Halo 4 pirates facing permanent XBL bans?

Microsoft reportedly issuing permanent bans over "illegitimate prerelease title play"; 343 calls leak predictable, and encourages users to "exercise caution" to avoid spoilers.

Gamers caught playing a pirated version of 343 Industries' new shooter Halo 4 potentially face a permanent ban from Xbox Live. That's according to one Reddit writer, who posted an email from Microsoft informing the user that "illegitimate prerelease title play" has yielded a permanent Xbox Live account suspension.

Pirates, ye be warned.

A Microsoft representative provided GameSpot with the following statement.

“We are aware of isolated cases in which 'Halo 4' content has been propped on the Web and are working closely with our security teams and law enforcement to address the situation immediately. Consumers should be aware that piracy is illegal and we take vigorous action against illegal activity related to our products and services. Playing pirated copies of games, such as Halo 4, is a violation of the Xbox Live Terms of Use and will result in enforcement action, such as account and console bans.”

Writing on the official Halo website, 343 Industries warned of Halo 4 leaks, and said it was "working closely" with security teams and law enforcement to address the situation.

"Piracy is illegal and we are taking vigorous action against it," reads a line from the statement. "We have poured our blood, sweat, and tears into Halo 4, and we want you to have the best possible experience with our game, come November 6. If you’re interested in staying spoiler-free, we encourage you to exercise caution when visiting various websites, social networking services, and forums."

Halo franchise director Frank O'Connor suggested to Polygon that the leak was not very surprising to begin with.

Halo 4 is due out worldwide November 6 exclusively for Xbox 360. It is the first numbered entry in the series developed outside of Bungie Studios and will not feature Kinect support for gameplay.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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hhhhasgame
hhhhasgame

OH.. and for al the media out there.. No one has labeled this happening truthfully.  The pirates are not faicing "permanant XBL bans", just the console adn the account.. The pirate can ( and will) get a new console and account and be right back on within hours... 

wexorian
wexorian

Cracked xboxes were always banned i don't see anything new here also everyoe can Create new X box account with different name, nobody checks that It's Kinda USeless Warning like they want to scare ppl. as For pirate i don't like it neither but there always be pirated games ,music movies but it's  funny Pirated versions are Normalizing Game prices somehow for now.

wexorian
wexorian

just curious how they will caught PPL who pirate Halo 4 on shitbox 360 Cracked one when none of them are using internet with cracked shitbox :D

holtrocks
holtrocks

Well my friend got it from his friend that works at gamestop apparently they already have it so they need to punish gamestop employees.

puffadell
puffadell

hey pirates are awsome mordern day Robin Hoods just look at what they do they take from the rich and give to the poor they share they help people that can't afford overpriced games hey i love them and alot of you people here might not like them or what i got to say but you got to respect these guys they always find a way then they show others the way it hasn't hurt anyone of you guys here now has it then all of you that talk down on pirates need to first take a good look at yourself look in the mirror tell me what do you see what do you call yourself is it a pirate or thief everyone has downloaded something weather it was a small mp3, movie, tv show, ebook, etc...

so all i'm saying is why try and pass judgement on game pirates none of you are any better than they are a pirate is a pirate and a thief is a thief the only difference is a pirate will share and a thief will do it for self so to all of the thieves here you all are worst than pirates i bet your little ipod are full of music you didn't pay for and movies what a bunch of hypocrites and this goes for anyone that has something to say about pirates you all have stolen something but got the nerve to talk about piracy you people are sick and misguided you steal its fine someone else does it they are scum you hypocrites are worst than scum do me and the world a favor look at yourself first before trying to past judgement on others everyone here mods, admins, microsoft, nintendo, sony, and anyone in between has stolen something it's all the same so with all that said who are you a pirates or a low life thief lol wut a buch of clowns point made!!!!!! 

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Whether you like piracy or not, it's the only thing keeping video game prices in check. Believe me if there was no pirate bay and you HAD to pay for games, they'd be over $100. The only reason games cost as much as they do is because we tolerate it.

bomber1992
bomber1992

And 343 needs to find the leak and stop it.

 

bomber1992
bomber1992

They should find a way to lock out the account and the linked console. thatll hurt em.

BadHungryWolf
BadHungryWolf

I mean how dumb can you get!  Oh look at me, I've managed to illiegally intercept the Halo 4 game code on it's way to magazines etc for review. I'm such a technical whiz...you know what?  I think I'll now play the game now ON MY XBOX LIVE ACCOUNT!  LOSING!

 

Me, well I'll been waiting over a year since this game was announced at E3 011...I'm sure I can wait another 3 weeks!

Zloth2
Zloth2

Ban them?  How about calling the cops, getting a warrent, and charging these people with petty theft if they have the game on their XBox?

jpm1276
jpm1276

Do permanent bans really work? Can't people just get new consoles and make a new gt.

mr-gadgets
mr-gadgets

I'm not going to  lie, I get my torrents every now and then, but I don't like spoilers weather for games or movies. i know most Halo fans wouldn't want to spoil part 4 by playing some half assed pirated version of the game. 

How the hell do you let Halo 4 get pirated? 

 

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Any true XBOX 360 pirate should be well aware of the risks associated with playing a pirated game. Especially the risks of playing before release date and certainly with playing online. This is no more than 343's attempt at scaring away new pirates. And it will work for a lot of people.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Hey, how old is Eddie Makuch, anyway? I'm not trying to be mean here, but the kid looks about 9 in his thumbnail pic. And the line about how he "loves extra chunky peanut butter." doesn't help.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

This article basically has 1 sentence of new information repeated several times over a few paragraphs. And guess what; the info was in the headline.

theKSMM
theKSMM

So these fools not only played the game on their connected systems well before it was released, but then they went online for some sweet multiplayer action?  Exactly what did they think was going to happen?

SipahSalar
SipahSalar

A piracy-free world? Screw that.

DespVand
DespVand

Here's what a friend did... one xbox where he plays only original "authentic" games with live connection and all, another he got from ebay for 50 euros that never connects to the internet that he plays... not so original games on...  he tries them on that and if he likes them he purchases them for the other one... so they can ban all they like piracy is a war they will never win... for every key there's a lock and for every lock there will be a key... piracy isn't even the true problem, their pricing and services is the problem...

Hurvl
Hurvl

Piracy is a crime and should be punished, but the punishment should fit the crime and I wonder if a ban is hard enough. At least they're doing something.

 

The piracy issue and people's opinions about it are complicated. Some pirates/those who support piracy might say: "If you didn't want us to pirate it, you should have protected it better" (excellent reasoning which completely justifies theft/sarcasm). The consequence of piracy then leads to DRM, which annoys both paying and pirating gamers. Some pirates/those who support piracy then say: "Damn, I hate this DRM bullsh*t! I'm gonna pirate it just because it has DRM". The companies could then say: "If you didn't want us to add DRM, then you shouldn't have pirated it." The companies' "If you didnt..." reasoning makes much more sense than the pirates' argument, but no one, paying or pirating gamer, acknowledges that (or perhaps it's drowned under the raging pro-piracy comments). Anyway, DRM seems useless, but if there was no DRM (if it was removed or never added), pirates would simply say "If you didn't want us to pirate it, you should have protected it better" and the vicious cycle begins anew.

Jake518
Jake518

 @hhhhasgame So it will cost them more than it would if they paid for the game legally.

hhhhasgame
hhhhasgame

 @holtrocks

 I work at a game store... Nowhere inteh US has received it yet. Not untill Next weekend at the earliest...

TigusVidiks
TigusVidiks

 @puffadell they don't do it because they "want to help people that don't have money to pay for overpriced games".    They do it, mainly to show off to others in their communities that they CAN do it, better and faster than the rest.  If you think it's more than that, your delusioned.

Lhomity
Lhomity

 @Stabba_The_Kutt You pulled that out of thin air. Not being able to afford $60 for a game is not an excuse to pirate, and no, $60 for a game is not greed. Most people who spend $60 on a game, do so because they value and appreciate games, and the time, money and effort that goes into making them. The cost of development and the size and demands of the demographic are the reason games cost as much as they do. You can apply the same thing to cars, toasters, microwaves, paint, bread etc.

venasque
venasque

 @Stabba_The_Kutt I agree with your last sentence but not the rest.  Prices are set by what the majority are willing to pay.  Piracy is a separate issue.  It's those who don't pirate and do buy new games that are voting with their dollars on what they will or will not tolerate.  This is all commerce works outside of video games.

theKSMM
theKSMM

 @Zloth2 Actually if they discover a "source" for the leak, they may well pursue legal action.  I doubt it's worth trying to pursue every individual, but they may choose to shut the "dealers" down to send a strong message.This is one of the things that makes playing a bootleg game on your XBOX Live account so stupid.  They know who you are and where to find you...you signed up for this service, for goodness' sake!

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Ya great idea! And how bout anybody who's ever burned a cd or copied a tape or watched a downloaded movie, or had a bunch of friends over to play a rented movie for them. Or better yet, how bout somebody who lends their games to friends to play when they're done with them. But why stop there, how bout anybody who's ever borrowed a book from a library. Heck lets just start burning books altogether and we'll create this super awesome regime. We just need a leader with an awesome half-moustache in the middle of his lip. Then we need to think of a cool logo for our new regime...maybe like 2 interlocking Z's turned sideways...wait I think this might have been done before.

venasque
venasque

 @jpm1276 But that doesn't make a lot of sense does it.  What costs more.  A single game, or a new console and XBL membership? 

 

Also any Arcade games and DLC purchased under the gamertag will be lost as well (unless they want to play offline). 

 

Not to mention the cost of time.  Any achievements earned on the banned gamertag will be lost and have to be unlocked again. 

 

If anyone planning to pirate the game doesn't think any of that matters, *shrug* that is fine, but for me that wouldn't be worth the risk.  Not for a single game.  Not for $60 saved. 

Halo4fan117
Halo4fan117

 @blastmaster2k2 Dude, really? Halo 4 shalt be totally awesome u idiot why would u say that u wanted it to fail?

Halo4fan117
Halo4fan117

 @blastmaster2k2 Dude, really? Halo 4 shalt be totally awesome u idiot why would u say that u wanted it to fail

venasque
venasque

 @blastmaster2k2 You're right, I've heard them say many times, on record, that "cheaters are alright".  I believe Frank even had it tattooed on his arm.  In fact, so strong is their belief in this motto, that the first 10,000 cheaters in the game will receive all the DLC for free.  And not just for Halo 4 but for every Microsoft game ever made until the end of time. 

yoohoo94
yoohoo94

 @blastmaster2k2 So because they do not have "as much passion," according to you, in stopping cheaters as they do pirates, they must think that cheaters are alright and pirates are not, and so because of this unbased accusation the game should fail? First off, please explain to me what you mean by "cheaters," what your plan would be in stopping these "cheaters," how Microsoft does not have "much passion" in stopping them and what that passion would look like, and what the connection between Microsoft choosing to ban players because they pirated copies of an unreleased game and that 343 Industries' game should fail because of it is please. Thank you.

theKSMM
theKSMM

 @mr-gadgets Agreed on the spoilers part, whether it's games, movies, or TV shows.  And it's extra difficult for me because I'm not the type that usually gets games or sees movies/TV shows as soon as they are released.  So I have to be real careful whom I talk to and which sites I visit if I don't wanna know too much.

theKSMM
theKSMM

 @DespVand If your friend can afford to buy a second console -- even a used one -- then I'm guessing that he can afford to buy games legitimately.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

I disagree. Piracy shouldn't be PUNISHED. People who make legitimate purchases should be REWARDED.

 

Furthermore, sites like pirate bay should have to donate a significant portion of their profits to some sort of an industry recognition fund, which would allow developers to see a bit of money from their own pirated software. I know this isn't a perfect solution, but pirates are going to pirate, and the developers are the ones who deserve the $$. Unfortunately, they see such a small portion of the proceeds even from what you would call legitimate sales, so don't expect money grubbing industry executives to make any concessions any time soon.

hhhhasgame
hhhhasgame

 @Jake518  @hhhhasgame

 Won't "cost them" a bit. I'm sure with all the cash they save by obtaining the games online and either burning to blank media, external devices, and what they make of of selling these games to others who have modded systems, I'm sure they're up a dollar or 2 inthe long run.

puffadell
puffadell

some do it for efame but those guys you call hackers my friend that also pirate, and don't get it twisted not all pirates are hackers and not all hackers are pirates. hackers just open the door while the pirates get what they want.

pirates help pirates take it how you want to bud but in that world those guys help one another

TigusVidiks
TigusVidiks

 @venasque  @jpm1276 a membership for a month?? The game costs more.  A console? After   5+ years of maerket, it's not uncommon for many to have more than 1 console.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Umm, I don't think you've done the math right.

Lets say you bought your console for $250 and you purchase 10 games a year and have been gaming for 4 years:

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10 x $60/game = $600

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$600 x 4 years = $2,400

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$2,400 - $250 = $2,150 saved. Not $60.

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Now I'm not condoning piracy, but when you do the math correctly, it creates a pretty compelling argument. And it also demonstrates that the software is incredibly overpriced. Especially when you consider the cost to make a game versus the cost to make a blockbuster Hollywood movie and then consider the cost of a new Bluray Movie vs a new game.

killacam3201
killacam3201

 @venasque  @jpm1276 You can buy 360 systems for under the price of a game if you know where to look. XBL memberships have loop holes. 

 

Arcade games n dlc you can transfer to a new profile regardless if it was banned. 

 

Achievements can be hacked. 

 

Hackers/Modders don't care. And most have money to buy another system. spending 200-300 dollars on a new systems to mod is cheaper than continuously buying games at 60 dollars.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Like I said, its a calculated risk. All things considered, to many of these people, they still feel that they have come out on top.

Stabba_The_Kutt
Stabba_The_Kutt

Based on what he wrote, it sounds like his buddy DOES buy games legitimately. He 'tests' them first on the modded system, then IF THEY ARE WORTHY of $60, he purchases them for thorough enjoyment on his unmodded system.If the alternative is not buying games at all for fear of getting a bad game, I'd say that this is GOOD for the industry. Besides, they've already proven that second hand game sales hurt the industry worse than piracy, so would you rather his friend did that?

puffadell
puffadell

 @VenatorcruiserI never once said it was OK just for the record my friend and let me say this piracy is piracy no matter what it is all i was saying is look at yourself first and sure alot of people download some media legally but i will tell you this that is a very small % of people and i'm sure that same small % of people have pirated something and don't get me wrong piracy hurts just not games, music, movies, etc... but with that said someone who has pirated a song is no better than someone who has pirated a game.

Now let me ask you this what are you a pirate or a thief you can say you have never stolen anything but we all know better my friend you have media you didn't pay for most likely music am i right you have a computer with a burner i assume have you ever burned a cd lol sure you have have you ever watched a bootleg movie sure you have i guess it is ok for you to do it you can take what ever you want and it's kool as long as it is not a game piracy is piracy stealing is stealing now who are you pirate or thief  

venasque
venasque

 @Stabba_The_Kutt Dude you don't have to sell me on the concept.  I agree with you, I think it's stupid to pirate and risk so much for so little gain.

venasque
venasque

 @killacam3201  Sorry man I don't buy into that way of thinking.  That sort of thing is done by the minority (the exception) but the majority that pirate will only be thinking about the immediate gains and not any long term loses.  Besides even if one CAN do all that, doesn't mean everyone feels it's WORTH doing all that.  A person's time has value too.

 

Also you contradicted.  You start by saying a person can get a system for under $60 (0.o) and then finish by saying spending $200-$300 on a new system is better than numerous games at $60.   

theKSMM
theKSMM

 @Stabba_The_Kutt First, there are too many demos available for me to believe that anyone needs to bootleg a game in order to "test" it these days.

 

Second, buying bad games is part of the risk of gaming.  It's part of the reason that review sites like this one do so well.  I'm less interested in what any individual thinks of a game than I am about getting an overall impression of the game.

 

Third, I haven't seen any proof that used games are hurting people's bottom lines.  I've seen lots of bellyaching about it, but nothing that I see as proof of it.  My guess is that bootlegging (read, potentially infinite copies) takes a much bigger bite out of the bottom line than second-hand sales (read, finite copies).

 

Finally, I should have put every mention of the so-called "friend" in quotation marks.  We all know that there's no "friend" here.

 

PS -- Ultimately I don't care what any one person does.  I just don't see the point of trying to justify bootlegging as good for the industry.