Kojima: Metal Gear Solid 5 will have story "inconsistencies"

Series creator Hideo Kojima admits new game may have minor plot holes.

The upcoming Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain may have various story "inconsistencies," series creator Hideo Kojima told Kotaku in a new interview. Kojima explained that the game's nature as a prequel made it problematic to keep the story straight in every instance.

"I'm pretty sure that the guys at Star Wars had the same issues," Kojima told Kotaku through a translator. "When you try to write something that was supposed to be in the middle there will be some inconsistencies when you go into very small details."

Kojima did not go into specifics, but said he was not too concerned with minor plot holes while writing Metal Gear Solid V because "fun" should trump everything else in entertainment.

"The most important part is writing something that is fun, something that is impressive, something that is better than it was before," Kojima said. "So sometimes in the interest of doing this, of having a better experience, we sacrifice some consistencies in the story. I hope the fans and players understand this, but I need to write the best we can, even if there are some small discrepancies."

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain will be preceded by prologue Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, which will be released on current- and next-generation consoles for $30 in spring 2014. No release date has been announced for The Phantom Pain.

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devilscry
devilscry

ugh, please don't compare your game to the Star Wars prequels....its not filling me with hope.

jhcho2
jhcho2

@devilscry

Why? It's a very valid point, like how Amidala died at child birth in Ep III while in Ep VI, Leia said she remembered her mother being very beautiful. Kojima was just trying to point out that when you never had the backstory all thought out from the very start, plot holes start popping up.

Rayzakk
Rayzakk

Sounds like reboot time. 

doopydoogle
doopydoogle

not a good sign to be comparing yourself to the Star Wars prequels :)

LegendInMyMind
LegendInMyMind

I'm excited for this game, but replacing David Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland WAS NOT a way to "make it better than before". That's a step backwards, IMO. Maybe Hayter does a ridiculously over the top voice, but it's part of Snake's charm, honestly. He just doesn't sound right any more.

FamilySize
FamilySize

@banderegg @LegendInMyMind  That's for good reason though. Like, having Hayter voice both and be talking to eachother would be a bit weird...but I'd be fine with the guy who did voice BB in MGS4 to return but.....I can't say I can speak much further on the details since of the conspiracies that are around, my hands are tied and we can only remain skeptical on who's who and what's going on until we play it for ourselves, clearly we won't even get the gist of the depth in story until Phantom Pain, whilst GZ will only be a tease and a taste.

banderegg
banderegg

@LegendInMyMind Don't commit to anything Kojima claims until you have the game.

Hell, "Big Boss" might not even be the main character...

and if what he says is all true, who cares? No one complained when Big Boss was a different voice actor in MGS4...

Kickable
Kickable

holy shit, for once a writer admits to plotholes.  before it even comes out!

Rennik_Repotsir
Rennik_Repotsir

No worries Mr. Kojima, people don't play games for the story...

iskulaatikko
iskulaatikko

@Rennik_Repotsir  50-50. The game mechanics, tension and excitement in the game is top notch, but it wouldn't be interesting without the good story. When i played snake eater, i'd crawl around 30 minutes to watch every route of enemy guards before going to action because i felt like that's what snake would do. Because i felt like going all in shooting, or even taking the risk of being spotted wouldn't be his style. If i didn't care for the character i wouldn't think that way, and that's all thanks to a very good storyline...

tom2750
tom2750

@Rennik_Repotsir yes they do for heaps of people one of the most important aspects of a video game is its characters, atmosphere and story

el_swanno
el_swanno

It's ironic Kojima should reference the Star Wars prequels when talking about the MGS games. For the last 10 years almost all the MGS games have been the story of Big Boss's transition from hero to villain while George Lucas was taking Darth Vader in the opposite direction both thematically and artistically.

I expect MGS5 to be substantially better than any of the Star Wars prequels.

tightwad34
tightwad34

A complex, confusing story/game made by a Japanese dev. No way, I don't believe it. And just when I thought some of the confusion was getting clear with this game, it just slaps me in the face. Don't know if I should embrace it or not.

soulless4now
soulless4now

Not surprising. I remember reading an article a few years back where he admitted to getting confused with some story points. lol 

tightwad34
tightwad34

@soulless4now I just don't get why they have to make it confusing. It's not just Kojima, but most devs over there. Don't get me wrong, I loves me some Japanese games but why do they have to make them more confusing than they need to be? Maybe it's just the eccentric culture they got over there.

SavoyPrime
SavoyPrime

Kojima is talking as if the plot for the MGS series has made sense in the first place. XD

hadlee73
hadlee73

Somehow I don't think anything will be as bad as "Why did they have to burn Qui-Gon?" and "Why is the blue-glowy Anakin young?" :P

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

Don't tell people there will be plotholes or else some people will automatically hate it before they even play it!  Oh wait, people already do that.  They call themselves gamers, and they are never satisfied.

telaros
telaros

I can't even recall most details of the game. I just enjoy the playstyle and the usually creative bosses in the game.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

Yeah, fair enough. With the number of sequels, prequels and requels Hollywood pumps out these days, I've gotten used to having to justify a few inconsistencies here and there. So long as they are indeed minor, I don't foresee any problem.

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

I guess it is now too late to "fix" the plot holes. Or if they just smooth over the Retro con of the Metal Gear timeline. But would the average Joe even know?

billlabowski
billlabowski

@Megavideogamer This game is for everyone, veterans of the franchise and "average joe". So, fix the issues before you release a game. If everyone used your logic, nothing would get done. Let me guess...console gamer?

Navardo95
Navardo95

@billlabowski @Megavideogamer Yet another overly egocentric,biased and a cave dwelling PC virgin sadist who looks down at people as a human being because he owns a different gaming system...wow just wow..

I feel sorry for you...fortunately however,people like you are also never touched by girls so there isn't much of a question about you being able to breed :)

Now back to your cave and have fun pretending yourself to be something which you are not and will never be :)))

komuchen
komuchen

Don'y worry, Kojima, it's part of the course anyway! And also, you can't explain everything with nanomachines, so you will get additional points for at least coming up with something

rawkstar007
rawkstar007

While I appreciate Kojima's honesty, I don't appreciate him not doing something about it when he could have. Being this far into the development process, it's likely far too late now.

benjaslehi
benjaslehi

I don't care if the plot is full of inconsistencies or holes, as long as it's a MGS game it's going to be good. Let's give Kojima a break, I appreciate that he wants to keep the story and plots from all the games in the series as a whole, but just how much of Big Boss's story can he write up? I think it has come to the point where Big Boss story almost catch up with the first Metal Gear game. 

I like having the plot of all the games connected, but I wouldn't care if the next MGS didn't had anything to do with the story, maybe if he made another game with Solid Snake in a different time period from MGS1 or 2, or maybe in the same time period but with a different story. What I like most is the main character and the gameplay, I've seen a great story already, anything new is a bonus for me.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

The difference between MGS and Star Wars is that MGS is usually well writen.

You can't use Star Wars as an excuse -- saying it is OK because Star Wars did it is like saying it's OK to be shit, because shit is popular.

tweeterwalsh
tweeterwalsh

Welcome to every Metal Gear game since Metal Gear Solid. 

ANUBISZER0
ANUBISZER0

Plot holes and inconsistencies get explained in another installment. Koj is gonna get that money!

LE5LO
LE5LO

@YouEnjoyMyFluff Metal Gear Solid on the Playstation would easily be my pick of the bunch, if you're a newcomer you can't go wrong starting with the first game on PS1 (or PSN these days), it's still an absolute classic for gameplay and story. 3 is the fan favourite, but it owes too much to the original to be considered as influential or important as the original on the first PlayStation. Overall it's definitely a series worth checking out though and starting with the original. (Unless you want to count Metal Gear '87 on the MSX2?).

VoidSECT
VoidSECT

The thing is, Kojima is obsessed with details, this is not the first time he say stuff like this, when things don't seamless fall into place he feels like he have to explain himself for his fanbase. In the end it will be only some minor inconsistances that every MGS game has.

YouEnjoyMyFluff
YouEnjoyMyFluff

SO basically, this game's story is going to be pretty bad.  worried already

yeah_28
yeah_28

This attitude is admirable, many more devs should apply this, not only to story, but to other things as well.

No past mistake or regret should limit the potential of your new game.

darkhisham
darkhisham

How can they sacrifice story for fun on a series where half the game is cutscenes? TLOZ can barely pull it off and it's designed to not care about consistency.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Um Kojima, I'm not sure how to tell you this....but your entire series has story inconsistencies.  It barely makes sense.

juboner
juboner

@Thanatos2k kinda like the zelda historia book, they try hard to make sense out of something that never made much in the first place. And its obvious while reading it.

Maxx_the_Slash
Maxx_the_Slash

"I'm pretty sure that the guys at STAR WARS had the same issues"

Nobody works for a movie. They work for a studio that makes the movie. Star Wars is the name of a movie, not a studio.

What if I went around saying "I'm looking for a job in the gaming industry, are the guys at Super Mario Bros. hiring?" That sounds stupid.