Lifetime US Wii sales surpass Xbox 360

Nintendo points to latest NPD numbers as putting the motion-sensing system atop the domestic retail heap.

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The industry-tracking NPD Group's sales data for June isn't set for release until later today, but Nintendo is already touting the figures as an inflection point in the current console wars. The publisher proclaimed that the NPD's latest figures show that the Wii has attained the title of the best-selling current-generation console in the US. Nintendo managed to make the claim without once mentioning by name the previous king of the sales hill, Microsoft's Xbox 360.

More than 666,000 Wii systems were sold at US retailers during June, putting the lifetime total for the region at nearly 10.9 million. However, the console still took a backseat to the Nintendo DS, as the handheld racked up more than 783,000 sales in June and more than 20.8 million in the US since its November 2004 launch.

Finally, Nintendo underscored the abundance of Wii and DS titles in the NPD Group's June stats, with six of the top 10 best-selling games being made for its systems. Guitar Hero On Tour took the second spot, with four through seven being occupied by Wii Fit, Wii Play, Mario Kart Wii, and Lego Indiana Jones for the Wii, in that order. The DS edition of Lego Indy also made its way onto the list at number nine.

[UPDATE] The NPD Group has since released its June sales data, which shows Mario Kart Wii and the Wii edition of Lego Indiana Jones in seventh and eighth place respectively, not sixth and seventh as Nintendo had stated.

Discussion

321 comments
MKF30
MKF30

On the contrary just nonplussed, that post of yours clearly shows your logic is flawed and not meths, to say Nintendo makes the same old games is not only dumb but hypocritical. Sony has banked on the same games for years like FF, RE, GTA, MGS etc, etc so please don't say nintendo makes way more mario games then anything else. They ALL make key 1st party games that sell well, nuff said. I don't care if it's Nintendo, Sony or Xbox. They all do it. Sony with Solid Snake, Nintendo with Mario, and Xbox with MC.... And to use Doom of all games is rather weak...first off it's not even a "great" FPS...secondly, if anything Nintendo is the key reason gaming is so large now...Sony is the culprit for killing gaming and turning off people more then anything with their lack of good games and ridiculous prices and xbox needs to fix the dumb RROD glitch already... Nintendo was here in the beginning 15+ years ago and is still here, let's face it Nintendo IS the gaming industry....

just_nonplussed
just_nonplussed

Methuselah6463, your argument is flawed. nintendo regurgatate the same old games over and over again, just the same as the games you bark about on other systems. there has been 'wayyyyyyyyyyyy' more mario games than doom games, for instance. the mario brand has been exploited and raped for every penny. nintendo have some good games and a proud heritage to look back on, but they are a total factory and one of the worst culprits when it comes to endless franchising.

Methuselah6463
Methuselah6463

people who claim that Nintendo has turned its back on "Hard core players" are insane! and personally I think VERY close minded.. any hard core gamer can tell you that the classics wii has preserved alone makes it worth having. The games on it that are being made are really quite amazing. MK, RE4, REUC,Mario Kart.. and about a billion others I can think of are wayyyyyyyyyyyy better on this system then any other because it gives a feeling of interaction!! xbox,ps3 .. Don't get me wrong they look pretty...but its the same old crap over and over and over again.. another game that I am going to sit on my couch and try to beat the same way I beat Doom on the pc or only with nicer colors..which is fine.. and I don't see anything wrong with it..but not one of the games on either of those systems I can honestly say I sat down and played and said...wow this is new and I am going to remember this...no.. Graphics are cool to upgrade but its really the interaction and the feeling you get from playing a game that you remember.. anyone who played Zelda A link to the past..can tell you there will never be a game like that ever again..because it had the right feeling and it had the right emotion to it.. All I been seeing lately "and i am sure people are going to hate me for saying this" but all I have been seeing lately is a bunch of copys of Doom with higher graphics, and Mortal Kombat and street fighter but prettier.. I mean come on..its COOL TO HAVE..but I have seen it so many times that its just sad people get sucked into this cycle of repeats.. if I didn't play doom years ago.. maybe i would like your halo's and your whatevers..but i find it just sad that the same crap is being given out just nicer colors

MKF30
MKF30

Not all the Nintendo titles are childish, MK, GTA, RE, NMH to name a few have hit/or will hit Nintendo more etc but I hear what you're saying, well said H_A_L_O_3. You're right Nintendo's been here from the beginning they know the gaming market better then anyone in the end. I want a 360 too at some point, aheivements points?bahhh lol just an incentive for the gamer to complete the game but it's alright I suppose. IMO it's not necessary but some people like them. Super Mario Bros 3=priceless. My fav personally is the SNES version, Super Mario World but 3 was awesome too.

H_A_L_O_3
H_A_L_O_3

Lets face facts, Wii is innovation, there is nuthin else like it on the market. I have a Wii, and yes it is collecting dust (much like my PS3), but thats only because the games out are either A) 2 childish B) on 360 where id rather play them because of the better graphics and of course, the ever popular achievement points. Besides Nintendo has been around since before i was even born, i stil have the original NES that i play (can't beat Super Mario 3, epic game) they know the market. If any one else can remeber, Microsoft is new to the console racket (there on there 2nd, Sony is on there 3rd, 4th if you count 2 diff. PS1 and Nitendo is on like there what 5th or 6th now) PS. Nintendo has been around since the 1800, they made playing cards

MKF30
MKF30

"Geigerdol said"Yeah? Well right now my wii is sitting next to my tv collecting dust. When I use it if ever I play wii fit but that's about it. I have not bought a single new game for it post Super Smash Bros Brawl. suffice it to say even that I haven't played in a while. I still plan on getting a PS3 eventually if only for Infamous and that one other game." Yeah, well my PSX and PS2 are collecting dust right now and have been the past few years as would a PS3 if I had one while I play the heck out of my Nintendo and Xbox one consoles....Infamous?lol to each his own man but I'll take my chances with Nintendo and 360. @ cloudstife lol it's all good dude, but just noting that as far as "gaming" Blu Ray is pointless. I will say I'd rather have and be much happer with HD for 360(less money then the blu ray in total) and/or my regular DVD movies :-) the comparison with HD vs. Blu ray is very close, my friend has the HD 360 attachment, I must admit Transformers looked gorgeous on it when I watched it at my friends place: ) @x-2tha- wrong dude, Nintendo has LOTS to be proud of about between the Wii and DS on top of their history overall, don't even say such nonsense please. Thanks : ) They haven't turned their backs on anyone, the whole "gaming community " doesn't revolve around "just hardcore gamers" people have to open their eyes and realize this....*shakes head*

x-2tha-z
x-2tha-z

Nintendo have nothing to be proud of with the Wii. Yes, it's made them lots of money, but they've turned their back's on the core gamers who kept them in business all these years.

cloudstrife145
cloudstrife145

what's even more sad about this article is that xbox360 had a 1 year head start.

GeigerdolylWodd
GeigerdolylWodd

"MKF30 @AlucardsFate, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Well said dude, glad to see there are some logical people out there still that see the facts for what it is, the Wii is owning for good reason, simple fact. The haters wil never see it, but the reality is they live in envy. All I'm going to say. Not even PS2 was as hot as the wii is currently doing. And I loved your definition of "hardcore vs. casual" a gamer is a gamer and right now, MOST gamers want or crave Wii. Nuff said." Yeah? Well right now my wii is sitting next to my tv collecting dust. When I use it if ever I play wii fit but that's about it. I have not bought a single new game for it post Super Smash Bros Brawl. suffice it to say even that I haven't played in a while. I still plan on getting a PS3 eventually if only for Infamous and that one other game.

cloudstrife145
cloudstrife145

agreed with MKF30 about everything, except for the info about blu-ray disc being totally useless. blue-ray discs give more storage space which means better game quality. (graphics, sound, maybe gameplay) plus, you can watch blue-ray disc movies in the ps3 :P

MKF30
MKF30

@AlucardsFate, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Well said dude, glad to see there are some logical people out there still that see the facts for what it is, the Wii is owning for good reason, simple fact. The haters wil never see it, but the reality is they live in envy. All I'm going to say. Not even PS2 was as hot as the wii is currently doing. And I loved your definition of "hardcore vs. casual" a gamer is a gamer and right now, MOST gamers want or crave Wii. Nuff said. FYE said "@MKF30 Are you saying BluRay is a gimmick? It is quite practical. It allows for a great deal more storage space (especially compared to the Wii's optical discs). I'm not sure it was a good idea for Sony to put them in all their consoles, since it drove up the price of the consoles themselves and reduced the profit that Sony makes from each game. It certainly is not a gimmick though. Don't try to tell me that Nintendo is all that creative. They're at the top of the heap because they appeal to a wider audience. The 360 and PS3 split the "hardcore gamer" audience, and the Wii gets the casual gamer audience to itself. It would be like two Republics and one Democratic running for president. Guess who would win? With all due respect Nintendo's been milking the same game franchises for over a decade (or mulitple decades depending on the franchise). Mario was first seen in the game Donkey Kong in 1981. I own a Wii so I feel that I have grounds to say that I find it unimpressive (especially compared to my 360). The Wii doesn't appeal to everyone (e.g. FPS fans)." lol So you're judging it based off "FPS fans" dude there's more games out there then just FPS games.....who cares about just FPS games when you have a good balance of games like Wii. Actually, I will tell you Nintendo is creative since Sony is nothing but a bunch of arrogant, copy cat people that take both Nintendo and M$$ ideas.....yet claims "credit" for themselves making it up. Mega Lame dude. And to say nintendo has been "milking the same franchises is the most moot, silliest and hypocritical point you can say" So you're saying Sony hasn't been milking or trying to go after gamers over the years with "their key hits" like MGS, FF, GTA etc? Bull crap....so that entire post you just made it totally moot and pointless. In fact, every console all 3 of them will of course keep making their"best hit exclusives" M$$-Halo Nintendo-Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc Sony-umm, ohh yeah since they lost everything just about they can still brag about MGS I suppose....but prior to that they were milking GTA, FF, GT etc how do you not see this? So if that's seriously your argument then I can easily say well....I guess all 3 have been milking their "cash cow exclusives" to get buyers......seriously now, don't be a hypocrite. And lol are you kidding me man? Nintendo Wii isn't a gimmick because it works like I said before due to the gameplay, the wii remote actually has uses that work well pertaining to gameplay...unlike Sony's "blu ray" you're trying to tell me people/gamers care about that nonsense? lol no way man, and if you seriously don't understand that then I don't know what to tell you're living in denial... you just look at the current standings via console wars and your "great Sony and it's Blu Ray " are dead last and most likely will remain there quite a while if not the whole console war. Like someone else mentioned, they're 6-7 million behind M$ and M$ is roughly the same estimate behind Nintendo....so in a nutshell, Sony is NO where near 1st and won't be this time around. The Blu Ray screams gimmick on it because it has 0% to do with gaming and as myself and many, many others on here said. Nobody cares about Blu Ray when it comes to gaming and their ridiculous, ripoff price tag is just insane and illogical. I also play all 3 on a daily basis, my friend has had all 3 since week one and every weekened I hang at his place, we play the newest games for all systems. Nintendo has hardcore games, as well as casual gamers. Guess you never played SSBB, Mario Kart, Zelda, NMH, Wii sports, Metroid etc. Those appeal very much to the hardcore gamer, casual gamer or just general gamer. Unlike Sony and M$ but sony mainly they just concentrate on "mature/hardcore gamers" that seem to think "those are the only gamers that sell games" are obviously wrong and that's not logical nor enough to do well, as you can see. Not to mention the ridiculous pricetag. LOL@ the guy who said Nintendo's arrogant, haaaaa such a sony fanboy. No sir, Sony are the only ones out of the 3 that are beyond arrogant and their stupid arrogance killed them this time, about damn time too. But by all means sony, keep bragging about Blu Ray, it's doing you wonders isn't it?......... Last Rensahi wrote"MKF30 @ Last Renshai, it's more like welcome to reality pal. Nobody cares about Blu Ray BS....people buy consoles for gaming, not for watching movies or having tons of useless things like that only trying and just another way for Sony to drain people's money...of course only the foolish buy into that nonsense. "People buy consoles for gaming.." -- Wow, I wonder why a gaming console would have Blu Ray??? I just can't believe that they would use next gen technology!!!! -- Oh wait maybe it's the fact that you can fit more on the disc allowing a greater range of options for developers?" And again man, what does Blu Ray itself have to do with actual gaming, games, online play? I'd honestly love to see the % of people who own a PS3 and how much of that % have it JUST for Blu Ray....as oppose the people that have one for actual games, gaming. @Nando Supes, thank you sir. I respect you for being the only Sony fan on here that actually posts a logical, valid point concerning Nintendo over the years and what an impact it's had on the gaming community. At least someone isn't in denial, nor ignoring facts of gaming history. Same here bud, I was around at the NES days myself and have to admit for any "gamer" despite which console you're a fan of NOT to respect Nintendo doesn't know a damn thing about gaming. Period. Unfortunately some Sony and M$ fans, mainly Sony I have to say are blinded by their own arrogance and fanboyism of Sony and hatred for Nintendo..... When GTA starts selling more for the 360 and going to the DS you know you're in trouble if you're Sony, but by all means Sony fanboys live in denial all you want.....I really don't care at this point lol

3anks
3anks

The Wii is so overrated. I can't wait till it falls!!! I wish you ill Wii!!!!!

Desode
Desode

How many Mature rated games does the Wii have ?

rgame1
rgame1

please show info about disaster plz nintendo.

metc123
metc123

any brawlers out there hit me up lol!

metc123
metc123

Good old nintendo aye!! what would we do without them!! we owe are industry to Big N, so it's good to see Dr Mario n co back on top

AlucardsFate
AlucardsFate

"mddg_mmcc Interesting to see how people are trying to justify this. You can voice your opinions on which console is the best until you're blue in the face, but you're overlooking one indisputable fact: More people own or want a Wii. Period. And the "hardcore vs.casual" argument is moot. A gamer is someone who plays games. Wii gamers are still gamers. "Hardcore" is a question of genre, not a definition of a gamer. Lastly, the price difference is less than $100 now. That's not much when you're looking to spend $500+ regardless of which console you buy. So that's not a valid argument either." My thoughts exactly. Someone else who truly understands what gaming is like myself. Hardcore is a senseless label many people use as a way of feeling superior, nothing more. If you play games...your a gamer. PERIOD. Judging by your collection sir...you've been gaming for a very long time. Got a lot of Atari 2600 carts in there...I wish I still had my Atari stuff...But I was small...and you lose things when your a kid...

Fyre8892
Fyre8892

@cloudstrife145 If you see a hole in my reasoning then point it out. Simply calling me "an xbox360 fanboy" is not a very credible rebuttal.

haloshalo
haloshalo

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haloshalo
haloshalo

Guys I think the Michael Jackson ( EARTH ) song lyrics was : What about new Zelda, What about new super mario What about all the games That you said we were to play What about donky kong , Is there a chance ,What about all the money That you said was yours not mine... Did you ever stop to notice, All the broken hart hard core gamers ,Did you ever stop to notice how many attachment we have? Aaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaah What have you done to the true gamers ,Look what we are playing now What about the motion plus, That it supposed to be built in from day one ,What about the stupid mic Is there a space on my tv ,What about a wireless nunchuck ,That you said it is not the time ,Did you ever stop to notice, the small third party you have , Did you ever stop to notice The unsupported hd and 16 /9 on most games Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaah I used to play and fun I used to glance and anticipate new mega games Now I don't know where they are now ,Although I know you have drifted far, and the wii is a dust collector now Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaaah How many adds on must their be, Before we have the chance to play a good game with every body tell Nintendo that no reel games coming to the wii every body pray and cry so Nintendo may hear us and stop the party games

haloshalo
haloshalo

the WII and the DS is a Revolution

ricardo-sene
ricardo-sene

I'm a huge fan of Nintendo, but I have to agree that there is no more games for me on the Wii. The GameCube was behind of ps2, but it had lot's of excellent games for a hardcore gamer like me. But now it's difficult to imagine myself playing games like Skies Of Arcadia Legends, Hitman, Freedom Fighters, Prince Of Persia, XIII, Beyond Good & Evil, Rainbow Six, Tales Of Symphonia, Call Of Duty, etc... on the Wii. My preferred console today is no more a Nintendo console. Even so I'm still a Nintendo fan, and I keep following Nintendo everywhere.

darkride66
darkride66

Yuck_Too said "Seriously? HDTV broadcasts is what most people watch on their HDTV's...people just don't watch that many blu-ray movies." Yep. I'm a movie guy, not really a TV guy and back when the PS3 was first released there were my 6 HD channels that my cable provider offered so I didn't bother. The PS3 was finally able to give my HD a decent workout and it's still my primary use for my HD because, as I said, I don't really watch much television.

cybergooch
cybergooch

WHAT?!? Gamespot said something positive about someone other than the 360? What's going on here? Is there new management? LOL, finally! Now people can stop saying that the GS staff favors the 360 on everything...and they have sales numbers to back their story!

zgreenwell
zgreenwell

I was at Toys R Us the other Day and 14 people were lined up outside the store waiting to buy a WIi. You would think that if people really wanted it they would have gotten one by now.

hmaxpain
hmaxpain

it doesn't matter to me if everyone in the world owned the wii but me I still wouldnt be begging for one. I sold my old one the only game i had to play was twilight princess. after seeing nintendos e3 conference im glad i got my money back. the whole thing is based on the controller and it just wears off really fast on me. I see how it could appeal to children and adults 40 years and older though

RockaWuzHur
RockaWuzHur

I have both a Wii and a Xbox 360 and I must agree with Hex_Of_A_Nation the Wii is the worst of the three consoles. I dont care about sales. There are few good games for the Wii and Nintendo relies to much on its first party developers. Its supposed to appeal to a more casual market even there it sucks. Non gamers buy the Wii and assume that its gonna have great games because of the motion sensing and when they realize that their assumption is wrong they stop playing it. The Wiis software sales suck as you can see which fuels my theory. I hope Nintendo is enjoying their little party because with the PS3 and 360s venture into casual gaming the Wii will steadily die. Nintendo knows what there doing their keeping their company alive. If the Wiis sales flopped Nintendo would lose alot of money and eventually have to close due to the fact that they have know other means. Microsoft has Windows and Sony has electronics.

mddg_mmcc
mddg_mmcc

Interesting to see how people are trying to justify this. You can voice your opinions on which console is the best until you're blue in the face, but you're overlooking one indisputable fact: More people own or want a Wii. Period. And the "hardcore vs.casual" argument is moot. A gamer is someone who plays games. Wii gamers are still gamers. "Hardcore" is a question of genre, not a definition of a gamer. Lastly, the price difference is less than $100 now. That's not much when you're looking to spend $500+ regardless of which console you buy. So that's not a valid argument either.

NandoSupes
NandoSupes

as a PS3 owner. I have to credit to Nintendo if it was not for them, I wouldn't have the passion that I have for video games today. I'm on my late 20's I've played my share of games lol!!!, more coming. Nintendo has influenced the industry for more than 20 years and still going strong, give credit where credit is due.

Hex_Of_A_Nation
Hex_Of_A_Nation

I have all 3 system, and i have to say...the wii is just junk. I hate it sooo much. I dnt no y ppl like it

Ed_The_Great
Ed_The_Great

So much for the many experts predicting the Wii being dead by 2008.

siLVURcross
siLVURcross

Meh, it was expected. It's cheap and appeals to a wider audience, despite the fact that it lacks any real good games.

Fyre8892
Fyre8892

@crills You are most certainly wrong. The 360 has way more than FPS games. The 3 most anticipated title right now for the 360 are Fable 2, Gears of War 2, and Halo Wars. Did you notice anything about those games? None of them are FPS games. FPS have difficult settings for a reason. If you beat it on easy, move to a setting more fitting. Play Mile High Club in CoD4 on Veteran and then come back and tell me FPS games are too easy. FPS games will be shorter than a Zelda game because FPS games also feature multiplayer/online play. "ALL THE TRULY NEXT GEN STUFF ON THE WII" Dude, I don't care if you like the Wii, but don't give me this fan boy stuff. The Wii is using last gen tech all across the board. Its CPU and GPU are comperable to the original Xbox's and its "cutting edge" motion sensing technology has existed for decades. The 360 uses an analog controller because anything else would interfere with control schemes on popular games such as Halo 3, CoD4, Gears of War, Bioshock, etc. Bottom line is that hardcore gamers don't necessarliy want motion sensing, and if they do they need a system with an analog controller as well. "WE ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH NEW AND FRESH IDEAS" Please, Nintendo has been using the same characters and game franchises for decades. I have to give them props for keeping those franchises alive this long, but they are getting way old. I would rather go grab my Gameboy Color and play Super Mario Bros (a truely briliant and original idea in its time) than play some Mario knockoff on my Wii.

superanerd
superanerd

i can't believe that wiis are more :^

NND1
NND1

As an owner and experiencer of Robbie the Robot and the Light gun package back in '86 I Salute the big N on their wii success.... But honestly as a gamer there is no comparison...... 360 blows the wii out of the water and into outer space.... wii has too many SUCKY aps..... Awesome System but lets be real.....

joeyfine
joeyfine

how in the world is buying a DS? doesnt everyone own one buy now?

chex81
chex81

meh...what do you expect from a console that was almost half price at its launch and came with the only game everyone wanted for the console? lol good for nintendo...

Gen-Gawl
Gen-Gawl

It's good to see nintendo do well. I grew up on the NES so I have a soft spot for them. It wasn't my first, but is was the most influential for me. Sure, i had an IBM PC, and atari 2600, an intellivision but the NES really made an impact on me. After the 'relative' failures of the N64 and GC they needed a hit, and they got one with the Wii.

capitalthoughts
capitalthoughts

Telekenesis123 Actually, the x360 and Ps3 are the hotdogs and the Wii is the prime rib at this point. X360 has never taken off in Japan because the Japanese expect a higher quality machine then one who has something like the 3 rings of death. As for the PS3, and uneducated consumer would buy one at the rates and times they change price points. I have a friend who purchased a ps3 40 gig for 400 dollars a few months ago. Needless to say how upset he was when he heard about the 400 dollar 80 gig model. Talk about stabbing uneducated consumers in the back. The wii never promised anything incredibly special other then motion control interaction. The Wii has delievered on all of it's promises, something the X360 and PS3 have failed multiple times, yet they keep getting free passes, why? Is it because they are better systems, or do people have to find some way to validate their 400-600 dollar video game systems by attacking the one system that has done what it said it would do?

crills
crills

Fyre8892 i have a 360 and a wii and i play with the wii just as much as my 360 but lets talk truth alot of you in here hate on the wii but the 360 all it has are fps and any body can beat one of those but i bet you if i gave you a game like zelda or mario galaxy you wont finish it as fast as that fps.so what theres no hd a real gamer will play on a toaster if the games plays good (crono trigger any one)i feel soory for you so called hard core gamers cause your playing last gen games with a hd face lift and some voice chat while im enjoying ALL OF THEM THE PS3 THE 360 AND ALL THE TRULY NEXT GEN STUFF ON THE WII WERE WE ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH NEW AND FRESH IDEAS EVEN IF THEY DONT ALL WAYS WORK OUT YOU GOT TO AT LEAST TRY CAUSE IF NOT WILL WILL BE PLAYING THE SAME GAMES FOR EVER and im a hard core gamer since 1979 ....CRILL VIRUS MY GAMER TAG FOR THOSE THAT THINK IM LYING ITS THE SAME ON THE PS3 JUST NO SPACE (CRILLVIRUS)

dlihcraw
dlihcraw

What a reversal from the N64 and GC days. Unfortunately, Sega was never able to reposition itself like Nintendo. I adore the Dreamcast, but it was a commercial failure. Shame, shame. *sigh*

soccerguy93
soccerguy93

@cloudstrife145 "Hardcore" games aren't just bloody, gory games. Final Fantasy is definitely considered "hardcore".

SkullXero
SkullXero

@ funkadima. You do realize sony has shrunk the 7 million gap in sales to microsoft from last year down to 5.5 million. Not to mention it sells slightly more units worldwide per year compared to m$. Microsoft only leads because it took that head start and sony is catching up. How does the ps3 not have a good lineup coming this fall and next spring. Should I type out the full list of slated releases. Of course Nintendo will remain king this generation, but i hate when peopel act like sony is down and out. A 5 million unit lead for a system that had a year head start is nothing compared to the leads we have seen in past gaming gens. Lets be realistic and realize that MS and Sony will be finishing is a close second place to Nintendo. there will be no losers as this is one of the rare times you see 3 major companies thriving in a console war

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

--darkride66 -- " My HD projector was pretty under utilized until I bought my PS3, as with most HD TV owners I know." ~~~ Seriously? HDTV broadcasts is what most people watch on their HDTV's...people just don't watch that many blu-ray movies...as shown by the lack-luster sales compared to any other media option.