Just Cause 2 developer's Wii U dev kits are 'collecting dust'

Avalanche Studios may not focus on Nintendo's new console until it gets a higher user base.

Avalanche Studios, the team behind the Just Cause games, said that they may not focus on developing games for the Wii U.

Unless the Wii U's user base expands, we may not see a Just Cause 3 on the system.

Avalanche founder Christofer Sundberg said on Pressfire (via Escapist) that the Wii U's user base wasn't big enough to justify investing the company's time on Nintendo's console. "We actually had some development kits that just collected dust. It's a bit sad, because we wanted to do something. I think it is a cool platform, but right now it's not just up to us. We want the game to reach as many as possible."

He also added that he and his team had trouble communicating with Nintendo, saying that the company had always been difficult to reach. "You never quite know who to contact."

Avalanche Studios isn't the only developer expressing concerns for the console. DICE said that its Frostbite 3 engine did not produce promising results on the Wii U.

Got a news tip or want to contact us directly? Email news@gamespot.com

Did you enjoy this article?

Sign In to Upvote

462 comments
spindie
spindie

They just need to go through their photo albums of the days when the snes was a hit, cry in happiness about all their good times.. Than after that just get out of the console market and do everyone a favor

songoku0206
songoku0206

Can we please just kill the Wii-U and Nintendo need to go back to the drawing board and for once think about the gamers and not themselves.

AMG
AMG

"We actually had some development kits that just collected dust."

At least they're being honest.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

Wow Nintendo are really getting hit from all directions.

Such a catch 22. Can't sell games, and can't get new ones because they won't make them until they sell more games.

I do feel sorry for Nintendo but I do also think that they are wasting time. If anyone has the ability to pick themselves up out of a rut it is Nintendo, they just need to get the balls to make the move.


kreegan64
kreegan64

 One would think that 3rd party devs would rush to get games out before Ninty starts releasing their own titles, since once those are out they would be lucky to sell period. And I don't mean enhanced ports, casual, and shovelware. I mean titles that they actually gave two s#í+$ about that are either exclusive, possibly new ips or the clearly definitive versions (meaning adding marginally better graphics, costumes, and tablet controls don't make the cut) of other <i>versions</i> (not half-year late ports). Ever since the N64 days most 3rd party games were sometimes good, but no where near the quality of 1st and 2nd party games, and so thet sold less, and the same could be said for most GCN 3rd party games, and ALL Wii 3rd party games. Make a game that's B quality, don't be surprised to see it be out done 1st and 2nd party games that are A quality, and certainly don't expect people to buy a system that has no A games before you try to make quality games for it and expect to see results. That's like saying I'll only water a flower seed if it grows substantially and then sitting there surprised that your watering can is getting dust.

steve4123456789
steve4123456789

Just cause is shit. What he means to say is theres not enough money for him.

javalino
javalino

Maybe they will launch " from dust 2" !!!

91210user
91210user

This isn't not good because dust in any electrical device can lead to slow downs and even electronic failure's and can even over heat computer components which can lead to them being replaced.

That statement isn't funny if the term 'collecting dust' has those marks closing in on the term. I've lost alot of computers graphic cards because of dust and there a reason why CPU's have fans on them, when they could of been cleared out and I do think it's a bit of a shame that some development kits are collecting dusts because that's threatening to the machines!

and it's nice to know that the founders are a bit sad about it, just do something about preventing dusts on devices!, That's all!

franzito
franzito

Not waiting for a Just Cause or whatever is coming for Wii U.

corrus
corrus

Happy to see that not all Nintendo fans are blind and that some of them start to understand what scumbags are Nintendo

JumpyLuweegee
JumpyLuweegee

Soon Nintendo will be a failing 3rd party developer and Activision will wipe them off the face of the Earth. 

Vodoo
Vodoo

Honesty! At last there's someone being honest about why they're skipping on the Wii U.

alrepairs
alrepairs

Dice's comment has nothing to do with Avalanche's.  Avalanche expresses interest in the developmental process (Hardware), Dice does not.  Poor journalism / troll favoritism at its' finest.

blaze_boy30
blaze_boy30

Devs won't make games for the Wii U because the User base is small. The user base doesn't grow because there aren't enough good games. What we have here is a catch 22.

N34Li0
N34Li0

I'm confused, why does this company keep getting press like this? They haven't even made that many games even though Just Cause 2 was incredibly fun. 

FullMonty1394
FullMonty1394

" GUYS I have a fantastic idea on how to increase the WiiU user base! let's not capitalize on the lack of Nitnendo titles and get a foot hold on the system and simultaneously building a larger user base with games. Let's just not use it!"


"...that is fucking brilliant Jim. You get a raise."

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

The stupifying thing is Nintendo has tons of money in the bank, yet they refuse to spend it to ensure any third party exclusive games.  You know, ones that might give people some reason to purchase your flailing system?

The mismanagement is staggering.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@songoku0206 
They either would need to make a home console with some balls..
(Which would be a very bad business move right now at this moment..seeing as they sold a few of the Wii U things and would cease support for it to move onto it's big brother.)
Our stop making home consoles and develop games for Xbox and make peripherals/controllers etc. for use with it...
(Which they kind of can't do for atleast another 3 years due to the Wii U's death stench lingering in a couple hundred thousand homes.
Also, Sony wouldn't let Nintendo touch anything of theirs, Nintendo pissing off Sony in the early 90's is the reason we have Playstion today.)

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@kreegan64 the problem is, that the tech is inferior, the demographics are different and nintendo products are poorly positioned. Using your own example the reason why third party support was dried on that generation was that everyone wanted to go CD and nintendo pretty much made its N64 obsolete out the box. Read squaresoft's (now square enix) press statements of that era when they moved to sony and you get a feel of what was happening.

as for the now, Nintendo is difficult to deal with from the developer's point of view to begin with. Now add the fact that a game you make for sony and microsoft, you have to add more to the cost of development for it being modified to nintendo's hardware. Why on god's green earth would you add to the cost of development on hardware that you feel won't intrinsically reach your target audience.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@racerxgundam I and others I knew actually wanted a N64...and owned them...
This thing? no thanks...lol

(The N64 other than it's media standard, cartridge. was top notch stuff hardware wise back in the day...Why did Nintendo do a 180º turn around on their hardware standpoint?)

NinSegado >_<

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

oh wait a min..this is a wii u article from 2013? i couldn't tell.

alrepairs
alrepairs

@Vodoo In know, instead of shuttered excuses.

My Wii U isn't doing so great...I think,

Once I find out where it is located.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@Strider8009 Gamecube had third party support...
N64 did not..because Nintendo did not want other companies making games for their console because they feared the games would be subpar...

Now Nintendo is asking for third party support, Those that were shunned turned their noses up already and moved on, and those that would/could wont because  this thing is going to die a slow painful death... like E-AIDS....
Careful, you might catch it if you put your dev kit in...

corrus
corrus

@Strider8009 HAHAHAHAHA you're funny Sony give money that's why they have and first party and third party games Nintendo only thinking for their asses that's why they make junk and sell them expensive 

silvergol
silvergol

@Strider8009 Why use Gamecube example?

Gamecube did have a decent 3rd games support!

But most obviously! GBA,DS did have tons and tons more support, ever!

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Strider8009 

But they do care about third party support with the Wii U, there have been multiple articles about how Miyamoto has been going out to other developers to assist them in bringing the games to the console (since it's new architecture). They've been pushing more published games out as well as giving attention to major 3rd party games.  

While what you said about Sony is true, thing is is that that only started happening about 3 years after the PS3 came out.  

I do agree those that Nintendo needs to push more for strong 3rd party support, they're on the right track right now but they can do better.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@Thanatos2k So in other words you're saying They'd actually pay companies to make games for their system and not just let the third parties making games for them just collect royalties like everyone else?

"Ok. we'll pay you X ammount that you would make per game if they actually sold, so no risk to you..."

I'm one for a gamble on occasion... But if it gets to that point? think it's time for Nintendo to Fold em' .

(As for ANY GTA game on a Nintendo console, Even if RockStar wanted to make it, it wouldn't happen...The Big "N" would say heck no!...Too Violent!
Lucky they leave CapCom make Resident Evil for their systems..)

xolivierx
xolivierx

@Thanatos2k A system not getting the new Grand Theft Auto, is not a system worth having.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@minty_cbo @racerxgundam i actually like the N64 truth be told. it kind of deserved a better fate. i see a parallel with that system and the dreamcast. On the one hand wildly innovative, yet stubbornly inflexible. But no one can deny that the slide that NOA began a terrible slide about 1/3 into that system's cycle

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@corrus @Strider8009 Nointendo is no longer doing "press conferences" especially at E3...

Gamecube had third party support..Wii U doesn't...no one wants to touch it..because they cannot make one game and make a couple million copies of it to sell, because not many people even own this system.

As for Corrus' comment, Sony lost atleast $18 per PS3 sold due to hardware/manufacturing costs, they made that up in game sales ...
Imagine that though? the millions of ps3's sold? at an average $18 per unit lost? damn.
(Infact, this quarter was the first time Sony has made any money in the past 5 years...and it was their cell phone's market that caused that to happen surprisingly!)

Nintendo will probably drop from designing consoles...other than handheld anyways..that's where they been making their bank at..
Would be funny to see Mario on a Xbox... or a Wii nunchuck in use with Xbox... Sony will have no part of a nintendo title on their console..(Seeing as Nintendo pissing off Sony is the reason Sony even got into the gaming business to begin with!)

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@abHS4L88 @Strider8009 The company has tons of money, yet refuses to secure exclusive third party titles.

Miyamoto thinks he can get support just by talking?

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@minty_cbo @Thanatos2k You're acting like this isn't already how things work, and how console makers including Nintendo have done business for decades.

If there is no reason to buy your console - shock! People won't buy your console.

txFrank81
txFrank81

@xolivierx - Yes because you speak for every individual in the gaming community.

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@minty_cbo @racerxgundam To me...at the time...the loss of square enix was epic. And their comments were an indictment, especially at a time when there was alot of loyalty between development, publishing, and hardware in the Japanese market.

Their lack of support and verbalizing their displeasure with format opened the floodgates. I do remember that comment btw. Had nintendo at least maintained that relationship..it would have been at least a symbolic win.

Nowadays square enix isn't the same as it once were, and they don't hold the same clout as they did, but i do believe that other companies (konami, Capcom, etc etc) saw that as a definite sign of the times.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@racerxgundam @minty_cbo I loved my N64...got it on release with Mortal Kombat Trilogy... I'd play it again today. (My playstation sat second to my N64)

As I stated, the problem with it was lack of Optical drive, and Nintendo's hatred of Third Party support.
(That and they went overly cute with their games)

It's risc processor and gpu was superior to that of the PS1's. Even the RAM memory in the N64 was insane at the time. (Used RAMBUS RAM. was expensive and high end back then)
It's just it is kind of hard to make a game when the max memory on your storage medium is 64MB and the more MB's used, the more expensive the cartridge. Where as a CDROM can hold between 650MB - 800MB.
CDROM media is dirt cheap..compare that to the flash ROM used in the N64's cartridges...
(Square Enix even made a  pun in an Gaming magazine Ad towards Nintendo saying it would take 50 cartidges to make Final Fantasy 7 for N64)

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@alrepairs @silvergol @minty_cbo @racerxgundam
From my point of view? I see it as, they looked at their money spending venture with the N64 and Silicon Graphics inc. (SGI) and how they went crazy out of this world tech...and they didn't do as good as they thought they would...
(Had they used an optical media format aka CDROM, not cartridge, and left in more third party support..N64 would have rocked balls.) 

Since N64, We haven't seen Nintendo go insane on their home consoles...

Which in the end leaves me with -
If it's enough power to make a Mario/Zelda/Kirby/Yoshi/Metroid/Donkey Kong/Pokemon/etc nintendo game..it's all WE (Nintendo) need.

(they don't like third party support, and they fear piracy... hence the N64 was a cart based system and not optical...and shot itself in the knees...)




minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@silvergol @JumpyLuweegee 
And side note less about how bad the Wii U sucks...
Diablo 3 is horribad....just saying/warning owners of PS3 that have yet to play the PC version..save your cash...

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@silvergol @minty_cbo @JumpyLuweegee 

And after that, They'll finally release an Expansion for Diablo 3....
Diablo 3 : God of Thunder
Starring Pikachu as a playable character class....
And add in pokeballs as part of the junk to find as quest items / sell in the real money auction house...etc

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@abHS4L88 @Thanatos2k @Strider8009 Uh yeah, that's how it works.  You give them money, and they give you an exclusivity contract.  Has been that way for years.  Nintendo's done it countless times.

Nintendo is too stupid or cheap to do this, in order to give people a reason to buy their console.  As such, no one buys their console.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Thanatos2k@Strider8009 

And what do you think is very likely to happen if Nintendo does that? 3rd party publishers will most likely take advantage of that, threatening to not bring their games to the console unless Nintendo forks over some money, do you honestly think Nintendo wants to place themselves in that situation? 

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@minty_cbo @Thanatos2k There's a reason Sony and Microsoft sold their consoles at a loss - because sometimes you gotta spend money to make money.

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

@Thanatos2k @minty_cbo Game Developers make money from games through sales of their games in Royalties..not from companies paying them to just make a game..they only get paid if it sells... just like a music CD (Remember those things?)  You make media, promote it, if it sells, you get paid a Percentage of the games sales profit.
In other words.. Not a lot of Wii U's out there in people's homes... why would we want to invest our time/money to make/port games for Wii U when no one even owns A Wii U to buy it for to begin with?
Flogging a Dead Horse.

xolivierx
xolivierx

@txFrank81 @xolivierx well, GTA is a well known franchise and it's been known for jumping platforms. If a console is not getting a simple title like GTA(which is the exact kind of game that would move a console / increase a console's sales), why bother with that doomed console? But hey, you've got ZombiU to play with, right? At least until they finally announce a date with video footage of Zelda and Mario. But then again if you are interested in other kind of titles, owning a WiiU leaves you with no option but to have a Playstation, Xbox, or a PC for all that gaming craving for the WiiU simply can't ''hit the spot''.