Forza 5 requires onetime online connection to Xbox Live

Purpose of connection is to download mandatory content to run racing title.

The Xbox One game Forza Motorsport 5 will require a onetime Internet connection to Xbox Live when first started, according to Turn 10, in an interview with IGN.

Players will have to go through an online toll booth before racing offline.

Studio head Dan Greenawalt confirmed that when players log in the first time, the game will download tracks, cars, and Drivatar data. "Our production schedule is such that we are putting them in as late as possible and that means making them free as downloadable content on day one," he said.

Greenawalt added that the download is required content to run the title. "We basically have designed the game to work with all that content no matter how late [it] is coming in, in order to make the biggest game possible," he revealed during the interview. Xbox One owners can begin playing the game while parts of it are still being downloaded.

Microsoft changed its always-online policy for the Xbox One after its E3 press conference in June this year. The console, along with Forza Motorsport 5, will be available this November.

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jinzo9988
jinzo9988

So they're really going to start communicating on game boxes that a game requires a one time connection to function even on a single player level now, as opposed to the system that supposedly doesn't require one?  Confusing if you ask me... especially considered that the layman at large -still- doesn't know how to read ESRB ratings.

Why is it so difficult to release a complete game, and then just offer a free patch a week or two later with more stuff that adds to the game?  I mean besides the fact that there's likely an ulterior motive being doing it this way of course.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

I love how Sonybots can comment on this comment thread without ever playing a Forza game. All Forza games my uniformed Sonybots has always heavily relied on Xbox Live for patches, content updates like new cars and tracks, the multiplayer, to trading paint jobs, etc... Anyone, buying this game who is true fan knows that online has been a requirement since the series started. Therefore, when Studio head Dan Greenawalt says day one update and more content to follow us fans don't freak out. Also, if you want to compare go play GT5 and tell me how many updates does it require day one.

Rev1t
Rev1t

Probably gonna be with al ot of xbox one games

Redsyrup
Redsyrup

Title of this article should be:

"Forza 5 requires onetime Online Activation on Xbox Live" -In other words, who's your daddy?

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas

I.E. We will want you to connect at least once.  Now we'll just configure Kinect to watch you while you play... for whatever reason.  We're bored as shit over here. 

outlawoftorn
outlawoftorn

i wonder if slowly but surely they go back to their always online requirement by requiring constant updates such as these to run games (i.e. the games themselves have a set schedule to check for updates). 

also if all games have to be installed, wouldn't that 500 gb hard drive fill up quickly? I would hate to uninstall games and free up space, especially when you will have a bunch of downloads to do all over again when you reinstall them.

jrabbit99
jrabbit99

Is it giong to have to install on the harddrive? I'm confused as to what actually comes on the disk then...

GlaciusXL
GlaciusXL

I was planning on purchasing the game the same way, like, I give them a check for $30. And then they can bill me for the rest, but they can only cash it all in once they've received the full $60. Sounds cool.

berzerk0912
berzerk0912

Whatever happened to just inserting game disk, load menus, and press start.

VoidSECT
VoidSECT

What a ridiculous excuse, i'm glad i'm not buying this crap of a console.

goku2000
goku2000

So, next gen is just going to be more half-finished games that have day-one DLC?  Typical.

Wula_
Wula_

Remember back in the day when we could play the games we bought without having to update them? I sure do and I miss them. Wish gaming would go back a bit to its earlier roots and learn that you should complete your product before shipping and only a few minor glitches were acceptable.

danielbirchal
danielbirchal

IF YOU CANT MAKE IT ON TIME THEN DELAY THE GAME LAUNCH DATE!!!

As a xbox 360 owner I was really considering xbox one (after the policy reversal) but this kind of crap is a dealbreaker for me!

I wont buy a game that I can't keep forever!

If something happens with the hd after the server shuts down you'll lose the game the same way you loose the digital only version! So again, loosing benefits of the disc.

If this continues this way I'll then I have no more doubts, I'll buy a PS4!!!!

Lost-to-Apathy
Lost-to-Apathy

Slowly, they will start doing it for more games.

codeman101360
codeman101360

Remember when everything you needed was already on the disk?

mavennewbern
mavennewbern

Requiring an internet connection is a terrible policy.  It should be illegal to create these kinds of dependencies.  Imagine buying Direct TV which is a service which is like Microsoft in this example.  Then imagine you have to scan a upc code from a bag of Doritos (or cable internet in this example) to watch the channels your already paying for.  It's ludacris.   Because these are the only options available to the people their going to profit regardless, and theres nobody to hold them accountable for their error.   

xSaulxTighx
xSaulxTighx

Not surprised considering the console was always online until recently. so the game would have been designed around that until MS pulled the rug from under their feet at the end of development oops..

grin89
grin89

i was actually considering buying a xbox1 when they redid their policies but now ill just stick to ps4 seems like microsoft is trying to hide what their doing behind updates.

Zero_Nitrous
Zero_Nitrous

Patchwork stupid underhanded sloppy company.  They should be sued for selling a product that they know doesn't work out of the box.  

If you don't have internet will you buy that game?  What are they even selling, plastic?  There's almost no point in even buying the disc at all.  Everyday I dislike Microsoft even more.

herzi41
herzi41

what happens if I buy the game years later, will they still providing the data?

ahh, back in the day when I could play video game with only just 8 bit console and the cartridge, damn it was hell lot of fun.

Dreamcast86
Dreamcast86

GAMERS: If you want a digital only console, make it so digital games have more benefits.

MICROSOFT: Ok, we hear ya. Here you go, we just made physical discs incomplete from the box. Now will the digital download make more sense.

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

@Snakepond1 I've never had to connect to Xbox Live to play Forza 4.  Thus, not a requirement.  Trust me, I love the hell out of Forza, I think it beats the piss out of Gran Turismo... and frankly it's going to be the Xbox exclusive that I'll miss most when I grab a PS4 this gen.

mavennewbern
mavennewbern

@goku2000 It's so they can sell a small portion of the game at full price, and then an excessive price for the rest of it.   You could put your money on it, this sort of thing will only get much worse. 

HairyMetalHead
HairyMetalHead

@danielbirchal A patch is a deal breaker for you? you run a tight ship there, or you're looking for a reason to get a ps4.

Anyway, it's very unlikely xbox one servers will shut down, due to the fact they are using Microsofts azure servers which dynamically scales its usage according to traffic. so, essentially, if people still log on servers will always be available. 

http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/ 

Respawn talk about it in detail if you want to educate yourself a bit.

I think because of the connected nature both consoles are adopting for next gen it's safe to assume they will find ways to keep servers running indefinitely without losing too much money.

danielbirchal
danielbirchal

@mavennewbern This crap is just another way to require allways (or almost allways) on internet.

And help bad developers to rush games into market before they're even done!!

treava
treava

@herzi41 they'll release a complete version later, just like previous versions of forza.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

Hold on buddy. I do not want to call you a liar, but how does one play Forza with no online? The updates, new cars, patches, multiplayer, fan car market, etc.. Also, why is a Forza fan not buying the next one? What kind of fan are you? Did you see the gameplay videos for Forza 5? Did you hear the controller vibration features? The new player AI?

danielbirchal
danielbirchal

@HairyMetalHead @danielbirchal Are you that stupid??? Cant you see the diference between a patch (to fix something) and a incomplete game?

Are you really that stupid to think that MS will keep the servers forever???

I learn that I should not argue with drunks or idiots, and sir, you are both.

danielbirchal
danielbirchal

@sammoth @Lost-to-Apathy no they don't!!!!

at least not for the xbox 360! all games that have an offline mode works right out of the box without an internet connection!!!

Dreamcast86
Dreamcast86

@treava @herzi41 Probably not, because this is to prevent piracy. When you go to the online check, the game will verify that your profile is legit. They will use the excuse that the drivatar is a ever growing thing, so you always have to download the latest drivatar.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

Fanboy drivel I like that. Forza is one of M$ biggest and only driving exclusive so yes I consider it important to like there games. As for Internet connection unless you have been living under a rock just try to turn on a game and not receive an update. Good luck. Sure it is not required, but if it fixes an issue why the hell not use it. What's the saddest part is you say you are a fan, but for a small update that fixes the original design which was always online you are now against. Make up your mind.

goku2000
goku2000

@Snakepond1 @jinzo9988 All I hear out of your mouth is more of the same fanboy drivel.  The fact that you can't appreciate someone who isn't interested in Xbox exclusives but loves the hell out of Forza just shows how narrow minded you are.  And FYI, unless a console game is an MMO game, no console release has EVER required an Internet connection for single player.  In case you've been living under a rock for the past decade, patches for a game (even those that you say are day one patches) have always been OPTIONAL, and the only drawback to not installing a patch has been disconnection from online play, which once again, aside from an MMO, has never been required for a single player game.  Your argument is entirely invalid.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

@jinzo9988 @Snakepond1 You see you started with a proper argument and then got nasty at the end. 

First, please tell me in this day in age what game does not have a day one patch? I apologizes if you do not have the internet, but rest of us do have some sort of way to update our software and in today's day and age most games require some sort on online at least to patch our software.

Secondly, after all the bitching everyone has done a major corporation decides to take your point of view and offer you a system that is offline for the most part and you shit on it. 

Thirdly, what bigger picture? Microsoft is giving the same old piece of shit that the PS4 is offering. Also, if you are not a fan of Xbox exclusive why the fuck are you talking to me about Forza?

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

@Snakepond1 It's quite easy... I pop in the disc, wait for/skip the intros, pick career and away I go.  I'm not arguing that single player is a better experience than multiplayer, I'm simply saying that Forza 4 doesn't require an internet connection at any point in time, thus it's not a requirement.  Forza 5 REQUIRES it, even if it's just the initial one-time thing.  It's enough of an issue that they should actually disclaim it on the box that it requires a connection.

Also, I'm not getting it because it requires a new console... a new console that I'm not all that interested in.  I love the series but it's not a system seller for me.  It's not something that's going to make me ignore all the bad press and stupid BS Microsoft have said these last few months, not to mention a lot of the Xbox 360 exclusives that just don't appeal to me.

I apologize for having a mind and enough of a will to step back and look at the bigger picture rather than bend over and take it up the rear end for the next few years if not longer just for a couple dozen hours of fun.  I did that with the Wii and I haven't played a proper Wii game on it in over a year.

goku2000
goku2000

@PicklePuffer @mavennewbern @goku2000 I know it's free.  I just get the distinct impression that developers are taking a half-ass approach to game development when doing this sort of thing.  I will repeat what several others  have also posted:  why not release the full game when it's done?

GlaciusXL
GlaciusXL

@PicklePuffer @mavennewbern @goku2000 It does take up harddrive space though. If games still require mandatory installs, I know that takes up space too but it's much easier to remove and put back on anytime. I do that a lot on 360. It's makes a ridiculous amount of noise with some games if I don't install, but I can delete games I'm not playing to make room and reinstall in a few minutes. But I leave all DLC and XBLA games on there because of download times and download allowances. If MS want's to run some high-speed internet through here, awesome! But many places it's dial-up, satellite or nothing. I'd be glad to buy some fast internet, but no one wants to run the lines. And MOVING, while an option, isn't a decision to be based around videogames.

persian_lion
persian_lion

@HairyMetalHead Why do you waste your time on an idiot like that dude? Just let him jump on the PS4 bandwagon. I bet he's no older than 13.

HairyMetalHead
HairyMetalHead

@danielbirchal @HairyMetalHead Well i can 100% guarantee i'm not drunk and my idiocy can be debatable. 

Though it seems that it is you that is either going into assumptions or is knowingly ignoring the true nature of this patch.

The game was built with a constant online connection in mind. Turn 10 were not expecting a reversal of policies, thus they will be patching the game to work offline for indefinite periods of time. That does not mean the game is unfinished, it just means they don't have development time leftover to include all this in the disc while still meeting the xbox one launch game goal.

In regards to servers, i will assume you didn't even click the link, but Microsofts Azure is available right now. Not only that, its been proven to work tremendously well in every area that it has been implemented in. That service will never be shut down.

Seriously before calling someone an idiot or a drunk you really might want to check your info, or you risk coming across as very ignorant.

herzi41
herzi41

@Dreamcast86 @treava @herzi41 so no chance to have the game unless you get the game while it is still hot on the market, huh. Though choice because there will be a lot games to choose.