

@goler2 I completely agree! The mass effect universe has been shown to us through Shephard and he is the essence of the game. Mass Effect=Shephard=awesome! 

thorn3000
thorn3000

@ck10304 they could make one ending canonical, as usually in other series, the destroy ending with high ems seems the most appropriate