GameSpot GamePlay Episode 13: Double Jesus

Gordon van Dyke from Paradox goes medieval on host Kevin VanOrd, but Carolyn Petit, Tom Mc Shea, and Peter Brown are there to soften the blow.

GameSpot GamePlay Episode 13: Double Jesus

Gordon van Dyke from Paradox Interactive pimps the just-released War of the Roses and demonstrates his severe misunderstanding of giraffe anatomy. Also, host Kevin VanOrd makes The Netherlands an honorary member of Scandinavia, Carolyn Petit recalls Jack Bauer's finest moments, and Peter Brown ponders whether Zone of the Enders 2 is better than the original.

Also, Kevin and Gordon know way too much about the artist formerly know as the artist formerly known as Prince.

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bgranli
bgranli

Another great show! 

Tvidal
Tvidal

Great show guys. Just so you know, about a game that was being developed by one company and finished by another, I know another one: Red Dead Revolver.

 

The original PS2 game was started by Capcom believe or not.  Red Dead Revolver was a spiritual sequel of their 1985 title Gun Smoke. They dropped it in 2002 for some reason then Rockstar bought the franchise and finished the game for PS2. It was a decent game, but today we have the awesome Red Dead Redemption as a result.

ilantis
ilantis

How do I download the podcast using a downloader manager as Jdownloader ? The link is strange and it can't be processed. I'm asking because I can download much faster using a manager and my connection is only 1.5M.

Disturbed_88
Disturbed_88

i just noticed 80% of Kevin VanOrd's sentences end with a question mark...

Okabe_Anim
Okabe_Anim

Love this show and Quoted for Truth!! 

nyran125
nyran125

i expect an hour long Resident Evil 6 podcast and everyone to have played the full game for discussion thx :)

HailHellfire
HailHellfire

Secret World!!!

i love the opening music to that game

SolanOcard
SolanOcard

Wish I knew about this podcast before, I stumbled across it at #11, I downloaded them all... now I just need to find the time to listen. Anyway, I just wanted to know if War of the Roses was chosen as a time period that needed a game because of the popularity of Game of Thrones and George R. R. Martin basing it loosely on that historical conflict. I think there must be... because the timing of the game just seems odd. There are many medieval / early renaisance conflicts that could have served this purpose. Its almost like cashing in on the success of Game of Thrones without needing to license it... accept very few people will likely actually make that connection.

zbarfbag
zbarfbag

Great podcast...going to check out War of the roses

charlesdao
charlesdao

Great show! Dont stop doing this podcast!

WCK619
WCK619

I don't see Notch's comments as inherently hypocritical. Maybe he just thinks the PC specifically is best as a completely open system, but doesn't mind if other systems aren't. There's room in this world for both open and closed platforms. I don't see why it's hypocritical just because he's released his game on iOS and XBLA. Those systems aren't the PC.

Falzonn
Falzonn

Wow, I even guessed 6.2 on Time Sweeper.  Creepy.

OleMarthin
OleMarthin

Notch do know that the certification stuff for windows 8 only is for the windows store right? you can still install what ever you want on a windows 8 PC. i have in fact play a whole lot of Minecraft on my windows 8 pc. and making Minecraft not playable on win 8 means it do not work on windows 7...as every program that runs on win7 runs on win8

RealFabioSooner
RealFabioSooner

I have not finished listening to this episode yet, but I can't help but agree with Mr. VanOrd about Notch and Windows 8.

 

I do not know the system fully yet and I understand when developers are less than pleased about of how it separates tile-based apps from regular applications (that is, if you don't certificate an app/game for Windows 8, it will still work, but only on the classic Desktop interface, not the new touch-inspired one).

 

But anyone who has released an app/game on friggin' *****iOS***** simply has NO GROUNDS WHATSOEVER to complain about anything being 'less open', NEVER. Period. No matter how well-liked one's game is. It's as hypocritical as preaching socialism while flying first class only (Rage Against the Machine, I'm looking at you). Thinking about it, it's not only hypocrisy - in both cases, it's a desperate, teenage-y plea for attention by trying to claim one's 'against the man' and 'caring about others'. But oh boy, how they appreciate when 'the man' extends his hands to them.

 

That's one of the reasons why I never bought Minecraft and never will, not even if it were the best game ever (and it most clearly isn't, and never will be). I remember some time ago how Notch was getting into some sort of personal crisis about being 'indie' or not. Come to think of it, it was already a stupid thing to care about, specially since there's no dancing around facts - if you are not owned by a larger company and you fund your own games, you're indie, PERIOD. Any other consideration beyond that is immaterial, an affectation. But guess what - being indie doesn't make anyone less of a jerk. Much to the contrary, it can amplify the jerkiness in people. So Notch, instead of worrying about being indie or not, how about worrying about not regressing to your teenage years every time you open your mouth?

ilantis
ilantis

It's the first time that I took some time to listen to a GS podcast, I listened for 40' and I'll probably listen to the rest on my mp3. Good show ;) P.s: for Alan Wake I personally would have chosen "children of the elder god" 'cause it's just kickass but also a lot of the rock songs are done by this same band and the singer is the same, so I was quite surprised when nobody guessed it

FuriousHamst3r
FuriousHamst3r

Mount and Blade Warband is addictive because it had singleplayer and multiplayer. Seeing that War of the Roses takes the concept of medieval fighting (swords and shiels, bows, throwable weapons, pole weapons) from Warband, I really hoped that it would have a singlplayer portion available. I wanted to conquer castels and different lands, build up a economy and lead an army against other ennemies, not just participate in TDM that has no impact except on you leveling up and getting better weapons and armor. I am eagerly waiting for M & B 2, that being said I might give War of the Roses a try, might!

gamingnerd121
gamingnerd121

Enslaved had great writing? I'm not sure what world you're in, but that fell apart completely.

seniorcanardo
seniorcanardo

Not that I want to open a can of worms, but about Heavy Rain, I think the story holds up fine. It is a matter on whether you can relate with the main character and I don't think you can do that if you don't have children of your own. While you can an have en empathic understanding of the bonds between parent and child if you don't have children, the game really resonates with the gamer if he/she has children. The motivations of the main character and what he is willing to do to save his other son become more understandable and plausible...

 

WCK619
WCK619

If you want listener participation bring back homework assignments like you had back on Hotspot long ago.

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

This was really good and I will be sending in an email to you soon  :)

psuedospike
psuedospike

First off I want to say that Gamespot needs to stick to their strong suit: talk shows like this and video segments, not reviews.  Cause both Kevin and Carolyn just posted, in my opinion, some of the worst reviews I have ever read.  I can't believe you didn't discuss all the low scoring review you guys have been giving lately.  Maybe on Quoted for Truth if you get another big fat angry guy to come in and tell it like it is.

 

That being said, I LOVED the response from Gordon to Tom about his old military shooter authenticity argument.  It was spot on!  A game is for escapism first and foremost and he nailed how I feel about that issue.

 

Certification has always been around hasn't it?  Atari certified, Nintendo, Sega, right on down the line.  It is archaic and unnecessary and costs too much, but it's more about buying licensing than about the platform bug checking games.

 

Windows 8 is kinda silly, I've installed and played with it.  It's Windows 7 with a mobile OS front end.  It is just made for all the touch screen stuff.  Kevin is right, MS will just add a mobile app type store where you can buy stuff, but "hackers" will always be able to install anything on a Windows box regardless.

 

I'm looking forward to playing ZOE again!  Limited editions are dumb,,,except for that super sweet leather jacket from the $1700 RE6 Collectors edition (who would buy that).

 

Everyone hates on Capcom cause they are an easy target for Western critics.  Sometimes that gouge and sometimes they take a chance on new IP and succeed.  But, Haters gonna Hate.

 

I've seen every episode of 24 too, love it Carolyn!  Did you play the PS2 game? 24 should have a new game even if the show is gone.

 

No reviewers played Panzer Dragoon Saga except Dave Halverson that I know of, cause most game reviewers I'm convinced don't actually love games.  Nights was great, but if I wanna play it I'll play my Saturn version...I might get the arcade game tho.  How is Nights not a good game Tom?  That's a dumb statement to make.

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @ilantis Did you try downloading directly from Soundcloud's site?  Sometimes the widgets act funny when using a 3rd party download manager...

Kevin-V
Kevin-V moderator staff

 @Disturbed_88 My role is generally to ask questions on the show. After all, we are structured like a quiz show!

SolanOcard
SolanOcard

I feel like a tool, I obviously mean renaissance.

Kevin-V
Kevin-V moderator staff

 @WCK619 I personally don't think Notch was being all-out hypocritical--but I do think he jumped to some quick conclusions (connecting A to Z) without necessarily knowing (or at least communicating that he knew) that there is a difference between the Windows store and Windows as a game platform. 

 

Clearly, though, he sees Windows store certification as a step in the wrong direction. Notch isn't knows for being diplomatic, necessarily, and he used typically strong words to express his point of view :)

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @psuedospike So.... they don't enjoy video games, and yet they decide to immerse themselves in them as a profession... okay...

TomMcShea
TomMcShea

 @psuedospikeA game, like any form of media, is more than just "escapism" because it effects, however subtly, how we view the world. Portraying war as a fun pastime creates a dangerous contrast to the terrifying reality.

 

About Nights, I'm not reviewing it and I only played the HD remake for about an hour, but I found it to be a tedious eye sore. Maybe my feelings would change if I sunk more time in it, but, aside from the novelty of merging racing and platforming, I found nothing  interesting in my limited time with it. Who knows, maybe I'm missing something special, but it certainly didn't hook me in the first hour.

RealFabioSooner
RealFabioSooner

 @psuedospike Just a small correction. There's no need to 'hack' anything to install programs and games on Windows 8. It still features the classic desktop interface, where you'll be able to run any app/game that was developed for Vista/7 at the very least, and probably most XP apps/games too. It's just that by not certifying your app/game for the new Windows 8 touch-oriented interface and Store, you'll lose a lot of visibility in those systems where people get used to the new interface and never switch back to the classic interface. But you can do that with a single swipe/click anytime, so it's not THAT much of a hassle. It's pretty much like doing a PC game without Games for Windows Live - you can do it as much as you want (and many studios DO prefer to do it).

ilantis
ilantis

 @psuedospike Omg did you really wrote that Kevin and Caroyl make bad reviews ? Have you been reading other reviews behind cereal boxes or what ?

WCK619
WCK619

certification wasn't always around. There was a time when anyone could release a video game for a platform with no seal of approval or guidelines, and it was almost disastrous.

Lhomity
Lhomity

 @psuedospike I beg to differ. The quality of reviews at GameSpot are second to none. The real problem is people who get butthurt when reviewers don't tell them what they want to hear, or can't handle that a reviewer has a different opinion about a game. And yes, I've read your comments in some recent reviews, notably RE6.

 

Reviewers, like anybody else, have their own tastes and opinions and can only tell you about their own experiences with a game. That is what reviewing is. Learn to live with it, or stick to fan-site "reviews" where a guy who sleeps on a printed Leon Kennedy pillow, with his custom-made Jill Valentine nightshades on, tells you everything about every RE game is awesome and uses a 7.0 to describe something bad.

Disturbed_88
Disturbed_88

 @Kevin-V  Hey, I'm not judging, it was just an observation. Pretty good show by the way, keep it up!

Kevin-V
Kevin-V moderator staff

 @Sgthombre How do you conclude that we don't like video games? We don't necessarily like a given game; we're people that way. As far as I can tell, your beef is that you like some particular games that other people don't, or that you don't like the scores certain games you like received on GameSpot. Leaping to "we don't like games" because a certain staff member doesn't like a certain game that you like is ridiculous.

 

Every member of the GS staff has incredible passion for games. In fact, we have such passion that we expect a lot out of the games we play, and we praise them when they are wonderful--and call them out when they are not. We are critics, not fanboys and fangirls. We're not here to make Sgthombre feel good by loving things he loves--we're here to dissect and evaluate. That evaluation is then communicated to you, the reader and viewer, through words and images. Our value as critics is not determined on whether we give high scores to games Sgthombre (or any other person) likes, and I am not sure how any thinking person could reasonably conclude that any given review at any given publication should mirror the thoughts and feelings of "random Internet inhabitant."

 

Surely you can see how remarkably ludicrous such an expectation is. All you have to do is look at reader reviews for any particular game to see that random Internet inhabitants don't share a universal hive mind, each person liking different things from the next. Such is the wonder of being individual. If we were to write solely to please Sgthombre from the Internet, we would be displeasing some other person. What makes "agreeing with Sgthombre" more important than "agreeing with Internet user #8,887,032?" Aside from the fact that you are Sgthombre (and therefore it is about you), what makes telling you what you wish to hear more important than telling #8,887,032 what he wants to hear?

 

If you are hoping for us to get giddy over every game we play, well, that won't happen. If we did, we would no longer be critics. And if you expect that everything people say or share will magically coincide with your own words and thoughts, well, all I can say is that we don't live in that world. I, for one, am grateful that we are all capable of reaching our own conclusions based on our individual experiences. The Borg Cube may have what you seek, but no gaming publication does. 

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @Sgthombre They didn't ejoy any of the three great games I mentioned, so I would say no they have become cynical critics and lost objectivity maybe, I don't know.

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @TomMcShea  @psuedospike ^This is one of the reasons I love Gamespot. People call out staff people in the comments, and the staff members actually answer them. MAD respect. 

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @RealFabioSooner Maybe I wasn't crystal clear, but I know I was just saying that if Windows tries to lock down the OS (which it won't) it will never be a problem to install whatever the user wants.  I did mention that I have it installed and tested it, right?  I work in IT and have working with every OS as well as ever iteration of Windows since 3.1, so thaks for the clarification, but it isn't needed.

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @WCK619 How so?  I remember ATARI games having a Seal of Approval on most of them, I know it isn't required I'm just saying the certification thing has been around a long time, it's nothing new not that it was mandatory like on XBLA.  That's all.

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @Lhomity I can live with someones opinion if they can live with  mine.  I'm not going to keep quiet when I think a game gets unfairly bashed and then hundreds of people jump on the bandwagon of hate.  Sorry if you don't likethat, but you'll have to learn to live with it I suppose.

Lord_Python1049
Lord_Python1049

 @psuedospikeYou're making up excuses for why it was a terrible score, other than the fact that the game didnt work for Kevin. It happens all the time with people; republicans must be stupid, liberals must be stupid, the reviewer must have been paid off etc etc. It's insidious and it stops good quality debate. The only complaint you can legitimately lodge against Kevin is that the review wasn't articulate enough that you can't comprehend his dislike of the game.

kenjing1
kenjing1

 @psuedospike You said this, "First off I want to say that Gamespot needs to stick to their strong suit: talk shows like this and video segments, not reviews."  And then you say, "I don't see why it's OK for you to hate a game and write a scathing review, but it's wrong for me to dismiss said review as I actually enjoy the game." Guess what?? IT'S THEIR JOB TO WRITE REVIEWS AND CRITIC GAMES HOWEVER THEY WANT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!! THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR OPINION AND THEIRS IS THAT THEY WORK FOR A WEBSITE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO WRITE REVIEWS AND POST THEIR OPINIONS ON THE SITE, HOWEVER THEY WANT, AND YOUR OPINIONS ON THE SITE ARE NOT NEEDED!! DO YOU WORK FOR GAMESPOT???NO!! SO YOUR OPINIONS ON THE SITE ARE NOT NEEDED, WHERE AS THEIRS ARE REQUIRED!!! AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, GO BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE!!!

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @Kevin-V  @Sgthombre Kevin, let me just dispel this idea that I want you to change your review or have the same "hive-mind" opinion as me!  I don't want this and never said I do.  As I have said numerous times before, you have your opinion and I have mine.  I get this rediculious comment all the time from Gamespot fanboys and fangirls when I don't agree with a review and it's simply not logical.  I was merely being facetious with the "you must not love games" comment as a way of expressing my disappointment with a few recent reviews.  I thought at least you would understand that I'm not just randomly bashing your review because I disagree with it, I'm bashing it because I think it's wrong and less informed gamers might just blindly listen to it and discard Resident Evil 6 as a Poor game, which in my opinion it is absolutely not. Now, I could go into all the reasons again, but that's not the point anymore.  My point is: Just as you defend you review and perspective I have the right to defend my perspective and just like you feel the need to warn your readers that RE6 is terrible I feel the need to warn them that your review is terrible and offer counter-points as to why.  It's a solid game and having played probably just as many games as you (I've played every RE game to completion except ORC) I don't see why it's OK for you to hate a game and write a scathing review, but it's wrong for me to dismiss said review as I actually enjoy the game.  You didn't like the cutscenes and QTE, but I and many others either liked them or didn't mind them at all.  It's the natural progression of the series and after reading the review I can only assume that you have problems with the direction of the series more than problems with the actual gameplay and production.

 

This argument of "we are not all going to have the same opinion" is not a good argument because it works both ways.  You assume so much as to tell me to seek another site that will cater to what I like, but I don't want that and think you are being intentionally condescending to discredit my backhanded comment about not liking games, but the sad fact is that you did not like RE6 - a good game, Carolyn did not like One Piece and dismissed it as just another Dynasty Warriors clone and another dude said Jet Set Radio is terrible and unplayable this day in age.  So, three great games called garbage by the same site from different people means to me that these reviewers didn't like playing these good games...what else am I supposed to take from these reviews?  I read the articles and tried to understand the hate, but I just can't as I too have played these games and think differently.  I have a different opinion and I will make my opinion heard.  If you expect me to respect your opinion (as I stated I did earlier) then you must do the same.

 

Thank you again for your response!

WCK619
WCK619

 @psuedospike certification and licensing guidelines/rules aren't anything new, you're right about that. But I remember researching gaming console history and there was a time when a market for a system was flooded with unstable garbage because there was no "seal of approval" yet.

Kickable
Kickable

 @psuedospike  @Lhomity what's an example?  sometimes these bandwagons of hate could just be popular opinion, and accurate :P

psuedospike
psuedospike

 @Sgthombre  @Lhomity Well, as 'unfairly' is a subjective term used to express opinion how is that a problem for you?  I also said that I meant no disrespect below, so...

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @psuedospike  @Lhomity You lost me at "unfairly". When Gamespot says something you don't want to hear, its unfair, but when you shower something with praise it's a opinion that must be respected. HYPOCRISY HO!