Frostbite 2 originally designed for next-gen

EA Games label boss Patrick Soderlund says what players see in Battlefield 3 is just the beginning of what game engine is capable of.

The Frostbite 2 game engine--the technology behind Battlefield 3 and Need for Speed: The Run--was originally designed to support next-generation games. Speaking to Gamasutra, EA Games label boss--and former DICE CEO--Patrick Soderlund said what gamers are seeing running on Frostbite 2 today is only just the beginning of what the engine is capable of.

Battlefield 3 is just the beginning of Frostbite 2, Soderlund says.

"I'll be honest with you, Frostbite 2 was built for the next generation," he said. "That's how we started it. We had that in mind and we said, 'We're going to have to build something that can scale.' It doesn't mean that what you see in Battlefield 3 is the end state. That's the beginning; that's where we start and then we go forward. But we have a tech base that makes me feel really confident in how we're positioned for what's going to come in the future."

Soderlund went on to explain that outsourcing the Frostbite 2 game engine to Medal of Honor Warfighter studio Danger Close can only advance the technology.

"But if we now have the Danger Close guys working on things, they're making some things in Medal of Honor that you couldn't see in Battlefield, taking it a step further," he said. "So for us, they're not only using Frostbite, they're pushing it forward. And then our guys--the Frostbite team--takes the code and decides if these parts are going to get integrated back into the main branch, and then we can use it for more products."

On top of Medal of Honor Warfighter, BioWare's 2013-dated Command & Conquer: Generals 2 will be powered by the Frostbite 2 game engine. In March, Electronic Arts announced the formation of EA Gothenburg, a Swedish shop that will focus exclusively on Frostbite 2 projects.

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Hobbes444
Hobbes444

I can see it now:

DICE Programmer: We have this sweet new Game Engine called Frostbite 2! Here, it's running on a PC with a Quad GeForce GTX 580 setup, and an Intel Core i7 running at 3.8 Ghz and 16Gb of RAM!

EA Guy: Great, but that won't work on consoles.

DICE Programmer: Sh*t! We'll have to start over!

Somebody89
Somebody89

Good, hopefully next-gen Battlefield will actually have destructible everything when it comes to the environments. The lead up to BF 3's release was giving me that impression and it was disappointing to found out that Bad Company 2 had more destructible environments that BF 3. 

SpriggsyUK
SpriggsyUK

i love bf3 sadly i have to play it on xbox and not PC since my PC screws it up so bad shitty audio and huge graphical bugs make me sad :(

Hconduc
Hconduc

Command & Conquer : General 2 !!!!! <3 

bf3rocks23
bf3rocks23

I love this series, Bf3 beats every cod game easily, because cod can't do anything like this even know cods been around longer. ''LAZY COD WORKERS''

DIGN
DIGN

It's pretty obvious what's going on here, console gamers don't get mad, but Consoles are holding everything back a few years. Look at ARMA III it's being developed exclusively for PC and the graphics and detail blow BF3 away, the only problem is the devs seem to be oblivious to optimizing their engine so that we don't have to have $5,000 super computers to play it on max with steady 60fps. The game is almost photorealistic aside from a few bad animations(and bugs that they wait to fix AFTER they release the game.).

Kastigador
Kastigador

Every dev always says that about there engines.. that they're underutilized. To say otherwise would relegating your engine to the old news department, especially in the light of UE4 impending release. It's nice that this engine exists as an alternative, but it really won't matter if it's difficult for 3rd party devs to pick up and build on. Not sure what the take is on that. I'd be impressed if they released a free graphical upgrade to BE3 that really shows off particles and physics like we know they can run on PC's.

Hurvl
Hurvl

Gothenburg is in the south of Sweden, so I doubt the people at EA Gothenburg will get Frostbite.It's great that what we have seen isn't the maximum output of this engine. I also like that other games get to use it. Creating a new game engine takes a lot of time and resources and not every company can afford to make their own, which is why so many games are Unreal Engine-powered. It's always good to have alternatives.

demonic_85
demonic_85

PC gamers know that this engine isnt what it was supposed to be since you basically crippled BF3 for us so that it could be played on consoles.

gamingfrendly
gamingfrendly

frost bite 2 uses lots of blur and light flares to cover up the not so good textures/graphics will see if that changes with the new hardware that will be relased later on

AceBalls
AceBalls

BF3 PC Multi is the best action I've ever seen to date. This game is KING.

towely62
towely62

well you can tell the difference from console and pc its huge graphical difference between the two

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

By the time PS4 and Xbox launch (1.5-2 years away), they should be powerful enough to run it! Good thing that next generation games won't just be based on 1 primary engine (like Unreal Engine 3.0 was for this console generation). Hopefully we won't see all the games looking the same with shiny lights everywhere. Frostbite 2.0 has a wicked dynamic lighting model that's head and shoulders above everything else out right now. That and CryEngine 3.0 and Unreal Engine 4.0 and we are ready to go for next generation games. Now MS and Sony, get those next generation consoles out already!

res123123
res123123

His he talkin about PC only, because on console the frostbite 2 engine has done nothing. Battlefield 3 is so far behind Crysis 2 on console its not even funny. Actually Battlefield 3 SP was shocking in places and now i know why they never showed console footage until about a week before release date.

zulwalks
zulwalks

wow, this would explain why the graphic requirements were quite high. But this doesn't really surprise me. I've seen tech demo's and they were beyond what most gaming hardware is able to achieve.

phatsanta
phatsanta

frostbite is shitty and consoles...but that's not really surprising.

NIGHTIGERX
NIGHTIGERX

i cant answer about that man im not a PC Gamer or a computer builder! sry:l

im just sure of 1 thing its about the Activision's Graphic Engine would be used for CoD Black Ops II (i can bet 2$ CAD JOKES!:P) it would the same who have been used from CoD 4:MW from 2007's but with the last update graphic from CoD MW3 but with some Lightining and Shadow Effect added come on that an old concept! LOL

Morphine_OD
Morphine_OD

I want to work on Frostbite 2. It's truly impressive.

Faster_Bill
Faster_Bill

I agree with nyran125. Crysis was last great step in gaming. Since then no game made such a huge step forward. Maybe MGS4... Still, it's a shame that so many games came out since then and so few made something really awesome. 

NIGHTIGERX
NIGHTIGERX

Best Graphic Engine ive ever seen on PS3 with Cry Engine 3 Frostbite 1.5 and a new one Glacier 2 from Square Enix/Edios  the future engine from Square Enix Agni's Philosophy Tech Demo are not worst too!:)

we are very far from PS2's Years like with the ones from FFX or MGS2/MGS3! lol

Gamer-Elias
Gamer-Elias

Command and conquer : generals 2 on frostbite 2 ? should be AMAZING !

nyran125
nyran125

i have to say..Crysis 1 on PC was the last time i was truly wowd by graphics. If Frostbite 2, battlefield 3 graphics is nextgen, they are awesome , but its not that much of  a leap from Crysis and the crysis engine is 2006. 6 years ago. So i expect much more than BF3 graphics for Nextgen consoles or its not going to WOW me like Crysis did in 2006.

HeyZeuss
HeyZeuss

Frostbite 2 would be one of the best engines currently available, if only they could get some damn vehicle physics to work somewhat normally.  Try to drive a jeep alongside a tank in BF3 and your screen just freaks out and your jeep ends up somewhere else.  It's kinda retarded that people just accept that in a vehicle based combat game...collisions are just a ridiculous mess.

andrew_ribbons
andrew_ribbons

PC uses a hell of a lot more of this engine than the 360 or PS3.  It uses DirectX11, the consoles can't.  It uses modern PC CPUs to allow better physics and greater numbers of players (64) which the consoles versions, simply cannot.  It allows greater map sizes on the PC, than is possible with the consoles, simply because most PC's now have 4GB+ of memory, whereas the consoles are trying with 512Mb between everything.

 

It's a simple matter of hardware limitations with the consoles that's holding the engine back for them.  The PC version of this particular game, is the version to own for the full experience.  That's no an opinion, that's a fact based on what the console versions don't give you.

 

I still wouldn't be surprised if the FB2 engine is not at 100% capability on PC.  But that is to allow older PC's to cope, i think, for now.  It's not that badly scalable, it'll run acceptably on a mid-range Dual Core, i think that's low enough for a game of this caliber.

 

I think it's a nice engine but it needs more polishing up!

mAniaCinBLACK
mAniaCinBLACK

One suggestion, more dead bodies like C.O.D2.

 

alpha29er
alpha29er

It would be VERY interesting to see this engine being utilized to develop a full-blown military flight sim! Have those completely gone out of style? Anybody remember Jane's USAF? Or F A-18 Hornet? Or F-16 Falcon? How come we NEVER get those on consoles? I'm sure devs can figure a way out to map about 50 commands or so on a controller! Example: you tap the up button on the D pad, you get avionics options. Tap down, and you get navigation options. Tap left, and you get to tinker around with the weapons. Possibilities are endless!

bloody-hell
bloody-hell

You can have the best engine offering the prettiest graphics and I still won't give a damn if the game is boring and requires me to install 3rd party "copy protection" software that spies on me (Origin) and requires me to be online in order to play the game.

 

I'm less interested in a graphics benchmark that's used to compare virtual dick size, but more in interesting games with replay value and mod-ability that I can play anytime and anywhere.

phillkillv2
phillkillv2

Interesting. I know PC fans will be like "CONSOLES ARE HOLDING US BACK"

killlo
killlo

Is he talking about the console BF3 ver. or PC BF3?

crazimax
crazimax

i don't know the technical stuff, but will the ps4 or xbox 720 will be capable of realtime graphics on par with those finally fantasy CG movies?..cause if the next gen consoles can't do that..then it wouldn't be a great leap or a necessary upgrade

METKRAM
METKRAM

just put a toy gun in your hand go out of the house and run around beats any engine I know.

Crush_Project
Crush_Project

ive never seen any engine that lags or craps out as much as the frostbyte engine.  Good to see they are already onto the next one lol.  

p4kman88
p4kman88

so when it comes down to the wire it's really CryEngine 3 vs Frostbite 2.....so what's better?

ndm250
ndm250

Wow, you mean they intentionally left out proper vehicle collision physics for the next generation?

QrGmNcShip016
QrGmNcShip016

The way that they think about a new engine that has been already seen in most games that has more then just good graphics like BF 3, being only the beginning's just WOW with a Capital "W". But im still not convinced coz Consoles Now are more than capable of representing itself with the wits of being a next gen console as everybody expected. Making a game as "Real" as possible sometimes is the only goal to create an unwavering new diverse universe to play with. I just hope that the New Engines are very sure of them selves that they can create whats Really in store for the future of gaming.. I'm just not Gonna buy ANY console Than Xbox 360 coz It is pretty much the Best next gen console ive had in a long run. And im not gonna give it up to Some dominant console that has a Little bit of texture and reality in it. Better Tell it to The Gamers Then and now i presume. 

iluvOP
iluvOP

I find all these PC elitists funny. I mean really really funny.

AuronAXE
AuronAXE

Every time a new generation of consoles comes out it usually evens out or slightly comes ahead of PC due to great optimization (games being made for one specific type of hardware rather the millions of different parts like PC) until PC passes it again.

 

With this "next-gen" I don't think we'll even come close to competing with PC tech. Disappointing. As for this engine, I'm not impressed. Was draining out all the colour and adding lots of bloom and blur an integral feature of the engine? The original build of BF3 WITHOUT ANY STUPID LIGHTING EFFECTS looked MUCH better than the final product. It was colourful and crap. What EA did and lot's of studios do to show off "cool" lighting effects is stupid. Save that graphical power to make your games actually look better.

battlefrontphil
battlefrontphil

News-Flash: Frostbite 2 works like sh** on current-gen console hardware. "Er...it was designed with next-gen hardware in mind!"

another_drew
another_drew

I just think its friggin hilarious how this is the "early" stages of frostbite 2 when cod has been using essentially the same engine for better part of 4 years. too damn funny

LoganDaDestroya
LoganDaDestroya

So they lied when they said it was developed with PC in mind, which is already "next generation"?

 

I hope next time they start using the engine properly, with BF3 they released the smallest maps in the entire series (even Caspian is tiny compared to older games) and used a form of art direction which not only made the game look incredibly unrealistic but also made a lot of it's visual qualities unnoticable (Radiosity etc.) - thankfully AK seems to be a step in the right direction, with less obnoxious effects and more large scale, although the lack of a pilotable AC-130 puts me off buying it.

 

I feel that with BF3, and the PC platform in general, DICE have made decisions which have compromised its full potential. Limiting games just for consoles is stupid, PC shouldn't have to suffer just because Console companies can't keep up.

endorbr
endorbr

Please stop comparing consoles and PCs.  This argument is just old. 

joju_australia
joju_australia

I have to hand to these EA guys, they also know to make great Swatches! ahahahah! NO WONDER this is just the beginning! can't wait and i am keeping fingers crossed to be able to outlast the 360, i want to see the new console...cant wait!

hasancakir
hasancakir

Just play battlefield 3 and see what frostbite 2 is capable of. Destruction is so sweet, you cant just stop playing :)

HaRdNiPs
HaRdNiPs

console speaking nex gen isn't nex gen at all because pc especially high end pc's can already do it. i think what "nex gen" consoles can become nex gen is to integrate what pc has already made possible like modding but not swapping out cards and have some kind of mod store for live and psn. i think that should be the next step for consoles it gives more flexibility. 

Nozizaki
Nozizaki

Duh, that's why BF3 looks better on PC than on PS3 than on 360.

FragRaptor
FragRaptor

Next gen gaming has no VoIP? Guess it is time to pack it up

Talavaj
Talavaj

This article would make sense if Crysis 2 didn't look and run better than BF3

syler4815162342
syler4815162342

Meh We have lots of great Game Engines for next Gen like Unreal Engine 4, and Cry Engine 4 that they also gonna be free to use! so Graphic is not Everything DICE try to make a better Story and Gameplay will you?

mediarays
mediarays

I dont know what will treyarch bring as next gen