Is Xbox One only interested in twentysomething males?

Microsoft's all-inclusive Xbox felt like it was laser-focused on appealing to only one particular set of tastes.

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After almost eight years of the Xbox 360, Microsoft has announced the next-generation successor: Xbox One. The worlds of gaming and technology have changed much since 2005, but the hour-long unveiling showed that its enduring target demographic of the twentysomething male is very much the beating heart of Xbox One's future.

Microsoft wheeled out its familiar procession of executives, with smart hair and suits as slick as the hardware itself, who wore their cheshire cat grins and dropped a familiar string of platitudes and praise about the boundless possibilities of the upcoming console. The games were big and important, but boring and typical: Forza Motorsport, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden, NBA Live, and UFC. Quantum Break was the outlier, a new IP with its roots in mystery and sci-fi. But the overall message felt clear and obvious: this is a big boy's toy designed for sports, television, and Call of Duty.

It's a real shame that Microsoft didn't have the inclination to promote a more diverse vision of gaming and, by its self-defined extension, entertainment. If Microsoft was preaching anything today, it was that core gaming can co-exist as part of a broader entertainment device. Of course it can, and Microsoft is right to invest so much in showing that. Yet it's just a galling, painful shame that it felt a need to laser-focus such breadth into that ever-present, perpetually weary stereotypical vision of a core (read: likely male) gamer.

Maybe things will be different when Microsoft exhibits its self-hyped software catalogue at E3 in June, but from today's announcement alone I couldn't possibly see my girlfriend, younger siblings, or parents getting anything out of the Xbox One. It just didn't feel like a console (device?) designed with them in mind. But never mind that, here's some inane marketing chatter about how Call of Duty: Ghosts is going to have better mantling.

Microsoft is not foolish, of course: it's seen the sales numbers for Kinect software. Despite its frequent boasts about the uptake of the peripheral, it knows that the all-singing, all-dancing family market it has been so busy courting in previous years is in no rush to buy more copies of Dance Central and Kinect Sports, and that the average Halo fan is far more agreeable when it comes to parting with a few hundred dollars in time for Christmas. But Microsoft also looks desperate to be taken seriously outside of the games industry--hence the creation of its own bespoke entertainment division now headed up by a live-action Halo series--and I can't help but think embracing a richer, more diverse lineup would have allowed the publisher to make real strides towards that goal at a cost much less than what's written on Spielberg's cheque.

It's worth remembering, of course, that Sony was virtually the same when it announced the PlayStation 4 back in February, focusing on those same tried-and-true archetypes in its attempt to snag its core audience. And Sony's decision to invite a grand total of zero women to its stage was a particularly poor show, but at least it tried to show off Knack and The Witness.

The question remains whether Microsoft is even aware of its restrictive attitude. The reality of the content behind the Xbox One announcement fundamentally clashes with shots of beaming mouthpiece Major Nelson interlocking arms with his co-host before blasting into a tiresome montage showing a group of diverse, multicultural Xbox lovers and developers talking about how the brand makes them feel alive. Based on what was shown over the next 60 minutes, however, Microsoft's montage should have been a sports bar full of dudes all shouting the names of their favourite football teams, MMA fighters, and Call of Duty weapons.

These days, Microsoft is trying to appeal to the masses. But what Microsoft has always failed to properly grasp from Steve Jobs' legacy, despite years of ardent emulation, is that mass appeal is more than simple numbers. When Jobs sat down in a comfy armchair and wistfully flicked through a photo album on an iPad, everyone in the world could relate. Call of Duty's eye-watering sales numbers fail to cross such generational borders.

It gets worse as Microsoft tries harder to bleed this all-encompassing vision of entertainment into the Xbox One. When Jobs stood clutching an iPod and waxed lyrical of his fondness for Dylan and The Beatles, his personal connection to the music felt like it was enhanced by the technology. When a Microsoft executive stands on stage and barks a fondness for Game of Thrones, it feels like it was coldly spouted by a demographic-analysing computer algorithm. It's depressing to watch, and eerily reminiscent of those childhood moments when out-of-touch adults did their best to awkwardly relate to your interests.

I don't think it's any real secret that Microsoft has always envisioned Xbox as its trojan horse of the living room, and the Xbox One represents the company's most significant assault on the space under your telly to date. Focusing on affluent twentysomething males is likely another tactic in this strategy: win over a passionate core demographic at the start and the rest will follow. And, yes, perhaps that is the case: I will almost certainly buy one at launch, at least. But for all of Microsoft's use of the word "entertainment," the corporation fails to understand that the greatest power of entertainment is its wonderful ability to collate and unify. Sport, books, movies, TV, and games are at their best when they are bringing everyone together, and Microsoft's bold statement of intent about the very future of entertainment, in its current form, feels just as likely to alienate. The next Xbox needs to appeal to All rather than One.

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Kaustic_USMC
Kaustic_USMC

Correction: Targeting the sports and racing game fanbase means they're targeting JOCKS, not "big boys." A great majority of that crowd are either highschool kids or guys who have yet to grow out of their highschool mentality - far from what I would call "big boys". 

And the bit about Sony having no female spokespeople in their lineup? Really? This entire article feels like you're just an XBox fanboy desperately trying to defend your shameless and disgraceful masters after they've so thoroughly humiliated themselves and alienated their customers. 

"I will almost certainly buy one at launch, at least." << And there it is. 

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

Why did you bother writing this trash? You have absolutely no information to even write an article on other than an opinion piece, not a FEATURE. Seriously what journalism school did you people go to? If this was Scripps you'd have been kicked out. I only worked for a news magazine for 3 years and I know better than that, I wasn't even a staff writer. This was a console reveal event, not E3. They did not reveal a diversity of games because this is E3 and they only had two hours. On top of that, because the games aren't ready. Undoubtedly Quantum Break isn't even finished, much less being tested yet.

SavoyPrime
SavoyPrime

"I will almost certainly buy one at launch, at least." And that there lies the problem. MS knows that despite all the negativity surrounding the console, people will still run out and buy it. Which is all they care about. *sigh*

Iddhi
Iddhi

I really don't get who MS think they're marketing this to.

Since the PS1, I've mostly been a PC gamer. I owned a PS2 mostly for the GTA games. I bought a 360 only because it was cheaper than the PS3 at the time, and only because I wanted to play GTA4 and RE4 (I've maybe purchased 3 games for it since then).

My 360 sits next to my PC, it's hooked up to my 1080p monitor. My TV is for watching television.

I have friends in a similar situation. Their gaming stuff is stuck in the corner/computer room, so the wife and kids can watch their bad soaps and reality programs in the living room. Win/win situation!

So... this new Xbox is pretty huge. It's not going to sit nicely on my computer desk. I have no idea where I'd put the Kinect device that is sadly required (under the monitor, pointing at my chest?)... the whole TV thing is useless, already spent out on all that paraphernalia.

Anyway, all-in-all I'm pretty happy. Hopefully the openGL based PS4 will really take off, meaning easier ports to Linux.. then I can get rid of MS completely.


topeira
topeira

i think MS saw the xbox reveal as a two part show. the first part is the mainstream stuff shown at the reveal, and the second part is at E3 for the hardcore gamer, and my guess is that all the disappointed gamers out there will come around. i think MS could have made a 2 hour reveal and show everything but that would have detracted from their E3 conference. in fact EVERYTHING else they could have done here would've detracted from their E3 spot and THAT's why i think we saw nothing gamer-related here. 

they are saving their cards for E3, where they think it will matter more for them. im just excited for E3. with all the mainstream bull out of the way at the reveal i expect MS to show games games games and nothing but, which could make their press conference better than sony's. 

we will have to wait and see. 

the funny thing is - im probably not going to get either. im going to stay the PC gamer that i am. 

Carreau13
Carreau13

As a male in his twenties, I think it looks like shit. All the gamers I know who are my age and core gamers hate it so far as well.

gamecubepad
gamecubepad

I felt like XBone is pointed at anyone but the twenty-something yr.-old male core gamer. Look at the reaction from the gaming community. Think it's moms and grandmas getting mad about this stuff?

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

*Microsoft boardroom a month ago*

Douchebag: Alright guys, here's the deal.  We need to force people to be online AND ban used games.  What do you think?

Voice of Reason: I, uh, I don't think consumers are gonna really accept both of those things.

Douchebag: You may be right.  Lets start by choosing one... We'll flip a coin

Voice of Reason: No-but, that's not what I-

Douchebag: Heads!  Ok, so we ban used games.

Douchebag 2: You know... We could just charge people to play used games.  That would deter them from buying used but still give the bastards  a choice... and then we could make money 2 or 3 times off the same game.

Douchebag: That's Brilliant!  I like the way you  think Douchebag 2.

Voice of Reason: But- wait, uh, that still wouldn't help 3rd-party-

Jackass: Oh and check this!!  If we tell them they only need to check-in online, then we can say that they don't need to ALWAYS be online, and everyone will eat it up like candy.  2 birds with one stone.

Douchebag: YES! *points to Jackass* That's what I'm talking about.  See boys,  that's how you get it done.

Voice of Reason: *facepalm*

BRiDeath
BRiDeath

I gotta say, watching the event reeeeeaaaallllyyy tested my "manhood status." Do you like cars? No? Well how about sports games, televised sports or fantasy football leagues? No? How about Call of Duty with more realistic military gunshooting? No?... Ummm... Here's a Hazelnut Macchiato Latte I ordered from Starbucks. Go ahead... you have it ;)

schramonkey
schramonkey

MS revealed it, and the baggers came.  SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE! Who is going to come when they build it? The sheep? The dogs? The pigs on a wing?       

Lost you didn't I.

The apple sheep buy apple stuff, the ms sheep buy ms stuff, the ps sheep by s...sony.  What!? Who invited those foreigners?   Anyway, you baggers are all sheep in your own way.  I have yet to spot a dog amongst you people, much less a pig on a wing. I think those ms folk are the pigs if I understand the metaphor right.

Todays tech from whomever is all better then 8-track, and I don't know of any chicks that had one of those much less your mom or your grandma.  Nevertheless, RCA's 8-tack had a good run, and I think this One thing might have a good run too.

When the kids are using it to play pong (whatever game is all the rage today), and the wife is using it to vote on American Idol, I'll be in the garage listening to Pink Floyd on my CD player.  Remember CDs?  .....Lost you.

This was only a reveal, but just remember, if the pigs want to plug anything directly into your head, which is where all this tech is leading,  RUN! Exit this building and don't drink the cool aid. and don't think that sony, apple or any other pig wont do the same.

I go baa most of the time, but sometimes, I like to pretend to howl and bark.. 

42 yo dude signing out. 

DKant
DKant

Spot on with your criticism of Microsofts attempts to imitate Apple. It seems like all they're succeeding at is learning all the WRONG lessons - what works for Apple (or at least, Steve Jobs) need not work for Microsoft. Microsoft shouldn't be trying so hard to imitate Apple's EXACT presentation style (which itself gets pretty annoying especially with the developer testimonials, sometimes) but try harder to DO what Apple is trying to do in the first place. Communicate their real passion.

Throw away the suits and let your designers and engineers take the stage. Then, you'll see the magic.

gsbliss
gsbliss

When I was a "twenty something male" I liked classical music and Harold Pinter plays.  In other words, a lot of the same shit I like now.  Sounds like you're the one doing the stereotyping, Martin.


I'm not far off my twenties yet, and I didn't appreciate much the conference had to offer either.  I guess that makes me so much more mature than everybody else.  Like you.  If you would like to start up a company that has conferences dedicated to all-inclusive entertainment that appeals a little bit to everyone and satisfies no one, be my guest.  What a great idea.  I'm sure none of the money hungry bottom feeders at Microsoft ever thought of that.

blueboxdoctor
blueboxdoctor

But I don't know any twenty-something male that wants this.  What they have shown basically is to market towards parents.  Why?  Well, parents knowing nothing about video games will see it can be used in the living room for things they'd use it for (TV) and then their kids can play it (COD).  This way they'd feel better about spending a lot of money come this winter to buy the system if it can be used by all.  They showed COD/Madden because they're very mainstream and everybody can recognize a football game and at this point nearly everyone can at least recognize the name COD.  Even if parents didn't watch the event they will likely hear or read about it online, and they may go to the awful Fox News article on it that preaches how it is going to save gaming and all that nonsense.

291403171981
291403171981

NOTA PREVIA: No es intención de mi reflexión atacar, herir, o producir mal sabor de boca a nadie. Si pasó pido perdón y les recuerdo que mis opiniones son mías y no buscan eso nunca. Gracias por el espacio a Gamespot ;) .

Creo que el artículo es interesante y comprometido pero siento que estereotipa demasiado el análisis de mercado que Microsoft realizó a la hora de consolidar este sistema de entretenimiento (puedo estar equivocado pero es lo que me hace sentir). 

Considero que, para no caer en la misma tela que Microsoft y XBOX ONE, sería interesante tener en cuenta el gran arcoiris de personas de veintitantos que hay en el planeta (cosa un poco difícil), y ser menos juicioso a la hora de emitir una perspectiva en un artículo que se edifica para sumar ideas en torno al desarrollo de esta industria tan popular en estos días (igualmente esto es lo que creo desde mi fantasía sobre lo que hace cualquier editor de opinión y noticias de esta página a la hora de escribir un artículo como este. Puedo estar equivocado :P). 

Siento, por otra parte, que Martin está un poco ofuscado por las desiciones de una empresa que quizás admire o, algo más conocido para mí, que él esperaba ciertas cosas de este lanzamiento y que no pudo verlo en el adelanto de XBOX ONE (cosa que, creo yo, no es responsabilidad de Microsoft el cubrir las espectativas de todos los seres vivos de este planeta). Lo cierto es que un sistema plural es algo que no me tienta en lo más mínimo porque, cómo decía mi abuela: el que mucho abarca poco aprieta. 

Por otro lado, en el mundo de la CP (PC para los Norteamericanos) hace años que se inventó el concepto de "todo en uno" (HP fue bastante pionero en esto) y trasladar eso a las consolas me parece muy poco innovador, limitante y corre de su "para qué" original a los sistemas de juego hogareños y portables. Una consola de video juegos para mí debe ser: práctica de transportar, poderosa en cuanto a su arquitectura gráfica y sonora y poseer una amplia varidad de títulos pensados en segmentos de edades y subtipos de gustos (al menos 4); compatible con la mayor cantidad de dispositivos de visualización (HDMI, RGB, YUB, etc.), y generar una identidad propia que sea más grande que la suma de un estudio de mercado globalizante. La idea es entretener con video juegos y esa es su función primaria de una consola de video juegos (todo esto desde mi perspectiva personal sin caer en que lo opuesto está mal, es sólo lo que yo espero de un sistema de video juegos hogareño/portable). Lo de las redes sociales e internet es un buen aditamento en la medida que, este aditamento, esté pensado para profundizar la experiencia del primer objetivo (cosa que ambas consolas han puesto de manifiesto y suponen tenerlo en cuenta). Lo demás me parece que sólo complica lo sencillo de la experiencia y vuelve demasiado tentacular algo que no necesita serlo. Para lo multi-tarea han inventado el CP. 

Desde mi punto de vista personal siento que han gastado demasiado esfuerzo y dinero en algo que ya existe en vez de abocar su energía en mejorar la arquitectura dedicada a juegos de la consola de video juegos más allá de los límites seguros de lo que el mercado ya tiene (siempre hablando de CP). Creo que estoy viendo el atardecer de la era de las consolas para caer en la integración hacia un Computador Personal con licencia exclusiva sobre algunos títulos y algunas tecnología gráficas. Nada nuevo, nada malo, sólo algo que no pensé que pasaría tan pronto.

Más allá de estas perspectivas sensibles y personales, creo que cada empresa, jugador o persona, tiene derecho a tomar el rumbo que desee. XBOX ONE existe porque hay un posible mercado para esa consola. WII U, PS4 y cualquier otro sistema de juego existe gracias a este posible público y considero que es responsabilidad de cada empresa arriesgarse con el público que le parece más óptimo para su producto. Lo cierto es que la mejor forma de apoyar o no algo es, en este mercado, comprando o no el producto. Castigar con críticas duras las decisiones de las empresas es un gasto de energía y lesiona la posibilidad de discutir de forma sana para sumar y crecer. Lo bueno, para mí, de algunas "revisiones" que veo en Gamespot es que son bastante propositivas e ilustrativas. No se ocupan de hacer miradas dogmáticas o juiciosas. Son abiertas a la idea que hay seguramente un público que le puede gustar el juego o consola y que hay otro que podría no estar en la misma línea. Ninguno de los dos está equivocado, sólo eligen diferente.  

En resumen: Si este es el camino que seguirán los desarrolladores de sistemas de juego, yo me decantaré por armar una notebook excepcional y potente, un gabinete igual con una buen monitor led HD. Estos sistemas estarán hiperconectadas a internet, entre ellas y a otros dispositivos, serán multi-tarea, escalables de forma clara y con más opciones de sistemas operativos, harware y software; serán infinitamente más económicas en el tiempo en todo sentido (ni que hablar de que la lista de desarrolladores de programas y juegos es mucho más amplia y con mejor oferta de precios); y, además, podrán ser transportables y prácticas, en la medida en que haga de ambas livianas, compactas y flexibles. :D  


NOTA: No es intención de mi reflexión atacar, herir, o producir mal sabor de boca a nadie. Si pasó pido perdón y les recuerdo que mis opiniones son mías y no buscan eso nunca. Gracias por el espacio a Gamespot ;) .

Prosercunus
Prosercunus

I think I am going for the PS4 this time around, but even than I am waiting until there is a healthy game library on both sides of the coin until I make my ultimate decision.

I don't do FPS on consoles (I find PC FPS to be superior in nearly every facet) so it really comes down to who can get the better exclusives (probably Sony) and RPG games (probably sony) and other miscellaneous games (unsure).

livewired500
livewired500

Was thinking about this. I don't think the 20 somethings are the target. Seems to me that the 20 somethings don't watch a lot of live TV and are more focused on using Netflix and Hulu. It seems more oriented towards 30 and 40 somethings, but at the same time not very family oriented. 

In fact, there seems to be such a lack of focus on this device and how they want to market it, I'm not really clear on who they want to sell it to. 

It's a set top box, that requires a separate set top box and dvr to work. It's a universal remote that there was no indication that it can change the volume on your home theater system. It's completely hands-free except for the times you need to use your smart phone/tablet to navigate. And it might play some games. 

It's not "For gamers, designed by gamers." It is "For suits, designed by suits." 

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@Iddhi You realize RE4 for 360 didn't come out until 2012, right? At that point the consoles were the same price. And your tv is watching tv? Wow, you're obviously doing it right. What a complete waste of a console, I feel pity for you.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@Iddhi All Sony has to do is show up at this point and they will outsell the XBone.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@topeira I don't think gamers are going to "come around" about the used games tax/fees, the always online requirement (24 hr checkins have the same practical effect...so, yes it's "always on"), the kinect requirement.  And once it hits mainstream media channels soon that the XBone has far less memory bandwidth and 50% less shader power (both confirmed) that isn't going to sit well either or bode well for multiplat games on the 360. 

You do have a point that E3 launch games will go a long way towards making up for the beyond lame "reveal"...but no games, no matter how cool, can make up for this system's inherent weaknesses. Some of the decisions MS made with this product are simply mind-boggling when you consider all they really needed to do was release a more powerful 360 and gamers would have been happy as hell and lining up by the millions to buy it. Instead we have a gimped system with excessive/over-the-top DRM and a design that makes it look like MS has no idea who they are trying to market or sell this thing to.  I have 5 Xbox 360s and will not be buying a One unless they do some serious back-pedaling on the DRM restrictions. I will never under any circumstance buy a system that bans used games and requires a "check-in" to be functional.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@Carreau13 Then all the people you know are close-minded hipster douches too because there is no real reason to dislike it yet.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@mjswooosh While I agree with the majority of your post, I'd like to point out that "Douchebag 2: You know... We could just charge people to play used games.  That would deter them from buying used but still give the bastards  a choice... and then we could make money 2 or 3 times off the same game." is blatant hypocrisy.

So, GameStop can sell the same game 2 or 3 times, raking in BILLIONS while the people who actually created the game don't receive a cent, yet when there's a chance that the creators would get a cent then suddenly you have a problem with it?

jefferson1964
jefferson1964

@BRiDeath now that's funny, I was watching it live....they go into this big deal on sports...blah, don't like sports all that much so boring......next fantasy football, basketball, ok big deal would never use, call of duty, I like the zombies that's it but not enough to buy a new console.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@schramonkey You're an idiot. You do realize CDs have been around for 31 years, right? So you were a kid when they came out. Unless these people are 2 and can't use the internet anyway, they know about CDs.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@DKant Apple doesn't have a passion, other than taking your money and bathing in it.. Not sure what you're on about.

schramonkey
schramonkey

@DKant I'm confused. You think MS imitates Apple yet apple is annoying. MS needs to find Apple's passion. Does MS need to be more annoying in order to have their own passion?  Are you applauding MS for being annoying in there own way yet criticism them for missing the mark all at the same time?  Do magic apples make suits disappear and shy engineers take the stage. Are you optimistic that there will be magic at E3?  I am.

I think that the reveal was more for the fellow engineers, the developers, the investors, and the would be corporate partners.  They all need to see the potential in the tech, and I think that message and the importance of that message is what everybody in this forum are missing.  It's not all about the gamers or the other consumers at this point. It's about the business partners. 

Steve Jobs and all other great visionaries all have fears about what the critics will say about their own reveals.  But it's not about that, it helps to impress everybody, and It's real magic when that happens, but that's not the purpose of the reveal. 

The real message to the consumer, us, has not yet happened. The games that everybody wants to see are not yet revealed by the developers, and it is not MS's place to reveal those games for them.  MS is leading the way for the developers and once they see what MS has for them, then more developers and more partners will jump on board.  That is when they go for us.

Oh and one more thing.  Who are the developers?  Could they be 20 something males?  Maybe that is way they appear to be going after 20 something males.  There is more strategy to these reveals than we all think.  We are all reacting to nothing at this stage of the game.  And when they do put out their message to the consumer, we might not even know it.  Another form of magic is aka marketing.

Raven_1981
Raven_1981

@291403171981 hola coincido con tu opinnon, la verdad de los mejores comentarios que he visto con respecto al anuncio de la nueva xbox, yo desde el anuncion me pregunto que esperaba ver la gente, estamos en un pico con respecto a lo visual, la integración de lo social ya estaba previsto, en lo personal no me llama mucho la atancion este complemento, me interesan mas los juegos y pues voy a esperar que pasa en la E3, claro no fui fan de mucho que presentaron el COD y lo de los deportes pero entiendo que fue un anuncio y solo mostraron una parte, con respecto a Martin no me gusto su articulo, creo una especie de estereotipo y el dio un enfoque a la consola que yo no senti, yo tengo una 360 y soy mujer tiene gran variedad de titulos nunca la he sentido con el enfoque que menciona y no creo que la nueva lo sea, para mi es absurdo que diga que es para hombres solamente y de veintitantos, ya sabemos de varios titulos y proyectos de los desarrolladores que estan en camino, por lo que cuando vi su articulo dije wow que le pasa a este tipo. En un momento dije bueno pregunta por publico de mas edad y quizas donde quedaron las mujeres pero realmente parece solo un estallo de su propia frustración.

jefferson1964
jefferson1964

@Prosercunus I own both now, like the 360, play the ps3 and enjoy its games.....sony can run away with it should they play it right.  I was a ps1 owner long before there was an xbox.  so it only matters which one I like the best, im not a msft, sony, apple etc fanboy give me what I want and I will buy it......

Tiwill44
Tiwill44

@Prosercunus I'd normally agree that we should wait to see which consoles have the most exclusives before making a decision, but this time around, it's not just about the games... the Xbox One will have so many restricted features, it's... disgusting. Pretty much everything they announced about the console is bad, while the PS4 (and Wii U) are still what they should be: video game consoles.

The choice should be easy enough, either choose between a Wii U or a PS4, or buy both of them. PC is a given these days, so anyone without a good PC should get one.

I mean, yes, if Microsoft shows TONS of awesome truly exclusive games at E3 (and not just shooters, kinect games and sport games), then I'll consider buying one, but... that is very, very unlikely.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@livewired500 Exactly. If nothing else, this reveal showed MS has yet to figure out how to sell this thing (aside from riding the coat-tails of the 360s success) or who to sell it to (which is starting to look like the DudeBros)....

Iddhi
Iddhi

@Grenadeh It was RE5. I realised my mistake later but couldn't be bothered to correct myself, thanks for picking up on that.

And yes, it was a waste, and if I could go back in time knowing what I know now, I'd have spent the extra and bought a PS3. At least then I'd have got BlueRay and MGS5 too.

I'll probably skip this next generation of consoles, the best games are rarely exclusives these days and the games I spend the majority of my time playing aren't even released on consoles.

jefferson1964
jefferson1964

@mjswooosh @topeira I do not like the 24 hour check in rule to play a game, that's a no go for me.  As to paying a fee I think its for multiplayer which is already required.  I borrowed a buddy's game and could play, however, when I tried to get into multiplayer and did not have the code I was asked to pay a fee for a new code to play.  The one thing about the 24 hour check in I don't hear any saying is it just a general internet connection or must you have a xbox live account to check in....im leaning towards internet connect and xbox live account to play.....

Glongold
Glongold

@Daemoroth @mjswooosh Consider if you compare that to say a used car dealership where they can sell the same car 2-3 times on an item that has been used and abused. Now imagine going to a used car dealer and having to pay FULL price on something that was previously USED. For games, that used item would be the disc to transfer the game over (no pun intended) to the console. Its condition could be that is scratched, certain promo codes no longer valid due to being used by previous owner, no case, etc.

Why stop at Gamestop though? In fact any games outlet shouldn't even be allowed to lower the price of any game for any reason, if one is to defend it on solely a software licensing standpoint. The software is static and therefore its value in terms of price should be static in the eyes of the company. Most consumers however regard their games as something of a novelty best consumed over a certain period of time before depreciating in value. That in part is what I think drives many consumers distaste for what MS has decided with this. Its (chuckles) actually kind of the reason why things have been working great so far. New game comes out, initial consumers anticipation is sky high, they pay practically any price, while the next crowd of consumers though will wait a few months before purchasing said game. Its perceived value has diminished and therefore its value for obtaining it has as well. 10 years down the road I should still have to pay $60 for Halo 3 for the simple reason that its value as diminished in terms of time and all the other intangibles I mentioned.

They ignore the consumers perspective on what constitutes as value added to the game that are intangible such as :hype, anticipation, loyalty to a series, simple curiosity etc and simply look at as...you guessed it... a cold, by the numbers corporate suit perspective. In the companies eyes the only value afforded to the game is the license that says we are merely allowing a player to play on our property. Doesn't matter how old tired and boring our property is compared to our newer fresher, disneyland like property we have next door, we're still going to charge full price for you to play in our worn down junkyard theme park. I dunno. Doesn't seem right.

If Microsoft can't handle the razor sharp business model of the gaming industry then maybe it shouldn't be in it. Not try to change what can almost be basic economics between cost and perceived value between consumer and producer.

schramonkey
schramonkey

@Grenadeh I really did loose you after all.  I did not mean to literally loose you, but it appears that you missed my point.  For that, I really am an idiot for not being more clear.  I'm sorry for misleading you into thinking that I thought you don't know about CDs.  To be more direct, I actually do think all of us know what CDs are.  Therefore, that must not have been the point I was making. 

I was actually using the CD as a proxy to make a point about the xbone.  Like all things, It will eventually go the way of the 8-tack.  Also, like the 8-track, it will have a good run if not be the game changer that MS is hoping it will be.   

If  we see through MS's presentation, it is not really a game console at all, although it is trying to appeal to the gamers as a game console.  It is a living room integrator in game console clothing.  Does this remind you of what they say about wolves in sheep's clothing.  That's not a bad thing.  If it's not really a game console, then it may be the beginning of the end for the game console.  This would truly make the xbone the 1st of it's kind and "One" being an even more telling choice of names.  I don't really think the game console is going anywhere, but just suggesting that the name "One" has additional meaning.

I'm actually more excited about it because it is an integrator. But that's only because it's close to what I do in my profession.  High-end multimedia integration systems are prohibitively expensive for most people.  The exbone is way cheaper in comparison to other such systems, and that is also why I am excited about it. It has the potential to be much more than a game console.  It also has the potential of being more than a home integrator because such systems are not all-in-one like xbone is.

There are other multi-media integration systems out there, Crestron is one such system.  But it does not do any multi media internally that I am aware of. Its purpose is to simply integrate other third party devices. Kind of like a very sophisticated universal remote control for corporate offices or high end residential homes owned by rich people.  Xbone is not just going after the game console market, it's trying to expand on the home integration market where that market only currently exists for super high end homes.  

MS can potentially replace a significant portion of the game console market.  3 generations from now, the xbthree will be controlling your clothes washer and drier so that they only run when the electric company rates and power usage are at their lowest.  We will be calling it "mother," and it will tell us to pick up more milk on the way home because the milk in the frig is getting low. We won't have to be supper rich and famous to have one, but if we do have one, then why get a game console if it proves be just as good as one and can help you do home-work to boot.

This won't be the device people take to college, but it will be the device that they buy for their home.  It might be a device that parents let their kids use if it is already in their home and easy enough to use.  This might determine who MS markets too.   It's not the usual gamer that MS markets to in this case, post-gamer maybe.  It's not women and children. MS is going through another door to get in the house.  One that's not controlled by the gamer only generation.  But they are smart enough to know that if they market it to the right people, then the other people will be trapped into the need to have it and use it as well.  I don't think that is a bad thing.  The game console market will still be there for the foreseeable future, but I do think that the xbone is making an attempt to both expand on this market and overlap on top of it. 

Yes, MS could have gone the easy route and simply improved on the 360 as a game console, but since the early days of both Apple and MS, this sort of route was is not what made these companies what they are today.  They don't just make devices that fit in the current market.  They discover new markets for the products they make.

DKant
DKant

Apple doesn't get everything right. Their keynotes, primarily Steve Jobs keynotes, have been undeniably successful. However, when they extend that waxing eloquence to EVERYTHING, and when they repeat themselves, it gets annoying.

It was nice to see developers talk about how Apple changed business for them the first time around. Later on, it, and a bunch of other videos they made, bordered on annoying.

What struck me as odd is MS copying the WRONG parts - annoying parts, of Apples presentation style. Waxing eloquence works when you're ACTUALLY introducing a revolutionary product the first time to the world (aka the first iPhone), not when you're making iterative improvements (subsequent iPhones and any game console)

That jars.

It helps when people who are closer to the process talk, or at least can PRETEND to be close enough (Steve Jobs was really good at that) The shy engineer/designer is a stereotype, not untrue, but a stereotype. there are enough wonderful, creative and expressive people around. Even if not, the VP of engineering or Design lead of a studio is ALWAYS someone who can invest more meaning into a talk about games and a game console than a suit.

The fakeness and scripted, rehearsed nature of it shows. That is where the criticism at failing to copy Apple, or not having the RIGHT people doing the talking, comes.

I'd take awkward or informal but honest, over clean suits and zero actual commitment to what one is saying, any day.

291403171981
291403171981

@Raven_1981 @291403171981 Gracias, es grato poder compartir resonancias en torno al tema y en mi idioma :D ;). 

En cuanto a 360, es una consola muy importante en la evolución de los sistemas de juego. Admiro mucho su arquitectura y los títulos. El emprendimiento de Microsoft me recordó mucho al de Sony cuando decidió lanzar la PSX en 1995. Gracias a esta desición de Sony, la explosión de títulos y desarrolladores fue increíble. Desde el lanzamiento de XBOX y XBOX 360 (2001/2005), la competencia elevó la productividad en el desarrollo de juegos, en las distintas plataformas, y al crecimiento exponencial del mercado.  Los juegos se convirtieron en todo lo que alguna vez soñé. Experiencias cinematográficas hermosas, con sus más y sus menos, pero que realmente tenian un trabajo excepcional de arte y programación.

Espero que, con XBOX ONE y PS4, la cuestión pase por el mismo lugar (la creatividad en los juegos, la mejora sustancial del contenido de los mismos y el gameplay), y que, los frutos de la competencia entre ambas consolas, nos traigan muchas aventuras divertidas y emocionantes para jugar solos o con afectos en la gran red de redes :D. 

En última instancia es muy bueno que haya diversidad en cuanto a los perfiles y diseños en las consolas pues, de esta manera, es más sencillo encontrar una que cubra las necesidades personales y se convierta en parte del hogar desde un lugar más intimo y afectuoso.

Abrazo :D

ooblah
ooblah

@Tiwill44 @Prosercunus  

You're being pretty presumptuous here.  There's no telling what MS will show at E3 (though I'm sure there will be plenty of shooters).  But remember, Sony has shown plenty of that as well, and shooters in general are the bread and butter of any major console.  Both platforms are sure to have plenty of innovative IPs.  Sony hasn't disclosed info yet, but MS stated that they will launch 15 exclusive titles (8 of which are brand new IPs) within the first year.  Of course there's no telling whether they'll hold to that, but it's a start.  Though Sony showed more games during their conference, we also know next to nothing about the PS4s system architecture or user interface.  The point is, neither Sony, nor Microsoft has revealed much yet, and it's way too early to make final judgements.  Not even sure why you mentioned Nintendo because they're not looking so hot right now.  I'm a big Nintendo fan, and I'd hate to see them go the way of Sega, but all of their third party support is abandoning them, and it's no one's fault but their own.  Nintendo walks to the beat of their own drum, and it's worked in the past, but it's failing them this go-around.  The Wii U should've released 7 years ago - plain and simple.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

All of gaming has always done that. You can't tell me Ninja Gaiden 3 was worth more than 3 dollars, ever. Yet it stayed $60 for months until the re-release and even the re-release was cheaper.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@Glongold @Daemoroth @mjswooosh You  haven't bought a car before I see. If you go to a pre-owned dealership, the price is usually about 80% of the MSRP new price tag. That's full price as far as anyone is concerned. Also, are you joking? If MS can't handle the gaming industry? Where do you think the gaming industry would be right now if it wasn't for Microsoft? Honestly where do you think it would be? We'd all be in Playstation heaven? That's completely ignorant and ridiculous.

jefferson1964
jefferson1964

@Glongold @Daemoroth @mjswooosh I thought the same thing, game prices will never fall again unless maybe you wait several years and get the game of the year edition but it will still be substantially more that what we are seeing now.  I think the gaming companies are just as much to blame in this and in some way are forcing this down the throats of the consumer.

schramonkey
schramonkey

@Grenadeh @schramonkey @DKant Both Steve and Bill are heroes of mine.  The companies they leave are and will be their legacies.  Whether you hate or love MS or Apple, you can not change their legacy.  Rest in peace Steve.  I'm proud to be living in the era of these great visionaries, but it is a quandary why the I-phone has such poor reception right in front of Steve's House.  My friend used to live down the street.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@DKant Personally I liked that one guy, the first guy who talked. It might be because the entire time he reminded me of an actor that I simply can't place, like John Heater or something. I refused to believe he was real and I swore that he was an actor.

Tiwill44
Tiwill44

@Grenadeh @Tiwill44 @Prosercunus Yeah, but Microsoft has said enough about the next Xbox to throw me off already.

And I never said I was getting a PS4 for sure, I only said that now, the only possibility that remains is PS4 (I already own a Wii U). I'm not sold on the PS4 yet, but if they show good games at E3 then I'll most likely end up buying one.

ooblah
ooblah

@Tiwill44  

Agreed.  Though my point about Nintendo was not that they won't ever do well again, but that they aren't looking too hot RIGHT NOW.  Nintendo has always been "all about the games", that's one of the things that makes the company so wonderful, but they can't survive alone on first party Nintendo games, and their window for bringing more core gamers to the Wii U is fading, if not already faded.  I've always been conflicted, because I consider myself to be an optimist as well as a realist.  But I have to take a realists approach to the state of Nintendo.  The only thing the big N has going for it now is the 3DS.  The Wii U isn't moving, and as I've said, most of its third party support is jumping ship.  The Wii U is sure to come out with some fantastic first party titles (I don't really care about Smash Bros or 2D Marios, but I'm super excited to see what a legitimate current gen Zelda will look and play like, the same for the next 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Star Fox, etc.), but again, it can't survive on first party titles alone.  I haven't even bought a Wii U, and I've owned every Nintendo platform up to the original Wii (and the Wii was really for children, parents, and old people -  with the exception of a few Suda 51 games).  The two main things that REALLY hurt the Wii U:

-It released too little too late.

-And Nintendo did not do a good enough job of giving it its own identity.  Way too many people thought the tablet controller was either a new peripheral for the Wii or the new console itself.  The Advertisement campaign was not good.  I tried the Apple approach of announcing new hardware and then releasing it the next day (not literally) and it worked for a month or two, then it slowed to but a crawl.

ooblah
ooblah

@Grenadeh @ooblah @Tiwill44 @Prosercunus  

The PS3's UI did really suck, but let's not kid ourselves by saying the Xbox's was lightening fast - in fact the slowness of the 360's UI is one of my pet peeves for the system.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

@ooblah @Tiwill44 @Prosercunus Let's  hope the PS4 interface doesn't suck phallus like the PS3 UI. I'm sorry but the PS3's UI overlay is just way too slow and horribly performing to forgive. 360s is fast and works flawlessly, not to mention it takes less button presses to get back to your game and has better immediate achievement tracking.

Tiwill44
Tiwill44

@ooblah @Tiwill44 @Prosercunus Well, like I said, I'm not completely ruling out the possibility that MS will announce good exclusives. If they DO show games, then I'll be interested in the console, but my point is that right now, the Xbox One itself is throwing me off, so it's not a good start. I hate Kinect, I don't care about voice recognition, and the always-online / no used games / TV stuff is just bullshit.

Also, about the Wii U, in the last Nintendo Direct they said "this year, it's all about the games", so... I'd say it's also presumptuous to say that Nintendo isn't looking good right now. Wait at least until June 11, and to be fair, I'll also wait until E3 before making my final decision about Xbox One. But they're gonna need a LOT of games to impress me.

As for the PS4, well... it just looks OK for now. Nothing particularly bad or really good about it, I'll have to wait and see. I don't really care about the 'Share' function, but at least they showed some games and not garbage.

I guess this makes me pretty excited for E3, it'll make everything a lot clearer.