Grand Theft Auto IV powered by Table Tennis engine?

Source: [UPDATE] A Total Video Games piece that referenced, but did not link to, this MTV interview... The official story: Grand Theft Auto publisher Rockstar Games had not responded to requests for comment as of press time. What we heard: When Electronic Arts bought Criterion Games in July 2004,...


Source: [UPDATE] A Total Video Games piece that referenced, but did not link to, this MTV interview...

The official story: Grand Theft Auto publisher Rockstar Games had not responded to requests for comment as of press time.

What we heard: When Electronic Arts bought Criterion Games in July 2004, it did more than add the Burnout extreme-racing franchise to its game garage. The Guildford, UK-based developer is also the creator of the RenderWare engine, which powers many games published by EA rivals--games such as Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Take-Two Interactive, owner of Rockstar, must have been less than thrilled when EA bought Criterion, as the purchase meant it would have to pay royalties to its archrival for each GTA game sold.

Given the royalty conundrum and the desire for cutting-edge graphics, many assumed that the next GTA would be based on an all-new engine. So when word began to spread that MTV was saying GTA IV would be based on RAGE, industry watchers nodded approvingly. After all, the technology--which stands for Rockstar Advanced Game Engine--was developed in-house at Rockstar, meaning no royalty payments to third parties would be necessary. Furthermore, Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis shows that RAGE is capable of both impressive graphics and physics, two areas that drew fire from GTA detractors.

But as logical as the TVG story sounded, it could not be verified as of press time. Neither of the game sections on the US or UK MTV Web sites had any visible stories about GTA IV, and inquiries to Rockstar reps had gone unanswered as of press time.

[UPDATE] GameSpot News got in contact with MTV, and the article is still up--it's just slightly over a month old. Rockstar voluntarily admitted that the RAGE engine would be used in all upcoming Rockstar Games, including the next GTA.

Bogus or not bogus?: Given the positive feedback on Table Tennis and the huge potential savings, this smells legit.

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DarwinBC
DarwinBC

Thats cool TT was a nice game. All the have to do in my book is fix the @#!$ing targeting system once and for all.

LinKuei_warrior
LinKuei_warrior

Butthead:uh huhhuh.this is gonna be cool. does this mean well be creating our own hero in GTA IV

tunit000
tunit000

I just dont think that the graphics of Table Tennis in a small room with two people can be spread over a GTA size real estate and keep its quality. It seems like a tough thing to do. Maybe thats why we're not getting it until this time next year. They need the time to actually acomplish that.

dimension4
dimension4

hot coffee with better graphics. jk how stupid was that idea? well it's about time this game gets a graphics jump that will keep up with these other next gen systems

wilford88
wilford88

I am very very excited about this. I am a hardcore GTA Fan and i love the series since the success of GTA III. Then comes GTA VI in the ps3! wow. So awesome!

lyrical_mc
lyrical_mc

Hang on GTA is going to be on the XBOX aswell so if both versions are identical than it won't be able to utilize the space of bluray discs instead we'll be back to DVD's. Not cool i was hoping the next gen GTA would be an extremely in-depth game.

ydobp
ydobp

i look forward to seeing the innovations that are employed in the next GTA. it's one of the most unique games RockStar makes. so, i hope but have little doubt in their creativity to produce a million plus selling game. they've done before they'll do it again.

b_blakeney
b_blakeney

Sorry in advance if this sounds rude... But don't kick me off of Gamespot for saying this. Isn't the point of rumor control to *ahem* control rumors? It's kind of silly to bring a topic up and say, "Well, this is what the word on the street is," but not show an "Official Word." We're still left with the same questions, and all the article basically says is that it makes sense for them to use RAGE because they won't have to pay royalties. To say that this is a bit amateurish is kind of an understatement. Granted, you guys amended it and said that they confirmed it, but then it's just a topic tracker, and probably creates MORE rumors. Now I love the crap out of Gamespot and I read it religiously - but this kind of sub-par column just makes me want to *gasp* formulate my own opinion... Now please, please, please, guys! Live up to the name of Gamespot, and flex your enormous press-pass-enhanced muscles! --B

junk56
junk56

for once a topic where everybody is happy. its good to see it for ocne -_-

woodz2222
woodz2222

grand theft auto 4 is supposedly going to have subways you would be able to master your own fuel levels and i think that you can also update your ps3/xbox 360 so that the character can wear all the latest fasion clothes like new addidas trainers ect. also the gangs will be returning ( i think it might be starting from where it left off) so i meen like when it ends in gta san andreas where cj walks off the scene with his brother and his sister i think they travel abroad with 10 grove street members (for security) and they also take cj sisters b/f with them too they fly abroad and meet some family members and well i would guess it starts agen lol with cj or whoever it starts with in trouble

baynardo7
baynardo7

Well metroidlink1030 i disagree. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. GTA:VC brought in bikes and heicopters, car windows which could be shot through, assets, the main character speaking, and many other things. GTA:SA added planes, bicycles, trains, parachutes, the RPG elements, gangs and a new weapon and fighting system. The last one is the most important, though, because it was tested in Manhunt. Likewise, Rockstar tested rage in table tennis. They didn't want to make a 'full game' like Manhunt to test RAGE (because of time/expense/ideas etc.) but made a fun game very well, and sold it cheaply. Rockstar's policy would be a very bad one for other companies in my opinion, as most other companies would be unable to test new features in top quality games.

_AbBaNdOn
_AbBaNdOn

Mmmm better looking hookers and strippers??

mentalhelp
mentalhelp

Well, we are just going to have to wait until R* sends us images.

tarek81
tarek81

how cool would GTA: Rio De Janeiro be? or even GTA: Tokyo 2020?

rush2547
rush2547

I dont really care about graphics or physics. I thought that GTA: San Andreas was freakin amazing. I'd rather have Rock* continue creating games with awesome acting with super bad ass actors (You Know Who Im talking about and his first name is Sammy!!!) and super awesome stories and characters.

wizface
wizface

i think its going to make the game gayer with better phyics

viniterra
viniterra

They could let some tables in the game for us to play...

Baller1257
Baller1257

GTA sounds like it will have it's main areas of weakness covered; hopefully Rockstar will bring some renovation to a genre that has been hampered with uninspired immitations(Both True Crimes and Driver 3) and just plain lackluster titles( Road Kill I think it was called).

wenbin09
wenbin09

i hope they release a video soon!!!

Limonadi
Limonadi

that would be cool in hot coffee 2. ping pong ping pong

ThaSaint21
ThaSaint21

yo da graphics on dat table tennis game is hot so just imagine if dey do dat for gta!!!

tek-9
tek-9

i could have fun for hours making the character smash into and off of things, like i did with max payne 2, spiderman 2, half life 2. staging funny and/or devastating tumbles is endless fun. gta makes cj do a cheap thud with a splat.

tek-9
tek-9

i hope when people/cars/objects/chunks of broken things fly it will look realistic, also when you slam your bike into a car at 130mph he will tumble realisticly this time.

Etheralfayt
Etheralfayt

yea from the table tennis commercial I was impressed alone but match that with GTA= drool

KingoftheSobs
KingoftheSobs

Has any one noticed that there were two gta games on the psone and four on the ps2. Wouldn't that make it gta7? boob

meo2
meo2

A GTA with decent graphics!? ZOMG!!!!!!!!!1

lordfarboy
lordfarboy

Damn!!! Son u guys are gonna make another grand theft auto game all of the games were good hope this one is the best

rockstarrem
rockstarrem

Sounds good, I'm glad R* made their own engine.

BonziBoce
BonziBoce

good physics always leads to glitching, such as cough cough super bouncing. lolzorz fhsdkjfkasdjf

dkad65
dkad65

Gta IV I dont think well have the same graphics as table tenis.. Table tenis is in a indoor area with only 2 characters on screen that is doing somethin using its processor.. GTA will Probally be another big state with alot of environments and indoors. Keep in mind PS3 is going to be completely new out on the market.. THe developers are not goin to know how to use PS3 hardware to even half of its power... I think GTA IV well look better than saint rows (whatever that game is called) maybe better the The Getaway 3.. but not too much. Imagine what GTA will look like with PS3 using all its power.. Yea thats going to be alsome..

EnemyN666
EnemyN666

Thye don't have to pay royalties and they drop their PS exclusive policy, greedy people.

ZellKyou515
ZellKyou515

metroidlink1030 "As a matter of fact, I have played every single GTA game, including the frist two on the PS1. The statement I was trying to make was a generality. In general, all GTA games are the same game with different subtleties added in, such as the larger areas and locales you mentioned, and I mentioned those in my post, as well. I guess you didn't read into it enough. Don't get me wrong, I like GTA, I just don't want it to go the same direction EA has taken Madden. Every GTA game on the PS2/Xbox have controlled, and just felt really similar in the overall gameplay mechanics. Rockstar should at least try to change it up a bit." Um... there were actually 3 GTA games for the Ps1 GTA, then GTA london somethin, then GTA 2 that is all

apsq
apsq

awesome, the table tennis game looks pretty good.

Prince_jeffery
Prince_jeffery

Superb gameplay and now.....great graphics?!?!? This may shape up to be a perfect game.....

phSychO_AtDawn
phSychO_AtDawn

Gta 4 is going to look great it almost always has and its going to look similar to the PS3 on the 360.And also let me add this,rockstar is tayloring to both systems capabilities they might add Table tennis onto the PS3 version but not the 360 version ,IDK im just saying.DVD-9 is capable of holding alot of memory sony might have Blu-ray but Microsoft has episodic Content.

sweet_7
sweet_7

Wow, a new gta game cant wait but y the freak switch to x box the gta series has been with sony since the beginning of gta its just not right to switch and i hope that it has more available items and vehicles you can use

keelog_05
keelog_05

rodrigo_br Great Graphics + Great Environment + Great Gameplay... That's too much for a DVD9, maybe Kamaguchi Knew what he was doing when he decided to let M$ launch their system first, but with a media that won't last much... This may not be the perfect example but it will surely make us see why we did have to wait all this long to get a PS3... after all, theses problems with over heating and stuff will be solved, the PS3 has an hardware that is as good or better than the 360's and, even if it is a bit worst, they have a secret, the Blu-ray... In a few years, the 360's games will be limited, not by the hardware, but by the media, that's when the PS3 wins this battle... COMPLETE OFF-TOPIC... hehehe back to the topic... GTA IV may be just like a San Andreas with better graphics, and i say, if Rockstar wants a litle more $$$, just put a TT minigame... why i can't post small messages like everybody else??? oh yeah, i have a brain... =P hey, nice Avatar "Benny_is_here" Jesus, another person with a little PS3 rant. NO GAMES HAVE REACHED THE LIMIT OF DVD!! Get this through your one-track-mind heads. BD-ROM is not that great, unless you count that it's making the PS3 cost as much as the down payment on a used car. Also, since no one currently owns a PS3, we don't know if the overheating problems of the 360 (*which i've never dealt with*) will be present in the PS3 or not. And you should wait before assuming that the BD-ROMs are the answer to your prayers, since I'm sure many people thought the same thing about BetaMax. What's that? Unfamiliar with BetaMax? Of course you are, because it's a failed technology. Sony's making a ballsy move by banking everything on the success of the BluRay disc. I hope they aren't wrong, but at the same time, it'd serve them right if they were.

keelog_05
keelog_05

GKBeetle "Chubbums Who cares really?" Well, you must care if you took the time to post this. Otherwise, you're just taking up space. If you don't care about a story, just don't comment on it. You don't have to put your two cents in on every story, especially if its just to say that you don't care. I can't stand you posters who just say something idiotic like, "Interesting..." or "Hmmm...". What is the point of that? You're morons! I actually like reading what some people say, but you people who do this are just cluttering up the comments section with useless garbage. Sorry about that rant. Anyway, hopefully this will mean better gameplay for the next GTA. Stuff like shooting and fighting really needs to be overhauled in the next GTA. Just hope they don't mess up the driving. Haha. I have to say, which is worse, to comment something like "who cares" which takes up all of 3 inches of space or a paragraph complaining about that "waste of space." Personally, I'd rather see something nobody's said yet, such as "who cares," as opposed to a rant about something completely unrelated, much like this is. Also, try saying something that hasn't been said 10 times already. Now, on to my personal feelings... the Table Tennis engine was great for rendering two people playing ping pong. But GTA is about wide open areas and destruction and, most importantly, lots of innocent victims. I don't doubt that there's still plenty of hidden power in the RAGE engine, but don't base something that nobody knows anything about on a game that is completely unrelated. What Rockstar needs to worry about is making the game genuinely fun to play without all the annoying, unnecessary gimmics. Who cares about having girlfriends that are completely useless or taking over 58 territorries that mean absolutely nothing. Give us more characters like Mike Toreno and The Truth and the missions they send us on. Graphics are great, but the past GTA games were loved in spite of their basically crappy graphics. Worry about content first, then throw on some sheen. Also... who cares if there's a table tennis mini game. Unless they change the game to GTA: Gump Theft Auto, I really don't see where playing table tennis would really come into play on a GTA game.

keelog_05
keelog_05

senjutsu "_LEBATO_ Table Tennis was only two people on screen, GTA would not look remotely close to it people. " lol, your kidding right? lol, you think the next gen system can have 2 players in a screen with good graphics? that's what you call "revolution"? lol, man your out of the track, only check ninety nine nights with 10 000 ennemies on-screen at the same time... and the white engine for final fantasy 13/versus 13, you think only the main character will be in the screen? LOL no, gta4 will have high graphics and will surely be the best GTA ever, why? because gta3 was great, than cama vice city, everyone was: wow, vice city is way better than gta3, and for san andreas it's the same, everybody knew it was the best now. And now it's not only gta something, it's gta4, so I suppose it'll have some nice graphics, some nice story, and a BIG city to play with, and that's exactly what I want!! hey hey! and hot cofee in these graphics.... *joke, joke!! I think his point was that people are expecting that just because GTAIV is possibly using the same engine as TT, a good looking game, that GTAIV will automatically have the exact same quality graphics. The point being made here is that the graphics in TT weren't really that taxing on a game engine, definately not to the tune of a huge city/multiple states and the NPCs that will fill them. He's not saying that next gen can't handle it, he's saying that basing expectations for a game as huge as GTA on the graphics of a game as relatively small as TT isn't a great idea and could lead to let downs. (correct me if i'm wrong)

keelog_05
keelog_05

Devilwillcry I dotn care how it looks as long as it plays like or better than the old GTAs and it is just as good on PS3 as it is for 360 witht he same features. lets hope they devlop the game usign the BD-ROM and water it down slightly for 360. that way Rockstar can get the msot out of the next gen with the massive storage capabilities of Bluray. lets hope it is great if not better on the PS3 than on 360. should be awesome. I personally cant wait to play it on my PS3 when I get one. Sorry buddy, but they've already said that the 360 will get exclusives that the PS3 won't have. What nobody seems to understand about these BluRay discs is that all that storage space isn't going to make the games any better. They've yet to come close to filling a regular DVD. And just as a thought.. so far in the GTA series, they've been released on the PS2 and then made better by the XBX. I have a feeling this is going to happen again.