Halo dev calls MGSV female character design "disgusting"

David Ellis says Hideo Kojima-approved "sexy" design for MGSV character Quiet is "ridiculous," shows that industry is "full of man babies."

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Halo designer David Ellis has spoken out regarding Hideo Kojima's recent announcement that the Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain character Quiet has been specifically designed to be "sexy."

Asked if the Metal Gear Solid franchise's "eccentric" nature supported the character design, Ellis said, "Eccentricity is a cute cover word for objectification and sexism."

Sexuality in games can be "used for purpose," Ellis said, noting he thought it worked in Platinum Games' action title Bayonetta. However, in the case of Metal Gear Solid V, he said, "this feels lazy and exploitative."

"I like breasts as much as the next guy but this felt icky," Ellis said.

In a string of tweets earlier this week, Kojima said he directed MGSV's art director to make some of the game's characters, including Quiet, "more erotic" in an effort to encourage cosplay and promote figurine sales. He has since clarified these tweets, saying "sexy" was a better word to use.

"What I'm really trying to do is create unique characters. One of those is, of course, Quiet. She's a really unique character. I wanted to add that sexiness to her," Kojima said. "It wasn't really supposed to be erotic, but sexy."

GameSpot recently attended a live demonstration of Metal Gear Solid V prologue Ground Zeroes at Kojima Productions' new office in Los Angeles. Check out GameSpot's impressions for more.

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vannacut
vannacut

cortana you hypocrite cortana... 

thesilverape
thesilverape

Kojima said it was to encourage cosplay, So if this encourages chicks to dress up like this, what's the problem?

ashyblood
ashyblood

I think the Halo dev is the one proving himself to be a "man-baby", crying about seeing a female character in partial glory as if he can't handle it. It's people like him that are keeping games from maturing, and by extension, people like him that keep American society immature where "sex" is concerned. Grow up dude. 

Hobbes444
Hobbes444

Oh dang, half of her boobs are hanging out! Really? It's not like she's naked.

Atolm1
Atolm1

Of course most pig gamers would be opposed to this statement, no surprise there. Ellis is right. This character is wearing a thong on her boobs, give me a freaking break. If i want porno ill look for that. The male characters you only see their hands and their faces and the female is running around in a boob thong. Why even put that on her, lets just have her be naked with a gun, you guys would love that. This crap is so one sided its disgusting. Lets have Snake running around in swear pants with his dong bouncing all over the place and call it even. No you'd find THAT disgusting. Man babies indeed.

CieloPerso
CieloPerso

Mr. Ellis is trying to trick women into sleeping with him by pretending to be valiant.

swantn5
swantn5

anybody esle stop giving a damn about this?

fwiler12
fwiler12

What  Hideo Kojima approved isn't disgusting. David Ellis using the term man babies is disgusting.... and very disturbing. 

CheeseRa
CheeseRa

Ellis is a hypocritical hack who wished he were as influential and important as Kojima's left pinkie.

PlaWeird
PlaWeird

Umm, it's their game, they can do whatever they want with it? Seriously what's the big deal - I'm getting tired of these sexist accusations everywhere. Sexy characters are aesthetically pleasant and therefore improve the game experience.

And before feminists go rage I'd like to mention I'm female.

Vylsith
Vylsith

That's because most gamers can separate fantasy from reality.  I'm tired of hearing how adding an element of sex to a television show or a video game is adding to rape culture.  It's a bunch of crap.  No study supports this idea, and rates of sexually violence have been decreasing steadily since the 1990s when pornography began to became popular on the internet.  In fact, sexual repression is shown to be involved in an abnormally high number of cases of sexual violence.  So if anything, the exact reverse is true.  The idea that "perfect" models are hurting women's self esteem is nonsense as well.  A recent study shows that women are just as confident as men overall, and that they are actually bothered by their figure a lot less than society would have us believe.

In my opinion, America's crusade against anything sexual stems from our puritanical roots.  Sex is bad, therefore showing anything sexual on TV or in video games is just adding to the problem.  Pornography objectifies women sexually, never mind that it does the same for men because that's THE WHOLE POINT OF PORNOGRAPHY.  There's no scientific evidence to back up any rape culture.  Yes, we do have a ways to go.  Yes, there are things we need to work on.  Unfortunately, women are still victims of sexual violence and we need to do everything we can to diminish that reality.  However, in countries that are far less sexually repressed than we are, we see lower rates of sexual violence.  In Europe they can show nudity on TV and do often, and yet they have lower rates.  I like the female body.  I think it's beautiful.  I don't have a problem looking at it.  I have no idea why other people scream rape culture every time they see a woman scantily clad.  I don't want to rape every woman in a bikini that I see, contrary to extremist feminist belief.  I just enjoy looking at beauty.  People need to get over themselves.

anshanlord
anshanlord

American prude.....when did they stop realising that it's their fatarse that's disgusting?

lowerclassbrat7
lowerclassbrat7

Such an American point of view. Sex is disgusting, but blood lust fueled stabby stabby  shooty shoot kill kill simulators are a perfectly acceptable way to make a living.

Jo_Shlittle
Jo_Shlittle

Only a man baby would say icky. Jus sayn.

CPTCUDDLES
CPTCUDDLES

Dude what would METAL GEAR be with out hot chicks. Ellis cant understand what thinking outside of the box entails. He thinks "GRAPHICS, EXPLOSIONS CRRAASHHH KAPLOOWWW" not subtle humor and sexuality in a very serious environment...that takes thought.  DISGUSTING a game not designed for ages 10 and up.

slainta
slainta

I call it disgusting the flooding of blood thirsty FPS games.

And in any case that MGS V girl isn't much different from Wonder Woman decades ago.

4nationfury
4nationfury

I personally think the design was a bit much. I would prefer more female characters get to wear armor and practical clothes like male characters tend to. That said, a female dressed like that isn't disgusting.

camverge
camverge

Sooooo Dead or Alive had a setting JUST to adjust how bouncy the ladies baby feeders were. CONSTANTLY had revealing outfits, pretty sure Dead or Alive volleyball wasn't exactly known for it's great gameplay. Yet, this is disgusting huh? Get over it people. 

wicked_laugh
wicked_laugh

Cortana is an AI with no need for digital latex and boobies. Disgusting.

Gargus
Gargus

Don't like it? Then don't play it.

There is a real problem where everyone feels this need to bitch and whine and complain on the internet over every little thing that happens in this world that they don't like.

If people would stop worrying about what other people think, like or do that they don't agree with, but instead focus on things that make them happy this would be such a nicer world to live in.

Just because I don't like something someone else does doesn't mean they are wrong and I am right. I simply don't pay attention to it and instead worry about what I personally like. I find it wasteful of my time and energy to care about what others like that I don't. Id rather focus on the positive instead of negative.

Its attitudes like his that ruin the game industry though. Instead of people being able to be free to create new games and new ideas they always have to try and please people who would cast them in a bad light.

zintarr
zintarr

Kojima: "But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds."


fzzywarbles
fzzywarbles

Industry full of man babies...ugh.  You hear yourself Mr. Ellis? Sounds like you're crying. Man baby ;) Have your opinion on what is morally correct in video games. Thankfully the industry is full of talented people that can freely design and create what they like. It's up to the people to decide if it is enticing or not. Political correctness needs to disappear...Forever!

3dsman1
3dsman1

Objectivism is wrong, there is no denying that. If you deny that you are saying that it is ok to treat people as objects. A person does not exist to be an object and needs to be treated as just that, a human being with dignity, personality, and opinions (male or female). It is sad seeing objectivism being accepted in society.

FakeMythology
FakeMythology

If you make her sexy they complain that it is a sexist representation and if they made her wear full body armor and ugly they'd complain that it is degrading to woman, you can never make anyone happy and seriously he used the word icky. Also Cortana just decided she was insecure and gave her hologram a couple cup sizes. Pay attention to your own product and that you made a female character "icky".

Maciel_1
Maciel_1

I think that having a girl in a bikini in a game is ok. But isn't Quiet a soldier or something? Don't soldiers have some type of armor or full body uniforms? Ok, maybe since she is a sniper, (at least I think she is) she does't really need any clothes at all, maybe she is being stealthy (I doubt she needs stealth a mile away), maybe it get's hot? But still. I just don't want her to be in a bikini the whole duration of the game, it just doesn't make any sense. Again, it is ok, as long as it makes sense. If it doesn't, please fix it.

Napalm_354
Napalm_354

Uh, News Flash for David Ellis: This is an Entertainment Business, something for everyone. And if that character is disgusting, then why not give master chief a buddy in a next hallo game. Two dudes in power armor will be more up your alley, and that is also ok. But would you mind not spitting in my soup plz.

RandomAvatar
RandomAvatar

Artistic nude, bikinis, songs with erotic lyrics, sensual characters in movies wearing little clothes, all of that is widely spread through many cultures, the plastic surgeries which objective is to enhance beauty and sexyness. I can't believe there still are people who complain about a sexy character of a video game, like it or not that is our culture, where people seek beauty (unfortunately people tend to have a pattern of beuty, I don't agree with it, but there's nothing I can do about). If you see a woman out there with that body and wearing those clothes and think that is disgusting, then please tell me how you'd build the character.

Pie_FOREVER
Pie_FOREVER

But I guess a big breasted, highly sexualized computer A.I. by the name of "Cortana" is completely acceptable, right David?

GamerLegend10
GamerLegend10

I dont see a problem with it, if an artist wanted to draw a sexy woman wearing nothing at all then that's perfectly acceptable yet when a female (nobody complains when its a male) game character isnt wearing much that's disgusting and sexist? ugh people need to stop being so pathetic and getting offended over nothing. Just another ridiculous overreaction.


ashyblood
ashyblood

@Hobbes444  I wonder if that's how he reacts to women wearing less clothing in the summer time. Men who can't handle their own sexual demons and blame women for "being too revealing" are pathetic. This dude belongs in the Middle-East. Be sure to avoid eye-contact, I hear those Arab chicks have some incredibly erotic eyes!

Atolm1
Atolm1

Sweat pants not swear pants lol.

lostn
lostn

@CrazyOldCracker One has to wonder why he didn't publicly express his disgust over that character. It's double standards. 

I mean it would be perfectly justified if one of Kojima's underlings wrote a Twitter expressing the exact same disgust at the look of Cortana. Ellis has probably never watched TV or movies before.

I think he should STFU.

lostn
lostn

@lowerclassbrat7 Plenty of American shows have full on nudity in them. Ellis doesn't express his disgust at those, so I'm guessing he's just a selective hypocrite.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@4nationfury Obviously media tends to take things to the extreme, but women do tend to dress more sexually than men in reality as well as fantasy.  The concept of attracting a mate isn't anything new to the female sex in humans.  We can protest against nature all we want, but it still exists.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@camverge Honestly, DoA Volleyball was one of the better sports game I've played.  It had pretty good gameplay.  I know that's not what it was known for, but it wasn't a crap game that just used boobs to make it sell either. I've never liked the Dead or Alive series, but the Volleyball game was quite fun.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@camverge Well at this point, EVERYONE knows Team Ninja, even post-Itagaki, is filled with overgrown children.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@fzzywarbles His panties are just riding up his mangina.  I'm sure he'll be fine in a few days.

DawnBlue
DawnBlue

@Pie_FOREVER I was just about to comment on this then I read what you said... Yeah, who would admit they have problems they whine about on others.

Justforvisit
Justforvisit

@GamerLegend10 There might be nothing wrong with creating them more sexy, but saying "to encourage cosplay" infuriates me to the ceiling and through it as a cosplayer myself.

As if being sexy would be THE, or the only purpose in cosplay -.-

russelloh
russelloh

@GamerLegend10 Would you be ok seeing your dad without a shirt at the beach, or wearing a large vest but no shirt? OK then! Would you be ok with your mom dressed like any of the new metal gear women? Go think about that for awhile, and think about how sexism really works. 

Vylsith
Vylsith

@lostn @CrazyOldCracker Exactly, he's pretending that sexuality in the media is some kind of new craze.  Like we've never seen it before.  He's just throwing out the same rape culture nonsense as the feminist movement likes to ascribe to.  Nevermind the fact that study after study seems to show a correlation between sexual outlets and a huge decrease in sexual violence.  I'm just sick of the stupidity.  Science doesn't support the rape culture nonsense.  Women are targets of sexual violence, unfortunately, but sexual repression has more to do with it than anything else.

Vylsith
Vylsith

Especially given that Halo had a fully nude AI woman in it.  Hypocrisy is pretty high in this one.

GamerLegend10
GamerLegend10

@russelloh@GamerLegend10 

I dont see how that is relevant at all but of course nobody wants to see their parents half naked,however that doesn't mean they shouldn't dress how they want. It also doesn't mean i should be disgusted by other people dressed that way.

I dont go around shaking my head at girls in bikinis or trying to have paintings banned because too much skin is exposed lol, so why should i be offended by a game character because she's not wearing much?

I really couldnt care less how they choose to design a character, do you think all females in video games should have to be dressed in twenty layers to cover up their lady parts?

Just get over it already, sex is a part of life and its not something to be offended by *sigh*

jcr8
jcr8

@russelloh @GamerLegend10 So just because the way this female character is portrayed makes you uncomfortable means that it's inherently wrong? What an insecure dumbass you are.

Here's how (this kind of) sexism works: a woman somewhere got upset about a good looking video game character, went on her silly little blog and whined about it on the internet. Eventually other women jumped on the band wagon and all of a sudden, making female video game characters that are pleasing to the eye is bad. And little insecure people like you jump right on it. It's pathetic.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask

@russelloh @GamerLegend10 Did you play Halo 4? If so, did you ever vocally voice any complaints you may have had about Cortana becoming an over-sexualised holographic female AI? 

GamerLegend10
GamerLegend10

@russelloh@GamerLegend10

I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, it does and it's a problem, but if you must pick fights then you should be fighting for things like equal pay & opportunities, not worrying about something as silly as this. People who play this game are not going to suddenly look at all women as sex objects just because Quiet isn't wearing much.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask

@russelloh @faceless-mask @GamerLegend10 So, you basically had NO problem with cortana's sexpot holographic virtual AI design? That's hypocritical of you. I mean, Cortana went from looking like a tomboy to looking like a sexpot in Halo 4. But you chose to ignore that instead of getting pissed off over it. Well, congratulations, when the game comes out, and if you wish to play it, you can do the same thing with Quiet!

russelloh
russelloh

@faceless-mask @russelloh @GamerLegend10 I own all Halos except ODST. I basically ignored Cortana's look, and focused on the character. That was easier, because she had been known to me for nearly a decade, and had some deep interactions. I didn't like how needy she was at times, but I feel she had a strong story arc, especially towards the end. If she had been introduced in Halo CE with her Halo 4 look, that would been odd. Knowing the new MGS5 characters as "the erotic one:", "the sexy sniper", etc etc, I just ... that's what they are to me now. The first impression isn't "look at this battle hardened sniper wolf" or "meet the fearless meryl", but "erotic action figure cosplay sexy pants!". MGS5 is a game, right? Not just a clothing and toy line?