Harmonix sues over Rock Revolution

Creators of Rock Band and Guitar Hero turn tables on genre originator Konami with suit over Rock Revolution.

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Last year, Konami filed suit against Harmonix and MTV Games parent company Viacom, saying the group's Rock Band violated patents it held for "simulated musical instruments" and "musical rhythm-matching" games. This week, it's Harmonix and Viacom on the offensive, as the pair have filed suit against Konami in Massachusetts District Court over the company's Rock Revolution game.

Image taken from Viacom's patent.

As reported by Bloomberg, the suit alleges that Rock Revolution violates a Viacom and Harmonix patent for a "game controller simulating a musical instrument." The suit does not go into any greater detail about the violation, but asks a court to stop all sales and importation of Rock Revolution and award Viacom damages and attorneys' fees.

Although 2008's Rock Revolution arrived a bit late to the current trend of musical games, Konami was a pioneer in the field of rhythm games requiring pricey peripherals. The publisher has enjoyed success in Japan for over a decade with its Bemani line of music games, like Beatmania, DrumMania, and Guitar Freaks.

Discussion

91 comments
TheAnonymity
TheAnonymity

i think it's funny...they might as well try to sue the creators or GH too...what a bunch of tards. GH started the trend on a platforming system. but i actually believe it was DDR that started the whole thing though.

ArielAguayo
ArielAguayo

You can't copyright a genre of game! and still I think competition is just what they need! It'll keep them working hard to beat competitors. like it'd be super awesome if a competitor didn't cencore every bloody word that an old grandma might find offencive (i.e. "hell," "ass") then they'd know how annoying we find it.

alosborne
alosborne

They should stop suing each other and just make a better game than the other to get more money. People need to chill.

Omega_Zero69
Omega_Zero69

they should resolve this on who gets the highest score on each of the hardest song on the highest difficulty :lol:

perryrhodan
perryrhodan

Like I said previously, Konami didnt invented the rythm game with simulated music instrument controller. Stop having an orgasm about wich one was the first. The first who pionnered this kind of rythm game with a musical instrument was Mattel with the Intellivision. Know your video game history. Maybe Konami was the first to patent it, but they are just copycat. Mattel was the first with Melody Blaster on the Intellivision and a full sized synth keyboard controller. Nintendo came after that with their dance mat on the NES. Konami was just another follower in the game industry to came with a game and a simulated game controller. Stop telling Konami was the fist, was better, was god, was anything else. If I was Konami I 'll have just shut my mouth since I didnt pioneered anything, but I was just the first to steal an idea from another era and to patented it for my own profit. Thats all Konami have done. http://www.intellivisionworld.com/English/Software/VideogameDetail.asp?iwVdg=54&iwBrn=8

ehuman
ehuman

Strike them down! Make them pay for their sins!

otanikun
otanikun

Why, what's the point, and exactly what in the hell will they get out of this? The original idea was from Konami to begin with, or is it that Harmonix/Viacom or anybody else for that matter, forgotten one simple thing? That Konami released a little something called Guitar Freaks? It was their idea to begin with, so to sue over something that isn't technically theirs to begin with is questionable and moronic, unless I'm missing something. But I'm expecting this to be overturned and the suit against Haromonix/Viacom in return. They aren't gonna get any money out of this and they know it, it's a waste of time, money and man hours against something that isn't true.

DiabloNeonX
DiabloNeonX

Now, this every well could be just legal maneuvering to get Konami to drop their suit. People obviously didn't pay attention to my last post. We don't know the full story behind the basis of this suit. There could have very well been something special about the drums that Harmonix patented and Konami knowingly or unknowingly violated. I said it once, and I'll say it again. Reserve your judgment until more facts are revealed. If then, Harmonix looks like douchebags, then feel free to blast away.

Hitch_Blade_VII
Hitch_Blade_VII

kick them while their down harmonix! show no mercy!.... a holes....

vivendidoom
vivendidoom

Rock band, and guitar hero are sorry peices of games that are a bad idea in the first place. they dont teach anyone how to play, and its not meant to. its meant to be played as a game in a different genre. Unlike the fad, I believe this muse for the audience will go out within the next 5 years. They will run out of songs to use for people to play (as in songs people would like to play) untimatly leaving the "game music" with peripherals out of game. Just watch, it will come.

AuronTsubaki85
AuronTsubaki85

Typical Sumner Redstone, pissing & moaning over something he stole in the first place & doing whatever he can to remain a greedy bastard.. Once a thief, always a thief! Konami shouldn't have to take any of Redstone or Viacom's nonsense.

rbenns2
rbenns2

The fact you can patent such a broad concept as "game controller simulating a musical instrument" shows there's something wrong with how the patent industry operates. Also, why is Activision still able to make Guitar Hero peripherals? Are they not also a rival? Is it a coincidence that as soon as Guitar Hero had a serious rival that the number of tracks per game increased, as did the number of them being original master tracks. Finally, Konami didn't make any guitar peripherals themselves. Besides, RR was such a joke when compared to the competition that there are stacks of them unsold in bargain bins all over. ,

Erebus
Erebus

This lawsuit is a legal filibuster designed to keep Konami pinned under Activision-Blizzard's stacks of cash. Both companies will now likely settle.

perryrhodan
perryrhodan

In fact Konami didnt pionered rythm musical game with an instrument....Mattel with the Intellivision pionnered the genre. WAYYYYY before the others. If you owned the computer expension module for the Intellivision II, you can play Melody Blaster. The game came with a full sized synthetizer keyboard (piano style keyboard) and you played a game "guitar hero" style. http://www.intellivisionworld.com/English/Software/VideogameDetail.asp?iwVdg=54&iwBrn=8 I'm sick of seeing company arguing that the invented a gameplay style or some revolutionnary game when the y have to know their videogame history and be honest to tell the used this game (Melody Blaster) for their inspiration in creating Guitar Freak and all the others that came after.

Jrock7
Jrock7

Konami sues Harmonix and now it's vice versa. Konami should have just shut their mouths.

enix165
enix165

Funny thing is, Konami made Guitar Freaks before Harmonix made GH1...XD

Javier
Javier

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saturo123
saturo123

I'm surprised Harmonix is even wasting their time with this

okassar
okassar

LOL!!!!And the revenue for Rock Revolution officially hits Negative 10 Million Dollars,haha jk but they are losing money over this fa sho'.

EdibleFood
EdibleFood

wow just wen i thought harmonix and activision were cool... konami invented music games... guitar hero probably wouldnt exist if it werent for konami i like guitar as much as the next guy but im on konamis side with this one

Evanrocknuma
Evanrocknuma

Wait damages? Who in the world bought this game? Pointless lawsuit and if anything wouldn't this just sell more rock band and guitar hero controllers so the few souls that play this sad game would be able to? Confusing, pointless. Seriously who cares about the outcome of this suit, won't make a diff.

ninja_where
ninja_where

This is very stupid. So you're suing someone who you got an idea from who in turn innovated the genre and then you go on with that. Now, either the fact that Harmonix is getting way too overboard with this or that they really think they can get away with this. Someone get Harmonix a history lesson over the rhythm genre. I think they were just born last year.

solid_shark88
solid_shark88

*cracks whip* Darn that's gotta hurt, adding insult to injury, we know that revolution sucked and so does harmonix but now there just being greedy.

mkreku
mkreku

The American patent office is the worst ever. Patents are supposed to be awarded to innovations, not ideas! You shouldn't be able to patent an entire genre of games (or music of films or whatever)! It's like Apple and multitouch. Feel free to patent the technology for the multitouch screen, Apple, but they're trying to patent the very idea of using more than one finger on a touchpad. Insane.

Caer_Death
Caer_Death

The patent is way too broad and Harmonix didn't invent the music genre of games. This case and that patent should be thrown out. That said, so should all copies of Rock Revolution. Fans prefer Rock Band and Guitar Hero. Seriously.

Mystoksor
Mystoksor

Agreed, this is immature. In 2008, Harmonix was the righteous party. now they're getting petty too

RD1109
RD1109

I think that Harmonix has no reason to sue them except for the fact that they want to get back at Konami. As much as I love Harmonix and I hate Konami - I think Harmonix is being a little immature about being sued.

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awesomemonkey67

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tidus55
tidus55

this is kinda like adding injury to insult =P i know the game sucked and didn't get as many sales as Konami had hoped, so its a loss there, and now with being sued...thats gonna make it a even bigger loss if they lose =/

imperial_agent
imperial_agent

shouldn't it be the other way around? Konami came up with simulated guitar playing game way before Guitar Hero ever came about.

VenomRitual
VenomRitual

thats like copyrighting all games that are FPS's. how can harmonix even feel threatened by konami? did they not see the atrocious scores revolution got?

GeneralArrow
GeneralArrow

Serves Konami right after what they tried to pull with upperdeck.

GeneralArrow
GeneralArrow

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Ghost_702
Ghost_702

I don't know why anyone would pick up this game really, when you can easily choose between 2 way better ones, rock band and guitar hero.

thebaronmoo
thebaronmoo

"Stop all sales and importation of Rock Revolution" someone actually bought it? Edit: crap beaten to it.

Aegyss
Aegyss

haha i smell the irony.

frogiggy323
frogiggy323

How can you stop all sales when they're not selling at all to begin with?

jawshoeuh
jawshoeuh

I think a lot of you missed the point that Konami filed suit first last year for patent infringement and this is Viacom/Harmonix going on the counter offensive. Konami's suit is just as frivolous and, hey, they started it.

xstation14
xstation14

This is great. Konami is the equivalent of the Ralph Nader of video games. They're looking to get as many sales of Rock Revolution as possible, hoping to get mislead people to buy it as opposed to Rock Band. They're essentially stealing money from Harmonix, and with the exact same design with crappier songs.

-Saigo-
-Saigo-

This is just pathetic! This is the equivalent of pushing an old women out of a wheelchair! Or stealing cookies from a girl scout! Or challenging a one legged man to a butt kicking contest!! I've just lost a lot of respect for Harmonix as a company. Bad form!!

phase4illini
phase4illini

Only one word can describe such action: greed. There is little else to say when considering such a lawsuit in the current economy. Too bad Konami didn't try to patent their original game types so that they wouldn't be the target of such a frivolous suit.

klugenbeel
klugenbeel

That image of the Viacom Patent looks more like Guitar Hero than Rock Band...hmmmm, seems fishy all of a sudden, should Activision be the real one suing? Who care, Rock Revolution tanked hard and it doesn't seem like there is a lot of money to take away from what Konami earned on Rock Revolution...haven't they failed to even ship 1 million units?

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

Dude, Rock Revolution is already selling bad enough as it is. Don't punch em in the face Harmonix. Besides, Konami technically did it first anyway.

anime_gamer007
anime_gamer007

It's funny. This is just like 2 kids in school poking each other with pencils then, they both tell the teacher on each other. Anyone else find this as hilarious as I do?

necronaux
necronaux

Really? What jerks. Like they'd even be around with out Konami starting it all. There's more than enough $$$ to go around. Let the market (and gamers) decide what's best, NOT the lawyers.