Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain two different games

Konami confirms Ground Zeroes will be prologue to Phantom Pain; platforms not specified.

Hideo Kojima yesterday officially announced Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, suggesting the game was The Phantom Pain and Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes combined.

As it turns out (via Siliconera), they are two distinct titles.

"Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are two separate games," a Konami representative told GameSpot today. "Ground Zeroes will actually be a prologue to The Phantom Pain, and that's all we can share at this time."

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is confirmed for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, though platforms for Ground Zeroes have not been specified. It is also unclear if both games will be bundled in the same package or offered as two different releases. Release dates also have not been divulged.

Longtime Snake and Big Boss voice actor David Hayter has not been asked to reprise his role in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.

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jpfortes
jpfortes

Hey guys am i here the only one seeing the big difference in terms of graphics between the phanton pain and ground zeroes? Ground zeroes looks a lot better speacially in effect, pay attention to textures and fire effects...i can believe that the phanton pain runs on ps3 and x360, but sorry i cant agree that ground zeroes is for this generation. That reminded me of the frist killzone 2 for ps3, that was incredibly amazing but the game released was a shit compared to that. Lets wait and see what comes out

Evil_Rage
Evil_Rage

There's absolutely no reason why these games could not be released on PC.  PCs nowadays are more than capable of running this game. PCs could have easily run Metal Gear Solid 4 back then, and probably on the maxed settings now, even at 2560x1600.  What is wrong with making a PC version of these games? An open world Metal Gear Solid game, and no confirmation of a PC release?

keenj41
keenj41

I don't mind them being released separately, Kojima said that they will both be open world games. Ground zeroes will be an introduction into that open world with (I am assuming) a little less story and smaller missions like in Peace Walker  to give you a chance to explore the world and focus on game play. Then when Phantom Pains comes out Kojima said it will open up the current world into a much bigger world, and (again I'm assuming) it will be the more story driven portion with a huge open world that gives you much more freedom than previous games did in what missions you will do and how you will do them. I think it's an awesome new idea for an MGS game. I'm not usually a fan of open world games but if anyone can do it right it's Kojima.

emoja
emoja

is that really kiefer sutherland voice acting for the badaged guy? he should have been snake :(

luizferrarezzi
luizferrarezzi

when Kojima tell hes going to reinvent the series i hope hes talking about taking a more realistic aproach cutscenes and no more over the top cutscenes like Snake jumping over a rocket in a backflip or Raiden breaking the laws of physics.

Towkuttaa
Towkuttaa

Ever since they announced the title I've been convinced "Ground Zeroes" refers to the birth of Solid and Liquid.  This along with EVA, zero, etc. would be the center storyline of the Ground zeroes while Phantom Pain fast forwards 9 years to find a young solid snake sent on a sneaking mission by the very system that big boss is out to destroy.  Poor solid snake was always just a pawn by the patriots while Big Boss, Solidus and Liquid knew what the hell was going on.    

blazinpuertoroc
blazinpuertoroc

they've confirmed that both games are coming out in a single package. They should update this.

Gojilord
Gojilord

I think it's just a mistranslation.

Trender_man
Trender_man

is this just an excuse to charge us double

AuronAXE
AuronAXE

Maybe they mean like, Ground Zeroes is a prologue in the sense that it's like the Tanker chapter of MGS2.

Are they actually making two games?

ZombieShowdown
ZombieShowdown

ok so metal gear revangance,phantom pain and ground zero WTF! they lost me how are they able to make 3 full blown games in verry short gaps?!!!!!!!!!1

has3210
has3210

Cmon show some PC love

pez2k_
pez2k_

Has anybody else noticed the one common theme running through the Phantom Pain trailers? Ishmael, a missing limb, a quest for vengeance (against Cypher)... and a giant whale. The fake studio name wasn't a coincidence.

Perhaps the 'taboo' Kojima has been talking about is mental illness - Big Boss' obssession with The Boss and Cypher could push him over the edge to the madman of Outer Heaven. Instead of being killed by his own harpoon however, he's killed by his own DNA, Solid Snake...

hairyman13
hairyman13

i read today....a rumour, and i think its old news, but the new voice of big boss could be kiefer sutherland, and if true i dont how to feel about that.. will his do he 24 loud whisper lol

Assassin_M85
Assassin_M85

Im more excited about the engine than anything else. More developers should use this!

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

Two games in development at once.... I hope they can handle it, and that they make a game they feel good about releasing.

jameson425
jameson425

looked at the pic for the article thought it was for TC Splinter Cell... I feel dumb

hydrobeast
hydrobeast

I want to know is solid snake in this and if he is how is that so since the Les Enfant Terrible project started when he fell into the coma.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

Already very confused. Metal Gear Solid is back, people! :-)

babylovespie69
babylovespie69

Kojima said during the tec demo that both ground zero and the phantom pain is one game..they both add up and create MGS 5, its all one game  

clockworkengine
clockworkengine

Hayter himself has been a meta-character inside the mgs mythos, officially. Perhaps Hayter is going to start voicing him differently. Lol!

Angelsoft717
Angelsoft717

They'll probably have both come out separately, with a small time inbetween, or at the same time. Options to buy for 60$ singularly, or a bundle of 2 for like 100$ 

PlutonicPoem
PlutonicPoem

So they even launch one and they already announcer two games??  Weird 

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

I think the whole thing is intentional deception by Kojima. He does that. He said before misleading trailers are important, and in retrospect with  the GDC official reveal, you can see why he said that. Hideo is a damn troll and he knows it. I'm sure that they are the same game.

ShadowOfKratos
ShadowOfKratos

Strange that I'm not seeing anyone complaining about both these 2 games being developed (and hence, most likely will be released) at the same time.

If it was Assassin's Creed, the comments section would be fired up about it.

I don't like where this is going.

Why don't they finish up the prologue first, and then work on the next game?

hydrobeast
hydrobeast

since this snake is not voice by David is it possible that this could be a fourth clone or some kind of copy cat look alike.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

Where is Snake? Snake!? SNAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ba da da duh, da da dun chhhhh. Seriously David Hayter is Snake and if this is solid snake in either of these games it must be David or gtfo. I want confirms.

Aim4theheads97
Aim4theheads97

The man Kojima is controlling in this Demo can't be Big Boss, he does not have any visible snake scar in remembrance to The Boss in MGS3

manoogian
manoogian

I think these games will chronicle big boss's downfall as a "hero" and turn him into the mercenary we know from the original Metal gear games. I can't wait though... Metal gear solid 1 is the best game of all time to me. And I say that after playing the series for the FIRST time only a couple years ago. I turned to Ps3 a long time ago because I got sick of paying for Xbox live. :)


Grenadeh
Grenadeh

I still don't understand two things:

1) Why the HELL is MGS5 not a next-gen game? Why? No seriously why. This begs several questions. 

a) If it is on 360, then the game can't be as full of movies as MGS4 because you're obviously not fitting 48gb onto an Xbox disc. So, does that mean this game is actually going to be a game and not a movie with some gameplay intermissions between acts?

b) How are they pumping the hardware on the current consoles enough to actually support the FOX Engine? Even if you look closely at PS3 games, they mostly look like crap (to a PC gamer anyway). Some of them like Uncharted are very pastel heavy and the PS3 can barely handle the great looking games already on it - it struggles and I sit and watch it happen.

2) Why, if it is going to be multi-plat, are they not finding some way, somehow - if it's even possible - to get MGS4 on 360? I think they underestimate the desire of collector-type gamers to keep their franchises together on a system. For example, all of my Assassin's Creed games are on 360. I also have them on PS3 but don't play them on that. All my Dead Space are on 360, or for example, all my Darksiders or whatever.

I just don't see the reason to limit the game by putting it on 360. MGS5 can not do the franchise any justice if it is mired by the restrictions that come with making a game multi-plat. MGS2 3 and Peacewalker play fine on 360, yea, but we're talking about a current game. You have to use MGS4 as a reference point because how could they possibly think it's a good idea to make a game any less than MGS4? I'm a hardcore Xbox defender, but I won't ignore the reality of it. I own both, and while my MGS HD collection is on 360, my MGS4 and Rising Revengeance are on PS3 and I prefer my MG stays there.

CRAPCOM1926
CRAPCOM1926

So 2 games???? WTF?? Ok but the 2 for the same year and generation? thats quite nice. I should be happy for More metalgear but i am not, i am not sad either. Maybe i just dont give a damm anymore. Also David Hayter IS SNAKE.


Big Boss is The Original SNAKE, SOLID IS A CLONE, A COPY and INFERIOR COPY ( remenber he has the worst dna from big boss, Liquid has the Bests and Solidus has a Balance between them) Solid Resemble Big boss in hes young ages 20-35 and Solidus Hes Older Day 40-60


David atleas has to do hes voice for one more game. I also Didnt like hes voice in MGS4 and if u people say that with age the voice change them Why OLD SNAKE Has The same Voice?

ObeseChipmunk
ObeseChipmunk

Will Hayter atleast be in Ground Zeroes? Kojima always pulls these fast ones before release that everyone gets upset about but ends up loving and understanding after they play the game, but no David Hayter??? I don't think I can handle this one...

hairyman13
hairyman13

if kojima and hayter arnt trolling as kojima loves to do so.... i will be so disgusted in hideo, ok so we give all the praise for the mgs series to kojima, but its david who brings snake to life through that iconic voice hes done for so long and if anything hideo needs to acknowledge that.... and as a massive mg an mgs fan for a long time now if i find out mr hayter has just been dropped.. all us fans should show anger in a way that must be heard, and eg is the new splintercell.. ubi just changes voice actors and we a suppost to accept that, sorry but nope... were as ubi could of made these changes with a reason.. oh i dunno sam fisher retires but becomes the handler of the new agent, being the person telling us the player mission objectives etc adleast that way we would have had a reason not just... YOU KNOW THAT ICONIC VOICE OF YOUR FAV CHARACTOR YOU HAVE COME TO LOVE, HES GONE.. "WHY..??" JUST BECAUSE....sorry but thats not good enough.. take the new dmc of late, loyal fans were furious... i understand a reboot changes to new series can be made, but with mgsV is a continuation of a ongoing series... so to me sorry but its just not acceptable :(

Superzone
Superzone

I still want to know why David Hayter isn't voicing Snake.  That is massively upsetting.

bochog3
bochog3

On the trailer, is that Ocelot on the Horse with snake?, if yes its kind of confusing Ocelot was younger than Big Boss on MGS3 , how come looks older? Could he be a Clone?

bochog3
bochog3

Changes most of the times are always for the best, i think is the same as happened with Splinter cell blacklist when Michael Ironside is not gonna voice Sam Fisher , cause they are doing the voice along with the Mo-cap and its impossible for the aged Michael.

AlexFili
AlexFili

 If one of them makes it to Wii U I will be very happy

timdogg42069
timdogg42069

Guess it's time to milk this series now just like Assassin's Creed, 3 Metal Gear games back to back to back, GREAT!!!  But of course there's gonna be a lot of people that are ok with this now, gamers are so weird.

abroche
abroche

ok so Ground zeroes -is the events after peace walker 3 to 5 years i guess  and Phamton pain i have no freaking clue because phyco mantis is a child if we dated by the time he burn the village where he grew up

BelaidKL
BelaidKL

Please bundle into the same package... Or release both of them at a reasonable price.. If it's £40 per game then.. Well.. I'm gonna be broke let's just say that

USAPATRIOT21
USAPATRIOT21

Hopefully they get rid of Akiba. He can go poop his pants at home.

ADO300
ADO300

so is this going to be that episodic MGS, that Kojima was talking about?

ammar1234
ammar1234

I feel like mgs 2 that kind of prologue when u play sold snake then switch to raiden to play the story .... In the last trailer they showed a footage of ground zeros too

RFT-23
RFT-23

Phantom Pain was demonstrated with a PC specs that day.... Maybe the Ground Zeroes is for the Current Gen and Phantom pain is for the Next Gen. 

toddx77
toddx77

Could this be the taboo Kojima was talking about?  Remember how he said what he was going with Ground Zero was considered taboo and he was surprised it was even being published?  Maybe the idea of releasing a prologue and then the game or something along those lines was the taboo?