Is Nintendo Trapped by Its Legacy?

Tom Mc Shea explains why Nintendo's latest game announcements fail to muster much excitement.

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We've been here before. The trickle of new releases has dried up. Release dates that seemed so near have been pushed to the distant future. Third-party developers are nowhere to be found. It's the ugly reality of Nintendo's consoles, and this worrying cycle is on display once more with the Wii U. And as is always the case, just when people have almost lost hope, a light shines down from Kyoto, illuminating the bleak tableau in a ray of blinding white promises. The characters and worlds that you love most, that you cut your teeth on in your formative years, are set to relieve your boredom once more. Franchise updates are on the way, but are more sequels enough to elicit excitement?

A light shines down from Kyoto, illuminating the bleak tableau in a ray of blinding white promises.
A television psychic could have proven his telepathic might by forecasting Nintendo's latest announcements. Coming soon to a Wii U near you are the latest iterations of franchises that anyone who has a mild interest in the industry saw coming a mile away. Nintendo's hallowed Tokyo studio tries its hand at another Mario platformer, Eiji Aonuma vows to "rethink the conventions of Zelda" in his latest attempt to top Ocarina of Time, Yoshi enters a world that looks strikingly like Kirby's Epic Yarn, and Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. add more fuel to the flames of friendly competition. Anyone playing Nintendo Bingo at home would have won with a clean sweep, though a couple of surprises caused a mild stir. Intelligent Systems is working on a mash-up of its own Fire Emblem series with Atlus' revered Shin Megami Tensei, and Monolith Soft looks to be taking on Monster Hunter in another expansive role-playing game.

There's no doubt that Nintendo has cheered up those who have been lamenting their purchase of the Wii U. News has been dire since the troubled launch. A bloated firmware update had eaten up a large chunk of the system's meager storage space, third parties have been announcing games for every system except for Nintendo's, and interesting offerings in the future have seemed depressingly far away. Nothing can brighten the day quite like another entry in a beloved franchise, and though we have no idea when those newly announced games will hit, Nintendo extended a bonus for those in need of coaxing. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, the most endearing of Link's many outings, is being reimagined in high definition this fall. All is right with the world.

When will we learn our lesson? And, more importantly, when will Nintendo?
How quickly we forgive Nintendo for their mistakes. They have pulled this same maneuver in the past, and it's tiring to suffer through lengthy neglect followed by effusive apologizing to make us forget about how they wronged us. For the last two decades, Nintendo has ventured forth alone. Third-party developers have flocked toward Sony and Microsoft, forcing Nintendo to pick up the slack. And they've yet to solve the constant dilemma that has infected every one of their consoles. They simply cannot create enough games to fill an entire calendar year, which leads to aching dry spells while we wait for the next release. Promises followed by promises followed by promises. To appease us a decade ago, those who preordered Wind Waker received a bonus disc containing both the original and Master Quest version of Ocarina of Time. Now, while we wait for Zelda Wii U, we're given a remake of Wind Waker. The circle is complete. When will we learn our lesson? And, more importantly, when will Nintendo?

Nintendo has a knack for catering to its excitable fan base. It has earned that trust through years of churning out top-notch games, so it's no surprise that people are willing to forgive Nintendo for every misstep the company takes. But Nintendo is so infatuated with its history that it seems reluctant to pull away from it, even slightly. They are being smothered by their own legacy, forced to endlessly resurrect elderly franchises to appease the unquenchable desire for the same-old experiences. A ripple tore through the industry when Nintendo announced a slew of new franchise installments. But how much longer can Nintendo rely solely on the same tried-and-true characters to push its products? At some point, Nintendo has to step boldly into the future, without the rope of frayed memories holding it back.

Nintendo has earned goodwill by periodically reinventing its most enduring properties. Mario has been as malleable as he is portly, pushing the bounds of platforming in every 3D adventure he undertakes. Kirby and Donkey Kong are just as flexible. The pink puff can be found in a delightful world constructed of yarn or floating in a dangerous land as you use the stylus to guide him to safety, while his simian pal might fancy the rhythmic tapping of a plastic bongo drum. It's these forays into previously unexplored realms that keep aging Nintendo franchises feeling fresh despite their years of digital work, but they are rare exceptions to the rule.

It's hard to get excited about the newest round of Nintendo announcements, because it feels as though we've been in this exact place before. What can be done with Mario Kart that we haven't seen before? Why should we trust Aonuma's claim that he's going to reinvent Zelda when he has failed to do so in every attempt thus far? Does a new Smash Bros. have much appeal beyond the requisite roster update? Chances are that every one of these games will exhibit the high quality that Nintendo is known for, but that doesn't change the feeling of sameness that suffocates this upcoming lineup.

Excitement is a difficult property to bottle. Nintendo has briefly conjured interest in the Wii U after it had been collecting dust in the months since release, but it has done so by courting the very people who have already made up their minds about the system. The company's reluctance to break new ground has made it appear like a tired relic desperately grasping old ideas, and that identity is only going to be harder to shake the longer Nintendo embraces it. Nintendo has the talent and expertise to forge a glorious future. It just has to trust that it can fly without the safety net of nostalgia underneath it.

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CaptainGamespot
CaptainGamespot

yeah, nintendo is trapped by legacy. not sure it matters. history shows we get nintendo games with their consoles.

jhcho2
jhcho2

lol, everyone bashing Tom McShea over a single review and an arguably rational article. 

When the PS3 failed to live up to the PS2 legacy, sales wise, butthurt cows were everywhere. Now I'm getting that same vibe from the sheep. Everyone scrambling to find reasons to argue against anything which is postulated to be negative about Nintendo.

The fact is, Nintendo could retain all the franchise iterations and still attract 3rd party development on their console. Having more 3rd party games couldn't possibly hurt their console. However, Nintendo's arrogance on this will be their downfall. Nintendo and fans alike, don't think they need 3rd parties. Fans irrationally argue that they don't buy Nintendo consoles for 3rd parties. Might be true for some, but not true for all. A console brand cannot survive solely by catering for a niche market. Audiences must be broadened. That way, you can still keep the diehard fans, and attract new ones as well.

This situation is akin to Transformers fans who refuse to accept the new Michael Bay designs. Now, the movies aren't good by any stretch of imagination, but design choices had to be made to ensure relevance to today's audiences. The die hard fans don't care about the franchise's future, they just want back the same old thing. If Nintendo fans want to ensure Nintendo's place in the future, you can't shut the door at 3rd party devs. Some compromises had to be made.

KommieSketchie
KommieSketchie

"Why should we trust Aonuma's claim that he's going to reinvent Zelda when he has failed to do so in every attempt thus far?"


This line is so wrong it hurts. Last time I checked, Skyward Sword was groundbreaking and it's success caused Nintendo to take Legend of Zelda as a HUGE influence for the Wii U's design. Not only that, but every Zelda game is exponentially different than the last - Twilight Princess is the freaking anti-thesis to Wind Waker's happy and childish themes.


People also need to stop comparing sales now to sales 10 years ago. EVERYONE'S sales are down. The PS3 didn't sell NEARLY as many as the PS2 because the economy is shit right now; many people can't afford to buy the latest game system until long after it's release - myself included.


Does the new Super Smash Bros. have appeal?! Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. Every new addition has added an insane amount of content! The first game included 10 characters and what we now call "Classic" mode - just fighting each character then Master Hand. The second game featured 25 characters, All-Star Classic Mode, a multitude of mini-games (still miss Board the Platforms), the Event mode, and even Multi-Man Melee. Brawl added: a full-fledged story (Sub-Space Emissary), updated Classic and All-Star modes, multiplayer Events with varying difficulty, a level builder (which can be improved drastically in the next edition), multiplayer for the "1 player" games, a better trophy system, a massive soundboard, customization for that soundboard and a whopping 35 characters with third-party guests and long-time favorites (and less useless clones like Dr. Mario and Pichu)... Don't you DARE say that the franchise can't be improved, because they've done it over and over in ways you probably wouldn't have thought of.


pharomarc
pharomarc

The Wii U is selling a lot less then original Wii and N just cut their sales forcast for Wii by almost 30%. So even with the amazing Wii sales figures third party was not there beyond the first year or so. so we can reasonably assume; considering the even weaker sales Wii U; third party support will be almost none existent. We are seeing the start of it now as Ubisoft is not going to take the risk and make Rayman an exclusive for Wii U, they are even delaying a finished game so they can have one launch for all three consoles, a major B. slap to Wii U owners.

Weak third party support+ last generation graphics+ weak online multilayer support+ weak first party support at launch+ weak customer awareness= Wii U

I know that in a year or two I'll probably buy a used WiiU to play zelda and Mario than sell it back after I'm done with the two games.

Mattygreene
Mattygreene

This is a great article and I hope Nintendo is reading. I love Nintendo, always have. I grew up with Mario and Zelda. Nintendo use to be on top. I really hope one day it will return to being number one. I do not own a Wii U and as of now I have no plans to purchase one for a while. Nintendo needs to get back to what they do the best, making good quality games that we have come to love. Please Nintendo we need a new Zelda adventure, bring back Samus, and for the love of God get Mario back in the game.

onionking108
onionking108

I would have to agree with a lot of this article.  I have always been a fan of nintendo and probably always will be, but even I have to admit that you can't forge a promising future by living in the past.  As much as I love Nintendo's classic IPs, they are the ONLY reason I ever bought a gamecube or wii, for the promise of a new zelda or mario title.  These days it's just not enough...I have an family and a full time job, which leaves only a small window for me to play games.  So you can bet I'm only going to spend time on the best of the best.  Nintendo will probably always be successful, I wouldn't bet against them.  But for me personally, I can't justify investing hundreds of dollars on a system that will only provide me with three maybe four excellent titles (and you know they will probably be Mario or Zelda lol).  It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Nintendo.  

Oh and this is an editorial piece (i.e. "opinion") so calling Tom McShea dirty names is kind of pointless, don't you think?  If you love Nintendo, play Nintendo. 

Nhoj1983
Nhoj1983

Nintendo's legacy is why it's still around.  Trust me.. the moment this company releases a zelda game made for the wii U.. the system will sell.. heck if they make a 3d mario it'll sell.  Nintendo actually has one of if not the strongest 1st party lineup available... I'm primarily a pc gamer and I get 90% of the 3rd party stuff from the west.. in higher def and more detail while getting a better frame rate than anything the consoles can muster.  Another CoD will never sell a console to me.  Sony got my money this gen because they have the biggest lineup of games that are available ONLY on the ps3.  The last couple years of the wii also has brought a few goodies which will probably mean (because of the backward compatibility) I'll be buying a Wii U at some point in the future.  Once the system has games... the people will come.. if only because it's one of the few kid friendly consoles left and the mass of people who still love Nintendo's games which are still undeniably brilliant when they try.

Wolflink001
Wolflink001

The article sucks just like the editor who typed it. Nuff said.

DeadlyDonut1985
DeadlyDonut1985

Nintendo, I will never buy another console of yours simply because you have pissed me off repeatedly. When you guys sucked me in to getting a Gamecube for the Resident Evil games I did not even consider that there would be a lack of great titles. I got your GBA with the talk of a US release of Earthbound and Mother 3......another let down. I had hope for the Wii when it was said at its unveiling that EARTHBOUND/MOTHER would be released for VC!!!!! I BOUGHT YOUR 200 DOLLAR PAPER WEIGHT!!!!! When you pull the curtain off a product and start name dropping games you better be ready to take that to the bank.The Wii U is the console you should have made 7-8 years ago. I am tired of high hopes and broken promises. Goodbye

bigmikeOK
bigmikeOK

You know, I used to be a die hard Nintendo fan and while they'll always be apart of my childhood, they have become increasingly less apart of my future. I'm really kind of shocked by some of the attacks from those of you who remain die hard fans. Criticism is a necessary part of life. In some cases it comes from those who hate you and in others from those who care about you. I care about Nintendo but they seem to be disturbingly comfortable with being seen as they game company that puts out sub par technology consoles that cater to casual gamers and children.

I used to wave the Nintendo banner proudly but in the coming months the PS4 and Xbox 720 will arrive and this could spell real trouble for Nintendoland. This criticism offered up I take as constructive criticism and Nintendo would be wise to pay attention to it. Microsoft and Sony have been releasing games with heavy weight attention almost every month and I get that THEY ARE NOT PERFECT but its better than a dry spell that keeps Nintendo fans waiting for months due to the lack of third party support.

The most telling sign is that the sales of the Wii U here in the U.S. has been less then stellar which has been admitted to by Nintendo themselves. It seems as if many gamers have already dismissed this new console as a gimmick that is little more powerful then the current PS3 or 360 consoles. I love Nintendo and I want them to be around FOREVER. Sega and Atari have already lost their places in the console world so I need someone from my childhood to survive. I was hoping for a system that would rival Sony and Microsoft and put them on their heels and instead I'm given the Wii U. With the same old announcements confirming you'll need to have patience because of the same old lackluster third party support. This more of the same approach is a dangerous game Nintendo plays and someday may prove fatal.

Judging by the attacks on any criticism dished Nintendo's way I take it most on these boards are very loyal to Nintendo. I appreciate that and I feel you deserve better treatment. You are the last of your kind who remains steadfast in your support for this long history of the big N. Let's hope that they pay attention to you, me and everyone else for future reference.

Rinslowe_AE
Rinslowe_AE

Why on EARTH, would it be a bad thing to try and top ocarina of time???

How on EARTH, has Nintendo wronged us? And who exactly is "US" anyway?


"Nintendo has earned goodwill by periodically reinventing its most enduring properties."

More accurately, Nintendo has earned goodwill by periodically and consistently providing industry leading experiences through immaculately polished video games, which are as fresh as they are nostalgic...


Who the f$ck is Tom Mc Shea in the big scheme of things?

PoindeJ
PoindeJ

This article illustrates how badly GameSpot fails to understand Nintendo and its fans.

Yes, Nintendo is releasing another 3D Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros.  First off, Iwata HIMSELF said these could be "expected" -- which is why he announced titles like Monolith Soft's new game, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, and Yoshi's Land -- which thus far looks similar ONLY to Kirby's Epic Yarn, which isn't even the same franchise.  And really GameSpot, if you're complaining about second games in a series coming to a console... I have TONS of Microsoft and Sony franchises to point out to you that appear on their respective consoles with much more frequency.

Secondly, yes -- the characters that appear in many of Nintendo's games remain similar.  Is that really all you pay attention to -- what the characters look like?  Nintendo fans understand that it's the actual style of gameplay that distinguishes games from each other, which Nintendo CONSTANTLY does -- even in its "safest" franchises.  Just TRY to suggest to hardcore Smash Bros. players that Melee and Brawl are the "same old experience".  Or that Mario Galaxy is anything like... well, any other game out there.  And finally, about Zelda -- we get it that you didn't like Skyward Sword, but how you failed to see how the overall structure and design of the game was different than the previous ones is just mind-boggling.  Most of the similarities -- specific items, names and characters, and story elements -- are all cosmetic, which is exactly my point.

As a Nintendo fan I was quite excited after the surprise January announcement.  Its timing, Iwata's remarks, and the overall tone suggests they're listening to their fans.  That's who the broadcast was directed towards, anyway.  I suppose what you want is for Nintendo to branch out and expand the boundaries of gaming by offering new experiences to new people?--  oh wait.  It did, and it's called the Wii.

I don't know what you want anymore, GameSpot.  I get the sense that you're just not fans of Nintendo nowadays -- which makes no sense, because you purport yourselves as true gamers, and tons of people clearly still are fans of Nintendo.  Honestly your personal opinions of Nintendo do not matter much to me -- but if you don't care anymore, either quit all the whining about how you miss Mario being "new" to you personally, or wake up and realize that there are concrete reasons why Mario can always remain "new" for a lot of people.  You're clearly not one of them, and the articles expressing how you wish Nintendo would make you happier for your own personal reasons that have nothing at all to do with ME are all getting extremely tiresome while I try to browse your site for news and information that is actually worthwhile.

...Gah.  That's what I get for coming back to this site.  My fault I guess.  I'll just go back to IGN.

firstclassgamer
firstclassgamer

I cant wait til Im financially stable I going to get a WiiU F*** what the haters say

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

Got any NEW ideas, Mr. Miyamoto? Anything absolutely new at all, unrelated to any past Nintendo franchise, that you can conjure using that gray matter of yours? If not, I do suggest going totally software, and leave the hardware console landscape to Microsoft and Sony. 

teknic1200
teknic1200

March 19th, Monster Hunter 3G, nothing else matters.  I'm going where monster hunter is.

teknic1200
teknic1200

@Poodlejumper I play to get away from reality, not people.


Bring on more PvE games, co-op is the way to go.   Less than two months and I'll be playing monster hunter.

blairstheman
blairstheman

I haven't played Nintendo past the N64, but have still been a secret nintendo fan (my childhood was Super Mario Bros/duckhunt & SMB3 what can i say). I have been interested in pikman but alas i have never played it, as well as Mario Galaxy or whatever it is called. Many other games as well just wanted to name a couple. I just dont't understand why WiiU is getting bashed so hard, its graphically sufficient for its purpose, i mean shit take a look at 360 and ps3 they have tons of AAA titles and series ect why do you think the WiiU wont do the same? Its about the gameplay at this point and thats where these guys will flourish, Nintendo will continue thinking outside the box and making different shit (of course they won't drop what made them famous aka mario zelda kirby ect ecct ect ect ect ect ect ect ect). I will be purchasing a WiiU once im done paying off car/laptop and cant wait for whats to come. (would be cool to see RTS games use the Wiipad thang).

Also i dont think Mc Shea is completely bashing Nintendo himself, he does make a few comments regarding Nintendo with positive note its just he thinks he can run Nintendo better than Nintendo can run Nintendo. Come on people, give the poor sap a chance, as time passes watch the articles change from negative to "OMFG-THIS IS-STFU-CRZY SHiT" articles reporting Nintendos Success and innovation. Holy shit i don't think i've written a comment so long. Excuse me while i rehabilitate my hands.

FlameEmperor
FlameEmperor

Some advice, how about writing articles on some good news about nintendo instead of just making troll bait? Wouldn't that be nice? You know there has been  a lot of good news about Nintendo lately that I've yet to see on this site. What? You guys waiting on the next chance to bash them?

RyanShazam
RyanShazam

That announcement got me excited...

Kepora-Gebora
Kepora-Gebora

I will never get sick of Zelda games, or Mario games. If Nintendo keeps continuing franchises, adding another concept and story line to each one forever and ever, I would be perfectly happy. Thats what Nintendo is for. To keep the nostalgia going, while barely keeping up with modern games. If they end up listening to self proclaimed hardcore gamers that want nothing more than shooters that just add better graphics and more complex story lines, then thats when they fail. I play 360 and ps3 for the new "idea" games and "graphics" here and there. I will play Zelda and Mario FOREVER. When Nintendo stops making Zeldas and Marios, thats when i stop playing Nintendo. 

kabloe
kabloe

So frighteningly true! I love Nintendo and I already have a Wii-U, 3DS and so on. I also Have a Ps3, 360, Vita, PSP and so one and what this article said is really true. For the last 2 decade may Nintendo Console keep accumulating dust on them between their franchise release cause that the only titles that have quality and fun that it's known for.  The 3rd Party Dev are nowhere to be found except on handheld devices and they give pretty good game for those system but Nintendo can't get them develop for Home consoles cause 3rd party spend so much money today making one title that they want to have a more polished product that will sell to mass user and unfortunately the majority of gamers have between 20-45 years old and they are not casual at all and we are all on more powerful consoles says PS3-360. The fact are that the majority of us want:

- Powerful Console that keep pushing back further the possibilities (Best CUP,RAM,HDD Computing memories)

-Best Graphics and Sounds possibilities

-Best gameplay support not by unprecised gimmick but by good and precise controlling device.

and Nintendo don't get that at all and that keep deceived me years after years and I still hope for them but soon I'll have to face it and keep my money to get more game for my others good and powerful consoles and that let me go some tears cause I really like the franchise of Nintendo and I really hope they will get back to glory like in the SNES era when they have the most powerful console that time but since the 64 they keep going down without listening to any of their fans! Shame on them if they don't what to have us (the mass users hardcore gamers) they will fell and they will have to only blame themselves to not listen to what we and the 3rd party industries wants!

Please Nintendo get up and wake up soon cause you have more water in your ship's hold than the Titanic!

Metronoid
Metronoid

I liked the article. Nintendo is very slow and only promises games, Retro Studio take all the work. They need to take Rare back from MS asap !

goldensunfan
goldensunfan

If you all look at the blurb of text next to Mc Shea's ugly mug at the end of the article it says

"you can just call him the jerk who hates all the things you love and loves all the things you hate."

How can you take anyone like this seriously. In the end all Tom Mc Shea is a bigot.

Bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Araknie
Araknie

Yoshi it's a legacy? It only had 2 games, why you blame them for doing a third one?

Plus were you put  Lego City Undercover, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon (only the second installment), Bayonetta 2, "X", Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, Project X Zone, Pikmin 3, renovation Pokèmon in X/Y, having stolen the exclusive of Monster Hunter from Sony and many project regarding classic series that are always fun?

What's problem if NSMBU it's the N number of a series when it's fun? In all the internet everybody agrees that it's the second best Mario after SMW so what's the problem?

The problem is blindness.

Ciscod1
Ciscod1

Nintendo Bashing from a gamespot " writer "... What a Shock !!! Nothing new .... Just like their other " writers" like Eddie...Magoo ( not real last name, but close enough )... This site is getting to be a base for Nintendo Bashing... Great for PS3, and Xbox Fanboys ( I do own and play both )... But not very good for gaming in general..... Used to love this site.... I think They started going downhill, after they took over .... GameRankings.... And DESTROYED it....so very sad... We Need Better and More Unbiased Gaming Sites... This one is smelling awfully rotten....

Zurrix79
Zurrix79

Tom is a troll and this kind of garbage is why I rarely visit this site any more.

Hey GS, work on getting your reviews out at the same time as everyone else and you won't have to resort to this kind of crap

Drubee
Drubee

This article is total crap for too many reasons to count.

dogpigfish
dogpigfish

Nintendo is making safe changes.  They always have.  This is a successful business model.  I'm excited for the new announcements and you may have to explain what third party support they aren't getting.  All I see is a series of last generation titles coming out that I'd prefer stay off the console if they aren't willing to support the new generation's technology, which all late developers have admitted they weren't willing to do.  If you want to play a game on the PS3, then buy one.  It's really as simple as that.  

GamerNerdTalk
GamerNerdTalk

I dont understand what throwing HD onto Wind Waker is going to do exactly??

Samus3D
Samus3D

Is Disney trapped by their legacy because they keep going w/ Mickey Mouse? Is DC trapped by their legacy because they keep going w/ Batman? 

Samus3D
Samus3D

 Stupid question... Is Fox trapped by their legacy because they're releasing a new Xmen and 2 new Avatar movies? They release Mario, Zelda, and Smash because it's what the people want.

Bigboi500
Bigboi500

God of War, Gears of War, Ratchet & Clank, Forza, Halo etc. Are Sony and Microsoft "trapped by their legacy" as well? Granted, those franchises aren't as old as Nintendo franchises are, but they're just as worn out, if not more so, because Nintendo pumps new life in to those franchises more than their competitors do. 


Seems like Gamespot and Mr. Mcshea is blind to this fact. With that biased mindset against Nintendo, I have to wonder if they can even get a fair shake with this website in the future?

Master_Hermes
Master_Hermes

This argument has never made sense to me because it's always been divorced from reality. Whenever I hear that Nintendo hasn't delivered new IPs since Pikmin I automatically assume this person either stopped following Nintendo immediately after the GameCube launch or they live in a state of denial.  Since Pikmin Nintendo have added a very large number of new first party published and owned IP to their catalog. The list is immense and includes, but is not limited too:

 Eternal Darkness
 Golden Sun
 Chibi Robo
 Trace Memory
 Hotel Dusk  
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
Brian Age
Endless Ocean
Rhythm Heaven
Xenoblade
The Last Story
The Wonderful 101
Nintendogs
Elite Beat Agents
The Legend of Starfy

Not to mention all the previously Japan only franchises that made the jump to international markets like Fire Emblem, Custom Robo, Advance Wars and Animal Crossing and new "sub-franchises" like WarioWare, Nintendo Land, Excite Truck/Bots. It seems that the only thing tired and in need fresh thought is this argument.   
    

enrique_marrodz
enrique_marrodz

So, Tom, when are you going to learn to play TLoZ:SS at least? Is a shame that the worst players from this site are reviewing games they don't even understand and now are happy critics of every thing Nintendo does. You really should create a whole new site along with Patch. You could be so happy there!

rndllck
rndllck

Dear Gamespot,

Please get non-dousche bag editors to write non-biased news stories and not opinionated fiction. Articles like these make gamers look bad in all forms. 

Tom,

I'm sorry but your an ass hole and clearly a Nintendo employee must have raped your mom or something but seriously dude get a life and stop trolling Nintendo.

Sincerely,

Gamers Everywhere

gregrout
gregrout

No It doesn't look promising. Nintendo is handing us snippets of it's own in-house development, to try to change the tide. The alarming part behind all this is the utter lack of any new titles from 3rd party developers. Tomb Raider has just been announced as a no-go. Nintendo needs to rework it's multiplayer services if they ever want to compete and secure 3rd party development. Huge chucks of developer hours are going towards the multiplayer aspect that is almost a given for games nowadays and Nintendo is so far behind they can't even compete with current end of life consoles. It's no surprise that developers are steering clear of Nintendo. They really need to turn things around here, before they end up in Dreamcast country.     

flipecapela
flipecapela

There's more third-party games for the Wii U than first-party right now, I'm freaking excited about the Wind Waker hd, it not only look beautiful but they will enhance the gameplay. And yes, I can't wait for the Mario, new Zelda and others first-party games.

goldensunfan
goldensunfan

Yet just more drivel by someone who is biased against Nintendo simply because it seems like its the "cool thing" to do.

Tom McShea lost any and all credibility when he botched the review of Skyward Sword which later had to be edited to correct his error.

Nintendo does have a legacy which is something many developers can only dream of saying they have in an age where many development studios have closed their doors. It is this legacy that has made Nintendo successful and why should they shy away from games that they know can and will sell millions of copies? They are a business after all. How many new 'core' Zelda games come out each year for a console? Skyward Sword came out in 2011. And the way things look we won't see a new HD Zelda until 2014-2015.

Compare that to a franchise like Call of Duty where a new installment is released every year. MW3 one year, Black Ops 2 the next, and likely MW4 the following year. Or how about the countless NCAA or MADDEN sports games out there? Every year and yet here we have people criticizing Nintendo of making some of the best games and experiences out there.

Of course its easy for Mc Shea to knock Nintendo when he himself seems to have little interest in what Nintendo is doing. But for someone who does enjoy Nintendo games, these announcements were nothing short of incredible. Remember that Xenoblade and The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower were never originally planned to be released in the states. And here we are Nintendo has allowed XSEED to bring them over and now we get an announcement that another Xeno game is in the works. This says volumes about the fact that Nintendo is actively seeking to bring new IP's to us here in the States. The announcement of a Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensai crossover illustrates Nintendo is actively pursuing more collaboration. If the result of Pokemon and Nobunga's Ambition in the form of Pokemon Conquest is any indication, the result should be interesting to say the least.

Remember all the hate from fans because Bayonetta 2 is to be a WiiU exclusive. What about new titles like the Wonderful 101? Pikmin3?

Its easy to overlook other games that Nintendo is bringing to the WiiU when you focus on just Zelda and Mario. And I think it is highly premature to think that the next smash bros will simply be just a roster update. That is a criticism that seems more apt to be leveled at sports games like Madden. Brawl saw the inclusion of online play, stage builder, countless unlockables, the ability to record replays and screenshots not to mention an adventure mode. It seems like Smash Bros certainly had enough appeal to spur Sony to make its own Smash Bros game in Playstation All Stars Battle Royale.






CodingGenius
CodingGenius moderator

It's all about repackaging the same magic for today's kids.  The fact that their franchises don't interest me as much as they once did is not bad, it's just that they focus on a particular demographic.

xderosamel
xderosamel

So... tired relic, exact place, old ideas, same old experiences, incapibility to reinvent Zelda...

No, what you mean is : same characters, same universes (and yet), same type of story (and yet). Which isn't a bad thing and... every sequel to any franchise on any platform is the same.

So, old ideas and same experiences. Ok, let's talk figures :(console only games / Own productions only / No spin-offs / At least 1 game released in the past 3 years / Starting in 1996 : Mario 64 first game)

(Yes there are of course other series : these are amongst the most popular & representative of the rest)


Nintendo :

Mario : Mario 64 : 1st 3D game in the series / Super Mario Sunshine : graphic improvement & a few novelties but no real change from gameplay / Super Mario Galaxy : True innovative platforming change from its predecessors with gravity / SMG graphic / novelties but no real change.

- 5 main games in 14 years with 1 major gameplay changes from predecessor.

Donkey Kong : DK 64 : 1st 3d game / DK Jungle Beat : ... you played with bongos, need I say more on the "new"... / DKC Returns : nice comeback to the old DKC, and still radical gameplay change from its predecessor.

- 3 main games in 11 years with 2 major gameplay changes from predecessor.

Kirby : Kirby 64 : first 3D kirby game / Kirby's Epic Yarn : drastic design & gameplay change / Kirdby's return to Dreamland : complete graphic design & gameplay change

- 3 main games in 11 years with 2 major gameplay changes from predecessor .

However, if there is ONE franchise you cannot criticize to reinvent itself... it's Zelda !

TLGOZ : Ocarina of time : 1st release in 3D & need I say more / Majora'a Mask : complete change of gameplay with time control / The Wind Waker : COMPLETE grahic style change (tell me what other franchise would dare that?) / Twilight Princess : Again complete graphic style change and new way to play with the wiimote, admittedly not great, but still / Skyward Sword: although better, no real innovations to gameplay or style.

- 5 games in 14 years with 3 major gameplay changes from predecessor .

To sum up, on four main series : 16 games released in 14 years with 8 real gameplay/style modifications from its predecessor.


(Don't get me wrong, I love the following franchises and are amazing games, I'm just stating facts)

Sony Computer Entertainment :

God of War : 1st entry in the series / GOWII : graphic improvement & a few novelties but no change from gameplay / GOWIII : graphic improvement a few novelties but no real change

- 3 main games with no major gameplay change

Killzone : (2004) 1 est entry in the series / KZ2 : graphic /novelties but no real change / KZ3 : graphic / novelties / but no real change

- 3 main games with no major gameplay change

Uncharted : 1st entry in the series / U2 : graphic / novelties but no real change / U3 : graphic / novelties but no real change

- 3 main games with no major gameplay change

Ratchet & Clank : Future Trilogy : graphic / novelties but no real change / All 4 One : true change with the coop mode bringing a whole new experience / Full Frontal Assault : tower defense system changing completely the gameplay from its predecessor

- 5 games with 2 major gameplay changes.

To sum up : 14 games released in 8 years with 2 real gameplay/style modifications from its predecessor


Microsoft Games :

Halo (2001) : 1st game in the series / Halo 2 : graphic / novelties but no real change / Halo 3 : graphic / novelties but no real change / Halo 4 :graphic / novelties but no real change

- 4 games with no major gameplay change

Gears of War : 1st game in the series / GoW2 : graphic novelties but no real change / GoW3 : graphic novelties but no real change

- 3 games with no major gameplay change

Forza Motortsport : 1st game in the series / FM2 : graphic /novelties but no real change / FM3 : graphic / novelties but no real change / FM4 : graphic / novelties but no real change /  

- 4 games with no major gameplay change (counter example of major gameplay change on a car game : NFS series)

Fable : 1st entry in the series / Fable II : true redefined and improved gameplay / FIII : graphic / novelties but no real change / The Journey : true gameplay innovation with kinect

- 4 games with 2 major gameplay changes

To sum up : 15 games in 11 years with 2 real gameplay/style modifications from its predecessor


In other words, on their most popular series:

Sony : 1 new entry every 7 months with 1 major modification/risk taken on a sequel for every 7 games

Microsoft : 1 new entry every 9 months with 1 major modification/risk taken on a sequel for every 7,5 games

Nintendo :  1 new entry every 10 months with 1 major modification/risk taken on a sequel for every 2 games


And you're talking about Nintendo's lack of reinvention, use of old ideas or inability to deliver new experiences?

Nintendo is by far the most inovative one and the less greedy on its top franchises.

Yes I'll agree with you that Nintendo clearly lacks the 3rd party support & the independent studios who deliver these rare unique experiences, Yes Nintendo's main series don't have the stories & the plots of the deeper PS3/XBOX games that make them so great. I'll agree with all of that & related points. But one thing you CANNOT do is accuse Nintendo of resting on its laurels & providing the same recipe over & over again.

MS&Sony's franchises all rely on one single -every game connected- story. With Nintendo's franchises you might not get the plot but you're sure to discover something new every 2 games.

That is why they last so long. Maybe they made a mistake on their consoles choices. You may think whatever you'd like. But their games have always been their true strength, it still is today. And not another one of the big 3 can ever amount to that level of quality & innovation.  

So no tom, Nintendo is not a "tired relic" who is "reluctant to break new ground". It might fail sometimes, but Nintendo has always understood the player's constant need for innovation & has been able to deliver all most every single time. It pains me to see a videogame editor criticizing the very core of the videogame industry and not even realizing it. 

VampireLord123
VampireLord123

To me that whole subject is meaningless because use the same characters and story does not mean that is not going to be succesful. Now days most game have the same recycle mechanics than any other previous games. There is many examples of how gameplay mechanics are just the same in the same genre. They might add something to differentiate between game of the same genre, but basically they are the same. I dont see why Nintendo has to change what is already a great franchise, what is the point of making a new platformer, or a new adventure game, if what they already have is good. The difference between Microsoft and Sony, is that they have the money to acquire more developer teams and work in different projects, and Nintendo does not have this, and they have to work with what is only theirs.

BLKCrystilMage
BLKCrystilMage

I think Penny Arcade put it best: "They should get Homeland Security to take a look at all these PORTS."

Nintendo, I still have a perfectly functional copy of the original Wind Waker. Ditto for Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Pokemon Red and Blue, and Star Fox 64. I'm not going to pay for the same game twice. No matter how many new handheld systems you port it to *coughcoughDonkeyKongCountry*

darkfiercelink
darkfiercelink

I think Monster Hunter Ultimate and Lego City: Undercover will last me till new tittles come out on Wii U