GameSpot Gut Reactions: PS3 Delay in Europe

GameSpot's editors weigh in on the recently announced European delay of the PlayStation 3, as well as its potentially limited launch quantities.

Hardware manufacturer and game publishing giant Sony recently revealed that the highly anticipated PlayStation 3 won't ship in Europe until March of 2007. The delay was due to a manufacturing issue related to the hardware that the PS3 will use to play high-definition videos on the Blu-Ray Disc format. The recent announcement also suggests that customers in Japan and North America may be facing a shortage of hardware when the PS3 does launch, possibly releasing in the neighborhood of just 100,000 units in Japan and 400,000 in North America--though Sony later refuted this by stating it hadn't confirmed launch numbers beyond its initial November launch of 2 million units worldwide, and 4 million units worldwide by the end of 2006. What do all these developments mean for the PS3 and its games, and for those pennies we've all been saving for our first console/Blu-Ray player? GameSpot's editors give us their gut reactions. Be sure to add your own thoughts in the comments field below.


Things seemed to be looking up for European game players. Treated as the hideous, ugly, distant cousin of the video game world, we were traditionally put through six-month waiting periods for dodgy PAL versions of games, and even then they were plagued by black borders and slowdown. Then, slowly, things began to change. The Sony PSP and the Nintendo DS offered multiregion games, which made importing easier and more worthwhile for keen European players. Then, in the first console launch of its kind, Microsoft's Xbox 360 arrived in Europe 10 days after the US, even before the Japanese got their hands on it. The crowning moment came at this year's E3, when Sony announced that the PlayStation 3, arguably the biggest console launch yet, would arrive in Europe within the same month as in the US and Japan.

Oh, to be a fly on this wall.

It seemed optimistic, maybe even a little overconfident, but it was delivered by the characteristically ebullient Sony, and we swallowed it down. We overlooked the fact that, according to previous Sony announcements, the PlayStation 3 was already supposed to be out in Japan by Spring 2006. We forgot that the Blu-Ray format, which was the reason for both the console's hi-def multimedia capabilities and its astronomical price, wasn't even on the market until June of this year, and its final specs were only finalized in January. Even the powerhouse Microsoft, which didn't use any problematic new disc formats in the Xbox 360, had massive trouble delivering on the promise of a worldwide supply.

The delay of the PlayStation 3 in Europe to March 2007 is a huge blow to the game players on the continent, and you only need look at the feedback on the news to see that the mounting Sony backlash is now in full swing. I'm not about to jump on the bandwagon of hatred, as I wasn't even sure that I was going to buy the console at launch. But I'd certainly love to be a fly on the wall inside Sony's European offices right now. Take some comfort in the fact that, having just launched the PlayStation 3 Web site and presuming it would have this Christmas in the bag, that division's probably feeling just as alienated by Sony Worldwide as you are.

So is there anything good to come out of this public relations disaster? Well, as sure as I am that the console will still sell out at launch, I'm just as sure that the army of parents who'd have bought one at Christmas will balk at spending £425 on the machine in the New Year comedown. Hopefully then, Sony will reevaluate that astronomical price, or maybe offer Europeans a couple of exclusive bonuses. Secondly, the four-month gap should result in a wealth of launch titles for the console in Europe, and should ensure our selection of early games is of higher quality than those offered to the rest of the world. Lastly, Sony really does care about the European market. Game players are quick to forget the innovations that the company made on the PlayStation 2, with EyeToy, Buzz! and SingStar all originating from Britain and all available in Europe well ahead of the US and Japan.

While the PlayStation 3 delay is a blow to Europe, the only way consumers will be heard by the powers that be is if they express their anger with their wallets. There will still be plenty of great gaming options available come Christmas with the Xbox 360 and the Wii (unless Nintendo inherits a similar case of Europe-itis), and if you choose the best games over an allegiance to Sony, the company is bound to listen and give Europe the respect it deserves in future. Merry Christmas, Sony.

My first reaction to the news is that we Europeans are getting a nice kick in the teeth. Again. My second reaction is to wonder if maybe Sony has just taken on too much with all the Blu-Ray stuff. Frankly, though, none of that matters, since the bottom line is that we'll just have to wait.

But much as I dislike the notion of not being able to get my hands on some sleek, new, cutting-edge gaming lounge-ware, from a business perspective, Sony was left with little real choice. Why mess up three markets, when you can just mess up two instead? At least, with the figures on actual consoles available even in Japan and the US, that's mostly how it looks.

What to my wondering eyes should appear but...a gift certificate redeemable in three months?

And let's face it, when it comes to deciding on the two out of three territories to attempt, it's not really a contest. Sony would never want to screw its home market of Japan. It would also want to put on as brave a face as possible in Microsoft's home market, the US. And Europe? Well, we're just a collection of numerous different laws, import taxes, and a headache of language localizations. What would you do if you were Uncle Ken?

So what can we do about it? Short of petitioning Codemasters or Ubisoft to develop some mega next-gen hardware in Europe, our territory will never be top priority for anybody. And because gaming is such a massive global entertainment need now, the demand is simply too high for even universal megacorporations to deal with.

But what now for Sony? Well, it will no doubt suffer--I can't see things happening any other way right now. Too few consoles for Japan, too few for the US, and none for Europe will point people toward the cheaper and more readily available alternatives, especially for Christmas-present-buying parents. Picture the scene: Under the tree on Christmas morning, the merry glow of fairy lights, the flush of excitement on a young child's face as he or she tears away the paper to find an envelope, inside of which is a decidedly unfestive PS3 preorder voucher, redeemable only three months hence. Who wants that?

But let's not get carried away. Many will be upset with Sony, but that won't stop us from snapping up every last console that's available...when they finally are available. Sony has too much of a draw for us to ignore, and much as we in Europe might feel the desire to punish them for passing us over once again, come March we'll be desperate to get our hands on the kit. We're beginning to form a love-hate relationship with Sony, it seems; but once this all passes, we'll be too busy playing PS3 games to care.

Until the next time, that is.

I swear, the PlayStation 3 had better deliver some incredible gaming experiences once it comes out, because if nothing else, all the drama leading up to the system's release makes for a tough act to follow. It's been a wild ride for the PS3, ever since the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May. But as big of a deal as this news may seem right now, one expression keeps coming to mind to describe it: "This, too, shall pass."

Yes, it's a shame that the system's release is getting pushed back all the way to March for Europe. But frankly, Europe rarely gets priority when new game systems are released, so this just seems like a case of something that was too good to be true to begin with. As for the apparent shortage of systems at launch, even that fact wouldn't have seemed like as big of a deal had Sony not set much higher expectations earlier this year. The launch period will probably be a lot like the 360 launch last year, where a lot of people scrambled to find a system, and many failed. (The difference is, people will also scramble in Japan in this case.) Weeks or months later, the shortages will be addressed, and everyone who wants a PS3 and can afford one will have one. As for who's going to "win" the next-gen race, Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft, I've got news for anyone who thinks they know the outcome: It's still way too early to tell what's ultimately going to happen regarding their three consoles.

An artist's abstract rendition of the PlayStation 3's road to its quasi-worldwide launch.

In turn, a year from now we'll have long since forgotten all of this, probably because PS3s will be all over the place and a lot of people will have bought them, high price and all. This news also doesn't change my mind that the PS3 will be a powerful system with some great games.

But in the short run, Sony seems to be making a hard road even harder for itself by making a lot of bold, even arrogant claims and then having to revise those claims in this type of fashion. So this will be the type of reality check that the company needs. Now more than ever, it seems that big companies are at the mercy of their public images.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. This news just makes Sony's lineup at the forthcoming Tokyo Game Show seem all the more critical. My confidence in the PS3 is admittedly shaken at this point, but for better or worse, I didn't have high hopes for the Xbox 360 or DS this close to their release dates, either. And I love those systems now.

And Europe takes yet another kick in the pants. Well, I guess it's not too much of a surprise that Europe isn't getting the PS3 until next year. Just ask Microsoft: Trying to coordinate a hardware launch across multiple territories is pretty tough in this day and age. And when you look at the supposed launch quantities that North America and Japan are getting this year, it's pretty apparent that it's going to be a bloodbath out there come November.

What are you worried about? Coded Arms: Assault isn't coming out until 2007, too!

Of course, the 400,000 units for North America and 100,000 for Japan figures are just for day one. Through the holidays, Sony is claiming the number will creep up to somewhere over a million pieces. This is where having two versions of your console out there starts to get really annoying. I don't know if this happened to you or not, but I continually heard stories of people trying to buy an Xbox 360, finding out that a store had them in stock, and getting there only to discover that the store only had the lower-priced, less-interesting version of the system available. It'd be interesting to know how many of the PS3 launch units will be the more expensive premium units, and how many will be the dumbed-down basic boxes. Considering how Sony's going to sell out of however many PS3s they can manage to get onto shelves this year and well into next year, they might as well just ship all of them as $600 premium packages and launch the cheaper one next year, when you get past the early adopters and demand stabilizes a bit. Anyone willing to run out and fight the crowds for a $500 console would almost certainly be willing to do the same for a $600 one.

Then we have hardware "shortages" to look forward to, accompanied by the same shameless eBay price-gouging that has pretty much become commonplace whenever console hardware is launched. On top of that, you'll probably be forced to buy some bundle package containing games you might not want, more controllers than you probably need, and a smattering of incredibly lame third-party accessories. Disc doctors and funny-looking cooling devices for everyone! Considering this industry still can't get its games into stores across the country in a timely, measured fashion, I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the amount of crap people have to put up with to buy a console at or near its release.

As for you Europeans, yes, obviously, this sucks. But look at it this way, you guys. Maybe by the time the system launches over there, all of this mess will have been sorted, and the end result may very well be a smoother and better-stocked European launch. With the way the quantities are shaping up, you probably would have had to wait until March to find one, anyway.

I can't say that I'm surprised at the news at all. Any time you create any high-end device that relies on so many new technologies, you're asking for trouble. It doesn't matter how efficient your production chain is, you're always going to be limited by the slowest and weakest link in the chain, and in this case, it appears that Blu-Ray is responsible. That did surprise me, because I would have predicted chip yields as the culprit.

So, Blu-Ray was the culprit, huh? No surprises there.

It'll be interesting to see if Nintendo has any of these kinds of issues. Since the Wii uses proven technology rather than cutting-edge components, manufacturing shouldn't have any issues. Meanwhile, you just know that J Allard and the folks at Microsoft are probably licking their chops at the news. Microsoft has had over a year to smooth out production issues on the Xbox 360 and ramp up to full speed, so things are looking pretty good for Sony's competitors.

Anyway, it strikes me that this wouldn't be so much of an issue if Sony hadn't come out and publicly announced such completely unrealistic launch numbers in the first place. The claim that Sony would have 2 million PlayStation 3s available worldwide at launch always struck me as silly considering the experience of previous console launches. Microsoft couldn't make Xbox 360's fast enough last year and fell far short of that number, and Sony had similar shortages with the PlayStation 2 launch. Now we're apparently being told the actual number is only 500,000, which is a far cry from 2 million. It's getting to the point where gamers are having a harder time trusting Sony. The Killzone flap, the lackluster E3 showing, the $600 price tag, the grandiose statements from the executives, and now this are starting to take their toll. Two years ago, the PlayStation 3 seemed like a sure thing, but today, a lot of people aren't so sure. Still, Sony remains in the driver's seat thanks to the incredible popularity of the PlayStation brand. But the company needs to wise up to the fact that it is its own worst enemy right now.

I guess I'd be a lot more concerned about the delay of the European PlayStation 3 launch if I still lived there, though even then, if that were the case, I suppose I'd have to actually want one to really be bothered. In the past, I was one of those guys who simply had to have every console, but nowadays I can barely find enough time to play all the games I want to on a single system, let alone three or four. A part of me wants to say that Sony's disappointing pre-E3 conference was the turning point at which I decided not to purchase a PS3 at launch, but I think it actually has a lot more to do with the fact that I'm really enjoying my Xbox 360 right now and can't justify the expense.

This game was reason enough for me to buy an Xbox 360. I don't yet have a reason to buy a PS3.

Sony's previous successes with the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 appear, at least from where I'm sitting, to have made the company complacent. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who will fork over the cash for the PS3 regardless of its price and launch lineup simply because of the PlayStation name, but I doubt there are nearly as many of them now as there were six months ago, and I imagine the number will continue to fall steadily as Xbox 360s find their way into more homes and Sony continues to shoot itself in the foot with its seemingly never-ending supply of bad news.

It wasn't just European early adopters that got bad news, after all. The Japanese will be lining up for only 100,000 PS3 units on November 11. And less than a week later, North American hopefuls will be competing for only 400,000. That North American number actually compares favorably with the number of Xbox 360 units that Microsoft is generally believed to have launched with, but while I happily camped outside a store to get my hands on a 360 with Project Gotham Racing 3, I've yet to see a single PS3 game that I'm that excited about.

The bottom line for me is that Sony needs to have a spectacular Tokyo Game Show later this month. Good press coming out of that event won't put extra consoles on shelves or make the European delay any easier to swallow for the Sony faithful whom it affects, but maybe some exciting new exclusive games and something resembling good news will be enough to dissuade PS2 owners who have yet to enter the next generation from exchanging their PS3 piggy banks for shiny new Xbox 360s--which is what I've been advising most of my friends to do.

Ever since last E3, it seems that Sony just hasn't been able to do anything right. Now the PlayStation 3 has been delayed in Europe, and the supply for the launch in the US and Japan has been drastically scaled back due to manufacturing problems. Sure, it's big news and yet another knock against Sony in what seems like an endless string of blunders, but to be honest, I really don't care. At this point, I haven't seen anything about the PlayStation 3 to convince me that I have to have one this holiday season--or ever, actually. I've seen the trailers for Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and Resistance: Fall of Man, and I'll admit they're impressive (although only one of them is actually a launch title). However, I can get just as excited about games like Gears of War, Okami, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess--and I don't have to spend $600 and join the mobs of rabid Sony fanboys on launch day to play those games.

As great as this game looks, I'll be busy with plenty of other games this holiday season.

Even if Sony were able to launch the PlayStation 3 worldwide this November with 50 million available units, I still wouldn't buy one. I'm not the type of person to rush out and buy any console on launch day. The only console I've actually purchased within the launch window is the Nintendo 64, so I don't qualify as an early adopter by any means. I waited seven months to buy my Xbox 360, a year for my PlayStation 2 and GameCube, and four years for my Xbox. Some people have no doubt seen their hopes dashed by the news of the PlayStation 3 delay, but I've learned that patience pays off when it comes to investing in new game consoles. Not only will you likely pay less up front, but you won't have to fight the annoying store clerk for your preorder, and when you do finally get the system it will already have a decent library of games.

The delay of the PlayStation 3 is not only welcome, but absolutely necessary if it gives Sony more time to work out the kinks and deliver a solid system, rather than pushing an unfinished product on consumers just to get a piece of the holiday market. At this point I won't be surprised if the PlayStation 3 also misses its target launch in the US and Japan--and I won't be disappointed, either.

Let me preface these remarks by stating this: I'm not a specific fan of any console or any console hardware. I regularly play PC games and also own all of the consoles and handhelds, and I play them more or less equally, so I'm coming at this issue as someone who is at least trying to be objective.

The recent news that the PlayStation 3 launch has been delayed in Europe until March 2007 due to Blu-Ray issues can't be good news for the console. Also, the recent report suggests that there may be shortages of the hardware at launch--only 100,000 units in Japan and 400,000 in the US (though Sony apparently later claimed that it "had not announced specific ship numbers for Japan or North America"). Like one caller who dialed in to a previous HotSpot podcast, you might be wondering, "where's the good news, Sony?" If there's a silver lining anywhere, I'm having trouble finding it. Remember the Xbox 360 launch, when retailers took advantage of the scarcity of the units to mark up bundle packages to insane prices? I remember seeing some going for as much as $10,000 (and keep in mind, this is for a $300-$400 system). Apparently, retailers have already started putting together some very pricey bundles for the hardware, and considering the base price of the PS3 is $499 with the smaller hard drive, if the console does launch in short supply, the sky's the limit on the prices that retailers can use to gouge early adopters.

Will this be worth it?

Also, apparently, the delay was caused by a Blu-Ray manufacturing issue because of a specific part that proved to be more difficult to mass-produce than Sony thought. It'd be easy to dismiss this kind of miscalculation as hubris, but considering Sony's recent issues with overheating computer batteries and its spotty record of reliable PS2 hardware, it's hard not to look at this development and not wonder about Sony's ability to research, develop, and manufacture durable computer hardware, period. It's pretty clear that Sony had hoped that the PS3 would be both a popular game machine and the first Blu-Ray media player for most consumer households, the same way the PS2 was more or less an ambassador for the DVD format--but the DVD was basically uncontested at the time. It didn't seem like there was a clear winner in the HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray video format wars (with the possible exception of this hard-hitting development), but this delay could really tip the scales in favor of HD-DVD as a popular, established format that gets the jump on household purchases this holiday season, especially if the PS3 isn't on store shelves to compete with it for our friends in Europe.

It's hard not to think of doom and gloom after an event like this. Sony has literally bet everything on the PlayStation 3, and the future of one of its most profitable divisions is now in jeopardy. The PlayStation 2 still has some AAA games coming out for it, but with Microsoft's Xbox 360 already out and Nintendo's Wii on the horizon, Sony had better come up with something.

The launch delay in Europe means that a few of our friends on the other side of the pond will have to wait a few more months to play, but the ramifications of the rest of Sony's press release also tosses the rest of the gaming world for a loop.

What am I bid?

Initially, Sony forecasted that it would ship 2 million consoles during the launch time frame. Now that number stands at a quarter of the initial value: 500,000 units. Personally, I think Sony's new number might still be on the optimistic side. Traditionally, the company offers up rosy scenarios in its press releases.

Even if the company meets these new goals, I can't wait to see the prices. We can all agree that Microsoft botched the 360 launch, and it still managed to ship 1.5 million units. Put your hand in your pocket if you got a 360 last year. Now open up your wallet if you paid through the nose for it. The PlayStation 3 is already set at an exorbitantly high $500 (and $600 for the package with the larger hard drive)--those numbers will easily double, if not triple, in the grey market.

You might as well start waiting in line now if you've got money. Otherwise, find a bat and wait at the back of the line. Or, you could pick up a 360...or swing your way into a merry Wii-nter wonderland (which will likely be the scenario for most).

Let's be clear: The slashed allotments and delays aren't going to be a positive thing for Sony. Although it's still difficult to see Sony losing the lead in the next-gen console wars because of this, the issue is bigger than just Microsoft versus Sony. Also at stake is Sony's ongoing battle to push the Blu-Ray format for next-generation home-video releases. Since the problem with the Playstation 3 apparently involves the production of the blue laser diode in the console's disc drive, it's interesting to speculate on how these problems will affect the battle between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, the two formats that are going to battle it out to be the successor to the venerable DVD.

More delayed Sony hardware: the BDP-S1 Blu-Ray player.

While it's not at all clear that the battle between the two formats will be concluded anytime soon, Sony's delays in the production of the Playstation 3 is mirrored in its repeated delays of its flagship stand-alone player, the thousand-dollar BDP-S1, which was originally scheduled to come out this summer but has now been pushed all the way back to October 25. If the drive in the BDP-S1 is basically the same as that of the Playstation 3, then Sony may face an interesting choice of whether it should simply push back the launch of the stand-alone player indefinitely and use the drives intended for those machines to bolster the number of PS3s in the retail channel. This wouldn't exactly be without repercussions for the publisher--as the champion of the format, Sony is expected to deliver some kind of standalone Blu-Ray player (however ugly and expensive it may be); but on the plus side, there are plenty of other stand-alone players coming from Samsung, Philips, and other manufacturers. Of course, even those players might not be enough to push Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. The first Samsung player is apparently incapable of playing the upcoming 50-gigabyte movie discs, and Sony's first writeable PC Blu-Ray drive actually shipped in Australia without the ability to play back Blu-Ray movie discs.

The home-video market is a fairly large slice of the home-entertainment pie, with DVD sales and rentals alone racking up more than 22 billion dollars in revenue in 2005. Sony definitely wants its format to be the winner in the next-gen home-video contest, since each Blu-Ray disc sold will net them royalties. (Time Warner and Toshiba currently get hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties for the DVD format, and Toshiba is leading the development of the HD-DVD technology.) Of course, Sony also wants to be the leader in the next-generation console market, but if the company is facing production difficulties this close to its launch, then we have to wonder whether or not its attempts to get its fingers in both pies will eventually wind up costing it one--or both.

At any rate, one thing is clear: We can all look forward to being forced to buy superexpensive bundles if we want to get a Playstation 3 this fall.

Editor's Note: Both Sarju's and Andrew's entries previously made reference to the $500 unit not having a hard drive, when, in fact, it will ship with a 20GB hard drive, as opposed to the $600 unit with a 60GB hard drive. GameSpot regrets the error.

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robobie
robobie

first comment in over a year wooooooooooo

PlyrYaKA
PlyrYaKA

At the time Sony and Big M were cancelling each other out, one was offering INSANE amounts of power for a huge pricetag and good exclusives. The other one was cheaper but still incredibly powerful, backed by God, and reasonable exclusives. Then Mr. Gates snapped up all the exclusives. Still a fair fight then. This delay has swayed the tide and the PS3 shall DIE & BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL in Europe, hold a poor defence in America and tie with the Wii with our saki sipping friends. The PS3 will still sell millions, but it will still lose the next-gen wars. And don't bull**** me about nobody winning a gen, ps2 won last gen because it sold 100 times more than anyone else. And while I'm at it stop treatin "Lil' ol' Ninty" like a small buissness, granted they're old and the gamecube didn't sell nearly aswell as they hoped but still richer than every buissness in my COUNTY combined and multiplide by ten!!!!!!

nightfire99
nightfire99

I'm waiting for the second or third batch of PS3 that will come in late Dec. or early Jan. maybe even February. Just to be safe b/c i wonna wait till production methods have stabalized a little. I want to reduce the risk of a defective PS3 by avoiding the launch day batch.

AceMutou
AceMutou

Interesting. I want to see how this all turns out...

C-Bizkit
C-Bizkit

I hope that Russia will atleast be able to get the PS3 till 2008... Damn.... I feel like I'm living on the north pole..... but...hell.... the Xbox360 now costs 280-320$ here.... Buy the time Sony ships the ps3 here the x360 is gonna cost about 180-220$.... that means they've lost the race ...atleast in Russia...

humkia
humkia

Europe can get the consoles in March already consider very fortunate Look at South East Asia where i live in We don't even know whether can get it by June 2007 or not So Europe gamers don't complain so much

PipeBigboss
PipeBigboss

Give Sony a break, did you know that in order to build a Blue Ray laser you need a lot of factors (band gap) the technology is in development and all the people cry that they're only build a few of them they are taking that risk and if they believe that they can support that trust them, the problem for Sony is that some fans will buy a console like XBOX 360 but they bet that they'll win the market with the PS3 no matter the time and I hope so. Pipe

DeathBlitz
DeathBlitz

Damn, that means for Aus as well. I just lost $5 through a bet =/

Blackat
Blackat

Im not paying THAT much money for something so significantly outdated by my (as of Mar2007) DirectX 10 PC. For £190, maybe...

shadow_ninja_20
shadow_ninja_20

i dont really care id wait as long as i get one people are making too much of a fuss over this i noe this sonds stupid but id rather have mine working

Winner555
Winner555

This is bad! I mean, first we're all happy that here in Europe and the middle east, we'll get the PS3 along with Americans and Japanese! Finally something that made us all happy! And then... Sony delay the PS3 in exactly, if we calculate it now, a year from the orginal release. Maybe they weren't plannning on launching it on March 06, but now I've lost my fate. Sony will have more problems.... I hope they won't, but that's just bad. I'll get my PS3 on 2007? I mean, WHY?!>>!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Unless I order mine from America... :D :D

RaNaBiR
RaNaBiR

Remember what happened to Xbox 360...The launch consoles had problems but when it finally came out in Australia we got version 2.0 which had all the problems sorted out. So let's hope that their are no problems with the launch consoles or somebody's gonna have a boot shoved up their ***.

Syicrone
Syicrone

I can understand why Sony has decided to hold of on Europe because they're already in low supply for the demand. And if you haven't heard the PS3 will cost Sony $800 for every system made and their only selling it for $600 so im not complaining about the price, I say let them do what they need to do because they know what there doing and I wont be one to pass judgement. All I know is spending $600 on a good system is better then wasting $400 on a bad system.

thisiharat
thisiharat

Whatever, Sony cant please everybody, but they're making a great game machine.... Whenever PS3 comes out, I will buy one.ASAP

jahanamy
jahanamy

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1_lighting_1
1_lighting_1

Those guys at Sony must be thinking "We are big company, and we will sell a lot of Ps3's". I'm a big fan of the Ps3 but if Sony keeps doing this I'll buy a Xbox 360 and lets see how Sony gets by if the rest of the world does the same, and I bet that Sony will not even make the Ps3 better than the Xbox 360, because what Sony is doing is giving a bad image makes it look like they care more about the money, and that their convince that the Ps3 will sell a lot, but if Sony delays again a lot of people will get mad, and because of this delay Sony is already losing the Christmas sales, and those sales could won Sony a lot of money, but apparently they are very convince that they I'll win but i'm a big fan of Ps3 but Xbox 360 is showing to be a very good console and I don't think I want to buy a console with a price of 599$ from a bad company.

137
137

lol I am not buying one until mgs4 comes out.

greenknight
greenknight

Ps3 is running out of options and now is resorting to delaying the launch in Europe. How the mighty have fallen. It seems like the more good news that flies in from Nintendo, the more bad news for the Ps3. Now sony can see what it feels like to have everything crumble under it's feet. Hopefully, Sony will take a big enough hit in sales to make Sqaure Enix back out and join Nintendo for good. If that happens, Sony will have nothing to put on the table and fall out of the gaming industry.

drxym
drxym

jayme22, I seriously doubt the XBox 360 CAN go HD. They're stuck with DVD because so many units use it already. Games companies and consumers will not tolerate a situation where their brand new console is suddenly obsolete or needs some ugly, expensive kludge to keep on working. Even if 360s are equipped 360's with internal HD-DVD players (as no doubt they will be one day), it can only be for movies. Which is where Sony should see their advantage come into play - their format means their games can have more content, or be localized to many regions (and therefore cheaper to make), which the 360 will be stuck with a format that even the previous generation was close to outgrowing. They might find some room with dual-layer DVDs yet, but given the demands of the new format, I doubt it will last more than a couple of years.

jayme22
jayme22

the only uppoint to this is when we have the console over here we will only have to wait 7 months till gta comes out and yes people say that the ps3 is exspensive and the x-box 360 is cheap but when all their games go HD-DVD and you have to pay another £200 for the new player ontop of the £270 you already paid for the 360 Sonys deal isnt looking all that bad when you think about it. exspecially that the Blue ray player can hold more data than the HD-DVD. and knowing microsoft it wont be long after The HD-Drive is out that they will bring a new Blue ray drive out as well

jahanamy
jahanamy

$$$$$$ lets say it money station......im fan of ps but its too expensive for me to buy for sure games become expensive too for nextgen consoles.... wii will rules....so sad lots of people cant buy it and see mgs and other cool thing ....this time sony sux . they want to make something can last long like ps2 but they forget something :people who want this console wont buy with this price......

Wolfos
Wolfos

As much as i love the games sony have planed for there "Gaming Low Fat Fryer", i find myself increasingly backing MS. With the about of shots they have put in there own feet in the past, MS are being more then quick to pick up the slack Sony haven't. This leads me to a question though, Will MS rush in and sweep up a few gamers or will Nintendo rule the EU launch here? Remember MS said that Europe is the new target for them, with a goldmine of gamers so staticly clinging to there PS2's. im sure they are more then able to tempt a few off sony.

denbot
denbot

i agree, 1 day a game is gona come out on hd dvd only for sure and your goin to be forced to by a hd dvd to play it so us that have pay £270 for a 360 now have to go out and pay another £200 - £300 how ever much it is, for a hd dvd drive omg and now they are saying they will be making a new 360 with one built in. and bill gates him self said they aint going to do that. MS are bummers.

denbot
denbot

its a joke this it wud make more sence to release it over here first as its going to get one its highest number of sales over here, omg how thick can you get. it better be worth the wait when it finaly gets its a** over here

drxym
drxym

PhiDelt59, was DVD proven technology when the PS2 was launched? No it wasn't, and I'm sure some probably argued at the time that it was a waste of money to include such high capacity storage in a console. After all, most PS games probably would fit on a CDROM let alone a DVD. While Sony have screwed up big time for launch of the PS3 I think they are smart to use a higher capacity device. Some PS2 games already push the DVD storage capacity to the edge (e.g. GTA: San Andreas). When you toss in hi-res textures, graphics, surround sound, and localised content, it is easy to see it needing far more space. Perhaps that is why Rockstar are promising episodic content on the 360 for GTA 4 and not on the PS3 - because the PS3 can fit all the content onto the disc and doesn't need episodic content. Besides, the cheaper PS3 is $499 - still a lot of money, but some might consider the $100 over the XBox360 premium edition to be a positive bargain for a next generation HD movie player. It's certainly cheaper and a lot neater than the $177 or whatever that MS is selling its ugly external HD-DVD drive. At that price you may as well buy the PS3 premium pack (or whatever it's called) and be done with it. I'm a bit confused by why you think that a HD-DVD player is even going help the XBox 360 even if they put one in the console itself. The XBox 360 might offer HD video playback but is stuck with DVD for games forever.

ryuken264
ryuken264

hmmm phidelt59 u just played ureself. If someone is standin next to a sold out sign of ps3's dont it mean its worth buyin...think before u talk, cause in ur case ignorance aint bliss

PhiDelt59
PhiDelt59

I was honestly hoping that Sony could pull off its ambitious launch numbers, then the booze wore off and I was snapped back into reality which is what happened to all of those executives at Sony. I had to laugh when the delay happened because I saw it coming since E3. Sony's biggest mistake is guranteeing their entire console and success on an unproven media. Have they learned anything from the mini disc or umd? Nobody knows wether HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will win the media format war. Bottom line, I buy a video game console to play video games. Not watch movies. At least Microsoft is giving you the choice to do that. Not forcing a $600 movie player down your throat with no HD cables included. The PS3 has not shown anything that is better than what the 360 has to offer. Gone are the days of exclusivity, third party publishers are business people who want money, and they will make more of it by selling their games on all consoles. Besides MGS, GT5, and Devil May Cry what else do they have?? Oh yeah Killzone 2, a pre-rendered movie to a sequel of a game that sucked horribly. And for all of you saying that Sony never has had problems with their consoles probably havent had a PS1 that overheated all the time, or a PS2 that wouldn't read discs either. Hands down 360 is the best console. Sony still has no plan for it's online network that can touch XBL and their 2 months away from launch. Do yourselves a favor, when your standing in line all night and end up at empty shelf with a shiny new 360 next to a sold out PS3 sign, buy it. At least you know DVD's arent going anywhere anytime soon and if HD-DVD wins the media format war, just plug that USB cable into your 360 and keep on gaming.

whitemage23
whitemage23

"""2nd overall, since when has sony dissapointed us, THEY'VE ALWAYS DELIVERED A SYSTEM THAT HAS NOT BROKEN DOWN.""" Compared to the other consoles of each PS generation? The PS brand breaks down like Micheal Jackson on a 2nd grade field trip. I will eventually buy a PS3, later gen, price drop, or slim-line PS3 (you know they'll make one). I will not trust $600 to a first gen Sony product, especially one with supposed "new technology"

XerenX_Storm
XerenX_Storm

btw for the guy saying that the xbox 360 had cooling problems when it was released... guess wat the ps3 will have problems aswell it happens to all things that have just come out

ryuken264
ryuken264

Stop bein fanboys all of you. stop hatin on one system or the other. a true gamer respects all aspects of a good system. how can you bash the ps3 before it even came out. i personally love sony, and trust me the delay is better than launchin a defect. wen the regular xbox came out i saw the flaws and good about it. i hated the fact that it was the size of 4 bricks and the controller was too big as if we were giants. on the other hand the gameplay and graphics were amazin. the ps2 (which i owned first up until i got a 360) was great. of course alot of games were short or lacked a little on the graphic side but please who here disagrees that it put alot out for us. i got the 360 after seein the improvements xbox made. i am also sure im gettin the ps3. whoever bashes another system go bathe in ur own **** u got no right to talk about somethin that dont even exist yet.

cardboardonly
cardboardonly

So many people are very apoligetic for Sony. Remember this is the same company that basically said they could sell 2 million units on launch even if they didn't have a single title ready. That in of itself is a kick in the teeth for gamers. I agree the exclusives are great. I am a huge MGS fan. But, I don't think any of them will be all that exclusive. Everybody is talking about the lack of sense in exclusive titles. Also, just look back to MGS2, released on both systems (the XBOX saw extra content at that). Now of course, that didn't happen with MGS 3, but I could really see it happening with MGS4. And one more thing. 1080p? Where, in a tennis game? And who cares? I am all for graphics improving and getting more realistic or intense, but does anybody care that much to have blu-ray shoved down our throats for $600 a pop. **** that.

menmau
menmau

The Xbox360 is the best machine on the market. Tomorrow nothing will have changed. Technically speaking, nothing on the PS3 comes close to the beauty of CoD2 or Doa4, the speed and power of PGR3, and the sheer elegance and gaming grace of games like Kameo and PDZ. If one full motion video demo of Metal Gear Solid 4 has convinced you that the PS3 is the better machine, then you haven't opened your eyes to the reality before you. The best next-generation machine from a technical standpoint is the Xbox360. Let other less informed individuals buy a machine capable of less, on the promise of one game thirteen months from now. In the meantime, you and I will be enjoying the technically best games for months to come.

JasonLin
JasonLin

Why am i getting a PS3? because of some PS exclusive titles like MGS4, FF13 and GT5. These titles are the best games in the world and PS3 is the only platform to play them. When are these games going to be on the market? I think quite possibly after the BeiJing 2008 Olympic. So the resolution is simple, spend 250 bucks on an amazing looking and revolutionary Wii this holiday, and having a lot of fun playing with families and friends. Meanwhile keeping up good fights in RainbowSix, SplinterCells, Gears of War, Fable 2, and ultimately Halo3, race your mates in Forza2, kicking the ball in Winning Eleven 2007 and making the basket in NBA 2K7, all online........ All these fun are on XBOX 360, which is on my table now.. and in order to get these games, i have to sell my PS2, PSP and everything relates to them (BTW after 1y and 6m of using it, i think PSP is just a piece of crap in terms of gaming) . So i am happy to say I don't care when PS3 is going to launch in europe, i can wait until after Olympic 2008.... It won't be freaking 425 pounds, it will have best games, and yeah before that i can still have plenty of pleasure with XBOX 360 and Wii. No matter what everyone says, i think PS3 already failed at this moment. Because in the current-generation, PS2 is the first console that a gamer should have, from the first day it launched till its death (possibly sometime in 2007), this has been the truth. But in the next-gen, if you're not a sony fanboy, if you don't have plenty of $$$s in your pocket. XBOX 360 console that you get first. XBOX 360 is a great design, plenty of amazing games, and it's so much fun to play games online, ever arcade games like "Taxes holds them" will just make you want to play everyday after dinner till you sleep. Once you are in XBOX Live family you never wanna quit. I am quite confident to say that i don't need PS3 in my bedroom before winter 2008

FlyingRice
FlyingRice

All I can say is that the people saying Sony has never let them down are living in a fantasy world, and have probably never worked in the video game market either retail or production side. Sony is going to push this blu-ray like crazy and all I have to say is Mini disc or UMD any one? Mini disc being dead and UMD failing, we are back to the Beta / VHS days and Sony has a bad history with pushing stuff down ppls throats, seems the buys toss that back up and Sony takes another loss. I'll probably end up getting a PS3 not at launch that is for sure seeing how that’s twice the blu-ray has failed in Sony’s first set of systems, expect problems. And a $599 is a pretty big problem, especially with a system that is going to do battle with HD players VS Blu-ray, not worth the buy to fail for me right away at least, let this one play out and feel better u kept 600 bucks in your pocket. The best combo right now is the Wii360. This is one of those things where Sony should wait another yr for it, but they can't cus they will lose too much of the market. Also back to my original statement about the fantasy world, PS2 has had more problems then anything, I work retail for Game Stop and I literally get at least 1 ps2 a day, and I’m not exaggerating, on average it's 1 ps2 slim or large both and its completely broken. Won't read discs or turn on and a lot of these I take in are in good shape, not damage noticeable on the outside some times a tad dusty but what isn't, but the thing is just a dead brick if it can't read games and DVDs. Granted the large modle system is broken more offten then the slim, but I have counted at least 10-15 slims that have broke down and come to my one store alone. That is just one store out of game stop / eb games combined 4,000 stores. So if your system breaks only a yr after its warranty or even 2 then there seems to be a problem. Also the fact that they remade the ps2 into the slim one is a problem; you know your crap is broke if u makes a whole new redesign inside and out. Hell my employee has had 3 ps2s all which have broke down and he keeps his stuff high off the floor on a desk that he has it set up on. True that Xbox has a few problems here and there (original Xbox) but nothing like that ps2, and game cube has the best track record. But as far as the 360 true some have had a few problems, I for one have a launch one and have never had a problem with it. But it would just be silly if people seriously thought Sony products have never had a problem or let down any one, one being that PSP handheld great idea but movies are fading now, and the games are the same ones on ps2 with worse controls. The have let down people over and over mainly cus Sony is way to cocky about business and they need to be beaten a bit to come back to reality. So sit back and watch the war of the consoles but if you want some pro advice, get a fun Wii for giggles or go the Wii360 route for a full aspect of gaming, Sony will drop that ps3 price at least 100 by next Christmas and by then u will know what happened with the blu-ray vs. hd player war and plus there will be more games out to play by then. Game on my friends.

haskell420
haskell420

LIVID! Regarding the newset delay of the PS3 is so disappointing, yet ,even more so discouraging. It''s like being told the Original Van Halen has gotton back together, their in the studio, and recording possibly the greatest album ever. Your so excited, pumped up, reading all the great things happening in the studio, hearing bits of songs, and pieces of Eddie's solo's, which are getting you so amped up, you can't wait to have it the album. Excited yet?!! YES But wait! Then later being told, "Well, things aren't going as well as we wanted them too-(see Dave's voice, he's still an ass and Eddie being too almighty). It didn't go as we planned for the band or the album, and some new n exciting things we wanted in the album itself cannot be done. So while we hoped Dave's voice was still kickin, and later found out it's not, we aren't going to include Daves voice on the album, so here's Gary Cherone instead!!! Being an avid gamer since I got the Atari 2600 on christmas day many days back. As I also still have the 5200, the 7800, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Dreamcast, and of course my PS2. This is making me really wonder if Sony is either 1)setting themselves and us, for one of the biggest disapointments in entertainment history, or 2) Have they lost their edge in everything they do? As this is an embarassment to the nth degree. Seriously, how can you have your top men, speak out at conference's touting what the machine will do, how it will look like on screen, how the games will play, and more importantly, how the game actually looks and feels. Then months later say, Oh, so sorry, all that we showed you cannot be done and we aren't gonna be close to shipping as much as we say we are. (How can you NOT make millions of these things and have em ready ) We basically LIED to you all, but we will say it was "financially unrealistic", or something along those lines of deceitfulness. If we included all the extra ports, cables, modems, bigger Hard drive, memory etc., etc., then we cannot make more money on them as "extras". Yes we pre-rendered images so you could see what the possible "potential is" of the machine. But we all know they never actually get that way, but it sounds and looks awesome right? I agree, but we can't let other companies know how to fully utilize the PS3 as that would mean they know some of our secrets and more. (SEE the PS2 stories back then before it came out as the "Potential" was huge? Only thing is we won't let companies know HOW to utilize it to it's fully potential. You had an article a while back stating that Sony had a meeting with the publishers and creaters, and the poll was that ( i think it was only 2 companies, and like 4 games fully used the ps2 sytstem to the fullest,- see GTA, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy ) And yes, we said we would include all you would need as this was the future for home entertainment, including extra HDMI ports and more because this is the "future in our living room for our home entertainment center, but of course that hurts our bottom line and yuo all can wait. So save up your 1000.00 dollars or more for your $500.00 20 GB H.Drive /$600 system-60 GB H. Drive (which is on Blu-Ray-unproven, and problems already with them ). (And of course you know, someone is gonna freak when they realize that the 20GB HD, ISNT BIG ENOUGH!! for some of these games)$60.00 games, $50.00+ extra controller, $50.00+ for a new type of memory card, oops, can't forget the new cables your gonna have to get also,add another $25-100.00 Sorry, but we had to pull your leg a little bit, it was a nice thought though, right? Gotta love potential... ps WI is only 250.00

HuRRiCaNePlaya
HuRRiCaNePlaya

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Tycerion
Tycerion

Hmmmm....I don't know. I'm a Nintendo fan, but I do have a PS2, and it's awesome! I'm just looking forward to the Wii. Though, I was disappointed to see that the money I'd saved up for the PS3 will more than likely end up going to my car payment, and I'll have to wait 'til the hub-bub calms down and people aren't paying thousands of dollars to get their console off eBay or something ridiculous like that. I just see this as a kinda sucky way for Sony to repay their super-avid fans....and I know that it'll pass, but it's kinda of a hard pill to swallow for the ones who have had their hopes running high for the past few months. :? P.S. G3n0sI - I see that you're an XboX fan....why do you have a Nintendo Mario mushroom avatar?

GirlUntold
GirlUntold

Can't say I'm surprised that there's an issue with such high end products being used. Seems ridiculous to me that the products have helped jacked the price up so high, but I digress.

KrAtOs120
KrAtOs120

ps3 is going to kick ass u stupid whore **** Cheaaaaaaaaaaa

G3n0sI
G3n0sI

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jz12b
jz12b

Typical Sony...it's what happens every time with them. Am I still gonna buy one? Yup. PS3 is going to ROCK!!! Sorry to all of our friends across the pond who won't see one until March. I'll ship one to you Air Express for a small finders fee!

sirelfblood
sirelfblood

I'm sick of Europe and the United Kingdom being put on the back burn. Can't we just use the same format for games and video like america and japan, NTSC? I mean, Why are WE different? It doesn't make sense. I'm sick of it. Of course, now, ps3 has already lost the console war, because it will never sell as much as xbox 360, what with ps3 planned to be the big christmas smash!

matt_the_tim
matt_the_tim

if the ps3 was so called pish by some people then y woulnd it be released now and then say its crap when it is going to completely maul the crumby 360 and the wii cos the experts even said that it is better than both consoles put together so take that up ye ya idiots

trotter_2005
trotter_2005

who gives a smegg....8)))))))))))))))))) lots of great games coming out for the xbox 360, can have lots of fun playing them too,

snake_6483
snake_6483

I dont care about the damn launch delays or shortage of units, all i want is a PS3 that wont break like my freind's 360. What's the point of going out and buying a thing like this and having it break right away!? let them finish it and get the greatest thing to hit gaming since the Geforce 7950!!!

blancobo
blancobo

As dissapointing as it seems, looks and feels... I can only stay on focus with the undeniable fact: Sony has NEVER let me down when it comes into game quality, variety and market. The PS franchise has many more games than any other franchise, many more iterations/variations/types of games. WIth the new console, graphs will be equal or better that XBox ever were, and in the end... Blue Ray might be a shooting star... but it is still the HIGHEST storage DVD out there period. My vote to the PS3

b_w_pratomo
b_w_pratomo

It's always dissapointing when the release date of any product has been delayed, especially for Europeans who seem to always be the last in line for games but there's nothing much any of us can do (unless you're a Sony Exec). Personally I don't care that much on who wins the "Next Gen" console wars, the fiercer the battle the better! it can only mean bigger and better games for consumers, regardless of which console he/she owns. And about the debates on "which one's better?"...well let's see in a years time....it's too early to call the race when 2 of the 3 contestants haven't showed up yet!