Major fighting game tournaments to standardize ruling for player collusion

New rule states that any form of collusion is cheating; players intentionally underperforming will be disqualified immediately.

Major tournament directors who represent events like the Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament and Final Round will be standardizing rules against player collusion.

A scene at Evo 2k13. (courtesy of Evolution Championship Series)

According to a Shoryuken report, any form of collusion between competitors is considered cheating. Tournament directors who catch any competitor intentionally underperforming can disqualify them immediately.

The following North American tournaments that have agreed to this ruling include the Evolution Championship series and all Road to Evo events, Big E Gaming events like Winter Brawl, Canada Cup Gaming, Community Effort Orlando, Civil War, East Coast Throwdown, The Fall Classic, Final Round, Level|Up events, MTLSF events, Northwest Majors, Shadowloo Showdown, NorCal Regionals, Toronto Top Tiers events, Treta Championship, and the Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament.

The report also said that fighting game community sites Shoryuken and EventHubs had come to an agreement to only cover events that enforce the collusion rule. Other supporters of the new ruling include peripheral manufacturer Mad Catz.

For more information on recent fighting game events, check out GameSpot's coverage on Evo 2k13.

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91210user
91210user

That's a nice way to take away our video games! It's like that South Park episode where they try to lose on purpose because they didn't want to play Baseball all summer!

madsnakehhh
madsnakehhh

While the whole "Collution" is bad for the scene, i do not see how this will fix anything, in fact it could even make it worst, i mean who is going to say for sure when a player is under playing? did anyone saw the last Battle Circuit when ChrisG and Sandford Kelly apparently did that in SF4 grand finals and Spooky just lost his temper in a really bad way? while you could say that Spooky did the right thing, you can also say that both players have the right to choose whoever they want. You can't force a player to stick to certain characters and as much as we don't like it, after they win the price pot, they can do whatever they want with their money, yes even shared to a friend which might have been the runner up in that tournament. Again, i'm not in favor of the collution stuff, i'm just saying that this issue is far more complicated and it won't be fixed that easy.

david60639
david60639

$14,000, and sponsorships on the line, people want to see a real match with your real team. None of that pot splitting or random all shit. I knew this word happen as the FGC picks up steam, should have came to light sooner.

F*** collusion. Kappa

hadlee73
hadlee73

Good lord, this means if a Gamespot staffer tries to compete they'll be DQed even when trying their best. :P

ggregd
ggregd

How do you prove someone "intentionally underperformed?"

clockworkengine
clockworkengine

Zero tolerance could be manipulated just as easily. What if someone decided to take one for the team by eliminating a particularly scary player by making it look like they had a deal going?


Busta
Busta

For some reason this came into my head the other day.  I was re watching the final 8 when they kept talking about the Japanese gods of sf4.  I Wondered if they had the ability to  make it so they're always near the top.  Just a random thought that came to my head.  Didn't really try to think it through.  Diego I believe said he doesn't care about winning.  If he wanted to win he'd pick someone else.  He plays ryu because that's the best character to express himself.   

and it's true...That guy doesn't need to win.  He has already proven he can place at will.  He wins what he needs to to pay his way.

finalkain
finalkain

Seriously.. WTF is the Point of Any Player Vs Player Competition if people are going to lay down for each other/try to tie. Its fucking Pathetic. Best Man/Team Wins 

END OF STORY 

This "Everyone gets a Medal" bullshit not only flies directly in the face of exactly what the Spirit of Competition is, it defeats its purpose outright, and should be treated with as much scorn as possible from all sides. Fans, Media, and Players.

jeremiah06
jeremiah06

The top players all pot-split... So there's no reason to go all out... You can find videos of people seemingly either throwing matches or picking random all... It really takes away from us that only watch... I sucks knowing that once we get to the top 5 players its generally just a coin toss... 

scottabc
scottabc

Collusion to do what? Why would anyone throw a fighting game match? Are people actually betting serious money on these things? This article needs to explain more to the vast majority of us who dont take part in these events.

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

So no one can "throw the fight" or a "work" instead of a "shoot" So play to win. Instead of making arrangements with your opponent.

flameon12346
flameon12346

What do they mean by collusion? I search up the definition and still don't know what they mean. Why do they have to use such words.

Kokujinn
Kokujinn

For those interested, this is resulting from a recent tournament where two tournament finalists, Flocker and Chris G, did not pick their main characters in the finals that they had been using the rest of the tournament. This behavior made it evident that they were planning on splitting the prize money.

Ehggsz
Ehggsz

No more "Random All" in Grand Finals.  Good.  I would never condone pot-splitting.

Ovirew
Ovirew

What is collusion?

Kiaininja
Kiaininja

People are over thinking this ruling. This rule was not meant so that the judges can go crazy banning everyone they remotely feel is colluding. It is meant to give tournament legal leverage to control these unsportsmanlike conduct if they feel someone is over ABUSING this loophole and undermining the audience and sponsors that are their to watch a legit tournament.

StonerDemon
StonerDemon

I'm no pro fighter, but the thing that I hate the most when I watch EVO videos is when the narrators start to scream like OOOOOOOOHHHH, AAAAAARRRRRHHH, OOOOOOOHHH... it's like they're having a fighting orgasm.

scatterbrain007
scatterbrain007

Well I guess under-performing to get your opponent's confidence up is out of the question then.  Isn't that a strategy these players have? I know I used to do it when i just played for fun in the arcades.

NaturallyEvil
NaturallyEvil

So basically, strategy is outlawed and you must be spamming attacks at all times with zero hesitation or be accused.


If they really wanted to stop this while keeping the integrity of the matches, why not just outlaw all forming of teams?  It's no less ridiculous than this stupid attempt at a rule and might be more enforcible.

endorbr
endorbr

Okay... but how do you prove that someone took a dive in a virtual fight?

MarcJL31
MarcJL31

The problem I have with this is that it is all based on perception. There is no way to be 100% sure that someone is intentionally losing. And with a rule like this, player who do will blur the lines even more and with that, you will see players who just had a bad game be affected by this rule. I understand keeping the integrity of the tournaments and I am all for that. But when you start getting into area like this, innocent player will be caught in the fire. 

blackothh
blackothh

I would like to know how they plan on deciding if someone just messed up or is losing on purpose. One paid off tournament director throwing people out and there goes that integrity too.

I have not been following stuff like this, does anyone know why they decided to go this road? is there a problem that keeps surfacing?

xeis-net
xeis-net

Errm, am I missing something?  If you are under performing (ie losing deliberately) they are going to punish you by throwing you out of the tournament, which would happen if you lost....?  What am I missing here?

abcdefgabcdefgz
abcdefgabcdefgz

@ggregd I dont think you can. Players will still do it if they want they will just practice how to do it more subtle ways.

madsnakehhh
madsnakehhh

@Busta No, no, no, Daigo want's to win, he craves for victory in any single tournament he is in, and is not that he couldn't choose another character, is just that he enjoys playing with Ryu, indeed he said that with that character, he can express himself, also to be a winner, first of all you need to enjoy the game and of course, enjoy the character you play.

Senor_Kami
Senor_Kami

@scottabc Colluding to not really compete in exchange for sharing money.  Fighting games are all about ones technique and the tactics they've devised.  If an event doesn't have major pull, players might obviously still want the money offered but perhaps be less keen to show off all of their tactics.  The answer is to get together with other players feeling the same way and decide to split all money earned in exchange for bullshitting matches by making goofball mistakes or what is essentially choosing random select and playing poorly with teams they've never seriously played on a competitive level.

This happened at a recent VxG event where Chris G (INFAMOUS for playing Morigan/Dr. Doom/Vergil... like this is ALL he's seriously played for a year now) faced off against EVO2013 champ Flocker and Chris seemed to pick teams he had no clue how to use and Flocker, a Zero player, chosing an oddball team he hadn't used in perhaps years.

Meanoimus
Meanoimus

@flameon12346 It's what both political parties in the US have been doing for the past 50 years.

abcdefgabcdefgz
abcdefgabcdefgz

@Kokujinn Wouldnt they pick their main characters and then lose in a more subtle way then just picking some obvious random character?

jeremiah06
jeremiah06

@Kokujinn ChrisG totally threw the injustice match at evo... It was so painfully obvious that I couldn't even watch anymore...

Earl-of-Death
Earl-of-Death

@Ovirew According to Dictionary.com.  A collusion is a secret agreement used for treacherous or fraudulent purposes. In other words, two players cannot make an agreement for one of them to take the fall while the other player advances through the tournament.

Busta
Busta

@StonerDemon  Sometimes I catch myself doing quieter versions of those ooh's and aarghs to myself.  I bet it just gets amplified when you're there in the thick of things.  

Only happens in games I know decently well.  As for MvC3 i have no clue.  I feel i'm waiting for an epileptic seizure.

Kokujinn
Kokujinn

@scatterbrain007 They're referring to people intentionally throwing the fight and splitting the prize money.

Ehggsz
Ehggsz

@scatterbrain007 If I were in a tournament setting and you went easy on me, I'd consider that a huge insult.  Worse than teabagging; pretty close to rage quitters.  It might be different if you're playing casuals or simply training, but in a tournament, you are expected to try your hardest.

jeremiah06
jeremiah06

@NaturallyEvil No top players often agree beforehand to split the prize money... This leads to under-performing as they know they're being paid either way... So you'd see someone who nearly perfected every match suddenly pick a different team and lose(Justin Wong has been doing this lately) or opt out of a huge and easy attack that would've won the match(chrisg) so that someone else can claim the trophy and get the fame... This leads to more sponsors for the winner and the loser gets a bigger cut of the prize money...  

Kokujinn
Kokujinn

@endorbr Recently there were two tournament finalists that did not pick their main characters that they had been picking the rest of the tournament and both played very differently in the end. It was evident that they planned to split the prize money so they didn't give it their all.

WeWerePirates
WeWerePirates

@blackothh I'm not going to name names but there are matches from this years Evo where you would see it's kind of obvious.

blackothh
blackothh

I have a feeling this ruling is more for the audience who pays to watch...

SauhlGood
SauhlGood

@xeis-net if your on a team it can pay to let a friend win instead of you...

truegamer92
truegamer92

@Senor_Kami @scottabc I don't understand.  Weren't ChrisG and Flocker the last two to make it to the finals?  So what does it matter if they split the money?  Please explain.

Kokujinn
Kokujinn

@abcdefgabcdefgz @Kokujinn Normally yes, but they probably didn't feel the need to because some tournaments don't really crack down on that stuff. They looked like they were just playing for fun instead of playing to win, and that's why it was so evident what they were doing. A similar thing happened last year at MLG with LoL, where two teams played with the all random all middle rules instead of playing normally.

StonerDemon
StonerDemon

@Busta @StonerDemon Hahaha, yeah, that game is super psychedelic XD XD

Back then when I was a teen, there was this guy who would make all these air-cutting "whoooofff" sounds from SF2 punches and kicks when playing. I really, really hated that kid.

Busta
Busta

@jeremiah06 @NaturallyEvil  Noone wants to bring up Diego's random shoryukens?  And you don't need to be on a team to collude.   

I'm a pansy and colluded the final match of my fantasy football match last year. Everyone else hated it, but it was nice to get a good chunk of money either way.

WeWerePirates
WeWerePirates

@SauhlGood@xeis-netIt's also down the bracket system, it's sometimes not straight elimination. You have situations where one of them isn't eliminated if they lose but the other is. There's a book called Freakanomics and its got a whole chapter about a similar practice in Sumo wrestling.

There's also straight out under performing for match fixing, it does happen in e-sports (sAviOr on Starcraft for example) I'm sure that's already against the rules but even if it is having allowable and prohibited match fixing is ridiculous. Zero tolerance is the way to go.

Busta
Busta

@WeWerePirates @SauhlGood @xeis-net  I was going to bring up the sumo wrestling thing.   Noone believed it because it was so steeped in tradition.  But the math proved that anyone that was going to fall below a certain rank always won, because his opponent would take a dive.