Frostbite 2 originally designed for next-gen

EA Games label boss Patrick Soderlund says what players see in Battlefield 3 is just the beginning of what game engine is capable of.

The Frostbite 2 game engine--the technology behind Battlefield 3 and Need for Speed: The Run--was originally designed to support next-generation games. Speaking to Gamasutra, EA Games label boss--and former DICE CEO--Patrick Soderlund said what gamers are seeing running on Frostbite 2 today is only just the beginning of what the engine is capable of.

Battlefield 3 is just the beginning of Frostbite 2, Soderlund says.

"I'll be honest with you, Frostbite 2 was built for the next generation," he said. "That's how we started it. We had that in mind and we said, 'We're going to have to build something that can scale.' It doesn't mean that what you see in Battlefield 3 is the end state. That's the beginning; that's where we start and then we go forward. But we have a tech base that makes me feel really confident in how we're positioned for what's going to come in the future."

Soderlund went on to explain that outsourcing the Frostbite 2 game engine to Medal of Honor Warfighter studio Danger Close can only advance the technology.

"But if we now have the Danger Close guys working on things, they're making some things in Medal of Honor that you couldn't see in Battlefield, taking it a step further," he said. "So for us, they're not only using Frostbite, they're pushing it forward. And then our guys--the Frostbite team--takes the code and decides if these parts are going to get integrated back into the main branch, and then we can use it for more products."

On top of Medal of Honor Warfighter, BioWare's 2013-dated Command & Conquer: Generals 2 will be powered by the Frostbite 2 game engine. In March, Electronic Arts announced the formation of EA Gothenburg, a Swedish shop that will focus exclusively on Frostbite 2 projects.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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Hobbes444
Hobbes444

I can see it now:

DICE Programmer: We have this sweet new Game Engine called Frostbite 2! Here, it's running on a PC with a Quad GeForce GTX 580 setup, and an Intel Core i7 running at 3.8 Ghz and 16Gb of RAM!

EA Guy: Great, but that won't work on consoles.

DICE Programmer: Sh*t! We'll have to start over!

Somebody89
Somebody89

Good, hopefully next-gen Battlefield will actually have destructible everything when it comes to the environments. The lead up to BF 3's release was giving me that impression and it was disappointing to found out that Bad Company 2 had more destructible environments that BF 3. 

SpriggsyUK
SpriggsyUK

i love bf3 sadly i have to play it on xbox and not PC since my PC screws it up so bad shitty audio and huge graphical bugs make me sad :(

Hconduc
Hconduc

Command & Conquer : General 2 !!!!! <3 

bf3rocks23
bf3rocks23

I love this series, Bf3 beats every cod game easily, because cod can't do anything like this even know cods been around longer. ''LAZY COD WORKERS''

DIGN
DIGN

It's pretty obvious what's going on here, console gamers don't get mad, but Consoles are holding everything back a few years. Look at ARMA III it's being developed exclusively for PC and the graphics and detail blow BF3 away, the only problem is the devs seem to be oblivious to optimizing their engine so that we don't have to have $5,000 super computers to play it on max with steady 60fps. The game is almost photorealistic aside from a few bad animations(and bugs that they wait to fix AFTER they release the game.).

Kastigador
Kastigador

Every dev always says that about there engines.. that they're underutilized. To say otherwise would relegating your engine to the old news department, especially in the light of UE4 impending release. It's nice that this engine exists as an alternative, but it really won't matter if it's difficult for 3rd party devs to pick up and build on. Not sure what the take is on that. I'd be impressed if they released a free graphical upgrade to BE3 that really shows off particles and physics like we know they can run on PC's.

Hurvl
Hurvl

Gothenburg is in the south of Sweden, so I doubt the people at EA Gothenburg will get Frostbite.It's great that what we have seen isn't the maximum output of this engine. I also like that other games get to use it. Creating a new game engine takes a lot of time and resources and not every company can afford to make their own, which is why so many games are Unreal Engine-powered. It's always good to have alternatives.

demonic_85
demonic_85

PC gamers know that this engine isnt what it was supposed to be since you basically crippled BF3 for us so that it could be played on consoles.

gamingfrendly
gamingfrendly

frost bite 2 uses lots of blur and light flares to cover up the not so good textures/graphics will see if that changes with the new hardware that will be relased later on

AceBalls
AceBalls

BF3 PC Multi is the best action I've ever seen to date. This game is KING.

towely62
towely62

well you can tell the difference from console and pc its huge graphical difference between the two

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

By the time PS4 and Xbox launch (1.5-2 years away), they should be powerful enough to run it! Good thing that next generation games won't just be based on 1 primary engine (like Unreal Engine 3.0 was for this console generation). Hopefully we won't see all the games looking the same with shiny lights everywhere. Frostbite 2.0 has a wicked dynamic lighting model that's head and shoulders above everything else out right now. That and CryEngine 3.0 and Unreal Engine 4.0 and we are ready to go for next generation games. Now MS and Sony, get those next generation consoles out already!

res123123
res123123

His he talkin about PC only, because on console the frostbite 2 engine has done nothing. Battlefield 3 is so far behind Crysis 2 on console its not even funny. Actually Battlefield 3 SP was shocking in places and now i know why they never showed console footage until about a week before release date.

zulwalks
zulwalks

wow, this would explain why the graphic requirements were quite high. But this doesn't really surprise me. I've seen tech demo's and they were beyond what most gaming hardware is able to achieve.

phatsanta
phatsanta

frostbite is shitty and consoles...but that's not really surprising.

NIGHTIGERX
NIGHTIGERX

i cant answer about that man im not a PC Gamer or a computer builder! sry:l

im just sure of 1 thing its about the Activision's Graphic Engine would be used for CoD Black Ops II (i can bet 2$ CAD JOKES!:P) it would the same who have been used from CoD 4:MW from 2007's but with the last update graphic from CoD MW3 but with some Lightining and Shadow Effect added come on that an old concept! LOL

northernrage
northernrage

 @Venatorcruiser That would be nice. I'd like to see a WW1 game as well. They've never gone that far; it would definitely be a new challenge.

DIGN
DIGN

 @SpriggsyUK it's ok you aren't missing too much, PC FPS gets a bit too competitive if you ask me. Hard to find a match where everyone is just having fun.

parkurtommo
parkurtommo

 @Hconduc I'm really excited for that too, I hope BioWare and EA's new, greedy as f*ck direction won't ruin it.

scratchisme
scratchisme

 @bf3rocks23 Battlefield is a better franchise for sure. But CoD feels great when you play it. I'm still playing both MW2 and Bad Company 2.

shooters125
shooters125

 @bf3rocks23 I'm guessing you're one of those guys who hopped up on the Battlefield 3 bandwagon. If you owned any Battlefield game before the mainstream craze for Battlefield 3 started, you'd know that Battlefield came first. IMO BF3 isn't even the best Battlefield game. Personally, 2142 is my favorite.

djpetitte
djpetitte

 @DIGN

 the problem is because big wigs know that the numbers wont be found making games like arma. Its sad but the corporate a holes wont allow anything new and original anymore becuase they cant forcast that to make the numbers like cod does. games are really starting to go down hill and unless people start to catch on they have been playing the same game for the past 5 years(cod) and not have there mommys and daddys go buy it for xmas evey year for the teenagers then we wont see much changes being made. IMO its time to boycott cod.

agallardo13
agallardo13

 @DIGN all that i am seeing, is just another pc gamer who wants to start a pc vs console war that really no one cares about aside from you. 

-end rant-

jokerdk
jokerdk

 @DIGN What is there to see in ARMA3. Just watched a E3 Lighting Showcase and graphics are far what i would call good. I dont really think that xbox360 and ps3 has no more power. Look at GOW1 and then GOW3, its a huge difference in graphics.

DIGN
DIGN

 @Kastigador I don't think they will, not because they can't. It's because they don't want to isolate the other platforms.

agallardo13
agallardo13

 @demonic_85 yea, they did dumb down the graphics but you must put into account pc gamers play with 64 players meanwhile consoles play with 24. I say that is a kick-ass trade-off(i personally prefer the 24 limit, allows for more availability of vehicles and more space but the pc customization makes up for that for me) 

parkurtommo
parkurtommo

 @gamingfrendly Your talking about BF3, not frostbite 2. BF3 uses lens flar and blur, the engine does not "use" it. It has it as an option.

etherealgod666
etherealgod666

 @gamingfrendly you can turn those off you know. game still looks awesome without the flare and blur. better than the overly out dated COD engine. you know the one that powered doom 3?

 

djpetitte
djpetitte

I loved bad company 1 on ps3

zulwalks
zulwalks

 @NIGHTIGERX Its actually Quake 3 engine. Infinity Ward (back then was called 2013) rebuilt the engine for MoH Allied Assault when they were with EA. They took that rebuilt engine and rebuild it again for the first CoD. And they've been rebuilding for each game. so yeah its older than you think. And with that information, you would feel like punching Activision in the face for not allowing the teams to build a new engine from scratch

SpriggsyUK
SpriggsyUK

 @DIGN yeh but i love the competitive nature of PC its why i prefer it to the xbox but hey ho i have for now till i get a new pc

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @parkurtommo It isn't being made by BioWare. It's being made by an unrelated studio that EA renamed BioWare in order to get people excited. The "BioWare" that is involved had nothing to do with any previous games made by BioWare. 

agallardo13
agallardo13

 @scratchisme Bad Company 2 is still one of the best shooters i have ever played, plus i actaully liked the story

djpetitte
djpetitte

 @shooters125  @bf3rocks23

2142 was my favorite as well. It was very original with almost everything it did outside of being a war fps. things like the titans and the hover tanks/wallers even though that was sorta a starwars thing, and weapons too were very original. I really loved that game. it introduced alot of things like the dog tags and kill streaks. 2142 was light years ahead of any Cod mp.  

DIGN
DIGN

 @djpetitte lol yeah, exactly. Did you know that CoD has been running on the same modified Quake engine for over 5 years. I'm not really sure when people will wake up to realize that it's the same game every year I thought people would realize it at MW3.

DIGN
DIGN

 @agallardo13 please tell me in what way I am starting a PC vs Console war. I play consoles too and I am no way a "PC Gamer" just a "Gamer" . 

parkurtommo
parkurtommo

 @jokerdk This console generation has reached it's limit, all of it's potential has been used up. Sure GoW and GoW3 are very different in terms of graphics but you won't be seeing any more evolution until the next gen.

towely62
towely62

 @agallardo13

 really lol i have a msi gt 70 and i have battlefield 3 on both 360 and pc i can tell the diffence just because someone says its the same doesnt mean its true

res123123
res123123

@djpetitte . I know both are dumbed for console but Crysis 2 on console is still one of the besting looking games on console. BF3 was not even in my top 20. So why don't you come up for air after you have finished with your mum.

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

 @djpetitte  @res123123 He is talking about the graphics not the gameplay.

 

Graphics wise, BF3 on consoles is gimped to 30 fps and the multiplayer levels are much smaller than the PC version. Also it doesn't have any DX11 next generation features of Frostbite 2.0 since consoles cannot support any of them. 

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

 @zulwalks Activision is sitting pretty - rehashing the COD franchise year after year on the Q3 engine. They are saving $ on not developing a next generation game engines since current consoles wouldn't run it anyway. COD sells like crap on the PC. So really they have no incentive to make a brand new engine for COD just yet. They will though once Xbox next and PS4 launch in 1-2 years. Until then, we might see another 2 or 3 6-year old looking COD games lol. 

parkurtommo
parkurtommo

 @DIGN I know people who think CoD IS the entire game industry... Ignorance is bliss... 

 

They really just don't play other games, and when they do they will compare it to CoD. That is the definition of your typical casual gamer and sadly, the majority of gamers now.

agallardo13
agallardo13

 @towely62 i have both too...there is no real difference, yes it looks cleaner but it aint no fucken big ass jump, so once again your wrong

agallardo13
agallardo13

 @towely62 now i know you are bullshit because this is coming from not "just anyone" but the dev's themselves nice try

conspirethis
conspirethis

 @res123123  @djpetitte I don't know, BF3's graphics is up there with Crysis 2 on consoles for me, especially for having maps waaay bigger than Crysis 2.

Hurvl
Hurvl

 @BestJinjo Lol, the CoD games are using the Quake 3 engine? I've heard people talking about how old the engine looks and that they've used the same one for several years, but I never thought it would be THAT old. Heck, Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast that I still play uses that engine and it's from 2002.