GameSpot GamePlay Episode 49: E3PO Meets King Organa

Tom Mc Shea takes over Kevin's hosting duties this week to explore EVO 2013 and Star Wars geekery with Caro and Peter.

GameSpot GamePlay Episode 49: E3PO Meets King Organa

It's Hammerhead time with Tom Mc Shea, Carolyn Petit, and Peter Brown, who longingly pine for the absent Kevin VanOrd (no they don't) before delving into the world of e-sports, the growing anger over Rovio's best-known game franchise, and a future in which everything is made just so it can have a sequel.

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yotaruvegeta
yotaruvegeta

I bet someone already pointed this out, but Peter IMMEDIATELY lost the Star Wars name game because he a) used the name of a vehicle, not a person and b) didn't think of the name Anakin Skywalker.

misterBullseye
misterBullseye

Excellent excellent job hosting this episode mr McShea. You nearly drove me mad last episode with your tirade against Crysis and VanOrd, but this episode you were really together. Kudos!!

destemido
destemido

Another great episode. I'm an old fan of Fighting Games, and I loved watching Evo this year, but I have to agree it still feels a bit amateurish. That can be good in some aspects, I'm sure, but if they want to be taken seriously they do need to step it up. Alot of the commentators are players, so I guess maybe some of them aren't a good fit to the job. I really liked what everyone had to say on the matter. Thumbs up =)

Lord_Python1049
Lord_Python1049

Tom did a great job, except for the part where he stopped. Too short Mc Shea!! :P

arthur_dayne
arthur_dayne

The name of the Ithorian in the Mos Eisley cantina is Momaw Nadon, not Hammerhead.  Now excuse me while I go back down to my mom's basement and sort my Star Wars CCG card collection by midi-chlorian count.

Chiyou
Chiyou

I enjoyed the discussion on franchises, I feel like big studios like Ubisoft are smart to try to make franchises instead of one off games because the development costs are so high to create new IP. There is a place for games that aren't franchises for sure but they're obviously less profitable.. There are very few great games in which I didn't want to see a follow up game to so it's not really a bad thing for Ubi to aim for.

Sun-Tzu-GE
Sun-Tzu-GE

I love what Peter Brown said : "The first game they loved still exists and it's still untouched" .I'm tired of hearing people complaining that they are milking a certain franchise or whatever.If you feel that theyare milking your favorite franchise it's your fault if you get upset.Nobody is forcing you to buy it. 

MasterOfMordor
MasterOfMordor

Playing video games is not sport.  Sport as defined by a simple google search is "An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others".  I don't feel playing a video game meets the physical exertion criteria.  Does playing a game on the highest level require skill, of course, but so does painting a picture.  Should competitive painting be considered a sport?

b0sc02
b0sc02

Tom, I'm surprised to hear your comments about the paid online pass idea. While I don't appreciate online passes, I think it is important for companies to recoup server costs and discourage used sales. I know it is viewed as "anti-consumer" to find ways to encourage new-game sales and dlc, but I think the second hand market (with their unwillingness to compensate developers/publishers) has just as much to do with the state in which games are made and marketed now. Long gone are the days where we can "unlock" Robin or Catwoman. Now publishers and developers are forced to sell content that used to be free to compensate for lost sales. 

For instance, I just bought, played and beat Tomb Raider. I think it is silly (and somewhat insulting) that I have to pay $0.99 for extra skins for Lara. I get that it is totally optional (and cheap)  --  however, that would have been a feature rewarded to me for collecting X number of collectibles in the past. Is it not enough that I purchased the game and played it to it's full completion?

xavor01
xavor01

Van'Nord out adventuring again I guess XD.

Longini
Longini

The thing Peter mentioned about how the commentators shouldn't be using as many terms that only fighting game players understand and speak more towards the common folk, I don't really see commentators of other sports doing that. Like in Hockey they never explain what an offside or an icing is, and even if people don't know that, all they really need to know is they have to put the puck in the net. Just like in fighting games you know you just gotta beat the other dude until his life is gone. Mainly though I think if they did that it would get some backlash from the FGC, but who knows, and I think the commentators are getting a lot better anyways and seem very committed to doing so.

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

If it's not Angry Birds I can't stand , it's the Skylanders figures. :P

AndCarlsen
AndCarlsen

Would people who don't play videogames watch a tournament like EVO? You guys talked about Poker, but even though some people might not play it, they probably know how it's played. Fighting games are some of the most simple games to understand, but the mechanics and rules still represent a barrier to one's enjoyment.

Maybe in a few decades, when a larger number of people are used to the traits of videogames in general, we'll be able to watch a tournament like EVO on TV.

MuggyTadpole
MuggyTadpole

So anyone who thinks 343 are destroying Halo should just deal with it and not voice their anger, frustration and sadness that one of their favourite fictional characters of all time is being shamelessly destroyed?

Ly_neku_ly
Ly_neku_ly

@Longini whenever my cousins watch sports i sit there asking what every term means and i still dont know what they mean. Not only that but Shoryuken had a little vocabulary on their site that they gave so others would understand i still dont see sports do that.

arthur_dayne
arthur_dayne

@carolynmichelle 
Damn, I bow to your more old school nerdery than my own.  Also while I have your attention I'd like to tell you I think your perspective on games is the best that gamespot has to offer and that I am a huge fan.

Sun-Tzu-GE
Sun-Tzu-GE

@MuggyTadpole How are they destroying halo ? Because I don't know about you but my old halo discs are still intact and I can play them whenever I want.Did 343 come to your house and scratched your  halo 1,2,3 discs ?

TomMcShea
TomMcShea

@MuggyTadpole How is 343 destroying Halo? Halo 4 was certainly better than Halo Reach, and more complete than ODST. It's the formula that's getting old.

MasterOfMordor
MasterOfMordor

@destemido @MasterOfMordor if you are sponsored to play poker or chess are you an athlete?  Does it mean you are playing a sport?  I feel like the definitions of athlete and sport are bandied about a little do freely.  Don't misunderstand, I am certainly no jock looking down upon gamers anyone else, but competition does not equal sport whether it is sponsored, at the professional level, or any other tag you want to throw on it.  A NASCAR driver is not an athlete, and NASCAR is not a sport, esports as you call them, are even farther removed from sport.  But I guess in a world where the Olympics can remove wrestling but keep ping pong, anything is up for discussion as a "sport", unfortunately.

Lord_Python1049
Lord_Python1049

@MuggyTadpole IF a character doesn't look like you you can't aspire to be him? Just wondering, because everyone looks different unless you're a twin, and if you're a different 'race', yeah, you look more different. But it's entirely cosmetic, I find President Obama someone to aspire to myself just so you know :) 

But I agree, they should never have revealed his face. It's meaningless.

TomMcShea
TomMcShea

@MuggyTadpole I haven't touched Halo 4 multiplayer and couldn't care less about Master Chief's face. Also, I played through the campaign and didn't even know they showed his face. So, I guess it wasn't a huge moment? Not sure.

From my perspective, Halo 4 is the best entry in the franchise since Halo 3... it's just the formula is getting stale.

MasterOfMordor
MasterOfMordor

@MuggyTadpole I haven't played Halo since the first game way back when, so I'll disregard your first argument.  The second argument, I completely agree with however.  Turning a faceless hero who can be anyone you want him to be in to an Aryan god is not fair to the millions of people who have imagined him as themselves for well over a decade.  On their podcasts, the staff loves to decry the "horrible"  depiction women get in video games, because "they aren't like me" (Carolyn is the most egregious offender of this) but when you make such an argument McShea runs away rather than acknowledging that you  might be right.

Keep in mind, I only agree with this specific case because he has been faceless for so long.  I do not believe game designers should be beholden to the fact that some game players are "brown" as you say, or they dont have huge breasts, or they don't have bulging biceps.  But if for example in Mass Effect 3 they took away "your" Shephard and said "nope this is the one true Shephard", the gaming world and the entire staff at gamespot would have gone ballistic and with good reason.  You are having the same crisis with "your" Master Chief and people tell you to suck it up.  That is just wrong.

MuggyTadpole
MuggyTadpole

The Multiplayer is broken and they showed Master Chief's face.

You have to wait 20 minutes on end to get a game going in even the most popular game modes; you join a game and the servers take another ten minutes to choose a suitable host and when they do, the lag makes the game unplayable. If you still have a copy of Halo 4, go online and see the number of players online at any time, they are comparable to the number of Reach players two years after release.

Plus, I don't know about you, but my Master Chief doesn't have blue eyes, blond hair and white skin. Being brown, dark eyed and black haired, my heroes should look a bit more like myself. The moment Master Chief was typecasted into a strong white man was the moment he was removed from my reach. I can never aspire to be him, since he can never be like me.  

And that is how, 343 destroyed Halo.

MasterOfMordor
MasterOfMordor

@destemido @MasterOfMordor First off, thank you for the level headed and well argued response.  I will concede that by calling them e-sports you can argue that they are a wholly different breed of game than what I would consider "true" sports, and therefore not beholden to the definition or convention of what a sport is.  

I suppose my issue is with the people who wish to have e-sports considered on the same lines as what I and many others consider to be true sport, and by including the word "sport" in what they do, it adds a weight to it that isn't deserved in my opinion.  

I know they are skillful, I know they practice, but athletes play sports, and gamers play games.  If you are a high level gamer you are still just a gamer, you have not transcended into "athlete", and the game has not transcended into "sport", just competition for money.

Put it this way, when you play DOTA2 with friends for fun, you say you are playing a game, but you get insanely good at it and start playing it competitively for money; why would you then say you are playing any sport, e or otherwise?  Whereas if I go play softball tonight for nothing but fun, I am still playing a sport, even though no money or audience is involved.

destemido
destemido

@MasterOfMordor @destemido I don't completely disagree with what you are saying. While certainly not athletes, they do have to train their body and mind for competition. I think sport and e-sport are very different things, for sure. Just like mail and e-mail have some differences, and some common aspects. But i have to say i do think e-sport does somewhat fit the google description of what sport is. Playing video games can be tiresome for your brain, eyes, arms, fingers, back... even ass xD Sure, it's not over the top physical exertion, but there it is there to some extent. Just like you said, if ping pong can be considered a sport... why can't some video games become e-sports?