Gamers 'overcharged' for modern DLC, says Witcher dev

CD Projekt Red game director says add-on content should be seen as a free "post-sale service."

CD Projekt Red game director Konrad Tomaszkiewicz claims gamers are being "overcharged for what they receive" from modern downloadable content. Speaking to VG247, the Witcher developer said DLC today does not offer as much content as it did in the past.

Most modern DLC is not worth the price, Tomaszkiewicz claims.

"If today's DLCs offered the same amount of content they would be worth paying for, but in most cases players think they are overcharged for what they receive," Tomaszkiewicz said. "That’s why we offer expansions to our game for free. This is also a way of saying 'thank you' to the people who decided to buy our game instead of copying it from an unauthorized source."

Elsewhere in the interview, Tomaszkiewicz explained that CD Projekt Red has "always believed in free DLC" and that DLC should be seen as a "normal post-sale service that shouldn't be priced."

"Back when retail games were dominant, we had expansion packs," he continued. "These were really large chunks of content, which were worth their price."

Tomaszkiewicz's comments follow a statement from CD Projekt Red co-founder and joint CEO Marcin Iwinski, who said last month that the current industry trend is to "overexploit" gamers. He suggested publishers will lose business if they continue to charge for DLC and can actually stand to benefit from offering such add-ons for free.

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murderdoll82
murderdoll82

They all say the same till they get popular. Then they turn greedy and try to milk us all. Case in point: EA-DICE battlefield statements.

Mecamatt
Mecamatt

I miss when DLC would release at a price, and then a month later it would be free. You could play those new maps on Halo for 5 dollars, OR you could just wait until February.

blaze_boy30
blaze_boy30

It pains me to see that devs like CD Projekt Red are merely exceptions in the gaming industry rather than the standard. Someone should give this guy a medal.

Gusz2
Gusz2

one game that i was interested in buying was Sleeping Dogs, until one producer (i think) said that they'll make DLC's until the end of this year... no more interest...

Cruisemissile
Cruisemissile

And I supported these guys by buying a copy of The Witcher Enhanced Edition and Witcher 2!

AMCope
AMCope

Why can't we have more Bro-tier Developers like CDPR anymore? This is how you do DLC: Free.

Razer361
Razer361

I felt ripped off after my first little big planet 2 purchase, and yet I keep purchasing them... WHY?

DrHyde
DrHyde

Civilization, Fallout 3, Elder Scrolls, and even the Sims to some degree show what real DLC is. It's not just a costume or a weapon, it's an entirely new experience to the game. That's what we need and want for DLC: a reason to pick up a game that we beat months ago again.

jay0012k3
jay0012k3

I am not at all surprised that this is coming from the world's BEST RPG developer at the moment - CD Projeckt. Witcher 2 is the BEST when it comes to a mature and fulfilling RPG game. I never believed in the concept of DLCs unless they brought something unique and new to the base game. Honestly, a lot of the DLCs today are cheap pot shots. I hope somebody is paying attention, Bioware and Bethesda *cough cough*. 

Kravyn81
Kravyn81

Preach it, sister! Till this day I have not bought one piece of DLC for any game because it's a scam. If a certain demographic of gamers are too stupid to realize this fact, then they deserve to drive this industry into the ground where you have to pay for each LEVEL in a game to continue. So enjoy where the industry is going, those who support this BS.

M3o5nster
M3o5nster

Bout time someone from the industry comes out and says this publicly.

 

Speak with your wallets.

Darkefka
Darkefka

we definitly need mroe devs like this one, Capcom, making us pay for several on-disc characters ,day one DLC, and devs not finishing a game because they can simply put the rest of it on DLC for extra money... DLC should be things made after the game is done, to keep the hype for the game a a certain treshold, not a mean to make more money...

 

Devs are the ones ruining the gaming industry not used games, used games are games they have already been paid for... the car industry isn't ruined by the used car market... yet more people buy used cars then people buy used games... greedy people are the worst

servb0ts
servb0ts

"If today's DLCs offered the same amount of content they would be worth paying for, but in most cases players think they are overcharged for what they receive," Tomaszkiewicz said. "That’s why we offer expansions to our game for free. This is also a way of saying 'thank you' to the people who decided to buy our game instead of copying it from an unauthorized source."

 

^^We need more Developers who think like this, because MOST Developers have already Brained Washed the masses into thinking they're hurting from Used games. When infact those developers are what's hurting Gamers and Gaming in general.

toddx77
toddx77

I just remembered that a few months ago this guy on facebook was defending Mass Effect 3's day 1 DLC because as he put it "games are too expensive to make.  Publishers need to make back the money they spent on making the game and you don't need to play from ashes to understand the game"  When I told him that its unethical for a publisher to to take content out of a game to charge us extra, especially day 1 on disc dlc, and that it EA wants to make their money back in costs they should focus on making a quality game he didn't understand and just kept defending the day 1 dlc.  I just love how he said DLC is needed to basically break even but CDPR has never charged for DLC and is nowhere near the size or man power of EA but are doing just fine lol.

NoDzombie
NoDzombie

could not agree with this more, i love these guys

jark888
jark888

The last sentence is very true on my case. I stop buying any game that have DLC for quite sometimes. Stop supporting abused business practice, micro transaction (DLC in particular), and those publisher would stop conducting it. I believe this outrage will stop in soon future (I'm talking about a few years ahead when much more consumers become wiser).

jark888
jark888

I could not agree more.

 

GodGamer1995
GodGamer1995

If only all Devs were the same. 

Thanks Guys :)

tgwolf
tgwolf

That female in the background has a familiar look about her...she looks as if she has done more damage to her own self than whatever experiences life has 'thrown at her'. I'm certain the plot would bear out my theory. 

jimrhurst
jimrhurst

There was an editorial here on GS not that long ago talking about how the key problem is that publishers won't choose between whether DLC is created to combat piracy or to generate additional revenue.  So they choose both and try to milk their consumer base to death.  We can see through that and so it ticks us off.

 

CD Project has the wisdom to have at least made a clear choice.  They sell fancy special editions of the retail product to generate extra revenue from their biggest fans.  Fair enough.  Then they release free patches and free DLC to reward people who bought the product new rather than used or pirated.  And we as consumers see both of these as fair dealing.

 

I can only hope they continue to be successful and their views pay off so that the bigger fish take notice and curb some of their most abusive practices.  Long live CDPR!

Henninger
Henninger

Now i know the world is coming to an end. Theres a developer out there who actually thinks about the customers/gamers. Please never change ur attitude towards DLC.

Mandalorian_81
Mandalorian_81

I can understand companies charging for DLC because there are idiots out there who will pay for all kinds of rubbish and as long as there are idiots there will be companies to exploit them.

 

I think the advent of MSP (microsoft points) makes things worse. Once someone gets MSP they dont see it as money as much so they dont mind spending it on any old junk.

 

DLC for free is definitely the way to go. Gamers can be a very loyal bunch and if a company is in the good graces of the gamers then they will be supported better. I dont know about everyone else but if a company looks after its customers then id be more inclined to buy their games new and even pre-order more games because i know i'd be getting the full experience and not be charged for little extras that should have either been in the game in the first place or added as free updates.

 

The only time i feel DLC is worth money is in cases like the GTA IV DLC but i think of them more as expansions. TLaD and BoGT were like whole new games that offered a lot of new content and experience but were also tied to the original game and enhance that also. This is what true chargeable DLC should be like, not just a few maps or a couple of hours of extra gameplay  or some pretty weapons and costumes but propper full on expansions that give many hours more gameplay and content, otherwise they should be free.

 

Until DLC goes down this rout I will continue to rent games and buy preowned at cheaper prices unless its something awesome like sleeping dogs is looking

Coren_Larken
Coren_Larken

I do like this idea...I have never minded paying for DLC when I felt like I got what I was paying for. There have been times I feel I've been significantly gipped. I know some business models *ahem* EA *cough* seem to call to charge for everything. I know the business has to grow, and companies have to make money--but it's nice when a company shows us that they appreciate our business and the fact that we keep them going.

interrasteral7
interrasteral7

Thank you CD Projekt Red Studio, because with publishers doing b***s*** with the DLC like Activision and Crapcom. I feel like Kickstarter will go downhill like DLC thanks to those idiot Penny Arcade gals and guy that used it as to get rid of in game ads.

mystic_knight
mystic_knight moderator

This guy is a legend. He's out there for the people unlike capcom and EA, even sony.

Thankfully microsoft is still a little decent on the charging side and don't charge uselessly for things such as online passes.

desperate001
desperate001

Funniest DLC's are different outfits, or colors of existing outfits for games. I can't help but relate to it but, game developers (Mostly referring to fighting games) should take a piece of Marvel Vs Capcom 2. All of the additional characters, modes, and pallet swaps, all for in game currency. Nowadays every character not in the original line up would be like 5 bucks each.

yomonkey
yomonkey

I really hope CD project is making money. I would hate to see them go under, But I guess they must be to continue to resist DRM and other trappings of the industry like paid DLC. Maybe they are proof that if you offer a good product and respect the consumer, consumers will in turn support you. 

lordvulcan
lordvulcan

Reminds me of when Epic games gave away a nice chunk of content for Unreal tournament 3 for free and more recently with battlefield bad company 2 where you were rewarded with 10 free map packs for buying the game new. 

 

Modern games have  much larger problem  than paid DLC. Online passes are far worse as they punish those who buy used games when the opposite should be true an online pass needs to give people who buy new free things and not just a way for companies to make cheap money from used game sales by locking a games MP content. (Battlefield 3 for instance. The Online pass locked down the MP mode and forced those who rented or bought used to pay more money to unlock the whole point of the game. )

Gifted_One
Gifted_One

I am outraged when I hear a game comes out with add-on content already on the disc. I relate these new DLC scams to criminal business practices. Just a different way to charge more money than actual value, it's like shaving the remainders into your own pocket. Barring a few worthy DLCs. Sometimes I literally say to myself "Thanks for charging me for something that should've been on the game to begin with!" For instance, CoD:MW3, I already purchased the CoD:Elite. And because of I.W./Activision's(An already robust company) business model regarding DLC I shall never play another Call of Duty ever again. Not by a different name. Not by Activision Ever. Thanks. And You are Welcome. I mean you guys came out with 10 extra prestiges in MW3. They are all the same minus Roman Numerals change from 1-10. Exactly how much of your billions in profit over the years did it take for you to copy and paste? Is that the thanks I get for the countless dollars I've spent over the years? Now, you are stealing from me? #Remove/BlockFriend4Good

blackace
blackace

Yeah.. all DLC should be free. I never understood why we needed to pay for it considering it would have been in the game to begin with.

jcuffley1209
jcuffley1209

Gotta love these guys and their games!!!!!

100proofsoco
100proofsoco

I read the headline as "Gamers overcharged for Modern Warfare 3 DLC"

Uesugi-dono
Uesugi-dono

This is the MOST true tagline ever.

 

It is also meaningless because developers will continue to push prices higher and fanboys will continue to buy...

Techn1c4l
Techn1c4l

I don't know about free, but $5 - $10 price for a single DLC is at least okay.

toddx77
toddx77

I love how some people say EA, Activision, Capcom, etc have to pander to everyone since the point of games is to make money.  Lets look at those companies shall we?  They make lack luster games, ruined once great developers, charge over priced DLC, do day 1 DLC, put the bottom line first, have no loyal fan base, and are hated.  Now lets look art CD Projekt Red.  They aren't rich like the other guys, but they make great games, love games, put the gamer first, like to have fun while making games, and have a very loyal fan base.  To me all those things sound better then simply being rich.  I like their philosophy of making games should be fun and be for making money.  In their job postings they even said at the end "basically we are just looking for some people to have fun making games with us"  You think EA lets their programmers have fun while making games lol?

10V3n0M01
10V3n0M01

Glad the industry isn't all filled with greed money-whores. Kudos CD!

Doomrul
Doomrul

Semi Related Trolling Matter : I was playing this game and getting into it, until I finished my first armour set and BAM! Get ready to play the game inBlack and White. Why? Because weapon bonus is a visual effect that almost makes the entire screen black and there is a constant stomach rumbling sound comes with it complimentary. I have checked official forums and despite people crying their eyes out for this to be fixed or optional, ever so ambitious CD Project was absolutely silent. Later found a MoD that kinda is a workaround for it but it was affecting the weapon stats. Didin't bother anymore. Just un-installed it.

isshiah
isshiah

they speak the truth! also, the witcher is an interesting series i hope to see more of.

RedLegZeff
RedLegZeff

I bought both witcher 1 and 2 this summer. Half because I wanted to play the games, and half to support cd projekt red. Their total stance on every issue is their customers first, not the bottom line. This is the kinda respect for their fans all dev's should have.

DeadRascal
DeadRascal

These guys are awesome!

I am buying a copy for my brother even though he could just borrow my copy. It is DRM free after all. Again, these guys are awesome.

 

Falru
Falru

They're practice of free add-ons certainly graced Projekt Red with my money.