Mafia II banned in United Arab Emirates - Report

Middle East-focused gaming site reports confederation of Persian Gulf kingdoms has banned 2K's <i>La Cosa Nostra</i> sim.

It turns out Italian-American service organizations aren't the only ones who disapprove of Mafia II. According to MEGamers.com, which focuses on gaming in the Middle East, 2K Games' well-reviewed open-world mobster simulator has been banned in the United Arab Emirates.

Though the confederation of Persian Gulf kingdoms such as Dubai and Abu Dhabi didn't reportedly offer a reason for the ban, the game's depiction of violence, language, and nudity was likely a major factor. A character's prolific consumption of alcohol, which is forbidden by the UAE's dominant religion of Islam, was also likely a factor. 2K reps had not responded to requests for confirmation on or the reasons for the reported ban as of press time.

The UAE won't let consumer have their say about Mafia II.

Mafia II's banning comes three weeks after UNICO National, the US's largest Italian-American heritage foundation, asked 2K parent company Take-Two Interactive to not release the game. The organization's president, Andre DiMino, accused Take-Two of "inappropriate and insulting perpetuation of the pervasive and denigrating stereotype of organized crime being the exclusive domain of Italians and Italian-Americans."

In a statement provided to GameSpot, Take-Two chairman Strauss Zelnick rebuffed UNICO and DiMino's charges. He declared, "Mafia II tells a compelling story about organized crime in America - a subject that for decades has been featured in movies, television shows and novels."

Out on the PlayStation 3, PC, and Xbox 360, Mafia II follows would-be wise guy Vito, a first-generation Italian-American trying to escape a life of poverty during the 1940s and 1950s. Desperate to improve his station, Vito joins his friend Joe in la famiglia with the hopes of rising through the ranks and becoming a made man. Take-Two is touting the game's attention to period detail, going so far as to strike a deal with Playboy to include era-appropriate magazines in the game.

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holypro
holypro

and who cares its not like the pepol down there are big gamers

frazzle00
frazzle00

@k_h_a_n I never blamed Islam. And you're forgetting that this game is NOT meant for children. Even without the Playboy centrefolds, Mafia 2 is simply not a game children should be playing (at least not without their parents' consent). So why prevent gamers who are mature enough to play the game from playing it instead of focusing on more relevant issues such as why parents today feel that their responsibilities can be shirked unto anyone else but them?!

k_h_a_n
k_h_a_n

you heck of idiots just blaming islam. This game has to banned, forgot what islam says, look at the game. TOTAL NUDITY. No parent can tolerate his child viewing nude girls, abusive language. Developers are very clever, they put every stuff to lure gamers specially young children. This game really puts wrong impression and ideology on the young children's mind. Maybe its really a game only. But it should have been less erotic.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 you're right, we are not going to agree on any point, so let's play the game and enjoy it. after all, it's just a game, and a nice one:)

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 1) I don't believe religion specifies the teachings of God. I believe that religion is a man-made construct; an early set of laws and guidelines created to bring order to society. Nothing divine about that. 2) Honour killings still occur today in the Middle East. I have also never heard of a Christian performing an honour killing on their daughter today. Why is that? 3) I gauge my knowledge of Islam in exactly the same way. As I said before we're not going to agree on this point so why bother bringing it up? 4) Protecting them? By abusing them? If you call the treatment of women by the Taliban an example of love and protection then you have some serious problems buddy! 5) So if a reporter reports facts showing Palestinian aggression they are wrong and biased, but when they report about Israeli aggression they're right? LOL! 6) It's exactly as you said. Every Israeli has to fight to defend their country's right to exist. They must realize that the Middle East will not be happy with anything less but the destruction of Israel. And if Palestinians insist on terrorist actions, then retribution should be swift and effective.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 1) If you don't believe in any religion, then why do you believe in God? What's the benefit of believing in God, while you don't do nothing of what It says? 2) Honor killing USED TO occur in middle and some far eastern countries because of culture, not religion. 3) I "gage," (a variant spelling of "gauge" if you check a dictionary,maybe US, but I like someone to correct any error, thanks) my knowledge about Islam using my mind, the thing that everybody has; and we can't be brainwashed because we're not in "Resident Evil 5" universe. 4) Concerning Taliban: you're not the only one that loves his mother and sister,etc. and tries to protect them. 5) Well, those sites you gave me are biased to the bone. How many times did they say "Palestinian terrorists?" A reporter must be neutral, neither with this nor against that. They even have never spoken about any Israeli crimes against Palestine. They're only interested to fabricate events in favor of Israel. This explains your attitude:idea: thanks Anyway, every Palestinian citizen must defend his country against the alien Israeli invaders with any means possible because "what is taken by force, cannot be restored but by force."

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 I have read your posts and I feel sorry for you. If you can truly feel that Palestinians are victims not aggressors, and that women in Islam are equal to men, then there is nothing really left to say to you. Your ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence speaks for itself. :)

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 1) You are right. I am a believing agnostic. I believe in the concept of God. I do not believe in ANY religion, since they are all man made constructs.

2) Why does it only occur in Islamic countries? That was my question in the first place.

3) How do you "gauge" your knowledge of Islam? How can you analyse your belief objectively given that you have been brainwashed with it since birth and any attempt at divergence being punishable by death? 4) I think you have an over-inflated view of Amerian technology. Secondly all that tech is limited by one common factor - the humans running it ;). Thirdly if you think the Taliban love women, well I think that explains your attitudes towards women to any sensible person here. I couldn't have made an argument any more compelling than what you've just said. Thanks buddy 8). 5) Since you told me to use Google, here you go: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm?WBCMODE=PresentationUnpArab+Work+-+A+poem?DisplayMode=print and http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/israel-terror.htm There is plenty of well documented evidence of suicide bombings, plane hijacking, missile launches from Lebanon etc. all perpetrated in the name of Palestinian "freedom"

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 First and foremost, Concerning your question, "Has there been a contemporary prophet? Or do you think there was gender equality back in the times of Jesus and Mohammed?" In fact, not I who answer such a question:shock:. Go ask God whether It was dealing with "gender equality back in the times of Jesus and Mohammad." Such a question make me feel that you're neither a Muslim, a Christian, nor a Jew. 2nd) Honor killing is illegal and prohibited by Islam. There are police, courts of law and judges to handle crimes such as adultery; we're not in a jungle. 3rd) Where did you gage, pun intended, your knowledge about Islam to consider it "more than enough?" At the greengrocer's? ;) * It is not what I judge about people that I tell you, it is what I know.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 4th) You don't subscribe to the whole "inside job" conspiracy theory, which is Al-Qaeda may be an American illusion or henchmen, but you do subscribe to the series of ignorant accusations against Islam. Can you tell me why AMERICA, with all the satellites, advanced aircraft, smart bombs, endless money, and its "it-is-not-sci-fi-weapons":!::!:, could not find a group of "Muslims" in a desert? * And why would Taliban abuse women; their mothers, sisters, aunts, etc.? On the contrary, they love 'em more than they love themselves. You should quit going to the barber.;) 5th) What atrocities done in the name of Palestinian cause? Like an "Israeli" CITIZEN returned home after a long day at work to find it destroyed by "Palestinian" SETTLERS?!! Like an "Israeli" father with his twelve-year-old son was showered with "Palestinian" soldiers' bullets while walking peacefully in the street?!! Or is it like the white phosphorus bombs dropped by "Palestinian" aircraft on the unarmed "Israeli" civilians in Gaza?!!! * I never use google, everything done by Israelis is actually broadcast live on TV. * As I told you before, when I speak from the east, you speak from the west; when I speak from the west, you speak from the east. Every time I answer a question, you repeat it again. As if we're playing merry-go-round. I told you about the Iranian woman, the veil and hijab, the rights of women and how inequality with men in some aspects is to their advantage, etc. Just read and UNDERSTAND the previous posts.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@ Jebril The Israelis have a right to respond to attacks on their country "bra". And what evidence do you have for your figures huh? Let me guess....Google ;).

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 6) In Malaysia the Sharia court recognizes divorce via SMS. Isn't Sharia court Islamic court? In Iran the poor woman has been sentenced to death for adultery, whilst the man she commited adultery with goes scot free. Isn't Iran an Islamic nation? Look at all the honour killings that carried out in Islamic countries? Why is that? Are you telling me that women have the same rights as men in Saudi Arabia? Really? I have seen plenty of Middle Eastern women covered head to foot with only a slit for their eyes visible, walking with their husbands who are wearing designer t-shirts and shorts! Where is the fairness in that? And as for women leaders you should perhaps go learn your history a bit better. And look at all the wretched leaders in our history; have they been men or women? Lastly don't talk about prophets. Has there been a contemporary prophet? Or do you think there was gender equality back in the times of Jesus and Mohammed?

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 1) That's exactly my point. A child is automatically made Muslim; there is no choice. What if they grow up and decide Islam is not for them? Don't tell me they do not have a gun to their head. 2) I can think of plenty of worse potential parents than Paris Hilton, starting with everyone involved in honour killings in the Middle East and Pakistan! 3) I know more than enough to make an informed decision about the religion and yes I have every right to judge it. Just as you have every right to judge other people's morality (which you have been doing on this thread). 4) Yes, America trained and supplied them with weapons. No denying that. Still doesn't change the fact that they claimed responsibility for 9-11 in the midst of plenty of Islamic propaganda and iconography. And sorry but I don't subscribe to the whole "inside job" conspiracy theory! And by the way, what does fighting against the Soviets have to do with the shocking abuse of women in Afghanistan that the Taliban have openly carried out (and is still in place today)? 5) And there are plenty of sources revealing attrocities done in the name of the Palestinian cause. You seem to pick and choose which ones to regard.

Venom341
Venom341

Can't we all just buy the game and leave politics to the idiots in charge?

Jebril
Jebril

There's an average of over 5X more Palestanian casualties than Isreali casualties I dunno who you're kidding bra, the 'psychological' terror' of a few rockets being blind fired for a week or so is nothing compared to brigades of tanks riding through your home and soldiers raiding your entire home killing people in front of you while planes fly overhead bombing hospitals and schools where people hide from this.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 1) "A child born to a Muslim father is automatically Muslim. There isn't a choice." A choice!!! Do you want us to ask a child, no an infant, whether they want to be Muslims?!! So be it, but come ask them yourself. Seriously, why would a Muslim change their religion? Either they have a wrong idea about Islam, lured with money, a position, etc. or escaped a threat or harassment, (in this last situation apostasy is acceptable). 2) I won't speak about Paris Hilton any more, but I'm sure that you, like everybody else, don't want to be in her son's place. 3) Although you lived 16 years in a Muslim country, allow me to tell you that you know nothing about Islam. Thus, you don't have the right to judge it. 4) Al-Qaeda!!! huh, the hell of an example. First, who made, encouraged and supplied them with arms? Guess who?!! IT IS AMERICA the country of freedom, democracy and anti-terrorism!! Second, notice that there is no one hates Al-Qaeda more than Saudi and the other Muslim countries. Third, and most important, no one's sure whether Al-Qaeda still exists, or it's just something invented as a pretext for the U.S. interference in Afghanistan. Anyway, they use Islam as a cover either to give a pretext for someone like you to attack us, or to recruit naive young Muslims. As for Taliban, they fight the alien invaders in their country, and all the people of Afghanistan support them.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 5) There are lots of sources that reveal Israeli crimes against humanity, just be kind enough to move your fingers and surf the internet. You'll see Gaza siege, massacres in Lebanon, murdering children, assassinating prominent resistant figures, and the bloody Israeli raid on flotilla and so on and so forth. *Don't say that our creed say that a couple must get divorced with an SMS!!! *Women can be equal in education, jobs opportunities, have their own decision, etc. But a complete equality is unreasonable. They don't have compulsory military service like we do, don't engage in hard labor and so on. * And you want women to reveal their body as men do?!! Can they show their chests?!! What should I say about this?!!!! * They are less than men in some things, like their judgment is easily affected by passion, fear, etc.; and notice that female leaders are much less than males, even there are no female prophets; there must be a moral of this, right?

Vengeful_Angel
Vengeful_Angel

Physically, it is indeed a game. Toss religion into the equation and it becomes something more.

Vengeful_Angel
Vengeful_Angel

People think Islam is wrong. Sure it has its cons, but Christianity is no better.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@zideeq I have lived in an Islamic country for 16 years. One that would qualify as a moderate democratic Islamic country. In this very country a man can divorce a woman via SMS. Men are encouraged to walk a few steps in front of their wives when they go out. In Sharia court 1 male witness is worth 4 female witnesses. Whilst there is enormous social pressure for women to maintain their modesty there is absolutely nothing of the like for men who can wear anything they like. How is this gender equality? Just take a look at what is happening in Iran now. How is it that a woman who commits adultery gets sentenced to death, yet nothing (as far as has been published) happens to the man she commited adultery with?

frazzle00
frazzle00

@hm1911 1) A child born to a Muslim father is automatically Muslim. There isn't a choice. And of top of that they can't EVER change their mind because apostasy is punishable from anything between imprisonment to death depending on what Islamic country you're dealing with. 2) Are you suggesting that you need to have Paris Hilton's personality and dress sense to experience hurt feelings, "abuses and insults"? Really? 3) Why would anyone want to watch their friends "jacking off". In fact why would anyone really want to know about their friends' masturbatory fantasies? Just asking ;). 4) As I told zideeq. I have lived in an Islamic country for 16 years. I know more than enough about Islam. Based on my experiences and what I know from history, I believe the stuff you spew is biased nonsense. Naturally this is my opinion. you have yours. 5) Are you suggesting that the Al-Qaeda do not use any Islamic icongraphy in their propaganda and when taking credit for their actions? What religion do the Taliban identify with? Once again, just asking ;). 6) Whilst I am no fashionista it does seem that contemporary fashion does include a number of scantily clad outfits. What's so morally wrong about that. When I see a woman in a mini skirt I do not a) think badly about her or 2) have an irresistable urge to assault her. After all, unlike some, I am not "an animal" 8). 7) Wow, Google is your source of irrefutable evidence? *Claps Hands*

zideeq
zideeq

I'm sick of peopel coming on here saying how Islam promotes terrorism and harrassment of women, enslavement, etc... I'm a practising muslim of sharia law, I'm 23, run my own successful companies and have my own house, I'm also engaged to a beautiful woman who I plan to marry in the coming years and I ain't blowing no one up or enslaving girls in the kitchen and barring them from going out with their mates...quit watching TV and actually go out there and do your own research....

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 1) How should I explain the psychological assault? When someone hurts your feelings, abuses and insults you. Look at, for example, Paris Hilton. If she had a son, what do you think will happen to him when he sees his friends jacking off on his mother's picture? Is he going to kill himself, his mother, or his friends? * I haven't forgotten the different standards of societies as I highlighted the phrase "a specific society" using quotation marks in order to be clear, but this didn't work as I can see. As for "women who dress in contemporary fashions," do the contemporary fashions mean "a scantily clad woman?" 2) And what is the basis you're based on to say that the media I've been listening to is biased. Is it diverted and fabricated info like the one you just repeated to @Jebril, "Palestinian terrorists are firing rocks from their missile launchers in Lebanon?" 3) When I speak from the east, you speak from the west; when I speak from the west, you speak from the east. I told you before that EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS """OWN""" ACTIONS. It doesn't mean that I'm a Muslim just by saying so; I need to ACT as a Muslim; and by killing innocents, I AM NOT. *To answer your question, you need to specify those "terrorists who identify themselves as Muslims;" please name them 'cuz I haven't seen any.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 4) I told you this is not a game so that you change your mind when you like. We don't point a gun at no one's head because they know from the very beginning that there is no returning back, this is why they MUST know everything about Islam first, and if they don't like the idea, no one is forcing them to become Muslims. 5) Of course no one can stand watching like a dumb, pun's intended, while others are attacking their belief. * You should actually ask @Jebril what evidences he DOESN'T have. I ask everyone to write on google/images "Israel crimes," then "Palestine crimes," and compare. You'll find the results shocking, and I won't spoil them. *Those who equate Islam with evil, certainly must have equated themselves with ignorance and insolence first.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@hm1911 And by the way there is nothing psychological in what you say here: "yes they can't control themselves, at least most of them; and those who managed to control themselves on a woman, will fail sooner or later with another. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. this is not insulting, it's a natural instinct like hunger and thirst, the only difference is that this one is ruled by society laws, in order to differentiate us from animals." And yes it is pretty insulting to any rational male out there!

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Jebril So I guess Palestinian terrorists are firing rocks from their missile launchers in Lebanon? And what evidence do you have that Israeli attacks have cost more lives that decades worth of Palestinian aggression? And you do realize that how you equate "Zionism" with evil is analogous to how many people equate Islam to evil. You can't ask for tolerance and offer none in return.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@hm1911 1) What exactly do you mean by "assaulted, with her family psychologically". Let's not forget that different societies have different standards. Are you suggesting that women who dress in contemporary fashions are automatically badly thought about by everyone? 2) I can say exactly the same thing to you; based on your posts I believe that the media you've been listening to is biased. This is clearly subjective and so arguing this point is moot. 3) You still haven't answered my question: Why do terrorists who identify themselves as Muslim perform their acts of terrorism in the name of Islam? Why do we not see today terrorists who identify themselves as Christian performing acts of terrorism in the name of Christianity? 4) Are you trying to suggest that people don't change their mind? That faith is absolute in everyone? By making apostasy punishable by death you are effectively putting a gun to someone's head. 5) You said: "you're right, it's just a fricking game. but some people here like to make a mountain out of a molehill. they instantly connected it with religion" So even though you haven't pointed a finger specifically at someone you are pointing fingers at those who bring religion into this discussion. You do realize you're one of these people too.

Jebril
Jebril

1) This game is available in Saudi Arabia and the UAE this is more of a soft ban than anything. 2) This article was written with the intent to give this game hype cuz it's pretty bad and Gamespot is in bed with Take Two and it's parent companies. 3) Govts. and religions need to learn the only way for people to become morally correct is to leave the temptations of man and let them make their choice. Not everyone has the same morals but imposing a restriction like this doesn't make your belief anymore correct. 4) Israel is a Zionist state, Zionism controls most of the media, banks, and corporations in the Western World. It has an obvious influence on the world and shouldn't be portrayed as a 'victim' for anything. They bomb children's schools for goodness sake and kill more kids in those bomb raids than any 'terrorist' (resistance to an occupation) attack ever did with rocks and home made explosives.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 1) It's not necessary that "a scantily clad woman," is assaulted physically, but certainly she'll be assaulted, with her family, psychologically. You should consider how people look and talk about you; whether your behavior is accepted in "a specific society" or not because you're not alone in this world. Sometimes, public perception about you is more important. 2) Some media are biased, some aren't. It's your responsibility to choose several sources 'cuz there is always a fly in the ointment. However, the attributes of your country's media are obvious in the diverted news you said. 3) Everyone is responsible for his OWN actions; no one is responsible for the actions of others. A religion is an act not a name. Is it enough to say I am a Muslim or Christian in order to be so? Of course not. I have to follow their rules. Everyone kills an innocent, doesn't believe in God; consequently, he is not a Muslim even if he says otherwise. 4) Yes there is no compulsion in Islam 'cuz no one is pointing a gun at your face to become a Muslim. Apostasy is forbidden 'cuz Islam is not a game that you try; if you like it, you'll keep it; if you don't, you'll throw it. If you want to be a Muslim, you "MUST," I repeat "MUST," study and know Islam VERY VERY well from its original sources, so that you become a Muslim out of your conviction. 5) I haven't pointed the finger at no one 'cuz I don't know who raised the issue, so please understand me well before commenting nonsense.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Hm1911 1) So are you saying that if you saw scantily clad women on the street you would eventually attack one of them? Really? Sorry buddy but that is not normal. 2) And the media you see in the Middle East is not biased? Really? Don't make me laugh. 3) Sure terrorism has no religion, but why do Muslim terrorists perform their actions in the name of their religion? As I asked before, who today performs acts of terrorism in the name of Christianity? 4) Yes the Catholic church was brutal in its punishment of apostasy in the PAST. Today apostasy is not a crime in Christianity. It is in Islam despite the Quran stating that their is no compulsion in Islam. Surely the threat of a death penalty is compulsion enough! 5) Kaydegarde brought up both the whole issue of Zionism and Islam into this discussion. Read previous posts before pointing fingers.

FaulknerATAC
FaulknerATAC

2k seems to be going on the Microsoft's road that's why they got lot of controversies.

FaulknerATAC
FaulknerATAC

I only against the Playboy magazines cause those are real nude image of real women so any one who don't even interest to like that stuffs will be eventually molested. or at least Mafia 2 should be rated as Adult by ESRB. do u remember San andreas's rating pull up to Adult after finding out the hot Coffee mod it's just a small mod but they didn't think about in that time so why would they just ignore real nude pics in Mafia 2. \

Hm1911
Hm1911

@xenogearz88 oh come on, what is this, somekinda figure of speech? is it oxymoron as I think? communism is secular; how do you say "religious secular?" considering this right though, what do you think about the other religions? are they religious Capitalism? if so, I suggest you get yourself health insurance ASAP

Vampire_mahdi
Vampire_mahdi

@abu_eljod I agree totally with u , and it's really funny when reading some of your comments guys , i'm also a palestinian and i hate israel , but not the jews or any other religion and i don't want to explain why , you will never understand , on the other hand , there's many types of muslims like in any religions , we don't force our woman i second that from abu_aljod and we don't go bombing civilians , it's the nature of human begins to be afraid of what they don't know , peace on you people , I'm going to play Starcraft 2 .....

xenogearz88
xenogearz88

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Hm1911
Hm1911

@BallisstiXXX you're right, it's just a fricking game. but some people here like to make a mountain out of a molehill. they instantly connected it with religion

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 yes they can't control themselves, at least most of them; and those who managed to control themselves on a woman, will fail sooner or later with another. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. this is not insulting, it's a natural instinct like hunger and thirst, the only difference is that this one is ruled by society laws, in order to differentiate us from animals. if the woman and the man were married, of course not from each other ;-) then it's death, both of them; if single, whipped 100 times, also both of them; other than this, it's not a Muslim law, so go and solve your debate with Iran not with Islam. and the punishment for apostasy is death, but to reassure you, most "Islamic countries" content with exile nowadays. "don't say that the Vatican wasn't doing more than this, like crucifying and burning people alive with the whole family, I don't know about now"

Hm1911
Hm1911

@tommygun6644 to be literate is to walk in the street naked, right?

Hm1911
Hm1911

@frazzle00 yes you're right, Israelis didn't invade Palestine; they actually bought it from Britain, the actual one which invaded Palestine. if I stole your car and sold it let's say for example to @kabuto202, wouldn't you claim it from him, not me? wouldn't the law punishes us both, @kabuto202 and me, and get the car back to you? people of Palestine never killed an innocent civilian. as for a civilian that assaults you and kicks you with your family out of your own house and sabotage your farm to build his settlement on their ruins, won't you fight him? I excuse you because I know your problem, it's the misguiding, bias-driven media in your country. they show you Palestinians kill civilians and conceal Israel's crimes. the evidence is what you just said: "Palestinians were not firing stones at Israel from their missile launchers in Lebanon." In fact, these are not Palestinians, but Hizbullah, a Lebanese resistant organization that wants to restore Mazare' shib'a, a Lebanese region occupied by Israel. and it was Israel which began the fight. and those whom you named suicide bombers are called "fedayeen," you can google it, their code is like you say "live free, or die hard." I've chosen this quote 'cuz one previous post of yours shows the influence of movies on you; I thought you might like it. finally, you said it, "Islamic fundamentalists" not Muslims; compare them with Ku Klux Klan TERRORISM HAS NO RELIGION

Hm1911
Hm1911

@kabuto202 no one said nothing about "freedom of the woman"; they speak about "the rights of the woman," i.e. equality with men in eduction, work,etc. your out-of-date knowledge is obvious here because we passed this issue 70 years ago. as for your and the majority of the Western society's idea about the woman being "a property," it's not precise. in fact, it was existed before the Islam, disappeared and was and is still forbidden during it; then it returned after a long time as you said in "[some] rural areas of the Middle East ." however, we passed this one too 80 years ago. this is our main problem with the west that they are either unable or unwilling to listen to us and see the truth. just for your knowledge, the governments and many organizations in the Arab countries are investing lots of money and efforts in order to make you see what we really are; but in vain as I see. your last "PS" is the only right thing you said, but I'm afraid that you're not practicing it yourself besides of this @tommygun6644 above your post; consequently, you'll be just like the description you just said in the last two lines.

tommygun6644
tommygun6644

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BallisstiXXX
BallisstiXXX

Gawd. It's a friching video game, when will people learn? Oh right, never.

BallisstiXXX
BallisstiXXX

Take Two has a reputation for having a bad reputation with some controversy on the side. Take Two has still got it.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@HM1911 Why must women conceal their "TEMPTING BODY PARTS"? Are men unable to control themselves? As a man I find that attitude insulting to say the least. And if kaydegarde is Iranian, well why doesn't he focus on that poor Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death for adultery? Why is the man she committed adultery with not sentenced to death as well? And by the way Hm1911, why don't you tell me what the punishment for apostasy is in plenty of Islamic countries? @isshiah The first Playboy magazine was issued in December 1953 which is 2 years after the events of the second half of Mafia 2. Sure not everything matches the time period exactly (you're right about the music), but that is not to say they haven't nailed the atmosphere. They've justed decided to go with more iconic works (there definitely were "men's" publications around in the 40's, but I hazard none of them are remembered as well as Playboy).

isshiah
isshiah

don't get me wrong, i though the game was fun at time, but period detail doesn't extend to some of the songs. a lot of songs (playboy mags in the 40's? c'mon!) didn't come out until the mid to late 50's.

Hm1911
Hm1911

@kabuto202 first, even if you studied Islamic culture in 20 million pages, you don't know 0,000000000000000000001% about it because it's not History or Literature subjects. most Muslims themselves can't say they know it well. it's very deep because it's something about God; that is, it's beyond our minds ability. second, you can voice an ignorant opinion if it is related to a game, a song or a movie, but not religion. it's like a theory that you need to urge using evidences in order to convince, not to be a fool, "like a deaf man in a musical party." concerning @kaydegarde, he is absolutely wrong as well as you. women must conceal their "TEMPTING BODY PARTS." precisely, they don't show anything except for their faces and hands no more, no less; they use a hijab, for the hair, not a veil, for the face. the veil story may be related to culture but not religion. @kaydegarde is Iranian and I believe they hate Saudis and vice versa, so there is bias here.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@kabuto202 Exactly! @Hm1911 Israel did not invade Palestine. They are reclaiming what is rightfully theirs. As I said before who chased who out first! Secondly, are you seriously trying to justify terrorist actions. Why focus almost exclusively on attacking civilian targets, if as you claim, they're defending their country? Thirdly, the last time I checked, the Palestinians were not firing stones at Israel from their missile launchers in Lebanon! Let's also not forget all the suicide bombings that the Palestinians perpetrate on Israelis on a daily basis. @Illyriann I have never said that Christianity does not have a very long and decidedly bloody history. The thing is today, how many acts of aggression to do you see done in the name of Christianity? How many acts of aggression against civilian targets do you see done in the name of Christianity today? Now compare that with what we see Islamic fundamentalists doing.