Forza Horizon 2 a "Different Game" on Xbox 360, Xbox One

But both versions are "inspired by the same ideas," creative director says.

The Xbox 360 and Xbox One versions of upcoming racing game Forza Horizon 2 share the same guiding philosophy, but are to be thought of as "different" games, according to creative director Ralph Fulton.

"It's based in the same world, it's based on the same themes," Fulton told Digital Spy. "Rather than thinking of them as the same game on different platforms, they are different games inspired by the same ideas."

The Xbox One version of Forza Horizon 2 uses the same engine that powered launch title Forza Motorsport 5, while the Xbox 360 version runs on the same engine as the original Forza Horizon from 2012. The games are being developed by two different teams, with Playground Games handling the Xbox One version and Sumo Digital developing the Xbox 360 version.

Regarding the gameplay differences between the two, Fulton said Forza Horizon 2's weather and Drivatar systems are only possible on Xbox One. "There are things we are doing in Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One that honestly couldn't be done on any other console," he said.

It was also recently confirmed that Forza Horizon 2 will not have microtransactions on Xbox 360 or Xbox One, at least not right out of the gate. Forza Horizon 2 launches September 30. The Xbox One version runs in 1080p/30fps. You can read more about the game in our hands-on preview from E3.

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modostig
modostig

Forza Horizon (2012) had Drivatars and Xbox ONE didn't exist then, Formula 1 2012 had a similar weather system (Xbox ONE still didn't exist). It's possible to add them, they just want you to buy an Xbox ONE. Lack of drivatars makes the horizon world feel lonely, seriously? no one but the player and traffic? Promising dramatic weather but only to the people with the newer console?

Also, does no drivatars mean no competitors in races?

Will it actually be "open world" or will it be fenced off and only the Xbox ONE players get to play in the grass?

Forza Horizon (2012) seems to have more freedom than the new one.

jerryjoe88
jerryjoe88

Sumo has made some great racing games, & a lot of their staff is from Bizarre Creations(u remember Project Gotham Racing series?)

Heck..the 360 version might be BETTER than the xbo*e version.

the_forza_squad
the_forza_squad

I don't care about drivatar at all but surely there has to be some sort of weather system in the 360 version, even if the weather hasn't got all that science stuff and just a regular weather system were it just decides when it will rain will be fine. It will be very unfair if we 360 users don't get all the stuff they said will be in horizon 2. Playground games and Turn 10 knows that we horizon players wanted a weather system and a merjority of those players don't have an xbox one. I'm starting to get a feeling that they only made a 360 version so that when people buy the 360 version will see how rubbish it is on 360 and will make them buy an xbox one. :( 

Vylsith
Vylsith

"...Drivatar systems are only possible on Xbox One."

It's definitely possible.  You'd just have to write the code.  You aren't willing to do that.  Fine, but don't lie about it.  Besides, you're pretty much admitting it's not entirely cloud-based with that statement.

"There are things we are doing in Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One that honestly couldn't be done on any other console."

Absolute nonsense.  Even if you truly are using cloud integration, it could easily be done on any dedicated server.  Unless he's referring to Kinect features, he's full of it.  If he is referring to Kinect, he's obviously being ambiguous on purpose.  I can't imagine how Kinect would be overly useful for a racing game though.  The Kinect integration in Forza 4 was horribad.

Stepn2myworld
Stepn2myworld

@Vylsith Drivatar has been around since the original Forza on Xbox. Initially, it was just training an AI to drive for you. The only real difference now is that that same data is in the cloud, adding variety to the driving.

I have no idea why he would say it can't be done on 360.

MegyeriJ
MegyeriJ

Why wouldn't the Drivatar feature work on the 360? I though it was literately 100% cloud based no? 

iammcgruber
iammcgruber

Why are some people making such a big deal out of this? All he is saying is there IS a difference between the two and the xbox one is superior. More diverse weather system, drivatars, graphics, and possibly more will be on the xbox one and NOT on 360. Is it that hard to grasp? He even said the philosophy IS the same. So those asking "what's going to be different?" If the article was too hard to read for you then here it is in cliff note form.

bdrtfm
bdrtfm

Sounds good. Developers have to stop using old engines for games on current gen and this is probably the best way to do it. Use one team to work on previous gen versions with old engine and another team to work on current gen versions with new engines. That way, the games look the best they can on each system. Other devs should take notes from these guys.


That bit about not having micro transactions - yet - has me worried though. I refuse to buy any game with micro transactions.

themc_7
themc_7

how different could they possibly be? Drivatar and weather systems can make that big of a difference.

sonicblast19
sonicblast19

So lemme get this straight,the game is different because it uses different engines?That is stupid,I can understand the drivatars things not being available on the 360 but why is the game different?I mean it's like saying Borderlands 2 on the Vita is totally different form the PS3 because it doesn't look as good.

sonicblast19
sonicblast19

@bdrtfm @sonicblast19 I was stating that his defintion of a "totally different" game is just graphics and some AI,I mean taht is like saying NFS Carbon on PS2 is totally different from the PS3 version just because the PS3 version has better graphics and can handle 8 drivers instead of 4 like the PS2,well taht is still the same game with just some drawbacks.

bdrtfm
bdrtfm

@sonicblast19  That should be pretty obvious as there are things that can be done on current gen that previous gen simply cannot do. What's the point in having new hardware, new engines and new dev kits if you're just going to make the game look the same as it did on previous gen? People would just stick to previous gen consoles.


There are a whole slew of effects that are simply not possible on 360 and PS3.


cynicritic
cynicritic

"There are things we are doing in Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One that honestly couldn't be done on any other console,"  - Must be making use of Kinect or some App crap then because anything the X1 can do, PC and PS4 can do much better...

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@cynicritic Or he's talking about the decreased latency on the ESRAM that means Xbox One is more suited to the long range tiled texturing techniques than conventional RAM. Or they are talking about Driveatar which requires the more advanced Xbox One cloud connections.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@Dannystaples14 @cynicritic Drivatar has never been explained, and likely uses the cloud less than you think.  The cloud is probably simply used as cloud storage for statistics which are uploaded and downloaded to update and create drivatars.  Even if the cloud does process the data and send the AI profile, it's hardly impossible on any standard dedicated server.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  Adaptable AI is hardly a new concept in video games.  Forza is definitely not the first game to implement it.

RAM latency in video games isn't really all that important.  Games are updated on a per frame basis.  So long as the RAM can keep up with 60 FPS it's really not an issue.  It definitely can.  Latency isn't even remotely high enough for that.  Besides, GDDR5 does have high latency.  It often does in GPUs, but that's due to cost saving measures with the memory controller.  Latency isn't an issue for graphic objects.  The only time latency is really an issue is when you're moving a lot of smaller data sets often.  Multitasking isn't a very large concern with consoles.  What you gain with eSRAM for gaming is bandwidth, but given how little eSRAM is available it's use is limited.  Xbox One would be much better off if it simply used 8 GBs of GDDR5.  You can pretend different, but you'd be wrong.

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

Interesting.


I want to know more about the differances. It might even be worth getting both if the variances are great enough. 

PSYCHOV3N0M
PSYCHOV3N0M

Remember that $50 season pass that Forza Horizon had on the 360???


My friend & I waited a year and a half for the season pass to drop to $15 during a Deal Of The Week on Xbox Live & THEN we bought it. Previously, this season pass had dropped in price ONCE before down to $30 if I recall correctly during a Deal Of The Week sale.


It pays to wait..... I'll be patiently waiting for Forza Horizon 2's season pass to drop in price.

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

@PSYCHOV3N0M I agree, that was preposterous.

I was happy as a clam when it dropped to 15 bucks though (you know, a REASONABLE price...)

JTYooper
JTYooper

@PSYCHOV3N0M When was that season pass sale?  I just bought the full game about 10days ago via a recent sale, only $10, great deal.  Now have to wait for Rally expansion, season pass, etc to go on sale.


On a similar note, I had been waiting for Gears of War 3 season pass to go on sale, that was $30 normally.  Finally decided to get it.  Less than a week later it went on sale for $9.  Doh!!!!

Master_Turismo
Master_Turismo

For the love of all that is holy bring back Storefront please.

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

Xbox one is where it's at. 



(apparently you can't call it x bone without getting your comment held as pending)

Akijo
Akijo

People really have difficulty to understand the notion of a sequel these day.

neowarrior793
neowarrior793

not gonna lie, racing games are just lame. i dont care about improved visuals or added cars or any of the pointless rubbish that still dosnt add much of anything. you put this game in front of me and a ps1 with gran turismo id rather play the ps1 (or even an xbox if it was possible to play the gran tramiso on it). racing games as well as sports games and yearly fps games (you know who you are) have this terrible bad habit of copy past and improve a little bit, its sickening to know people still buy this. iv already seen f1 games go 2010 to 2013 the, all being the same.

defend this all you like, fact that they're probably going to be more the same then difference is your loss. 

Horndawgie
Horndawgie

@Spartan_418 It's not hate that's flowing......but certainly something else.

neowarrior793
neowarrior793

@Horndawgie @Spartan_418 excuse me for inciting truth, if you wanna look away and cover your ears thats your choice 

seanwil545
seanwil545

@neowarrior793 

Don't like racing, don't like sports, don't like fps...what do you like?

Are you sure you still even enjoy video games?

neowarrior793
neowarrior793

@ZZoMBiE13 it is a truth and my very example proves it between f1 2010 to 2013 the only upgrade was a few visual effects and a change in drivers (everything else was minor) many upon many racing games can be sued as an example as well. the very fact you used jrpg as an example which has the most variant gameplay around is not a good point at all. like i was also saying sports games like madden games the same every year on year just improved visuals and how the crowd cheer longer. 

if you love racing games you shouldn't need to buy more then 1 copy of each franchises until a fundamental change in a game makes it a worthy buy. by buying these copy past games your lowering the quality of the games by showing developers that you just want more of the same. 


like a jrpg if you tried a copy paste method nobody would buy it as people expect change, "disparaging" no im improving games by showing a point people like you ignore,(and still are) defending this very practice is terrible for the gaming community as a whole and affect everyone. 

finally slandering someone like that just shows the hypocrite you are " I would never disparage those who do like them or deign to look down upon them" by first saying "You're disparaging games you admittedly have no interest in. That's not truth, it's misinformed hyperbole" your looking down on me at the very start by misinforming people and claiming because i "admittedly have no interest in" where did i say this? i even stated i play gran turismo dispelling your random notions you created, racing games are lame because they are copy and past.

neowarrior793
neowarrior793

@seanwil545 @neowarrior793  "Don't like racing, don't like sports, don't like fps" i said no such thing there bub i even stated that they are lame because of copy pasting. but go ahead and make more rubbish up 

Spartan_418
Spartan_418

Yes, that's it, let the hate flow through you

ZZoMBiE13
ZZoMBiE13

@neowarrior793 Truth? You're disparaging games you admittedly have no interest in. That's not truth, it's misinformed hyperbole. 


I like racing games. So to me, there is a lot to justify the new version. I like cars, I like racing, I like the new setting, and I'm eager to see how the new weather physics impact the racing. All of those things make it worth a purchase to me. For my tastes. 


Let me give you an example. I don't care for JRPGs much. I think they are all basically similar. But if someone enjoys them then those games each represent a rich tapestry of new experiences. And as much as those games do nothing for me personally, I would never disparage those who do like them or deign to look down upon them just for having a different viewpoint than my own. 



nikon133
nikon133

I'm getting some mixed signals here.

Different engines are OK considering different hardware generations... but if the game does not play the same, it should not have the same name. I'd find this a bit misleading and unethical. Like, if I try this game on my friend's XBO, like it and decide to purchase X360 version, I'd expect lesser visuals, maybe some other limitations (less players in single match, like BF3 did for consoles vs. PC) but still comparable gameplay, right?

And about "There are things we are doing in Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One that honestly couldn't be done on any other console", how about hearing some details? C'mon, amaze us. Take our breath away. If you just talk the talk, but do not walk the walk, you only come out overinflated buffoon.

ZZoMBiE13
ZZoMBiE13

@nikon133 They did give you details. They said the Drivatar system as well as the weather effects wouldn't work on 360. They said the game would run on the Horizon 1 engine which means if you played any Forza on the 360 you should know exactly what to expect. 


What more do you expect them to do? It's spelled out pretty clearly. 

bearfan15
bearfan15

Hmm. Maybe this will get people to stop bitching about how "last gen is holding this gen back". But what do I know I have a life outside of the gamespot comments.

skipper847
skipper847

Ha. old gen is holding back new current gen. Now you no how we PC gamers feel.

bob15x
bob15x

@skipper847 ok so a game made by two different teams, that are basically two differernt games and the xbox one version of the game has things the 360 game doesn't because of the power and that equates to old gen holding back new current gen?


I hope you are being sarcastic otherwise I must ask.  Were you dropped on your head as a child?

skipper847
skipper847

@bob15x @skipper847  When I am joking I normally put lol but been told I put that too many times and when I don't I get reply like this lololol. :P

rasterror
rasterror

Smart move marketing wise. It will entice people to upgrade and maybe get the Xbox One to have the better experience.

xantufrog
xantufrog moderator

It's a smart move for a number of reasons. 1) it makes it less like the two "versions" are competing with each other (i.e. harder to say "I already can get the same game" on 360). 2) it helps neutralize the fears people often have about a next-gen game being held back by last gen.

PSYCHOV3N0M
PSYCHOV3N0M

@xantufrog Sure this won't hold back the X1 version of the game but it sure as hell will hold back X1 console sales. Whether or not people read this article & know what they're getting, the majority who don't own an X1 will still buy this game for the 360 instead of buying an X1 just to play this game as their first X1 retail game.

bourne714
bourne714

Is anyone actually reading the article?!?! 2 developers...2 games...2 consoles.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@bourne714 I didn't read all the way down but I already knew that.

Asking people on the internet to read is asking a little too much don't you think? /sarcasm

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

I don't know whether to buy this last gen or next gen. I am playing Forza Horizon 1 at the moment and it looks really stunning visually even on last gen. I can only imagine what the next gen version is going to look like!

FBohler
FBohler

Cross-gen games are basically killing the X1. Few games are real exclusives that drive people to buy it.

everson_rm
everson_rm

Just scrap the 360 version. Enough already of 8 years old systems holding games back...

PSYCHOV3N0M
PSYCHOV3N0M

@Spartan_418 @everson_rm I read the article & NO it's NOT holding back the X1 VERSION of the game but it sure as hell holds back X1 console sales because this game (Forza Horizon 2) can be bought on the 360 alongside the X1 version. It doesn't matter if they are both made by 2 developers & if both games have some weather/gameplay differences. Common sense is that the MAJORITY of gamers who still DO NOT own an X1 will be buying this game for the 360 or buy any multiplatform game for the 360 instead of shelling out $400+tax on an X1 to play that version.


The majority of my 200 friends on 360/PS3 are playing the last-gen versions of Watch Dogs, COD Ghosts, Battlefield 4, etc and Destiny will follow the same path.


I'm calling it now: The 360 version of Forza Horizon 2 will outsell the X1 version.

Spartan_418
Spartan_418

@everson_rm It's not holding the Xbox One version back if it's a different game, handled by a different dev.

Did you read the article?

Spartan_418
Spartan_418

@PSYCHOV3N0M I'm ok with MS continuing to support the 360, it's different from what they did last gen, where they completely abandoned the original Xbox the moment they announced the 360