Hotline Miami pirated at 'extraordinary levels'

Publisher Devolver Digital says 2D top-down action game widely torrented; indie title sells 130,000 copies since launch in October.

2D top-down action game Hotline Miami has been overwhelmed by piracy, publisher Devolver Digital has told Eurogamer. The company also revealed sales statistics to the site, confirming the game has sold 130,000 copies since launch in late October.

"It has been torrented to such a staggering level, and given the file size of it, I mean, you can't really be surprised, right?," project manager Graeme Struthers said. "You could pass this thing around on the world's smallest memory stick. So it has been torrented to extraordinary levels."

Struthers said he is not aware of specific piracy figures for Hotline Miami, but regardless, he is not particularly perturbed by the illegal downloading. In fact, developer Jonatan Söderström even released a legitimate patch for pirated versions of Hotline Miami because "he didn't want people playing the buggy version of his game however they got it."

Hotline Miami is set in an alternate 1989 Miami, with players taking on the role of a mysterious antihero on a killing spree in the city's underworld. For more, check out GameSpot's review.

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lokar82
lokar82

It's $5  on Steam most of the time people, come on!  Although the fact this guy has no actual figures to bolster his piracy claim is pretty weak.

nousernamee
nousernamee

I pirated it and bought it because i liked it.. where are people like me in this so called statistic? stop talking out of your A**S.

jos1ah
jos1ah

So his only "evidence" behind his assertion of mass piracy is that the file size is so small??  What a great guy.  He sounds like a recent executive who said his company pays low-level employees below the industry standard because he's sure 90% of them are stealing anyway.

This game was such a buggy piece of garbage at release the developer deserved the piracy.  To their credit they stuck with it and eventually finished a solid game.

tekas0
tekas0

I pirate all the time. That being said I would NEVER EVER pirate something I wouldnt plan on buying after the fact if I liked it. Would you buy a car because it only looked good at the dealers? No...youd test drive it first. It may be "cheap" to you to not want to just pay the ten dollars, but I dont want to waste my money even if its a penny.

gothemile
gothemile

I am sure some pirates have heard about this and since his not complaining they've even gone out and bought it...I hope

tmrtyn
tmrtyn

I totally bought it, hope many more people do too. Also, his attitude about the whole thing was great. 

Graeme Struthers, you're in my good book and will probably see a lot more of my money coming your way if you keep this up :)

arcangelic
arcangelic

Why would someone try to pirate this atari game? lol. I wouldn't play it even if I was forced to. This game is an example of the movie called "Idiocracy", showing that evolution does not mean progress.

fafafanta
fafafanta

i bought because i thought they deserved the money for such a fun game

Rippletonz
Rippletonz

When the national minimum wage is $25/hour and General Electric pays taxes, I'll agree that nobody should ever pirate.  Until then, piracy exists for a reason.  I bought this game, I buy all of the games I keep.  Some thieves just deserve to be stolen from. 

JimmyCos
JimmyCos

They really deserve that, it's a great game and even if they lose money with the pirating stuff their game is getting known everywhere, i must admit i pirated it the first time but then i bought two copies in steam, one for me and another one for my brother.

BlueFlameBat
BlueFlameBat

The Steam version doesn't work properly, and this appears to have been the same for at least two months now. Some of those pirates were probably disgruntled because their legally purchased Steam/GameFly copies ain't working properly!

realguitarhero5
realguitarhero5

We complain about Yves Whatshisface from Ubisoft talking about pirating and then we turn around and get this.

saosebastiao
saosebastiao

I think its about time EA should start buying the pirating "companies" and its "employees", forcing them to never pirate again. That way they can also rule the Pc world.

91210user
91210user

That's funny, the game is really HARD and for stealing the game, they play a really hard and tough game that with that time, they would of played some other game they would of bought. It really makes the 'pirate' a loser at the end of the day and they don't even know it yet. As they say, you don't fool anyone expect yourself.

Arsyad00
Arsyad00

i don`t even want to pirate the game

PseudoElite
PseudoElite

If you don't support small developers like this then don't be surprised when all you get is yearly franchises (Eg: Call of Duty, Assassin's creed, etc.) with draconian DRM. 

 

Yet people still complain after pirating. 

 

TheKeef
TheKeef

Yeah I bought the game. I wouldn't pirate games from smaller devs. Only people who think they are entilted would pirate such titles.

 

Funny thing though. You "pirates" ( you aren't only the people cracking software deserve the moniker.) are loading files you know nothing about with these games to execute the app.

 

Hello rootkit, meet wannabe pirate, pirate, meet rootkit.

theKSMM
theKSMM

I haven't bought this game, but it looked interesting enough that I figured I would buy it eventually, so skipping the bootleg versions that were floating around on day one of the game's release was an easy decision for me.

 

For those of you who are busy writing dissertations to justify your piracy, just save it.  If you're okay with bootlegging a game from a small, independent developer rather than cough up a few bucks, then no argument from anyone is going to change your mind.  We get it.  But don't think your in-your-face attitude is going to make you look like anything more than a jackass to the rest of us.

jerusaelem
jerusaelem

Caveat emptor my ass. Steam gives no refunds. Pirate first, pay second. And that goes double when it comes to PC games. A harsh lesson learned right around the time I dropped $50 dollars on the abyssal turd that was/is Dragon Age 2. Never again. 

 

Hotline Miami wasn't a game I was going to purchase anyway, as I don't often enjoy pissing away $10 on indie games I've never heard of that I may or may not even like. Ganked it, played it, loved it, bought it, and ended up selling four other friends on it that would not have purchased it otherwise. That's five sales from ONE pirated copy. Not a bad turnover, in my own humble opinion. 

iminsanescott
iminsanescott

 @lokar82 the lack of a figure part is a bit odd. i would like to see some seed #'s..

but i guess we can find out by looking ourselves, im guessing total seeds exceed sales #'s

dlCHIEF58
dlCHIEF58

 @Rippletonz 

 

LOL@ "piracy exists for a reason". Yes it exists for a reason, because some people are douches that think they should not have to pay for someone else's work. And the "cost" justification is the lamest one out there - if you can't afford it does not make it OK to steal it. 

 

The ONLY true justification for piracy/file sharing is to preserve old games that the media is failing (floppy/tape drive/etc) or is rare and nowhere available in normal channels. This in itself is a gray area, but it is the only truly noble reason to "pirate" software of any kind. 

razorfett147
razorfett147

 @PseudoElite Agreed.  Short-sighted, self-centered gamers with an entitlement complex.  They all complain about EA and Activisions' big yearly franchises and their inevitable DLC....then champion the pirating of material produced by the very ppl who could fight off such corporate assembly line development values.

jerusaelem
jerusaelem

As a consumer, I AM entitled to get my moneys worth from products I purchase. PC games are a no refund/no return gamble that I'm not willing to blindly piss away my money on. The only dev's that have to worry about not getting my money are the ones that make crappy games that aren't worth buying. 

 

And for the record, the only time I've ever gotten a rootkit from a game, it was off a LEGIT copy of Assassin's Creed Rev thanks to some idiotic Uplay DRM from Ubisoft that was noticeably absent from the pirated version I downloaded shortly thereafter. I trust the scene releases far more than I trust the devs themselves. Cute attempt at BS scare tactics though :D

MohammedMusfa
MohammedMusfa

 @jerusaelem Such a turnover isn't always the case, distributors don't always receive an upside to pirating as they lose sales.......just becuz they got 50 dollars from ur actions doesnt mean they were profited from the millions of pirated copies downloaded.

TheKeef
TheKeef

 @jerusaelem

I stole something, so eventually I bought another, and told my friends not to enage in the same thievery I had as it was stupid.

 

There, sorry your post was full of bs that needed redaction. 

Rippletonz
Rippletonz

 @dlCHIEF58 Like I said, when the federal minimum wage is $25/hour and General Electric pays all of their taxes, I'll agree with you.  Until then, your blind patronage doesn't make you morally superior, it only makes you a tool. 

SythisTaru
SythisTaru

 @jerusaelem Anyone who has pirated a game; any game - is scum. There is no way around it. 

m_bd89
m_bd89

 @TheKeef   Talking about BS, it's not theft. It's illegal, yes, but not theft. Just like it's not rape either, like some other commenter mentioned below. Me buying an album then making copies for friends is piracy but has absolutely nothing to do with stealing. And that distinction is even written in copyright law. So I wish people would stop calling piracy theft.

jerusaelem
jerusaelem

 @TheKeef Actually all that I told them that the game was a blast to play and well worth the sticker price. My thievery and "bs", as you put it, landed Devolver $50 in profit as opposed to the zero they would have received otherwise. I fail to see a downside.

morgan_gibson87
morgan_gibson87

@dlCHIEF58 @Rippletonz Hey Chief, you really sound like a moron. Where as Rippletonz gives a reasoned thoughtful argument that incorporates analysis of the social system that ALWAYS stands behind the production of things (including games), you sprout adhominems trying to attack his personality.

Scarshi
Scarshi

 @St0Ne4Ge  What you did is not piracy. Piracy is people who for those who have no self control and gain illegal games because of ideals of getting something for nothing.

 

What you did is try before you buy. Just don't get caught :) Or as I said, you will have no excuses.

 

Its just a shame that many do not have honor to remember their wallets more often.

St0Ne4Ge
St0Ne4Ge

 @Scarshi  @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58 

I bought Assassin's Creed 2 and it never worked, their support was useless and I was refused a refund. Consequently I torrented Assassin's Creed 3, you know how much I have played it? Less than 2 hours and it has been uninstalled.

 

Not counting the hours I wasted trying to fix the game and talking to a brick wall known as support, did I get my money worth even with both games combined? No, what can I do about that? Nothing.

 

If I can't try a proper demo that I can test performance, try the game and decide for myself if it's worth my very hard earned money then I will find a torrented copy and try it that way.

 

What I won't do is pay attention to advertisements and bribed review scores, because if I did that then the only games on my shelf would be CoD and bad movie lisenced games.

 

There are plenty of big publishers and small developers alike that are happy to lie to us, charge us extra for stuff that we paid for on the disc, charge monthly subscription for no reason, release broken products and escape any form of retribution. Unlike many other industries we have something to protect us from that BS and it is called piracy.

 

Piracy does exist for a reason and it is to prevent that grip they have on our balls from becoming too tight.

Scarshi
Scarshi

 @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58If you can't afford the hobby, find another that is in your price bracket. Give up your other costly bad habits if you need to game that badly.

 

Stealing is stealing and justification of stealing never wins any court case.

 

Being "stolen from" is another way of saying "ripped off, but have to have something regardless and by any means".

Rippletonz
Rippletonz

   @dlCHIEF58 Obviously you're not reading my posts because I've told you several times that I buy my stuff.  I bought Hotline Miami, installed it, haven't even played it yet to see if it works. 

 

Flame me and blame me for society's problems all you want.  I'm a paying customer, I even tip where appropriate.  We're talking about an issue called "Piracy," we're not talking about Rippletonz.  Have fun with your moral crusade, I hope you feel very righteous sitting there in your chair judging people you don't know (especially when you only bother to skim their posts). 

 

I'm not trying to justify piracy.  I'm simply acknowledging the inevitability that when people feel stolen from they will steal back wherever they can.  It's easier for them to download games/movies than it is to download food/rent, so the target isn't always deserving.  But game devs/producers aren't always innocent either, sometimes they do earn the backlash. 

 

I think that if Wal-Mart wants to pursue the capitalist dream and swallow up the world, the least they can do is provide benefits and a decent wage to their employees.  I think that companies the size of GE should contribute the proper taxes.  I think that janitors and plumbers and truck drivers deserve to make a respectable wage.  OMG does that make me communist?!  Watch more Fux News, tool. 

wizardboyus
wizardboyus

 @dlCHIEF58  @Rippletonz I think both sides have their points, but what's the point of pirating games if in the long run it's just gonna make them more expensive and with more annoying drm to deal with..who's gonna be the bigger person in the end?

dlCHIEF58
dlCHIEF58

 @Rippletonz 

 

Wow, that is your justification? Because the "big boys don't play by the rules"? How does ANY of this have to do with piracy of games or any other material? So you think you are ENTITLED to videogames or music because you can easily access them? And that it is not stealing because it is a copy of the original, even though that copy is an EXACT functional copy of the original?

 

And exactly how is it a "necessary evil"? So far all you've said is that you think it is OK because big business "doesn't play by the rules" or "GE doesn't pay taxes" but gave no true justification for piracy. Entertainment is not necessary nor a right. Spout your Karl Marx drivel elsewhere - just because someone else is successful or rich in no way entitles you to their stuff because you want it and can't afford it.  You sir are a lot of what's wrong with today's society where you fail to respect other's property and envy it for yourself. 

Rippletonz
Rippletonz

 @dlCHIEF58 Read my post again.  I make plenty of money to buy my games, I buy more games than I have time to play, especially during the fall release/holiday season.  I have 9 games sitting on-deck for a rainy day (hotline miami being one), aside from the 50+ already on Steam and the stack of a couple dozen X360/PS3 games and their DLC.  All purchased 100% legit.  I'm not rich at all, but video games are my main hobby so most of my disposable income goes there.

 

Just because I'm okay with a little bit of piracy doesn't mean I wear an eye patch.  I see it as a necessary evil.  The big boys don't play by the rules, they use lobbyists and cronyism and campaign donations to make their own rules, so the little guy has to watch out for himself somehow.  Easier to save on your entertainment budget than it is to save on gas, something has to give.  Of course there are a lot of people that just leech without any sort of conscience, I don't necessarily condone that.  But, like I said, it exists for a reason. 

Rippletonz
Rippletonz

 @razorfett147  @dlCHIEF58 Your analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.  If they were to "pirate" my money, they would be copying it, and I wouldn't lose a thing.  Most likely, I would never know about it.  So no, I wouldn't care at all. 

dlCHIEF58
dlCHIEF58

 @razorfett147  

 

Totally not the same thing dude. And as I said it was a gray area, but also note many of the games I would be referring to in this instance are old enough to be well out of print. Many of them would also be coming out of copyright (if they were not renewed) so would be public domain and perfectly legal to distribute. This would also include prototype games and others that may have never seen production.

 

So to save these from disappearing forever, then I can see a justification for making these available - but as long as there is no financial damage to the original copyright holder (ie it is no longer commercially available/out of print) and there is no profit derived from distributing it.

 

A true collector (like myself) will still seek out the original media which will still retain its value. But it would be a shame to have some software disappear because all the original media had failed and there were no backups available for history's sake due to copyright law.  

dlCHIEF58
dlCHIEF58

 @Rippletonz  

 

LOL, you call someone a tool and yet you are the one saying its OK to steal someone else's work because you don't make enough to afford it and someone else doesn't (allegedly) pay taxes? How does that make any sort of sense? Just because you can't afford a game does not entitle you the right to steal it just because you think it cost's too much or someone is making too much money off of it. 

razorfett147
razorfett147

 @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58 And a thief, is a thief...no matter what moral flag you choose to toil under.  Let's see if you have the same attitude when someone decides to "pirate" your credit card information and go on a shopping spree.

dlCHIEF58
dlCHIEF58

 @toshineon  

 

If you do not own the actual ROM (ie the cartridge), then technically you have no right to have the downloaded ROM and are a pirate. If you actually own the cartridge, then the downloaded ROM is a legal backup copy that is allowed under copyright law. 

toshineon
toshineon

 @SythisTaru  @jerusaelem So, if I download, say, a Sega Game Gear game, that I didn't pay for, and play it on an emulator, would you consider me scum then? I'm not saying I do one or the other, I'm just trying to follow your line of thought.

m_bd89
m_bd89

 @SythisTaru Anyone who listens to music with friends who haven't bought the album is scum. there is no around it. If you want to listen to music you better pay for it.

poorboy13
poorboy13

@c905492 alrighty then, so all free2play games are pirated/stealing, because we can play the games without giving a single cent to the game devs. I understand now.

flammable_zeus
flammable_zeus

 @c905492  Actually, if you stole a game from a store the devs would already have been paid for that. It would only be the store itself that would lose out on money. Pirating simply prevents anybody from getting money.

kookykrisp18
kookykrisp18

@SythisTaru @m_bd89 @TheKeef Haha that's funny... Because making a copy of something isn't stealing. That would be like saying that because I took a picture of a beautiful piece of art that I stole it. Good sir, learn some freaking tech skills, and then take an English class - stealing is depriving someone of an original. Piracy in the electronic sense is merely copying. Illegal yes, but not stealing.

m_bd89
m_bd89

 @c905492 The devs don't get paid even if you don't pirate the game. The fact that you're not giving them your money is not the crime, even though you are hurting the devs/publishers. The difference is stealing deprives its victim of what was stolen. Piracy is copying and redistributing intelectual property that doesn't belong to you, nothing was stolen from the victim, the devs still have their game and full control of it. Piracy's closer to selling fake designer clothes then it is anywhere near stealing. I don't see why the difference is hard to understand even after giving a simple example in my first comment.

c905492
c905492

 @m_bd89  

I don't get it, how is it any different from stealing a physical copy from your local store ? Either way, the devs don't get paid - what's the difference ?