Kinect 2 bundled with next Xbox?

Eurogamer sources say new motion-capture peripheral will be able to read lips, come packed in with both core and casual-targeted versions of new console hardware.

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Source: A Eurogamer article sporting the headline claim, "Kinect 2 so accurate it can lip read," and a GamesIndustry.biz story penned by the director of consultancy firm Digital Foundry.

What we heard: The reports contain a few interesting pieces of information attributed to development sources, starting with the notion that the next-gen version of the Kinect--dubbed Kinect 2 by Eurogamer--will come with Microsoft's Xbox 360 successor and be able to read lips. The camera will also be able to assess a player's emotional state and determine which direction he or she is facing, according to the report.

What can we expect from Kinect's next of kin?

The GamesIndustry.biz story also cites an unspecified source with word that the Kinect "is set for a significant upgrade and has a very strong likelihood of ending up bundled with the machine." The story goes on to say that "it's also believed" Microsoft will offer two versions of the hardware at launch: one stripped-down box for the casual market (with a likely emphasis on the Kinect and streaming services like Netflix) and another for core gamers with supposedly extraneous features like an optical disc drive, a hard drive, and backward compatibility.

A new Kinect for the next Xbox should be all but assumed at this point. Microsoft has been placing an emphasis on the peripheral and the casual market it taps into since its launch last year. The software giant is also clearly working on improving the technology behind the Kinect, as evidenced by the upcoming PC version of the hardware, which will be able to keep track of objects just a few feet from the camera.

As for whether or not this new camera would be "so accurate it can lip read," that's a significantly larger leap. Much like voice recognition, the problem of identifying something as subtle and analog as mouth movements and converting them into actual words isn't simply a matter of throwing more hardware power or a higher-resolution camera at the problem. It will also require a number of software hurdles to be cleared. The new Kinect camera may well have a resolution high enough to identify lip movements, but whether it will result in any actual incorporation of lip reading into the console experience is a different matter entirely.

The notion of a two-tiered setup for the next Xbox hardware is likewise uncontroversial, as it's fast becoming an industry standard. The Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have been offered in multiple SKUs for their entire life spans, and the PS Vita will hit stores in multiple configurations as well. There's considerably more obfuscation as to how those tiers would be set up, and whether or not Microsoft would be willing to completely hobble its casual offering to hit a mass market price point right out of the gate.

The official word: As of press time, Microsoft had not responded to GameSpot's request for comment.

Bogus or not bogus: Not bogus that there will be a Kinect hardware upgrade and multiple SKUs for the next Xbox, but the claims of lip reading and specifics of the SKUs are a bit shakier.

Discussion

144 comments
snakes3425
snakes3425

What can we expect from Kinect II: SkyNET 360

DiscGuru101
DiscGuru101

It will be bizarre if one version of the next Xbox is NOT backwards compatible.

charlieboomboom
charlieboomboom

pls quit kinnect, just make the pest preformance console in grapics and sound..

zaiwen
zaiwen

now that's NECT gen!!!!

00J
00J

It's not about not wanting to move, well actually it is. Well it's actually about not wanting this garbage at all, i never liked any of the light gun shooters in the arcades when they existed and i don't care for it now, they are simple shallow games, limited by their design limits... Kinect is just an extension of FPS which was a simplification of more complex games... That's why we see so few Skyrims and StarCrafts today, because we're smothered with all the FPS shooters... Not that FPS's are bad they've gotten better an better, but one thing leads to another, in FPS's case it was 90% of the industry making linear FPS games...

wyan_
wyan_

@Phatjam98 I am also lulz at the hateful kids. They can't make a boxing sim with the current hardware though. 30fps is too slow for fighting. It better be at least 60 with the new one.

Hardstyler2012
Hardstyler2012

haha so glad i didn't buy in to this kinect bullsh*t!

20years
20years

don't care about kinect 1 or 2 or any motion controller the important thing is that the games for next xbox should be on blu-ray or the canceled HD DVD or even a better optical disk

Dazler1
Dazler1

When Kinect was first introduced i was so excited and couldnt believe what i was seeing and bought into the hype. But I didnt go out and buy one like i thought i would and decided to see how it really works once it was released and what kind of games it would support. Not one thing i was expecting from seeing the first milow trailer scanning a piece of paper and having a converstaion with the user, or the core gamer being considered has happend either. Its an advanced form of the wii and has lag which was the biggest put off for me. I played the playstation move and to me seemed more appealing as had more presition to it but i own an xbox and didnt wanna buy a ps3 unless the pstation move blew me away with game content. all games are nintendo style games. Theres no point unless it functions as you would expect it to with the idea its advertising. I hope they do bring out a new one cos the one available at the moment is a great idea but dosnt live up to the hype. The games line up are all aimed at families and kids and although i might have 5 min of fun at christmas it aint gonna last. I love the fact of the dashboard and speech recognition which will take effect as of december this year with the new update, but is it really worth over £100! When they perfect it and its so good that it works with hard core gaming such as throwing a grenade or when i move my arms it does it in actual real time and not have that lag! then ill buy one but until then whats the point!

derek_brown
derek_brown

@danielmbg dude i bought my xbox elite on 2009.............and kinect (CRAP) on 2011 so i think its too fast for kinect not the new xbox........i want the new xbox cuz my one is getting old :( and i had a region code on skyrim FML.......

1waddon1
1waddon1

I hate the dpad they need to change that leave the analog sticks there awesome the ps3 controller is too small for my hands that is why I like them far apart.

Phatjam98
Phatjam98

LOL you kids are hilarious.... Get over your hatred of moving, eat less chips and drink less soda.

punkdsk8erdude
punkdsk8erdude

i hope that if they offer multiple configurations, one is cheaper but includes everything minus kinect, and the other one offers kinect. The only thing I am weary of is "another for core gamers with supposedly extraneous features like an optical disc drive, a hard drive, and backward compatibility." I feel like everything mentioned in that statement as 'extraneous features' should be included in every iteration of the system. since when is the disc drive an extraneous feature? LOL and the harddrive! so if there was an xbox version released with no disc drive (so it can't play games...that alone...think about it...) and with no harddrive to download XBLA games to, then what good is it? I'll just wait and see. Kinect is an interesting idea & the Kinect 2 sounds very good in theory, but i'm still not ready for it. I'd rather still have the option of buying the next xbox without it.

Vodoo
Vodoo

If they upgrade Kinect, which will most likely be through software, they should do a firmware upgrade to the og Kinect. They should want people to know of its capabilities first if they want them to buy it in the next console and so people don't have to buy it twice. So far I feel I wasted $150 on it. Second, they need to put certain hardware configurations in all their sku's, like a hard drive. And this article says that the better version of the console will come with a disc drive? And what... the casual version can't play discs but only XBLA games? That bs.

mjajiyani
mjajiyani

long time to next xbox Do not wait for next Xbox at least until 2014

Phazevariance
Phazevariance

Will they take my kinect back and upgrade it for free? Wasted money on the 'gimped' version.

Drakkengoth
Drakkengoth

Can i get it cheaper without kinect? that'd b wonderful

sensei_hEnRY
sensei_hEnRY

new xbox with kinect 2 as standard package equal massive amount of money. I'm sorry but i prefer two controllers, standard hdmi cable or large hdd over kinect

Atheosis
Atheosis

No. Absolutely not. I will not buy it if this happens. Period.

HaloPimp978
HaloPimp978

It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is true. I think it will be built in into the next console in someway.

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

The problem with a standard low model is that it will come with very little like the arcade model out now. Want a HDD ONLY FROM MICROSOFT... its going to cost you $$$$ want wifi with that .... thats more $$$$$ ... oh you want a memory card.... $$$$

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

I am somewhat supprised that they are not yelling the upgrade to Kinect from the rooftops to try to get people to think that they tough of the idea and that Sony's new TOF camera is just a copy. (even though Sony had Eyetoy over 10 years ago!!) Still, for those who just bought a Kinect oh this will not work with new Xbox.. but I just paid ....

Kaeban
Kaeban

Not a kinect fan, still, i like reading news from the new console...I wonder what the games would look like in that machine.

COLDFIRE25
COLDFIRE25

@slicedbread117 If they launch Halo4 with the new system that will most likely be $800+ then Halo4 will be a flop. Halo5 with new system.

rarson
rarson

There's little doubt in my mind that the next Xbox will include the next Kinect in every box. Microsoft wants people to use it. Packing it in means both developers and consumers have access to the hardware. It also helps separate the Xbox from its competition. Despite my reservations about its use as a game controller, I see a lot of potential in the technology for use in set-top boxes. My bigger concern is with the current 360 controller. The concave analog sticks and d-pad need to be addressed. I'd also like them switched as they are on the PS3 controller. I'd also like a port with lower latency than USB, please. Maybe then Rocksmith wouldn't have noticeable lag.

rarson
rarson

"The software giant is also clearly working on improving the technology behind the Kinect, as evidenced by the upcoming PC version of the hardware, which will be able to keep track of objects just a few feet from the camera." That's nothing but a firmware update. All they're doing is calibrating the hardware that's already in there to focus on objects that are much closer to the camera. It has nothing to do with improving the hardware, which is what this is talking about.

professorXzaver
professorXzaver

and if it is backwards compatible, then some games might look even better. Imagine playing Skyrim, or Batman with a further view distance, and sharper image detail :)

slicedbread117
slicedbread117

Launch Halo 4 with the next Xbox and it'll sell millions. Excited for both :D

USSR-Hitman
USSR-Hitman

"599 US DOLLARS.... 599 US DOLLARS!!" Hope that doesn't come around again lol

unDeny
unDeny

The 2 models for 'neXtBox' could (should..) imo be:- i) A standard/low-spec model including at least the following: [1] A light HDD (250??) or maybe NONE at all -- instead using cloud-storage service you can purchase 1-time only & upgrade. [2] HAS to have an optical drive regardless. [3] NO 'Kin2ct' (hopefully will save us the cash...providing they'd care that is!). [4] SAME general performance specs of all systems in this new iteration. [5] Flexibility to XBL Gold Multiplayer 'alternatives'.. i.e game-by-game multiplayer subscription & access to game content w/o stuff like TV/Netflix/Facebook/YouTube/INTERNET-MEDIA whatsoever. Heck, I'd go for a 1 time only if I could myself..like if online-multiplayer (FULL) game versions were sold at current market prices. And cheaper offline multiplayer (or NONE!.. where appropriate) versions sold for maybe min: ~$10 less? ii) AND, of course the standard (soon to be ousted..) flagship/elite model.. That frankly should have EVERYTHING & more 8D! Ah well, one can only dream amidst the dry mists of digital frustration..

GamerLegend10
GamerLegend10

I will only use motion controls once they have significantly improved and are able to be used with most core games. Even then i may just stick with the good old controller. PS. i hope they take their time making the next consoles, no rushing and no cheap hardware. I dont mind paying more if its good quality.

Jshaw71
Jshaw71

Hmmm, that's interesting, but what will the price point be, that's what i would like to know, as far as the backwards comp, will that be software, of hardware based backwards comp, would be something i would love to know, but that's just me, thanks for the news

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

I rather have the option of a "Kinect 2 less" SKU. I just want Xbox 3 a controller. (Pack in game would be nice but that will not happen at a new hareware launch)

sonicare
sonicare

I have a friend who is deaf that can read lips. Always impressed me. She could make out every word I said even though she can hear nothing. Dont know how well a peripheral could, but I guess it's possible.

BlackWaltz_No_3
BlackWaltz_No_3

Kinect 2? I haven't even gotten the most out of my Kinect yet. It only gets played during parties. I think I'll pass on this if it hits the next console.

daabulls23
daabulls23

That's cool, as long as there is a separate, console-only package. Unless it's integrated into the Xbox itself. But who knows how much that would cost.

steveguttenberg
steveguttenberg

Motion control is a nice idea. I think someday it'll be great, but it looks like current technology can't handle the games we actually want to play right now.

Forcecaster
Forcecaster

@CreayBsD Because if it can read lips, then the tech is open for a bigger audience. Think about those, who are unable to communicate trough words.

pszone
pszone

No one wants another for next xbox. 1 The games dont sell on Kinect and i belive move wont be around either since there games did flop this year. So i dont think pp want Kinect 2 because wont work. How about a build in one for next xbox to use it for movies and games and so on. It will be better than reasle it single.

danielmbg
danielmbg

@derek_brown Fast? Xbox 360 was released in 2005, it has 6 years already, and till next year it will complete 7 years, what I think it's too much for a videogame. Kinect will complete two years, what it's okay, since it's not very expensive and it has only 1 cool game. And at least I will wait 1 year to buy it, since Microsoft systems always come with problems. I just hope this time they make more cool games for the kinect, and they don't do like nintendo and keep the core games.

unDeny
unDeny

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unDeny

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derek_brown
derek_brown

this is mad!!!!!!.......everything gets old so fast :(......i cant catch up..........we not all so RICH...........

RBwd
RBwd

i want a new xbox. increased performance is always good and game developers will be forced to make drastic improvements, cough, cough activision. im not that bothered about kinect until the game variety and quality gets better. kinect is a good idea, i got it with my slim but have barely used it. you cant beat sitting down and playing with a controller imo

DarkRupert
DarkRupert

@hornet85 i disagree with you, yes there is a market for it, but its only thriving because consoles are the same old technology, with same level of performance. if consoles were 3-4 times better then what they are, then companies like activision will be foreced to write a new engine for new games, else they will have worst quality game out. bf3 was nerved due to consoles, as was crysis 2. im not saying motion sense is gona fail, i just think it wouldnt be such a big hit if consoles had more performance. on side note, i want one of these if it is accurate as claimed AND can sense further, then i would love to write my own Martial arts program. Meant for training and not playing, to get perfect consistency over multiple styles. imagine having a perfect score/measuring system, for various different types of martial arts(for those that enjoy martial arts of course).

mer1in79
mer1in79

@wormkid_64 your right that kinect doesn't have any decent games but Kinect 2 is for the new xbox not this one i think even for money grabbing microsoft that would be too much. As CreayBsD say whats the point of lip syncing when it all ready has voice recognition and how would it work anyway when standing sideways or facing backwards seems like added cost for no real gain to me.

mer1in79
mer1in79

xcollector Posted Nov 29, 2011 1:24 am GMT "Did you read this part ? "...extraneous features like an optical disc drive..." When did the DVD drive become optional? The industry really wants to kill off hard media. Cartridges were too expensive so they move to optical discs and now they want only downloads but the games don't get cheaper." When you go on xbox live games on demand and it's still £40+ to buy Black Ops then it's a joke i don't want to have to Download my Games i love the ritual of unpacking my disc getting that new game smell having a flick through the instructions (which more companies are not bothering with) and then putting the disc in and sitting back to enjoy i don't want to wait hours to download it first, look at Rage 20+ gig now where i live and with my internet provider it would take days to download fill up space on my hard-drive then when i'm done with what then delete it i can't trade it in or sell it or even take it round a mates house for the night no thanks.

warhawk-geeby
warhawk-geeby

All I keep thinking of is project Natal and how stupidly fake that was.. Until I see this emotional measuring, lip-reading, coffee making, ass wiping piece of a kit I ain't convinced. Bring some good games to back it up and fair enough, but dance games and sports are NOT what Natal showed us :(