LG wins PS3 import ban in Europe

Continent's customs officials ordered to seize shipments of Sony's console as part of ongoing patent litigation with Korean electronics company.

LG took the nuclear option earlier this month in its ongoing patent litigation with Sony, petitioning the US International Trade Commission to block PlayStation 3 and Bravia TV imports to the United States. While the result of that petition remains to be determined, LG has claimed victory in a similar complaint put before the US ITC's European counterpart.

The PS3 may soon be hard to come by in Europe.

The Guardian reports today that LG has won a preliminary injunction in its ongoing patent dispute with Sony, and customs officials have been ordered to seize all PS3 imports into the UK and continental Europe. The ruling, which was reached by a civil court in the Hague, dictates that all PS3 imports must be confiscated as they are imported for a period of at least 10 days.

According to The Guardian, tens of thousands of PS3s have already been seized by customs officials in the Netherlands. Rotterdam and Schiphol, both located in the Netherlands, are the primary import points for PS3s coming into the UK and Europe, and consoles are currently being held in Dutch warehouses.

The report notes that Sony imports approximately 100,000 units into Europe a week. However, PS3s won't immediately begin disappearing from store shelves, as most retailers have between two and three weeks of stock on hand. LG's current options, The Guardian reports, are to extend the 10-day injunction, or to request a court order to have Sony's confiscated consoles destroyed.

Sony's US arm had not responded to a request for comment as of press time. However, speaking to The Guardian, a Sony Europe representative said, "We are currently looking into this matter and cannot make any comments at this point in time."

The patent dispute began late last year, when Sony filed a complaint with international courts over seven alleged patent infringements by LG, which is based in South Korea. At the heart of the complaint were a number of LG's mobile phones, including the new Windows Phone 7-enabled Quantum. Sony also targeted LG's Blu-ray players as part of a civil lawsuit.

However, LG soon struck back with patent-infringement claims of its own. One claim targeted the PS3's Blu-ray technology, specifically as it pertains to how the console's media format works with multiple data streams and data reproduction. Sony's alleged TV infringement deals with high-definition receivers, as well as signal receiving and processing.

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liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 I dont care enough to bother sorry

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 Then, you may like to check a review for one of the games I have reviewed. If that'll convince you of any change in your opinion about my journalism.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 I dont really care one way or the other if you have friends. I have a biased opinion in what I like yes thats true, but I havent made things up to further that point of view. the wii exclusives are the best games on the system as a vast majority of games on the wii suck big time. As for sony vs microsoft I think the WORST possible thing that could happen is for one of them to "win" the concole war. As long as they are going toe to toe they will both be trying to one up each other and thats good for the consumer. The "facts" you pointed to were incomplete at best and represent the very worst in journalism and in fan boy dogma. I believe that customer service should be based on how it deals with a problem and microsoft spent well over 1 billion dollars to correct its mistake. Its imporant to realise that EVERY electronic component out there has a fail rate and that most companies(including sony) wont recognise a problem till after a law suite. Another thing I dont really like about sony is its seemingly endless mandate to copy and steal other peoples work. This goes all the way back to the origianl ps3 controller which went through a change every time nintendo added something to the n64. One thing I dont like about MS is their willingness to over charge for peripherals. I was going to go on but Im bored so Im not going to. My point is that you can say bad things about something but it just makes you look like a fanboy when its incomplete or just made up.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 You really are starting to tick me off. Can I help being somewhat biased? No. My opinion is based on stimulus, as is yours. I like what I like. You like what you like. I told you facts I already knew, and knew for some time, and you STILL resort to calling me a Sony fanboy. I know, and have played, more Nintendo exclusives than Sony exclusives, and I also believe that Nintendo consoles and games are better than most Sony and Microsoft games. I am NOT, I repeat and re-emphasize, *NOT* a Sony fanboy. Friends I have will attest to that, and don't pull the 'you have no friends' cliché, because that is way too predictable.

liam82517
liam82517

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DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 Only if you stop calling me a fanboy I will leave you. Also, I never insinuated that I knew that I was right; I was only stating facts. Jumping the gun as normal. Furthermore, you could have corrected me in a nicer fashion, rather than being a total utter big-headed dork about it. It's not just me in the wrong - it's you as well.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Am I holding you here against your will? You are annoying me because you dont shut up. I have answered you questions and corrected you. I have told you not to take my word for it and to use google but you insist that you are right. Thats a FANBOY and its annoying. Now shoe fly quit bothering me.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 Now I'm starting to think you're laying into me for little reason but to p*** me off. Why bother? It isn't making you the better man. You're like a bully, frankly.

liam82517
liam82517

@DarkNeoBahamut Its not 100% but it looks like sony might have won to get the ban lifted and lg have been order to pay sony 130,000 euros for losses and legal fees(which is weird) and order to pay 200,000 euros for every day they delay(not so weird) Although the actual case will continue. A lucky break for sony as if it had not won to get the ban lifted all the ps3s seized to date (around 300,000) would have been destroyed. The case will continue and the US case will begin later this month I believe. Worst case scenario for sony will be to have to pay lg a percentage for every ps3 slim sold to date worldwide. @DanielL5583 Stop talking to me troll.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 Or why not go along with your own advice?

DarkNeoBahamut
DarkNeoBahamut

well, do we know anything else on this? does the ban continue?

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Sorry Im done feeding trolls for the day. The answer to everything you posted has been covered you can use google you dont have to take my word for it. You wanna prove your not a troll go research your statements and you see how wildly off the mark you are. 1. Just because YOU buy wii games doesnt mean everyone else is. Its a system that has pretty much nothing but shovelware.2. Xbox 360 has had problems in the past but to ms credit they took responsibility and fixed and or replaced broken xboxes. 3. big rings happen when people move thier concles with discs inside. 4. ps3 has a very high rate of bluray laser failure. 5. ALL GAMES THAT GET LEAKED LEAK EARLY NOT JUST MW" AND NOT JUST ON XBOX!!!!!!!! ast time Im saying anyof that. If you cant be bothered to read I dont see why I should bother to type. Now go away little troll i shall feed you no more.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 You're making yourself more of a troll by your own comments. Also, what exactly have I lost?

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Ive answered you troll. Its hardly my fault you lack the higher brain function to comprehend what it is Ive said. Just go back to playing pokadude and leave the conversations to the grown ups that dont get all bent out of shape just because sony got its knuckles wrapped. Goodbye troll you lost accept it and move on.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 You say I'm a fanboy, and yet you don't fully justify that. All you're saying is I said some facts that you said weren't true, even though they WERE, and you have the cheek to call me a troll, even though you don't justify it?! What is wrong with you?! You say stupid stuff like that, and you're going to get a reply. If anything, YOU are the troll.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Ive answered your points. you just choose not to listen as you are a fanboy. or as charlie sheen would say "TROLL!"

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 *ahem* So I've pointed out the facts that I still buy Wii games, the fact the PS3 had the Yellow Light of Death and the Febuary the 29th bug (which I failed to mention earlier), whereas the XBOX had the Red Ring of Death and the disc reader problem, AND the fact that MW2 was being copied on the XBOX prior to launch, and yet you're saying that I am stating incorrect facts, and you have neglected to mention that much? Hypocrite...

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Why dont you take your own advice? Oh thats right because you are a fan boy that HAS to be right. Sorry but your wrong. Its not something to have an opinion about, you have stated incorrect facts and you dont like that I have pointed them out. So why dont you leave and stop being a fanboy.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 For a start, someone who has a slightly biased opinion. Different from fanboy, because of the word 'slightly'. Don't like it, then don't accept it and leave.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Look at what you have said. What other conclusion is there other than fanboy?

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 I will. If you stop calling me a fanboy, because I'm not.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Daniel I dont have to respect the views of someone that makes things up. I dont care about your views on piracy, yes it is immoral but not for the reasons you would plaster the internet with. We are entitled to your opinion but all I would ask is that you do some of your own research and not just spew out the lies that these corporations tell everyone in their spindoctor press conferences. Yes piracy exists and yes it is not "right" HOWEVER it is not the problem that companies like sony make out. There is at best 1% of the world that steal movies music videogames and software, If this wasnt the case they wouldnt be posting massive profits accross the board. Black ops just smashed all previous records for games sales yet all I hear is how game sales are falling because of piracy, how can that be true? In my opinion 2nd sales are far worse than piracy. Just because someone downloads a game it doesnt mean they were going to by that game, but if you have some one going into a shop to buy a game and instead of buying new they buy used that is money snatched right out of the hands of the developers, correct? Stop with they fanboy garp and hows about you leave me alone if you dont like my views you started this after all.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 So, you're saying no-one buys games for the system, yet I still do? Wise up... Also, the reason I mention piracy is because I detest the idea. I say piracy is immoral. I don't see any need for it. You also mention I need to start using common sense. You don't know me; don't control my thoughts nor actions. Accept my views or just leave me alone.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Sorry I did look at the picture as I could really care less what its a picture of. Its funny thought that you say your a nintendo fan and then slag off MS for pirated games. The wii has been hacked to bits NO ONE buys games for the system. It has the worst attach rate of the current generation with ps3 2nd and oh looky xbox in first place in the attach rate polls. You sir are a hater pure and simple. Your facts are wraped to fit your own agenda and are based in fantasy land. The xbox has its faults the same as ps3 and the same as the wii, the quicker you come to terms with that the happier youll be. There is nothing that says you only have to like ONE console. Oh and on one last note EVERY game that is leaked is leaked early its not xbox exclusive as you can see from wii uploads and now ps3 uploads. Stop being a fan boy and use some common sense.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 I make more a Nintendo fanboy more than a Sony fanboy. Can you not tell by my profile picture?! The XBOX was notorious for having more people downloading pirated copies of games for them to play, BEFORE THEY WERE LAUNCHED! Case and point, Modern Warfare 2. I haven't seen that happen on PlayStation.

liam82517
liam82517

@DanielL5583 Or should I say fanboy? i think youll find that the ps3 has the weakest security. The only reason it didnt get hacked was because it already had linux. Once sony took that away it took 4 to 6 months and the ps3 has an open system. the xbox HAD its problems and to its credit it took care of everyone that had a failed unit to the tune of costing the company over 1 billion dollars. If thats not treating your customers well I dont know what is. Oh and burned out lasers are VERY common for the ps3. As for your do I understand technology question, what exactly are you referring too? If it is my saying the ps3 bluray player is basic Im sorry to burst your little fanboy bubble but it is! As I said it reads at 2x which is why you have to install all the games. In short I understand "technology"(how generic of you) a lot more than I suspect you do. Also unlike you I have no bias towards one system over another. I prefer the 360 simply because the controller feels better in my hand. However I can also say that the ps3 has the better exclusive games. Judging from your over posts you simply wish to point out the failings of microsoft which your not doing very well. I could have done a much better job slaging off MS than you have done.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

@liam82517 Do you understand one iota of technology? Microsoft didn't just have the RRoD problems with the XBOX, but also the disc laser which cut a ring in the disc, giving Halo the credit it sort of deserves, and not to mention its security is weaker than wet cardboard. I never heard of a single instance a PS3 was recalled due to a disc failure. Yeah, it had the YLoD, but still it wasn't as common. At least Sony look after their consumers with solid consoles.

Ex-DarkBlade
Ex-DarkBlade

@blackace, Glitchspot reviews are recently lame, only a few reviews are nice. Anyway, I don't want to keep arguing with you because this argument is fruitless so let's end this. Enjoy your day.

blackace
blackace

Ex-DarkBlade said: @blackace, so what that both games didn't live up to the hype. No matter what, both games are fun and very impressive. GT5 is a complete game and Ployphony only messed up on the online gameplay. And Ployphony fixed the online gameplay and also they made the normal cars look better with the last update. You can't say the games are a flop unless you played them yourself which you have not. ************************************************************** I never said they weren't good games. I own them both. All I said was that they flopped here on Gamespot. That was it. Just like people said Splinter Cell Conviction and Alan Wake flopped and both of those games were very good as well.

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

@Bashers79 I actually edited my post 2 minutes after I posted the comment, you obviously just checked the message you got in your PM as a notify, as that shows how the message was first received on these servers. Better not be lazy the next time you read someone's comment, learned the lesson? Here hoping so. Don't expect me to not edit comments before someone replies to them. Because I surely edited it a lot earlier than you responded to it, it's your lazyness, not my foolishness. Ooh, notice how I edited this message before you post too: Have fun, and please know that if you want someone to quit responding, the first thing to do is be quiet yourself.

Bashers79
Bashers79

@TevoxZi How about you admit your wrong, I did re-read your comment but not the one you edited to make yourself look good. You I see I've still got your orginal reply in my in box and I quote: "@Bashers79 Retailers wouldn't buy those products if they didn't sell. So saying "shipped" is almost as good as saying sold, considering that shipping is a lot easier to track." Where in that reply did you answer my question? Give it up already.

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

@Bashers79 How about you re-read my answer and you'll notice that I DID, as well, answer to your question. This is getting ridiculous.

Ex-DarkBlade
Ex-DarkBlade

@blackace, so what that both games didn't live up to the hype. No matter what, both games are fun and very impressive. GT5 is a complete game and Ployphony only messed up on the online gameplay. And Ployphony fixed the online gameplay and also they made the normal cars look better with the last update. You can't say the games are a flop unless you played them yourself which you have not.

Bashers79
Bashers79

@TevoxZi Ok, I'm going to try one last time to get through to you, then I'm giving up. I asked the question whether or not, Sony are going to call these seized consoles "shipped" and therefore attribute them to their Sales figures. You replied with some justification of why using shipped figures as sales figures is ok. That's fine, I have no problem with that, but again! that wasn't the question I asked was it. I wasn't questioning the legitimacy of Sony's sales figure calculations.

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

@Bashers79 I'm sorry, what did I post as fanboyic? I said "I think so" and explained that saying "Shipped" is almost as good as saying "sold" - as retailers wouldn't buy the products if they didn't sell well. So, I guess on your logic, it's somehow fanboyic to critize another's comment and saying what's plain obvious, it's not like SONY is the only company that uses the term shipped, rather than sold. I'm sorry, you're totally off the track here. If anything, I'm a PC fanboy. Also, the last time I checked, adults swear too, I just told you to drop it, if you honestly have nothing else to add. (Maybe I said it with the f- word, but whatever.)

blackace
blackace

@Ex-DarkBlade said: @blackace, a game is not a flop when it gets a 8.5, GT5 and Killzone 3 are awesome games which have lived up to the hype. ************************************************************* Dude, how long have you been on this site? You should know better. Any game hyped at "AAA" and only gets a "AA" score is a FLOP on Gamespot. Both GT5 and KZ3 flopped. Learn the rules. Neither game has lived up to the hype. Polyphony even apologized to their fans for releasing an unfinished GT5. You know a game has flopped when the developers come out and apologize. LOL!!

Bashers79
Bashers79

@TevoxZi Theres no need to get childish and start throwing swear words about. I asked a question and you decided to get all "fanboyish". I didn't ask for you to justify Sony using Shipping figures as sales figures, I've no problem with that. Anyway, heres hoping neither of our PS3's need replacing as it looks like there might be a shortage coming our way. Happy gaming to you.

Ex-DarkBlade
Ex-DarkBlade

@blackace, a game is not a flop when it gets a 8.5, GT5 and Killzone 3 are awesome games which have lived up to the hype.

Ex-DarkBlade
Ex-DarkBlade

@Sigil-otaku, I respect your opinion. Enjoy your day.

blackace
blackace

shentonio said: @blackace Just for info, early figure suggest that GT5 has sold about 6.7 million units worldwide. I wouldn't call that amount of sales a flop, and KZ3 has only been out a week so it's difficult to label it a flop at this early stage. Some of the other things you mention are correct (especially the piracy issues). I suspect this case will end up being settled out of ourt to minimise costs for both parties. ***************************************************************** See my comments below. The flop has nothing to do with sales figures.

blackace
blackace

@Doug-358 said: @blackace How did Killzone flopped because I haven`t heard it sales numbers? Sony will most likely appeal this and try to get PS3 flowing again in Europe ****************************************************************** It flopped on this site. It was hyped "AAA" and only scored 8.5. Sales numbers has nothing to do with the flop. [url]http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone3/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B0[/url]

Simbryo
Simbryo

Everyone just have to see: Sony cooked this themselves! As hard its to admit, LG won this fair and square. I am a MASSIVE PS2 fan, but PS3 is just failed console IMO. Unfortunately, that brings us to either a PSPortable 2, X360 or Wii as a choice in EU. But there's another factor behind the play: Eu doesn't really like gaming that much and they are happy to ban anything to do with games. I bet COD: MW3 will get MASSIVE attention in Media/law institutions when it comes out. Oh, and LG TVs are the BEST in quality/price ratio on any market, so LG haters can brag all they want. And hopefully this will teach developers to invest more time in PC as gaming platform, cause as such has MUCH MORE potential than ANY console will ever have! POWER TO PC!

Sulaymanqazi2
Sulaymanqazi2

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gameboysrule
gameboysrule

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seankkkk
seankkkk

LG is crap theyre not going to be around in the future.

cristianadamro
cristianadamro

Son of a Bieber!!! I was going to buy one, and now ...

Sigil-otaku
Sigil-otaku

@Ex-DarkBlade: You've chosen to reserve judgement and better sense and that's up to you, maybe you don't think its worth thinking about but when push comes to shove I have given many valid reasons as to why they are worse and its backed by examples and I've seen it occur on other sites like Kotaku and here so based over 3 sites, with others supporting the view (who see it from a different perspective being an editor) and examples of worse behaviour I simply cannot just stop using any sense of judgement to form a rather baseless and glanced over view of who is worse. I agree with you they are all being stupid but that alone doesn't mean they're all being the same stupid and it would be silly to say the most stupid is just as stupid. I have argued for both sides btw as I do play on PS3 and 360 so I have come into arguments with fanboys of both sides and say PS3 are the worst. I know I'll probably get a few thumbs down for having opinions that are derogatory but it's only to fanboys and not the better gamers anyway so I feel the PS3 fanboys are the worst followed by PC and 360 who are tied (could probably put 360 above PC if it had to be tallied) and then followed by Nintendo fanboys who I pretty much never hear a peep out of (hence, another reason why I'd not want to put them on the same page as PS3 fanboys).

shentonio
shentonio

@blackace Just for info, early figure suggest that GT5 has sold about 6.7 million units worldwide. I wouldn't call that amount of sales a flop, and KZ3 has only been out a week so it's difficult to label it a flop at this early stage. Some of the other things you mention are correct (especially the piracy issues). I suspect the Sony v LG case will end up being settled out of court to minimise costs for both parties.

Ex-DarkBlade
Ex-DarkBlade

@Sigil-otaku, yes the PS3 fanboys are like a stupid defense force but it doesn't mean they are worst out of all trolling fanboys. Xbox fanboys are in the same position as PS3 fanboys. Xbox fanboys love to talk trash and sound like immature kids when they facts on in front of their stupid face. Have you argued against both trolling fanboys groups? Both are stupid and may no sense when they argue. Only few fanboys are right the rest need a life.