Madden NFL 13 for Wii U omits several features

Football franchise's first entry on touch-based console will not include new physics system, Ultimate Team, or online team play.

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Madden NFL 13 for Wii U capitalizes on the console's unique input capabilities, but the long-standing sports franchise's first foray onto the system will bench several features. While the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of Madden NFL 13 both headline the "Infinity Engine," which allows procedurally generated physics to impact plays and animations, the feature is nowhere to be found on Wii U.

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ESPN Playbook spoke to Madden producer Yuri Bialoskursky about this and other omissions, and what the Wii U version has to make up for it. Bialoskursky said while he would have liked to include the Infinity Engine in Madden NFL 13, the challenges of working with new hardware made it impossible. He also said Madden Ultimate Team--an online feature which combines fantasy football with in-game challenges--will not appear this year, nor will online team play be implemented.

The game will let players use the Wii U Gamepad's touchscreen to quickly select plays as well as draw in new routes on the fly. "We were looking at ways we could bring these elements into the Wii U space and make it a much quicker experience," Bialoskursky said. Madden NFL 13 will also support local five-player multiplayer using the Wii U Gamepad, Pro Controller, and Wii Remote and Nunchuks. The game's Connected Careers mode, which lets players manage teams from their browsers, will also be implemented.

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113 comments
DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

EA might try fixing how Madden 13 ran on the PS Vita first.  It ran like a turd.

SolidTy
SolidTy

Well, there's always Madden 14 Wii U...

superbuuman
superbuuman

Reeks of lazy port for a quick cash grab to me.

interrasteral7
interrasteral7

In my opinion, this is unfair for gamers that want to buy the Wii U with Madden NFL 13, but EA did the same thing with the 3DS which apparently is the reason Madden NFL 13 is not coming to the 3DS. I do not think there is going to be that many people buying the Wii U, because it is late to the HD video game system competition.

Dr_Corndog
Dr_Corndog

Wasn't it the Darksiders II dev who said all it took was "five minutes and two lines of code" to get their game running on the Wii U? And now we're supposed to believe EA couldn't implement existing features on the Wii U when they have an extra couple months before its release, to boot?

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

In related news, I hear reports the newest Madden will NOT include some features as well, most notably FUN as well as CONTINUED LACK OF COMPETITION with other NFL game titles.

 

And did I mention FUN will be removed completely from this next title?

TTDog
TTDog

Guessing the WiiU isn't even up to the standards of the current Sony/Microsoft consoles... hardly the best sign for the future.

mr_england
mr_england

A game based on a team sport with no online capability... hmm. Well let's hope the single player/local multiplayer can make up for it.

Bleak5170
Bleak5170

Kind of reminds me of the first Madden on the 360, (06), as it was pretty bare-bones as well.

yman173
yman173

Why are they even bothering to make this for Wii U? Madden releases in a few weeks and the new console isnt out for months. Just wait until 2014 and do it right rather than this half-****d attempt at a port.

airfoemoe
airfoemoe

Oh boy the trolls are going to love this news! Don't respond to the morons that post crud like "this obviously mean the Wii U is weaker than PS3/360". They are either just trolling or very ignorant.

nickythenewt21
nickythenewt21

Jesus, EA, is it really that hard to port the damn game? I know they do this with every console when it's first released, but still!

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

Well, I am not surprised at all. The Wii U is just a gimmick, just like the Wii.  It will appeal to families again but real gamers had better look elsewhere.  

dpadam450
dpadam450

 @TTDog At the end of the day TTDog is 100% correct. Unless you have seen a devkit and worked on it, dont talk s***. You are more inclined to side with Nintendo vs EA. Nintendo makes mario games, EA makes next-gen games........

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @yman173 Money is money i guess, even though its half arsed port money

PumpkinBoogie
PumpkinBoogie

 @yman173 Well I 'suppose' their reasoning is that what 'everyone' to have a taste of Madden, even on the Wii U!...../sarcasm

 

But yeah I agree, it's pretty silly considering the fact that there's still no official release date for the WiiU---nor pricing. Plus, if the damn system doesn't come out until around the holidays (as it's supposed release timeframe)...what, that's around late November (starting out), right?? Hell, by then football season will damn near be coming to a close. What's the point of buying Madden that late anyway, especially w/ the lack of online play.....<_<

 

They honestly shouldn't have even bothered, really.

Undietaker
Undietaker

 @airfoemoe

 Then explain why new features can't be implemented on this suppose "next gen" system genius

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @dpadam450 o_o I'm confused now? But that was my argument to TTDog, "Unless you have seen a devkit and worked on it, dont talk s***." That's what I was trying to explain to him all this time

TTDog
TTDog

 @Dr_Corndog

 Really? How do you figure that one?

 

Here's my reasoning:

Online - Nintendo have shown in the past that they don't believe online play to be a big deal and are continuing the same with the WiiU... even if they are more keen there's no established user base for Madden on Nintendo machines so why include features that won't get used?

 

Technically - EA have had full access to the final hardware (or at least the final hardware specs) and the machine isn't the all powerful machine Nintendo claim... who'd have thought, a console manufacturer over-hyping their new machine prior to release.

 

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 It appears that someone is unable to utilise analytical skills. Now read it again my little pet, it's not that hard to ascertain the meaning of my initial post.  Perhaps your nintendo fanboy goggles are on too tight and you are unable to see properly.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog  Well the advantage they did hold at the time was that cartridges had shorter loading times. Beyond that, N64 had a solid library and sold really well. The only real repercussion they had to deal with was backlash from the developer community which wanted disks due to larger storage.

 

The disk size for GC didn't really hurt them either, Infact the smaller disc size kept them from having to pay royalties on the optical disk patent. 

 

As for Wii U, I'm not buying one either due to poor decisions made more recently on their part. Why people still buy Wii U? Well a large mass of people grew up with Nintendo, many have been collecting since the NES days even. People are buying it solely for the 1st party titles they grew up with and loved. 3p titles likes ME3 are side show deterrents to keep gamers from leaving while they produce those golden titles.

 

I'll only buy a WiiU once I see 2 things:

1. They survive the 8th generation after the launch of PS4 and 720

2. The next smash bros. Starfox or HD Zelda.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: I'd argue that the PS1 was more succesful than the N64 beause if disks overs carts... that the disks were easy to copy helped sales of the PlayStation immensely. The disk size on the GC was just syptomatic of piss-poor decisions by Nintendo... why is why I have no confidence in the power of the WiiU. The Wii was never aimed at "proper" gamers, aside from the hardcore fanboys I can't see who will buy a WiiU as they've effectively left the mainstream market. I mean... take ME3, if you had any interest in that at all you'd already have it on 360 or PS3 so why would you need a WiiU?

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog I sorta disagree with that, I mean in retrospect yes they are rebellious decisions but not by any means bad ones. N64 went onto to be arguably the most successful console of all time(title eventually stolen by ps2 ofc). This regardless of their cartridge rebel decision.

 

Gamecube's rocky cycle had nothing to do with the disc size decision  either, they were up  against a console which  had better support due to easy pie precise programming, the console had online functionality which went on eventually to be the future, Above all, the price of PS2 was a reasonably low enough to nullify any reason  in going the GC route.

 

Now the Wii, the most controversial console of all. Contrary to popular belief didn't fail due to its hardware limitations.  In fact, it went on to be and still is among the best selling consoles of all time. Where they botched is their focus. Wii was purchased by casual and core gamers alike. Being the most underpowered console, all they had to do to survive the cycle was to give a steady stream of first party titles to the core mass.

 

They did from 06-to-09 bringing LOZ TP, Metroid, SSBB, Mario Gal, Mario Kart etc...Then by late 09 they lost focus by streaming games like Wii fit, Wii  music etc... Leaving third party to keep cores busy, and we all know just how well 3p devs work with inferior hardware kits. By 2010 it was too late to buy back what they lost.

 

The reason I personally am not  buying Wii U until proven otherwise is due to  it being a desperation move and what market calls "place holder product". I have no doubt in my mind it's powerful enough for this cycle, but I'm not so sure about how well they do  when the other horses are out of the gate.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: Except this is Nintendo we're talking about... the company that refused to let go of cartridges on the N64, the company that refused to use standard sized disks with the Gamecube, the company that repackaged an old console with motion control rather than produce a next gen machine and the company that thinks having the player take their eyes off the screen to check out a smaller display on the controller is a good idea. Not a good track record all in all.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog Some programmers who know PS1 in's and outs can run scripts that emulate ps2 behavior. You'll be surprised what a programmer can do with old hardware and a good kit. You give a developer a bad kit and he's going to yell at you.

 

360 Features are far less than ps3 but third party devs figured out how to utilize the 4 SIMD registers to rival ps3 cell microprocessors 6 spe's as well  as it's custom gpu.

 

When hardware is released, It comes with a large line of feats that work synergistically. an i7 3.3 ghz (3rd gen) doesn't have as many features as an i7 3.3 ghz(1st gen). They also come with different kits.

 

The problem is that we don't know what kind of SDK build WiiU is distributing. To make my xbox 360 play N64 games: I'd have to rewrite the script. disable the shaders. Rewrite the sound script. Reprogram the 360 to emulate N64 Behavior etc.

 

All this to say TT that there are 3 million factors that come into play when new console software tries to run software designed on a 2012 patch modded 2006 SDK. That doesn't mean Wii U SDK is inferior.

TTDog
TTDog

 @bigcrusha

 Yet SOFTware is limited by the HARDware it runs on... the best programmer in the world could not make a PS1 run a PS2 title... if the HARDware is not up to running the SOFTware then you are going to be limited in what you produce.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog Again TT you are thinking HARDWARE. HARD....WARE. programming is SOFTWARE. WiiU is 2012 SOFT...WARE. The coding used to power Wii U is 2012.

 

PC forums? I am a pc gamer actually, I also know some basic scripting, c++ and javascript. I have many friends and family in the programing and some in the gaming industry.

 

Think of it this way, specs are like the plug that goes into the jack. Programming software is like the lamp filaments and circuitry. Hardware is just the power base to a program.

 

Programing is the most detrimental part to how a game functions. That is why games from 2012 look and play 2000 times better than they did in 2006. Yet it's still ps3 and 360 hardware.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: Except that we're not talking about "new" hardware... Nintendo aren't launching the next gen console first... tehy're 6 years late joining the current generation... and are still behind what MS/Sony have produced. Ignoring specs (try that argument in the PC forums, they'll love it) there is a limit to what programming can do... which is why new consoles are released... because hardware isn't capable of producing what they know they can do on other available hardware.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog Again you're thinking hardware specs TT, you're not thinking about programming, that's a whole other generation.  Writing a script on a new console in 2012 isn't the same as writing a script on 2006 hardware.

 

Dude I know you're a smart dude. You don't need me to tell you this, just read up on the process of game design.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: I haven't changed my stance one jot... the WiiU is nit the mighty machine Nintendo claim. The NFL 06 porting issue is mute, that was changing generations where here it's a case of.moving to a machine in the same generation... albeit one that Nintendo has joined 6 years late.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog See there now you're making a bit more sense, you changed your tune, so determined to prove WiiU isn't  up to speed with current  gen hardware. Now you say it will lag behind come future titles.

 

See that's not a point I'm going to disagree with, and from the standpoint of an analyst like myself, I'd be inclined to agree with you on that.

 

Again enough with the childish insults dude, it's not really winding me up, It's just making you look stupid.

My argument with you lies with the point that this article does NOTHING to hint any sort specification as pertaining to what this console is capable.

 

And TTDog..... If you're truly older than I am, you of all people should know that standing in opposition to an argument doesn't make you a loyalist. I'm actually shocked you think so narrow minded.

 

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: Which question? How much of a Nintendo fanboy are you determined to look? How much do you hate EA? How much further can I wind you up? The WiiU is, at best, up to speed with the current Sony/MS consoles... and any serious gamers who bought a Wii will already have one of those when they realised the Wii wasn't really that much cop once you got past the gimmick of the motion control. The WiiU won't shift as many units as the Wii, casuals won't upgrade as there's no reason for them to buy a new machine when the old one can do everything they want it to. As the next gen progresses the WiiU will lag behind as more and more things are left out because the machine is already lagging behind... big releases like ME4 and AC5/6/7 will be notable by their absence.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog  I love how you're not even going to answer my question, so you resort to insults. That's where it gets pathetic for one who claims to  be older than I am.

 

Again for the millionth time, NFL06 gave them the same problem when they designed the engine for xbox and tried to port to 360. They had to cut some things.

 

Gamespot is smart, they knew an article like this would spark buzz and have people like you talking. interestingly enough, they left out the point mentioned above from the article.

 

No... no it's much easier to manipulate people like you into falsely interpretation of information. We can get the buzz and flame train going! Journalism is cool like that.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: Want some help putting your toys back in your pram? You may want to wait to see the quality of these titles before you hold them up as shining examples of the WiiU's capabilities... of course they're hyping it... what sort of impression would.it give if they announced a new machine and admitted it was worse than their competitors 6 year old machines?

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog Nah not a fail. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PROGRAM A GAME TTDOG????????!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO DESIGNING AN ENGINE AND MELDING IT WITH THE PROGRAMMING SCRIPT OF A NEWWWWWW CONSOLE.

 

Sorry I was hoping if i yelled it loud enough, it would stick.... They are porting NFL 13, not redesigning it. If anything, that helps prove my point,  that a newer console rejects a kit designed for a previous generation.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: So porting games packed with semi-scripted events invalidates my argument but EA dropping their latest engine from Madden 13 doesn't damage yours? Massive FAIL on your part there son.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog  Why is it that because I can read, it makes me a cheerleader? It's not what I can or can't accept, it's what I've seen.

 

Why can't you accept that console kit utilization is something that happens often in the industry,

 

It's not a reality check, I'm a pretty rational thinker and analyst, the problem with your "upsell' theory is that they're porting AC3. Arkham City and ME3. That automatically discredits and invalidates your point.

 

The only "reality check" here is that YOU DON'T HAVE A VALID ARGUMENT.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: And if you can't accept, even for a second, that the WiiU may not be as all powerful as Nintendo claim then stop acting like their biggest cheerleader and go seek therapy. Either that or have a lie down in a darkened room and have a reality check... console manufacturers big up their new machine all the time... its what helped Sony kill the Dreamcast before its time.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog  Quote from article: " the challenges of working with "NEW" hardware made it impossible"

 

AGAIN PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Google the term "DEVKIT" before replying again!

 

HFL 06 was also barebonned on the 360 port due to "hardware challenges"

 

Thirdly this thing is going to be running AC3. Arkham City and ME3....

 

So this article "indicates" JACK SQUAT about what this system can and can't do.

 

If you can't bring a valid point to the table then give it a rest TTDog......

 

 

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: No article can "prove" anything but this one "indicates" that, in EA's opinion (and they've had time to evaluate the WiiU far more than most) it's not capable of performing the same tasks as the PS3 and 360... Simple as that. So yet again we're looking at an already out of date console from Nintendo... instead of a Gamecube in a fancy new box we're looking at a HD Gamecube with another new box and another gimmicky controller.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog  Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that they had over a year to work with a never before seen Devkit? I want you to google the term "Devkit" and read the wiki link.

 

3P publishers have an entire console cycle to figure out how to use one. That includes patches that get periodically sent to them to make kits easier to use. That's why 360 games from 2006 have doubled in graphics quality and standard by 2012.

 

I had a programmer explain the concept to me once, he said: " Writing scripts and programming software for xbox360 is like the mathematical equation of 10. PS3 mathematical equation would be 10.5. Defaulting games at 10 or 11 would be easy, BUT 10.5??????!!!

 

That's why back in 2006 developers were sending numerous complaints to Sony saying their kits were impossible to figure out with the inclusion of the "cell processor".

 

Basically, I'm saying this article does nothing to prove that Wii U specs are out of date, specs have minimal to do with how a game is created.

TTDog
TTDog

@bigcrusha: Why is it so hard for people to grasp the concept that the WiiU may not be capable of running the same engine because Nintendo have talked up its abilities beyond what it is capable of? As for "son" I've got gaming machines that are probably older than you... experience shows that there is always a gulf between what console manufacturers say a machine can do... and reality.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @TTDog Er.... couple problems with your statement...... 

 

Historically you are right, but Nintendo already confirmed that Wii U online is going to be a much more open and user friendly experience.

 

Oh and if you think hardware specs are the only challenge a third party company like EA faces when working with new consoles? Might wanna grab a book son.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 I was at E3 in person and for a next gen system, it was less then impressive.

 

Lol, since when has any point been irrelevant!?  When an idiot is the vechicle for such a comment.  There is a difference from assertively expressing an opinion and stating a fact.  LOL, big words???  You serious?

Me thinks u need more of that there schoolin in ya .Perhaps you were able to comprehend that statement a little better.

  Waste of time?? Yet you keep replying, yet more evidence you are a fool.  Oh no I am 10X worse the a nintendo fanboy, so says some random idiot on the net who knows nothing about me, I am scarred for life. LOL

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Seen in action? When? you work for Nintendo? Or are you referring to tech demos? Because that doesn't prove anything either.

 

I would like you to explain how my point is irrelevant. Since when has any point EVER been irrelevant in the history of ALL MAN KIND given being old?? Since when does last generation hardware become irrelevant???

 

Calling fact to claim without proof yet parading around using big words like obtuse. You wanna prove me obtuse yet the only argument you have is "you'll see"?

 

You're so dead set on calling me wrong yet you haven't even once done that. What a waste of my time....

 

You are 10x worse than any Nintendo fanboy

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Lol, You lack the intellect to assertain the meaning of my obtuse question.  It was not even difficult to understand.    Its ok, people often ignore what they fail to comprehend.  You can just not admit you were wrong. 

 

The word surmise is perfect according to the definition.

 

I have already stated your "evidence" as irrelevant so why would I bother answering it?    I have seen the Wii U in action and that also confirms my suspicions about its lack of power.  You have not proven anything at all, only that you lack humility as you are unable to admit when you are wrong.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood I already told you I was ignoring the obtuse question because I understand everything you wrote, the problem isn't me understanding you.

 

I've got thousands of other points, but this one is all I really need and frankly it's pretty obvious you're not trying to rebut it is because you know you can't. In fact come to think of it, you haven't rebutted a single argument since this started...... The only point you've made is "wait and see" "closet fanboy" and "who uses bud anymore?". See if other people even bothered to read our spat, they'd think you were a simple minded bigot.

 

It isn't even an argument anymore..... Now you're sorta just barking at me.

 

Btw.... don't confuse the word surmise with theorize.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Wow, 2 replies,lol.  Oh and I see you ignored the obtuse question, I would too as you are 100% wrong. 

 

You really are a piece of work, you actually think you will change my mind with your incessant dribble. The reason why the Wii U can not support this game is because it does not have the tech to do so.  Just wait and see.  I still can not be bothered to look at the NHL scenario you seem fixated with, because it is irrelevant. 

 

 Surmising is usually one of the first steps along the way to prove a fact and I have no doubt that I am 100% correct. 

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Oh and here's a thought, 360 had top notch hardware for its time in 2005, given a year time frame to port NFL 06 on a console SDK never before seen before forced them to cut features.

 

My ENTIRE point that you aren't seeming to grasp is that making a game isn't as simple as A and B. You're opinion is invalid because you're surmising an SDK you have yet to even see. Not that you will ever see since SDK is something only a programmer can read and understand.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Know what it means, thanks. To surmise is acknowledged in the English language but by no means respected in either society or a court of law.

 

Especially don't go calling people blind idiot fanboys if you admit that you surmise things to shape your opinion. You're no less guilty than a fanboy.

 

Like I said, all the evidence I need lies in EA's history, If you refuse factual evidence due to hard headed belief and opinion, then you aren't going to make it far in life bud.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 ummm, no u did not answer the obtuse question at all, you misinterpreted it, you are not fooling anyone on that topic, bud. lol.  Even typing bud is lame. 

 

 Lol, dude your bible anecdote was a classic, did not relate to the topic at hand but was a good laugh.

 

You see I surmised from the article my opinion, I could not care less how you feel about it.  Your evidence as you put it, is flawed, too long ago and a different company.  Perhaps you should look up the meaning of surmise, that may help you, although I doubt it.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood  LOOL trailer park ROFL, So you admit you don't have any bit of evidence to support your claim and the only reason you argue it is cause it's your opinion right?

 

Not gonna answer the stupid/obtuse question because I already answered that.

 

Now the reason why I didn't consider anything you said as an answer is due to the fact that it's opinion based not a logical one, I gave you a logical and valid situational argument explaining how challenges when  designing games on new hardware are more than just mere hardware.

 

"Using this article to label Wii U underpowered would mean labeling xbox 360 underpowered 6 years ago" Dwell on that please.

 

A hardcore Christian opposes to homosexuality because the book he lives his life by claims they're gonna burn in hell and God hates them. Nobody takes them seriously because they are hate speech bigots who rant passages from an outdated 1000 year book that has no factual evidence or basis. Yet we should take him seriously because HE believes in his book and HIS opinion is that it's truth?

 

Foolish no? Again dude It has nothing to do with me not being able to agree with your "opinion" My problem is that even the most idiotic man can have an "opinion". Takes a person of intellect to do some research on a topic before jumping to conclusions.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Umm, just for future reference, being called stupid by an idiot does not carry too much weight.

 

I have never ever had to explain myself so much to anyone ever, in fact the only time I have had to explain myself multiple times was to a japanese student who spoke very little english.  What the hell is wrong with you?

 Now to the question yet again, now try to understand it this time, read it 3 or 4 times if you have to.  Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just plain stupid?  The key word here is deliberately, comprehend now?  Wow you are thick, do I really need to explain this!? 

 

I have answered your question you fool, lol.  I am not going to repeat myself yet again, read my previous posts.

 

What facts have you given, the lame 6 yr old similar situation argument, yeah good one, lol.  I have stated my opinion, you did not agree so you cried, get over it, you are far too stupid to maintain any form of a coherent conversation, so just go back to that trailer park where you were raised that no doubt you have fond memories of.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Alright... It's official, you aren't very smart by any sense of the word. Internet tough guy? LOL such things exist? Oh please what world do you live in.

 

I never said you didn't have the right to an opinion, all I asked you since the beginning of all this is HOW THIS ARTICLE PROVES YOUR STATEMENT WHEN EA HAS HAD AN ARDUOUS HISTORY OF BAD PORT CASH GRABS.

 

Now please, explain to me how I should interpret what you wrote, please go ahead... Because apparently I'm more stupid than a guy who failed to answer a single question 10 times over.

 

The only FACT here is that you don't know how to argue, and you can't have an opinion without proper education and research. You can't claim fact unless you lay factual evidence to support a claim. You cannot reject a fact no matter how old you feel it is, or how much it contradicts your opinion. if you can't rebut it then you might as well shut up.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Lol, ok sweetie, the FACT is you misinterpreted what I wrote, you can come up with all the lame excuses you want. 

 

You see, your problem is you are unable to accept other's opinions.  You come across like some sort of internet tough guy, just accept that I will believe what I want to.  I do not care at all what you think, you are a nobody to me, just same lame tool who thinks he is more intelligent then reality.  My OPINION stands, the only evidence(and I use that term loosely) you came up with was a "similar" situtation that happened 6 yrs ago on another platform. WOW  lol. 

 

  How many statements have been made through out the ages and people analyse and interpret all sorts of things from those statements.  The Wii U in my opinion is unable to handle the game due to its tech. In fact I would bet on it. 

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood I take stupid/obtuse as a derogatory either or statement, I put both together as a natural rebuttal to both.

 

You have every right to not believe "spin", that's fine, I never argued that point with you. My point is you deliberately used a controversial statement to respond to an article that did nothing to validate it. The only circle here is being created by you whom can't even answer a simple question. I asked you  a million times, given the points I laid in front of you, WHAT DOES THIS ARTICLE DO TO VALIDATE YOUR STATEMENT.

 

You're the one who keeps beating around the bush with the "cuz wii u is garb" thing. This whole "I read between lines' thing you claim to be doing is weak. You're only reading between lines for what YOU want to believe. THAT makes you look 50x more stupid than any fanboy, flamer. hater, basher etc.. You can't claim fact over an opinion that has no factual evidence to support it.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 We can go around in circles for the rest of the year if you like, my initial statement was a very simple one, I simply do not believe the spin, thats it.  If you take exception to that, then like I have said, that is your problem.   No I asked if you were being deliberately obtuse or just plain stupid, did not call you both at all, there is that reading comprehension again. 

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Thing is Crabfood is that after reading things, I don't just believe, I do my research on the topic unlike you.

 

My argument is that this article does nothing to prove what the console can and can't do, your argument is that Wii U is an inferior piece of trash. I'm not arguing that statement with you, yet you tell me you can read between lines? Like dude, and you call me stupid and obtuse?

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Awwwwwww, people like me annoy you, DEAL WITH IT!

Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just plain stupid.  For somone that claims to be able to read you certainly do not comprehend a great deal.  I said I read between the lines, I did not misinterpret anything, I just do not believe it.  If you chose to believe everything you read, thats your problem.  You fanboys in denial are so ridiculous, you whinge about me not accepting others opinions but look at you. 

 

Oh, and as for your rebuttal, that is a different system from 6 yrs ago, I could not even be bothered to check what, if any changes were made.  We are talking about the Wii U.  You can throw 1000 precidents infront of me but unless it is directly linked to the Wii U, I do not care.    The Wii U is an inferrior system and already out of date.  FACT!!!!

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Note that not once did I say in my replies that the Wii U isn't going to fail and that Nintendo isn't trying to chase a casual market again. My argument lies with people like YOU not the console. People like YOU who read things and misinterpret them to fuel  baseless opinions. Just because someone doesn't share your POV, doesn't make it fanboyism. if you think my defense is fanboyish then you have no idea wtf that word even means. Don't use words that you don't know the definition to.

 

"Your argument": "WiiU is an incapable console,  it is a gimmick reliant box that can't run 6 year old hardware such as NFL12.

 

"My Rebuttal": NFL 06 port for the 360 was also nerfed of several features due to tight deadlines and "challenges working with new hardware" therefor this proves nothing over what the WiiU is isn't capable of.

 

Now please.... Explain how that is a lacking rebuttal

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Lol, yes all I think about is how the wii u will fail and how I hate the world, lol.  Don't go for a career in profiling.  I comprehend that the Wii u is yet another gimmick, I comprehend that nintendo is once again appealing to the casual market.  The logic I used was from the benefits of hindsight.  Statements such as we are not used to the hardware has been used many times before and very little has changed in future endeavours.  If you chose to believe every single thing that you read and take it as a fact then life will be full of surprises for you.  I, however through logic and hindsight, question such statements.  In your mind you may have thought you provided a decent rebuttal, however I found it lacking and incredibly fanboyish.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Raging as in raging hard, hard as in homoerotic obsession with hating on things you cant comprehend, You're entitled to an opinion and i respect that, but flaming something without logic only makes you look dumb.

 

Half assed? I gave a pretty good explanation as to why your comment is invalid.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 oh I have no doubt that in your circles plenty of people say bud, lol.  You have little to no comprehension in debating.  Simply throwing around half assed comments is not clever nor is it funny.  Why am I arguing??/  Well I believe it takes two to argue, does it not?  I can state my opinion on the Wii U as much as I like, if you do not like it or disagree then that is your problem, sweetie xoxoxoxo  Oh and who is raging??  Not me my little pet. 

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood I know plenty who say bud bud. You said I can't read between lines yet you can't even read a line when I tell you I don't give a crap about WiiU's pass or fail. I also don't plan on getting one at launch.

 

Why is that  such a hard concept to grasp that when someone has an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't make them fanboys. It actually makes you look stupid.

 

Zero analytical skills? Comming from a guy who hasn't read that HFL 06 also axed several feats. So why are you arguing? I don't get it..... Like why are you so dead set on proving the Wii U is going to fail? Does it make you raging hard? Is it some sort of sick turn on?

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Of course u can port inferior ports you fool, there is more to a port then graphics my little pet.  LOL bud, who the hell says bud.  You have zero analytical skills because you are unable to read between the lines.  What a beautiful little world you live in, lol.  But keep defending the wii u my little closet fan boy, you may get on Shiggy's xmas card list yet.  lmao

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood Dealing? I already made you look like an idiot 4 replies ago. The only person laughing is you bud. In case you can't read, I'm going to repeat this again Mr. Analytical skills: "MY ARGUMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WII U AT LAUNCH, I COULD GIVE 2 CRUDS OVER WHETHER THE WIIU FAILS OR NOT. MY ARGUMENT WITH YOU IS BEING STUPID ENOUGH TO USE THIS ARTICLE TO PROVE A FLAWED THESIS" Please analyse that. 

 

AAAAAAANDDD.... You can't design infinitely inferior ports on Pixel/Vertex Shader 3.0. Nvidia and ATI made sure of that. IF the console can port 2012 games then it's a fully capable console.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Lol, I love dealing with people who think they are more intelligent then the cold hash reality, always good for a laugh.  Wow some games are being ported over, lol and.........   This does not mean a thing, there are plenty of inferior ports everywhere in gaming.  When this lame gimmick of a system is released and you see for yourself, you can apolagise to me then.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood LoL I did established your point more than 3 days ago. Problem is you can't disprove mine.

 

AC3. Arkham City and ME3 are being ported to Wii U... That disproves your point of the console being weak. Now try explaining why my point is a load of crap? Go ahead.

 

Someone who uses his brain, reads and understand things doesn't make them loyalists. I don't even plan on buying this machine unless they have what i want. Why I choose to defend it is due to complete Idiocy. I've argued with Nintendo fanboys before, yet I  find the flamers the most detestable.

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 If you are unable to establish what my point is, then the fault lies with you.  The Wii U is a gimmick system just like the Wii, it is not capable of running this game, end of story.  This story about not having enough time to utilise the hardware properly is a load of crap. You are the worst kind of fanboy, a closet fanboy.  When the games start rolling out for this already antiquated system, that will be all the proof you need.  

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood I'm an Idiot because I can read? LOOOOOOL!!!!!! You're a real piece of work man.... Weren't you the one insulting my analytical skills earlier? ROFL

 

Look dude, you wanna flame, I get it and I respect your right to have an opinion but at least make it educated. I don't like fanboys either. However, all you've managed to prove here is that you're far less intelligent than they are. Whats the point man?.... Honestly....

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

 @bigcrusha

 Yeah, the reason why the Wii U can not handle all aspects of the game is because it is an under powered piece of crap.  It has nothing to do with devlopers not being used to the harware. 

 

Ps, sorry u r not a fanboy, just an idiot, my mistake.

bigcrusha
bigcrusha

 @Lordcrabfood But that's just what I don't understand Mr. crabfood.  The article pertains to the omission of certain features due to the fact that working with new consoles requires longer than usual dev cycles being in unfamiliar territory. I fail to see how "Wii U is a gimmick" has anything to do with the article.

 

The result would hardly be different had NFL 13 been designed on  PS4 or Xbox720 dev kits so your point is redundant and void of logic.

 

Ps....  Pretty idiotic assuming that simply disagreeing with someone makes them a fanboy. Especially when this so called "fanboy" has Master Chief as his dp and is an avid Xbox lover.