Is the Wii U really doomed? Exploring the pros and cons of Nintendo's next move

Down but not out.

Nintendo’s stock took a huge dive today as the company reassessed the potential success of their Wii U console, dropping expected sales from 9 million to 2.8 million. It’s easy to think Nintendo is doomed, but the resilient developer won’t be that hard to put down; they've had plenty of experience with low sales and failed consoles (just look at the GameCube and the Virtual Boy).

To figure out what Nintendo might do next, GameSpot editors Justin Haywald and Tom Mc Shea break down the pros and cons of some of the most frequent suggestions people have thrown out in the last few months.

Nintendo Goes Mobile

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata discussed the importance of exploring "new business structures" and possibly expanding further into smartphone development.

Why it could work…

Tom Mc Shea: Controlling a traditional Mario platformer on a touchscreen sounds like a nightmare. However, I do think Nintendo could gain valuable name recognition by delivering their most cherished characters to the mobile environment. Nintendo has been able to create lifelong fans by welcoming children into their colorful adventures at a young age, and once people play these wonderful experiences, they become invested in Mario, Link, and every other captivating character.

The problem right now is that kids have flocked toward cheaper, more accessible mobile platforms, and they now have an unbreakable fondness for disposable games such as Angry Birds. If Nintendo devised fascinating, new experiences for mobile devices starring their beloved family of mascots, they would once again build a small and loyal fanbase. And, if things go correctly, those same players will eventually graduate from the mobile offerings to Nintendo's handhelds and consoles.

Why it won’t…

Justin Haywald: As Tom writes above, simply porting games over to mobile would be a colossal failure. Nintendo's greatest strength is leveraging their unique platforms to create memorable gaming experiences.

But while Nintendo could no doubt make amazing mobile games, they wouldn't necessarily be any more lucrative than their current offerings. Mobile gaming isn't a fad, but the most successful mobile experiences aren't necessarily "fun," they just leverage microtransactions and our addictive tendencies better. Nintendo makes genuinely great games; sacrificing part of that to find the better ways to monetize Mario and Zelda wouldn't feel very much like Nintendo.

Nintendo Goes Third Party

Like Sega after the demise of the Dreamcast, Nintendo could also start porting their games over to Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC.

Why it could work...

Tom Mc Shea: Nintendo's strength lies in their fantastic development studios. For almost two decades, I've needed to own every Nintendo system solely because their first-party games were so incredible. I've had no problem buying consoles specifically for that reason, but Nintendo has to realize that there's a finite number of people willing to make that investment.

Ultimately, their goal should be to get their games to as many people as possible. For every year that passes in which fewer and fewer people care about Nintendo's franchises, their cultural impact lessens, which damages their potential growth going forward. If Nintendo swallowed their pride by supporting other platforms, they could ensure they remain relevant in a contentious environment, and continue to win over fans with their exceptional game design.

Why it won’t...

Justin Haywald: Just like the problems with mobile development, most of Nintendo's success comes from building games custom-made for their platforms. They don't try to compete in terms of raw power with the competition, they leverage new technology in surprising ways. Sure the Wii U has been a failure so far, but a lot of that comes down to messaging. If the Wii U had been a clear successor to the Wii (instead of what seemed like a mere controller upgrade) things could've gone very differently.

Would Nintendo be able to support the kind of quirky hits and ingenious deviations they currently experiment with if they became a studio like EA or Microsoft? It's more likely something would have to give to support continued AAA hits, and nobody would want Nintendo to abandon smaller titles like Chibi-Robo or Nintendo Remix to make Mario, Link, and Zelda yearly rehashed franchises.

Nintendo Dumps the Wii U GamePad

Would it still be the "Wii U" without the GamePad?

Why it could work...

Justin Haywald: The Wii U GamePad lets Nintendo provide unique experiences that no other console can provide, but it also raises the price of the Wii U beyond what Nintendo's target demographic has come to expect. Things might be different if the GamePad didn't feel like a feature-deficient tablet. You can't take games with you on the go (heck, the gamepad can barely leave the room your Wii U is located in), and there's no tie-in, either in library or in gameplay functionality, with the 3DS, which is probably Nintendo's biggest missed opportunity.

Nintendo didn't need to add a GamePad to their console, they already had the 3DS.

The first step Nintendo needs to take is getting rid of the mostly unnecessary GamePad peripheral. Then call the updated system a Wii 2, and work on a handheld that brings both their systems and shops together. Imagine playing Wii U games on the go with Nintendo's next handheld...and quiver at the company's newfound market dominance.

Why it won’t...

Tom Mc Shea: The Wii U's reputation is damaged beyond repair. The popular consensus is one of extreme apathy, so even though Nintendo would be able to chop down the price of the system by removing the GamePad, there are reasons beyond cost that are keeping consumers at bay.

Look no further than Nintendo's competitor, Sony, to see how this scenario could play out. Even though the Vita (like the Wii U) has plenty of great games, the system is still languishing at retail, even after a substantial price drop. Image is everything when it comes to marketing, and Nintendo has to do a lot more work than simply remove their expensive peripheral to convince people to shell out their hard-earned money.

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0x0100
0x0100

One of the big problems with the Xbox 360 is its lack of good family games, or games that you can let your kids play. I like Nintendo, but if developed for the Xbox 360, it would fill that gap, and people wouldn't have to buy another console. (Unless they developed it only for the Xbox One, which would be unnecessary) If that happened, people wouldn't have to buy a Wii U to play a few games. It would do good to the Xbox 360 and to Nintendo.

2w-sephiroth
2w-sephiroth

I think the biggest problem is the reputation that Nintendo has brought with every console. The N64 used cartiges, the GC used mini DVDs, the Wii used gimicky controlers with an old generation technology. And they tried to do the very same thing with the Wii U. And they have marketed in such a way that it reminds people that the Wii U might be more of the same as the Wii. This problem is not only for customers, but developers. Why develop for a console that is marginally different to the other systems? Any game developer that has to do a game for the Wii U must create an interface and program something functional and interesting for a whole second screen. Do not get me wrong... I'll surely get a Wii U once they release a crisp game or two must buy games (a fresh zelda or galaxy 3) But that will not be in a while... And releasing Wind Waker HD will not make the cut either. I love Nintendo and I brought every system on lauch until the Wii. I do not own the Wii U however. I do not see why either as I barely played the Wii.

GregoryBastards
GregoryBastards

What nintendo needs now is to consider the 18-25 years old...i mean the only players of that age even playing zelda or mario are the ones who played it in their childhood. I mean i played zelda when i was young, but i wont buy a console only for 2 games from mario zelda each. Nostalgia can only work so far...why is it so hard for these guys to create new Ips anyways. Look at sony, it was lagging behind last gen but it just stuffed the ps store with new ips, look how its turned out this gen.

CaptWaffle
CaptWaffle

Game designers know that if they want to sell to a larger customer-base they can make a game for the Xbox 1, PS4, and PC because they are all capable of running similar-strength hardware...... if said company wished to also make this same game for the Wii U: they'd essentially be making a drastically different game..... thus the Wii U won't have very many 3rd party games because it would be too expensive, too much work, and there isn't enough of a customer base right now to justify it.  Nintendo cranks out some cool games (although I'm rather tired of Zelda and Mario after 20-some iterations) but making what was essentially a "Current Gen" console right when all of the "Next Gen" consoles was coming out....  it was basically saying "Hey!  We don't need no stinkin' 3rd party support!"  I'm thinking of picking up a Wii (the old one) now that I can grab one for like pocket change because they DO have good games... I just think the Wii U was poorly thought out.... and that name is just awful.... I just can't take something seriously when it's name is "Wii U".  Ugh. 

minijeffro
minijeffro

I don't have a Master's in Business or Marketing, but I knew that the Wii U was a bad idea from the start. They released a new console at the end of the current gen life cycle that was barely technically comparable to the PS3 or Xbox 360. Development houses were already switching gears to start development on PS4 and Xbox One titles when the console came out. The new gamepad peripheral required an exclusive development set that most game shops were not prepared to embrace unless they were under contract or subsidized  by Nintendo. Their best bet now is to wait a year and release a Wii 2 or whatever (if they still want to compete in the console market). They need to concentrate on getting more AAA development going rather then trying to get users to freak out over ineffective gimmicky technology gadgets (gamepad).

deathblow3
deathblow3

scrap it make a better more powerful version with full disc based backwards compatibility. that means all the way back to the gamecube plus release it with killer 1st party games and new titles from the 3rd parties and see how it does.

csward
csward

Nice article guys. I submitted some Wii U feedback to Nintendo on the Club Nintendo website so I hope they listen to it. They put some of my ideas in for Pokemon in X/Y, so I really hope Nintendo can get back on track.

Angry_Mushroom
Angry_Mushroom

I'd say just redo the system.  Call it the Revolution, and release it with 4-8 gigs of RAM, and a custom APU.  Forget the tablet controller.  If the controller really does cost that much, you could still pull off a fairly powerful system for about 300-350 dollars.  

adventuremind
adventuremind

xenoblade2,fatal frame5,great looking zelda = problem solved 50milionWiiU

skmjohn1
skmjohn1

If that nintendo phone doesn't have controller/emulator support then it's not going to do well. They could have a nintendo shop where you can buy games for stuff like the gba, gbc, nes, snes, etc.

VintAge68
VintAge68

The Wii U had its best US sales with around 460K units in last december so far, so why would the "popular consensus" be that the "Wii U's reputation is damaged beyond repair"? Sounds not all too plausible to me. Moreover, as Nintendo did cease the production of Wii consoles, I don't think they'll give up on the Wii U yet.

But why at all the panicmongering: among those who happily acquired a Wii U last december, I am looking forward to continue using it also in the near future...

jark888
jark888

Here is a few reasons why I don't buy Wii U yet.

1) Nintendo history of short console lifespan with little post support.

2) Nintendo always make the least powerful console among the big three, both home console and handheld. The horse power is at best equivalent to PS3-Xbox 360 generation. This is also why many third party companies have chosen to do away with Wii U besides poor console sell.

3) Not enough interesting quality games for adult.


Two things to make me buy one are:

1) Reverse everything I've said above to be much more competitive to its competitors on every aspects including same beneficial account for both 3DS & Wii U (The company should be very well aware that gaming industry is both highly profitable and competitive).

2) Lunch new limited edition golden Zelda Wii U console, gamepad, and nunchuck(the last item here is too limited and pricey now).


Necrotron
Necrotron

Great back and forth from Justin and Tom.  The 'rumors' of a new Nintendo console are certainly intriguing, to be sure.  I think the possibility of having a comparable service to 'cross play' of Sony would definitely help them, and it's one of the things they need.


I keep considering buying a Wii U, I mean, I do want one, but buying a console for the explicit reason of playing one developer's games is certainly a hard sell.  The Wii U with an optional gamepad and cross play with a DS is a much more intriguing offer.

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

I heard today from the gamestop clerk that official support for the Wii U isn't going to last much longer. It seems they have something bigger on the horizon?

It's hard to imagine them going for a new console already... unless it really is like 4th down for these guys and it's punt (become third party) or run the ball (Force through and make a new system RIGHT NOW) "

but I don't think it's THAT dire...

MarioLuigi25
MarioLuigi25

Hey, I just read a couple of articles saying that Nintendo is working on a new console to replace the Wii U. Although it may not be released for quite a while.


But really, the only thing Nintendo needs to do to turn itself around is give us more games to look forward to. It's the games that sells the consoles, not the hardware. I bet if Nintendo started releasing more of their big time games like Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero, people would be more willing to buy it. The Dreamcast had the same problem. The console itself was actually amazing for its time, especially considering that it was the 1st console to introduce online play. But the lack of blockbster games aside from Sonic made the game console not sell so well =(. They need to release other game titles aside from just Mario and Zelda.

soulst0p
soulst0p

It's time for a philosophy change for Nintendo.  They've always been a little behind the times when it comes to tech, opting for great, universal experiences.  Unfortunately, all that cash they grabbed by launching the original Wii is not gonna be available again, because none of those new "gamers" still play their Wii. So why are they going to throw down more money for Wii 1.5?  All the people who are really spending money on games are choosing PC, Playstation and Xbox. Nintendo needs to get serious about their brand. Children are playing games on their own iPhones.  It's time to make a product that feels like it has a future, rather than a toy that will be discarded after 2 years.

Revelstone
Revelstone

OK, I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the GC but even if the Wii U never fly's off shelves The Big N isn't going anywhere. They have a rabid fan base and their hand held is enough to keep then around for the next few gens at least.


All this talk of Nintendo going under is nonsense, why can't people just play what they enjoy and let the damn console wars die..

mpeg3s
mpeg3s

Nintendo's Toy attitude with Games is dieing. 

In fact, aren't the Toy MTF taking dives in revenue too.

orangeroblin
orangeroblin

My prediction is that the Wii U will be quite similar to gamecube in terms of final sale figures.


It's never going to go head to head with xbox one or ps4, but you'd be kidding yourself if you think the first party Nintendo games won't be system sellers. 


Come this holiday, with smash bros, mario kart, and a handful of other exclusives, paired with further price drop, I think it could still sell several millions of units. If they slashed the price to $199, or $239 with either smash bros/mario kart bundle, I bet people would be clamoring for a wii u all the sudden.


I mean, if little Timmy already has his xbox one or ps4 by next holiday, parents are gonna need something shiney under the tree.

Shango4
Shango4

Nintendo needs to give up on the experimental approach of the Wii and Wii U and actually make a decision to compete toe to toe with Microsoft and Sony. They need compelling hardware that will let developers push the boundaries of what they can do, not be constrained by the limitations of last gen hardware. Why would any third party developer make a game for Nintendo that can only do A, when they can make a game for Microsoft or Sony that can do A, B, AND C?

Also that none of their key franchises were ready at launch is inexcusable.

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

it will be a real shame to see nintendo go if it does happen, i spent my childhood playing nintendo and they gave me some of my best childhood memories playing with friends. but you cannot deny the wii u is clearly outclassed. I reckon what happened to the dreamcast is going to happen to the wii u.

newbie4lyfe
newbie4lyfe

Autumn Dynasty(game on ipad) would be great for this console... with online and stuff... i dont have a wiiu but i can imagine...

Aentikraist
Aentikraist

the mobile thing by any means is absurd , they really need to forcé devs to make wii u games like a resident revelations 2 or who knows a Metal gear,the controllers werent a fact for me ever, but they need support, i gotta admit when i had the Original Xbox and then i bough the NGC i played mostly gamecube and still there were lot of games that i  regret i missed ,



my Xbox died  i had it like a secondary  console!!  still its cause back then GC has lot, Eternal darkness, Smash bros melee, RE 4, RE 1 remake, 0, and 4, Harvest moon  AWL, Star wars i would love that variety with the Wii u!! they could have it but something is pulling themselves back!!! go nintendo pay to devs!!! strangle them!! XD

edulink
edulink

Pokemon mobile. Make it happen!

StephenSays
StephenSays

No point in going Mobile ( The 3DS )

No point in going 3rd part with your characters and games.  ( The Nintendo brand is still strong where just waiting for the big games. 3D world is what we expect a great game as always.  Tell us when Zelda Metroid SSBU and Mario Kart come out. DK! )  

Yes you are missing SPORTS Games.  EA and 2K,  you need to fix that relationship or  make your own games to compete.  Especially this holiday season when sports games where actually decent. 

Don't ditch the Game Pad, the only people who complain about it are people who have not played with it or seen its functionality.  

$299 with full backward capability is perfect.  This year will let you know how to budget yourself for the future.  PS4 and X1 are barely better and that is just by graphics.  Still haven't seen or played that game yet.  Notice how PS4 is talking about playing PS3 games??? really where going backwards,  I wonder why.

Death_Masta187
Death_Masta187

I think the original Wii did more damage to the Wii U then anything else. people like me who have bought Nintendo consoles since the NES just saw the Wii as a kids toy with a stupid gimmick controller and a shit online experience. Than the Wii U came out and it was a minor upgrade to the Wii hardware with the same shit online experience and an even more stupid controller with shit battery. 

with all that  said I would still buy a Wii U over the other consoles. Because I already have a highend PC and I dont need or want a lowend one for my living room and I also don't want one that doesn't have any good games now or in the foreseeable future for it(id build a steambox if I wanted a PC in the living room). The Wii U might have a stupid ass controller and an abysmal online component. but damn they still know how to make games that are genuinely fun. I have a feeling a price drop is coming soon so I will probably pick one up when that happens.

santinegrete
santinegrete

I once had the idea of an opressive action-horror (kinda Dead Space 1) game for the Wii U where you manage your inventory with the screen of the controller. Just like having to check your bag looking on it, your attention goes somewhere else for a moment, keeping you on your toes. I know it sounds mildly clunky, but if you streamline an horror game it's stop being horror, just like last Resident Evil games. Deliberated clunky design well implemented can be a triumph to game design.

santinegrete
santinegrete

If games doesn't matter to move a console forward, people are more sheep than I imagined or economy is in worst shape than I imagined. Still, I think Nintendo could really use some third party support, but I can understand why third parties don't support the console with more releases: having to port the game specifically to the Wii U isn't as cheap as I tought (thanks to the info other users gave me) and the small installed base is another indicator of how little is to go by with the risky proposition.

devilzzz2014
devilzzz2014

Nintendo find a way to capitalize MS shooting itself once again in the foot with their latest mistake in getting caught paying people to play their games on their latest system and not allowing bad reviews.  Seriously with MS's constant problems with PR since launch and Sony having a ridiculous saved game issue with their console why don't you run some sort of ad saying basically "Our system works.  Our system is cheaper.  Our system is fun.  Wii U, I and the whole world should game together."  Anyway you get it ....

r0nin_x2000
r0nin_x2000

Got the WiiU for my 7 year old son for Christmas and he loves it. I love the tablet wireless video feature so that you can play the games on the tablet. I play it when he is asleep sitting on my couch on the gamepad and it's awesome. I wish Microsoft had something similar for Xbox as it is in the family room and I don't always get to play it when I would like and that feature is pretty cool. Nearly every store I went to this Christmas was sold out of the unit.I think they need a better marketing of the unit as most don't know the features like HD gaming, backwards compatible,,which is huge since no other system lets you automatically play your existing games, gaming on the gamepad....awesome, your existing controllers will with it. You can watch Netflix on the gamepad. I mean it has a lot of features that the others don't but it wasn't marketed correctly. I like it maybe I am in the minority but I think its a good system for what it does.

kenbub1
kenbub1

Nintendo give us one last console before you exit.  Keep it cool, simple, retro.  Ditch all existiing controllers and give us the new Wavebird.  Yes.  A name that a lot of us can relate to.  Think of it as a pro controller meets gamestick.  As for the console, give us a nice looking box like the xbox one in terms of looks, layout, style.  And throw a handle on the side of the box so the kids can be proud as they carry it to their friends house to play.  

As for power, well you guys have never been the power house system of choice, simply good fun games that we all as adults are fond of today.  With that said, simply recycle the now failing system, as it has enough power for one last outing.  Now crown your new system.  Wait for it.  No!!!!!!!!!!  It's the new NES.  And guess what?  If it takes off - which it will - you can name all future iterations NES.  And don't forget Wavebird.  There you go fanboys!  Nintendo may just pull an Apple after all.

Last but not least, lets help the big N market this new bundle of excitement.  First, you gotta suck up your pride and re-capture your street cred.  After all who is gonna want to spend $200-$300 for a re-skined failing system with a new controller.  Give us a $180 system with a good game.  Why $180?  Well it's not a totally new system, so a 180 degree turnaround and price seems fair.  And the press would just eat up the rational behind the pricing.  Yeah for the investors!!!!!  Now big N, here's the key.  We're talking retro system.  We can't bundle the system with a party game.  Got it?  Reach into your catelog and give us a classic game that a lot of people want, but you know it's not a stand alone diehard best seller.  F-Zero.  Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.  And don't take so long to pump out the games.  Sell 6-8 hour episodes at $20 a pop.  



seriousdave
seriousdave

I really hope the people at Nintendo finally get their asses up and start pumping out greatness like in the past. But the worst problem is still and will always be the (lack of) third party support. Even to this day the most praised Nintendo console is still the SNES. The reason? A lot of good titles made by Nintendo and a gigantic number awesome of third party games (looking at you Rare). If they don't manage to attract some big publishers and developers then the WiiU is really doomed. Surely Nintedo released some good games for it but most of them are remakes and ports from older games which you can play without buying a new console. The next Mario Kart and Smash Bros MAY be released this year (gamepot dates smash release to december 31 WTF?) but in times where there is no third party announcing two or three games a year is not the way to make an impact on the market.

masterfortesque
masterfortesque

@GregoryBastards I'm really not looking for new franchises. Sure some of them work, but usually expanding on existing universe sounds like the more appealing choice. Especially when Nintendo has archetypes from scifi aliens to sword and shield fantasy. They really don't need new IPs unless it's something like Pikmin that is just impossible to do with old brands. Nintendo doesn't need more space soldier or knight series.

I feel Nintendo should just push their game studios to make better games faster and look outside the box a bit. Mario platformers are good, but the formula is the same. Mario Kart and RPG show Mario could stretch further. But more importantly they could make a Metroid game that plays a bit like Dead Space, or Halo, or Mass Effect. Or make a Zelda game that is more in the scale of Skyrim, or emphasises skilled Ninja Gaiden-like combat. HC Nintendo fans are going to get angry about games not following the same formula, but current way just doesn't seem to work and if Nintendo released more games there would be more games to please more crowds.

They are making that spinoff Zelda game and that is what makes me worried. If that is their idea of good hack'n slash it looks like they're just out of skill and ambition required to stay competitive whether it's new or old IPs.

MarioLuigi25
MarioLuigi25

@VintAge68 The Wii U isn't a bad console by any means. The only thing it's lacking is more appealing games. While Mario and Zelda are without a doubt great games and huge names, that alone isn't enough to excite and convince people to get the system. Nintendo needs to start making use of their other franchises. Making another Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero game would give them a huge leap up.


But I agree with you. People keep saying that Nintendo should just kill off the Wii U and make another game system, but honestly if Nintendo does that, then that will honestly put them in an even worse spot than they're in now. All they really need is more titles. They can still make Mario and Zelda games, but they need to start releasing titles that will excite their audience again.


Another thing they could do is make the Gamepad optional. I don't know why people are saying that they should just get rid of it entirely. I mean some people,like me for example, actually like the idea of being able to play their games off-screen. But I know that they're some people who don't use this feature too. So yeah, they shouldn't drop the feature completely, but they should make it optional so people won't have to pay so much for it.

rahl247
rahl247

The lower powered hardware just started with the wii u untill then their consoles where on par with any other console. Where nintendo went wrong was with the original Wii it was not high def and the specs of the hardware was bad.

AlwaysRunning
AlwaysRunning

@soulst0p Or it's simply time to get out of hardware all together.

There's one point that no one ever disputes: Nintendo makes quality games. What people take issue with is the ill-conceived hardware, the self-centered arrogance that drives away third-parties, the infrequency of games with nothing else available, terrible network infrastructure, and so on. Get rid of all that, and then you just have quality games. Likely, a whole lot more quality games, with the focus taken away from hardware development.

mr_gibberish
mr_gibberish

@Death_Masta187I hope there is a price drop soon as I wanna get one too. But I bet you any money I will wait for one for a while not thinking it was coming. In the end I give up and just buy one then the next day the price drops!

port_nine
port_nine

@devilzzz2014 There have been a number of things Nintendo could've capitalized on to plead their case to the masses "Our system actually works" is just one of those things.

They're also the only Hardware manufacturer that didn't try to fuck over their customers with DRM and other anti-consumer bullshit.


Nintendo is the only "honest" company out of the big 3 and no one fucking cares.. it's beyond tragic.

seriousdave
seriousdave

@r0nin_x2000The backwards compability is not as great as you think. Older games from the game cube don't work, which was one of the best points of the first Wii. When you play a Wii game you need to start the Wii menu which is more or less an emulator preinstalled on the WiiU. When playing Wii games you need the sensor bar and can't use any of the WiiU controllers. It's understandable when it comes to the tablet but not accepting the WiiU Pro-Controller is very dissapointing. And the gaming on the tablet alone is also quite over-hyped, only a few games can actually do that and the distance you can be appart from the console is darn short. I like the WiiU too but it has it's fair share of shortcomings.

mr_gibberish
mr_gibberish

@seriousdaveI think the problem is with 3rd party support 1, devs feel if they make something for the Wii U it will not be a multiplat game (so then it would be a 3rd party exclusive). Devs want to make the most money as possible with time well spent so they are going to firstly want to create games that can go on any system. Making a Wii U version of that game would mean downgrading it. Those devs will not wanna make a downgraded game and anyway if they did it would not be a console seller. Who would want to buy a new console for a downgraded version of a game? If you are going to buy an expensive console it is more worth your money buying a console that would run the full game not a half version. Also it leads to 2, devs prob feel they would be forced into having to make a gimmick in order to support the tablet which, again is more time spent for less money in the long run. I admire Nintendo for being different and wanting to take on the competition in another way but the prob is the difference is what is killing them. They can only really spend time making their 1st titles which means less games and less of a variety unless Nintendo make up a new franchise. Yeah I think Nintendo have trapped themselves a bit in a cycle. It would be better off if they did actually make a console on spec with the competition. It would mean more third party support. They try to be different and want to be on their own but it feels by doing so you are not welcoming devs in to the field but pushing them away. Yeah graphics and spec power is not the most important but for a business stand point it is in this case.

csward
csward

@MarioLuigi25 I hope you mean a true Starfox 64 successor, not that spin-off stuff. ^^

VintAge68
VintAge68

@MarioLuigi25  Well, I like the GamePad and consider it one of the greatest advantages on the Wii U, to be honest.

So I would not get rid of it, but rather make it a 2DS-like device that can be used standalone so that ideally one can start a game at home, and continue playing it when away (comparable to PS3/PSV).

It is a pity that in order to cross-play games on Wii U/3DS (like MH3U), and unlike Sony's games, one does have to purchase two different versions of the game.

AlwaysRunning
AlwaysRunning

@port_nine@devilzzz2014 Tell that to anyone who has tried to put their legitimately purchased Wii/WiiU digital games onto a replacement console. That's a journey more harrowing than any Zelda adventure.

r0nin_x2000
r0nin_x2000

@seriousdave @r0nin_x2000 What gaming system has two generation backward compatibility nowadays? Also I noted I got this for my 7 year old son. I know my audience I bought it for. He isn't playing COD or GTAV. I considered PS3 for him but he wanted Scibblenauts DC Unmasked and it was not available for the system. Also he has several Wii games that he can now play on the WiiU and is happy. He thought it was cool to play the game on his gamepad because I have his computer hooked to his TV he can use it to watch game walkthroughs while playing if needed and then switch back. Distance his room is 9 ft from my lliving room couch and I can easily play it from there with no issue. He also had a table and broke the charger port for it...cough-Sony-cough so the ability to watch Youtube and Netflix is really cool to him as well. Again know you audience, he isn't asking for the most powerful system on the planet he just wants to play bright, colorful, fun games occasionally on the gamepad if he likes. For him its the coolest thing ever...his exact words.

seriousdave
seriousdave

@mr_gibberish@seriousdave For number 1 of your statement: I'm not so sure it would be much of a downgrade be making a Wii U Game for multiple plattforms since it can still put up something good looking.

2. Yeah the tablet is the most pointless garbage failure since the virtual boy. I have Mario 3D World, Zelda WW and MH3U and the only reason I ever used that crap is because some levels in Mario demand it. Nintendo should pass a note to every developer which says : "FUCK THE TABLET and just make games for the Pro-Controller."

port_nine
port_nine

@AlwaysRunning @port_nine @devilzzz2014 Yeah, their adoption of standard online purchase interactions has been laughably bad. That's more of them being hilariously backwards and behind the times than them not being honest with their customers.

It still sucks and is very annoying but I also never buy games off of their eShop.

mr_gibberish
mr_gibberish

@seriousdaveThey should make it an alternative. Sell it separately for those who want it. Would make the system a lot cheaper!