Gabe Newell OK with EA Origin on Steam Machines

"We're trying to make it as open as possible. If EA wants to put Origin on it, that would be fine," Valve cofounder says.

Unlike traditional platform holders like Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, Valve does not want to put any limitations on the content permitted on Steam Machines, cofounder Gabe Newell has said.

"We're trying to make it as open as possible," Newell said on Reddit. "If EA wants to put Origin on it, that would be fine, etc... (trying to pick an example of something that people think we would prohibit)."

This statement is hardly surprising, as Valve has been very clear prior to this announcement that Steam Machines are designed with openness in mind. However, given the public squabble between Valve and Electronic Arts, Newell's comments have even more weight.

Although Newell would seemingly have much to talk about on Reddit (SteamOS, Steam Machines, Steam Controller, In-Home Streaming), he was there to discuss things other than games. He actually started the thread to talk about his campaign to raise money for the Seattle Children's Hospital through a charity car racing event. If donations reach $500,000, Newell will host an Ask Me Anything session on Reddit, where you can expect more answers about gaming.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Discussion

234 comments
PS4Lives
PS4Lives

I want to hear yes from the other side. 

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

The steam machines and OS need to do more then just steam linux based games. It needs to be able to play all of steam games with better performance and stability then a windows OS platform. It needs to be able to play emulators, non steam games, Indie developed games, and even browser based games if Valve wants to see higher adoption rates. 



Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

if EA were smart they would be ok with steam machines supporting origin too. Also this would redeem EA a bit in the gaming community, perhaps we wouldn't hate them as much as we do now. But knowing EA, this will never happen because they are greedy sob's. I feel sorry for dice tbh, they deserve to work for a much better company with better business practises than ea.

delta5931
delta5931

Because Origin is donkey bollocks and is not competitor at all for Steam... And in truth, it was just EA's way of saying "We can't maximize profit off of our over priced crappy games! Lets make a new distribution service that was worked on by low paid interns! That'll show those loosers down at Valve!"

hadlee73
hadlee73

When all is said and done it makes no difference whether Gabe is OK with it or not. Their goal is to make an open OS, and the only way to truly do that is to suck it up and let competitors on board if they chose to do so.

thrombosis45
thrombosis45

Only because Origin is not a competitor for Steam, this is yet another pointless article for the continued Gabe Newell circle jerk, that Valve obviously pays for. If EA decided it was going to go after Steam and open up Origin for ALL games and not just it's own, Mr. Newell would drop it faster than he drops cheeseburgers into his mouth.

bcoolrob
bcoolrob

I hope that also includes U-play digital download network then I'll be happy

Tzardok
Tzardok

It certainly puts a good light on Gabe yet again, he is the bigger person here despite the corporate insults from EA. 


The following concerns EA only, since I don't need to talk about Valve as their actions are louder than words:


If you read the link about the squabble here are a few more items. Anyone that had a long standing relationship with EA knows that statement from EA is a lot of BS. They still don't care about you, me or anybody else. This was more pronounced during the reign of emperor John Riccitiello (think Darth Vader but not as cool and with more bla bla bla), the man set the company backwards quite a few years during his second mandate ironically nullifying his first mandate, he was a poor people manager, extremely political, inconsistent and always hated the fact they couldn't buy Valve (thank goodness Valve is imune to hostile takeover for now, hopefully forever). Now that part of the evil is gone, EA still has that horrible, horrible chairman of the board (and the rest of the board most likely), who still believe that their customer base is childish and unworthy of respect. The market evolved and they failed to see the change in time, if you pay attention they are always behind now days doing more copy-cats from indie ideas. EA treats their investors as customers and their customers as an object of profit. Frank Gibeau is another fool that needs to leave the company rather ASAP for any real change to occur. Amazingly however, Peter Moore is actually more oriented to change but is always confined, limiting his abilities to do anything substancial other than venting occasionally. There are only 2 studios that can tell the CEO to "shove it", one is DICE and the other is Bioware, yes, I am sorry to say but ME3 ending and DA2 were exclusively Bioware's fault, EA does not touch their golden geese but screw everything below the line. One last but important comment is the EA Partners label, that is perhaps the only label that is actually any good where a Studio still maintains much of their independence which is perhaps something for their future. However, it is extremely important to remember that when you buy a game from EA, you are essentially selling yourself short, if you must absolutely play the few great games they might have you could buy a physical copy and only see Origin for installation purposes, not transactions, this way you weaken EA along the years putting pressure to sell their games on many platforms, including Steam (steam doesn't allow spam and other shit like that, this is why EA is pissed).


Valve / Steam = Driven by customer experience

EA = Driven by Wall-street


Oh yeah, fuck Origin.

holtrocks
holtrocks

No other company would welcome a competitor on to their own system, PRAISE GABEN.

bschroth
bschroth

I wonder what would happen if MS decided to put the microsoft store on Linux too?

SteamyPotatoes
SteamyPotatoes

This is good news, save us having to switch OS as much and hopefully can integrate it with the Steam Menu seamlessly even if it's running externally.

con47
con47

Origin needs to stay away from PC, consoles and the steam machines. EA has some great games like The Sims and Battlefield (though 4 was a buggy mess at launch) but screw Origin.

AWDFTWEVO
AWDFTWEVO

of couse he doesn't mind. valve needs games on their crapboxes.

Fabian85
Fabian85

Origin is terrible. Horrible prices most of the time and lots of mp issues. Program wont update itself for many forcing a reinstall and these browser issues every now and then. Release on steam or lose out on plenty of cash.

Auriken
Auriken

Never understand the hate toward Origin. I login, start the game and play it. When I download a game off their service I get it fast and it works fine. Sure, it doesn't have even half the features that Steam has, but I don't use half of those features anyway. For it's intended purpose, Origin works as it should.

helldragonzer
helldragonzer

Even more reasons to just keep my own PC, like I've said many times before, just give me the OS I don't need an overpriced machine that can do the same as mine at half the cost.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

I would be a bit hesitant to allow the Worst Company in America to put things on my platform, but it's nice to see Valve is above these kind of things.

YoreLore
YoreLore

Can be on it if EA wants it to be.  I just know I will never install Origin on any system.

GSGuy321
GSGuy321

Under the direction of the big Publishers like EA gaming was heading in an awful direction. It was becoming more and more compartmentalized, with all their exclusivity deals, DRM, timed releases for different platforms, etc etc.

I much prefer the direction that Steam will take gaming, and more so CD Projekt Red. These two are shining examples of what gaming should be. Open and inclusive. As a PC gamer I want our console brothers to enjoy the same games we do. They should be available for all to enjoy at a price point that is reasonable for all.

amafi
amafi

@Aaronp2k Not a single one of their big games has been released for linux.

I guess they could make a linux version of the store app but I'm not sure to what end, as it'd have even less software support than steam os itself will have.

amafi
amafi

@thrombosis45 He couldn't. If EA creates a linux origin client and linux versions of their games, guess what, that shit will run in linux. Be it mint, ubuntu or steam OS.

amafi
amafi

@Tzardok No shit he's the bigger person. He's like what, 900 pounds now?

And the last summation about EA goes for every single publically traded publisher.

They are beholden to investors that do not give a shit about games, do not know about games, and do not care to know about games, they simply know and care about market trends and quarterly reports. 

If the executives of these companies who might know and care about games don't do the kind of shit that leads to an increase in stock price from quarter to quarter they get fired.


That's how business works.

bcoolrob
bcoolrob

@Baconelite Enjoy the physical DVD they're going away soon sorry about that. Every thing's going digital within the next 10 years.

amafi
amafi

@bschroth Not going to happen but if desktop linux ever takes off I'll bet my left nut they'll have office on there in a hurry.

neroist
neroist

@con47Hey at least Origin lets you keep the install files to install later..... get refunds for games..... digital sign over a game to a different account, even if it is not yours.....has actual (US) phone support....and call install anywhere on any hard drive of your PC.... can uninstall the client and STILL play some games.

SteamyPotatoes
SteamyPotatoes

@Fabian85  had more issues with Steam truth be told,but Steam is a lot older so not really a fair comparison to bring with.

holtrocks
holtrocks

@Auriken I had major issues with my BF3, lost all my stats twice, got locked out of the game 3 times, then got stuck with a Russian version. I easily spent 10 hours on the phone with them over the course of 2 months fixing it. Also i bought Mass Effect 3 from them and they sent me a locked version and it fu**** up my registry files so the only way i could play it was to reformat.

amafi
amafi

@Auriken Yeah, I don't hate it, I just wish I could have chosen to buy BF4 and the other games I have on my origin account in steam instead since I've got like 500 titles there already. It's another password to remember, which means another potential avenue of attack into my system, and it doesn't offer anything as a service that makes me want to use it over steam, but I have to if I want to play those games. It's just annoying, is all.


I got a digital copy of mirror's edge with a video card some years back and had to download it using the ea download manager. In comparison Origin is the greatest application ever developed.

Fernin-Ker
Fernin-Ker

@Auriken 


The hate is purely because it's a) not steam and b)It's EA. I for one agree with you.

fillup0
fillup0

@GSGuy321 Lol did you say that Steam games are open? Don't get me wrong I love Steam, it's a fantastic service. It's the only way I play games anymore. But if it was open, the games would run regardless of whether or not Steam is running and Steam would be little more than a delivery service. It's the tightest DRM I've ever seen. Sure it's completely unobtrusive DRM that actually bloody works, but calling Steam open in terms of it's games at any rate is just wrong.

thrombosis45
thrombosis45

@pyro1245 @thrombosis45 Let me guess, your one of the sheeple who thinks that Valve doesn't care about money and loves you because they love gamers, right? Valve is like a leech on PC gaming, feeding off the hard work of real developers while it just cashes in on free money...only because they had the first digital distribution method. Valve is a corporation, just like all the others and the only thing that matters is making the stock price go up, it's just they are in a position to give away a lot of free stuff because they themselves take in an enormous amount of free money...they hardly even do anything anymore...except get fatter.


I'm sick to death of having to use Steam to play PC games, can you tell?

Tzardok
Tzardok

@amafi @Tzardok Precisely. Which goes on the opposite way of creation and inspiration. Loved the first remark, funny as hell.


But in all seriousness the only thing I can do is vote with my wallet on practices I don't like, I know this is cliche when it comes to EA, but cmom, ubisoft forces a launcher on you if you play on steam before booting the game and provides additional discounts if you buy directly from their store, EA could have done something like that and reach a user base of 75M players. I believe  EA is making a poor business decision in this regard specifically.

Tzardok
Tzardok

@neroist @con47 Bullshit, I am sorry to say, I hated my experience with Origin and I will not go back to it. I tried to buy Dragon Age 2 (yes, crazy right?) and the store insisted the product was not available (despite the fact I could place it on the cart). After a week trying to make the purchase and receiving errors I gave up. Yes, I did contact support, certainly worth of the golden poo award. They explained it was not available to my region anymore (could have mentioned on Origin right? Saved me some time...).


To use Origin because of something like BF4 is like buying a Ferrari but using mixed/cheap fuel. I didn't like the interface and the perks aren't really that great for that platform. For the few titles that I cannot escape I buy boxed versions and only use origin for installation purposes but try to forget about it as soon as a game boots up.


Last but not least, all the items mentioned by neroist defines my experience with Steam (the only case I am not sure of is about uninstalling Steam and games still working, but heck I can play most in offline mode so screw it).


I stay with con47, the further away Origin is from me that happier I become.

Fabian85
Fabian85

Never had problems on steam or uplay except this winter when the store was down temporarily.. Would own so much more ea games if they came to steam. They would look nicer also in my steam library.

MigGui
MigGui

@thrombosis45 then make your own distribution method, market it and let devs use it for free.

xcollector
xcollector

@thrombosis45 Then write a letter to publishers to release retail discs that don't need a steam account or online drm activation. In the Windows 98 days i use to buy PC games on disc, and you didn't need an internet connection to play them either. It was very common to see a bunch of boxed PC games in the store. Publishers move all their content to digital distribution. They don't want to package and distribute physical media anymore. You can't really buy retail discs anymore. Those that are on shelf tend to need an online activation anyway. Blame the publishers.

amafi
amafi

@Tzardok @amafi Forgot that they published Techland's Call of Juarez Gunslinger too. Fantastic little game. Always a nice surprise when Techland doesn't shit the bed.

Tzardok
Tzardok

@amafi @Tzardok Completely agree, I also really enjoyed Blood Dragon since you brought this up as well =)

amafi
amafi

@Tzardok @amafi No doubt, origin as a standalone store on PC is a terrible idea. Steam wasn't really steam when they started working on it though, and I think it'd be a hard sell to try and convince the board that it'd be better for them to give up however many percent valve takes for every sale on their store, especially now that they've spent all these resources on making their own store. Maybe it'll be great in 10 years, who knows.


And yeah, being a publically traded company is a terrible idea in any creative field, it's just a bad idea. Only reason it can even sorta work is that there are so many people between the pointy headed managers all the way at the top and the creative people in the studios that sometimes the studios can sneak something cool through without it being noted and focus tested to death.


I really hope what Ubi is doing lately with smaller downloadable titles that are fucking insane works out for them, we need more stuff like blood dragon and that child of light thing. Much better than publishers just cutting everything down to the bone and focusing on their 1-3 core annual franchises like those grinches over at activision.

Tzardok
Tzardok

@neroist @Tzardok Very good point neroist. I would be lying if this is not a concern for me as well. I am concerned that the next valve management does the mistake of becoming publicly traded, once that happens there is no turning back and quality will surely suffer a great deal. Also I could understand the monopoly situation pointed out by you as well. Sadly EA is not the competitor we need. Their values (not the written ones, the actual practices), both internally and externally are utter crap and do not provide a healthier balance on the market. 


I can only speculate that if Origin takes off it will attempt to stagnate market to a never evolving pattern (not willingly, but it will anyways). There are other competitors out there, let them have a crack at it, but not EA, I have been screwed over by them many, many times. I am done with them, they had their shot, now all I can do is preach to my friends about the dangers of investing in them.


While there are so many things I hate about EA and the list could go on and on, punching them is not even funny anymore because of the constant insults I have to endure from them. I would much rather forget EA existed entirely. But then they always show up in news and remind me of their pathetic existence. Once again, I had a very long customer relation ship with them,  and for me at least they deserve to be extinct.

neroist
neroist

@Tzardok Most everything I listed you can not do on/with Steam except refunds which is akin to pulling teeth with Steam.

 Having a competitor to Steam causes Steam to innovate. We do not want a monopoly with Steam. Some day there will be different people in charge there and with a complete monopoly it will not be a good thing for us.