Forza 3: Drag Racing Q&A

If there's a way to push your favorite car to its limits, you'll probably find it in the upcoming Forza Motorsport 3 from Turn 10 Studios. Racing ranges from traditional circuit and oval racing to more specialized disciplines, such as timed races and drift events. While all of these racing styles...

If there's a way to push your favorite car to its limits, you'll probably find it in the upcoming Forza Motorsport 3 from Turn 10 Studios. Racing ranges from traditional circuit and oval racing to more specialized disciplines, such as timed races and drift events. While all of these racing styles require technique behind the wheel and a mind for tuning your car to its peak of performance, perhaps nowhere are these two disciplines more perfectly melded than in drag racing, which is yet another race type that will be found in Forza 3. Recently, we had a chance to speak with game director Dan Greenawalt on drag racing in Forza 3 to see what's in store for the quarter-mile crowd.

GameSpot:
A drag racing mode was rumored to be in Forza 2 but obviously never materialized. Were there plans to put it in the previous game and, if so, how far along did you develop the idea?

Dan Greenawalt:
We had a drag mode in the first Forza Motorsport on the original Xbox, and we had plans to bring the drag strip track over to Forza Motorsport 2 on [the] Xbox 360. However, after the X06 press event, we decided to cut drag racing from the game. The reason for this change of heart was because we felt that in hindsight we hadn't given the proper game design attention to the mode in the original game and doing a straight port from Forza 1 to Forza 2 wouldn't provide it the proper attention it deserved. And because we were investing heavily in other areas of the game instead, such as Auction House and the livery editor. I know our community has been asking for it since day one on [the] Xbox 360, so I'm glad we're able to revisit drag mode for Forza 3 and do it justice this time around.

GS: How will drag racing events work in to your Forza 3 career? Are drag events optional or a required aspect of your career?

DG: Just like other racing events in our Career mode, there's a series of drag racing events players may encounter during their exploration of our 220-career event matrix. All drag race events in Forza 3 are limited by horsepower and power train, and they take place on our eighth-mile and quarter-mile drag strips (although we also have the one-mile and half-mile drag strip tracks in the game as well). All career events are optional in Forza 3.

GS: Talk us through a typical single-player drag racing event. Is it a simple one-shot race, or do you race in multiple heats, tournament style?

DG: Each drag event is a series of three race days, and each race day consists [of] three heats. In classic tournament style, the winners of each race face each other in the next round while the losers are matched up. And basically, you go through a total of nine runs to determine the winner of the overall event between eight competitors.

GS: What kind of options will players have for upgrading their cars for drag racing?

DG: We've added 50 percent more car upgrades to Forza 3 from the previous game, which already had plenty to begin with. That said, we don't have specific drag racing part upgrades, like line lock, drag-specific fuel pumps, or drag-specific superchargers. What we've got are a ton of upgrades to mix and match, such as different tire compounds and separate front and rear tire sizes. Managing these upgrades can make your car very good at launching--drive train swaps, engine swaps--basically all the components that make your car really fast for drag racing. Just like in real life. Again, Forza 3 is an automotive sandbox that allows the player to optimize cars for all types of scenarios--circuit, oval, drag, drift, etc.



GS: How will car tuning work for drag events? Will there be special tuning presets you can choose from to get started or are you on your own?

DG: Our auto-upgrade helper in the Career mode will help the player reach the horsepower requirement for the drag event, but the voodoo that goes into fine-tuning a car is always up to the player. In the real world, there's something of an art to tuning a car. Forza Motorsport is no different. The good news is for those who want to test their hand in drag racing but don't view themselves as great tuners, there are many in our community who have made a name for themselves tuning all types of cars for different purposes, and we're excited that drag racing will become a big part of that. Now with Forza 3's storefront feature on Xbox Live, these community "tuning garage" groups will be able to set up their own presence in the game that's accessible to the player 24/7, and so you can count on there being plenty of drag race tune files out there for users to purchase and share.

GS: Will players be able to burn out before the race to build up tire temperature?

DG: No. Tire temperature is already set to [an] optimum condition to maximize grip. We initially designed a burnout and staging-style minigame within the mode, but it just didn't feel like Forza. We really wanted to emphasize the skills of tuning and racing, not burnout and staging. Instead, we decided to emphasize tuning and racing. We will have plenty of folks who will dominate the drag racing scoreboards because they're going to understand it's not just about holding down the right trigger button when the tree lights up. For instance, launching a car efficiently off the line is a carefully learned skill. Traction control doesn't kick in at launch. Plus, automatic does not shift as quickly as manual transmission, and using manual with clutch gets you even faster shift times still. So those who master manual transmission and manual with clutch will be cutting off small amounts of time with their shifts, and in drag racing, every tenth of a second counts. Also, depending on your car and whether you have a limited-slip differential or if the raw torque of your engine is causing chassis flex, your car will veer off the line and require you to make subtle steering adjustments. It really comes down to your car and how it is set up.

GS: Obviously, some cars are better suited than others for this style of racing. What kinds of cars will be especially suited to drag racing events? Is there any chance of some top fuel or funny car models appearing in the game?

DG: Much of it is what you'd expect from real-world results. Obviously for short one-eighth mile races, all-wheel drive cars have such a distinct launch advantage that they're going to do very well on that track. Managing weight and weight distribution, putting more friction onto the rear tires--these are all things that are important to consider when you're in a rear-wheel drive shootout. What it really comes down to is that we're just letting our realistic physics system handle the nuances of drag racing while we frame a proper game design element around the proceedings.

GS: What length tracks are available, and where are they located? Are they purpose-built drag strips or sections from currently existing circuits?

DG: We have four drag strip lengths in the game: eighth-mile, quarter-mile, half-mile, and one-mile. They are all purpose built, and these different lengths require vastly different setups and tuning.

GS: How will online drag racing work?

DG: In terms of multiplayer, drag racing is one of our big umbrella options, [for] which then you can go and customize rules to create nearly limitless variations on drag racing game types. It's even possible to get multiple cars on the grid drag racing simultaneously, which makes for some interesting team-based battles. By default, it's set up to be a heats-based tournament. The net is that it's really up to our community to come up with clever drag racing modes online, which we may then adopt into the official Turn 10 party hopper.



GS: Occasional lag in online circuit racing is no big deal, but lag in drag racing--where thousandths of seconds can be the difference between winning and losing--can be a real problem. How is the team tackling online infrastructure this time out to provide the best performance?

DG: We've learned a few tricks over the years. Latency is an issue we've dealt with by implementing a custom arbitration system for timing and scoring, as well as a behind-the-scenes AI shadow to help estimate the player's next move in high-latency situations.

GS: Thanks for your time, Dan.

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Some of the cars ideal for drag racing that will be included in Forza 3:

  • 1967 Chevroley Corvette Stingray 427
  • 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
  • 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
  • 1969 Dodge Charger R/T
  • 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10
  • 2006 Dodge Charger SRT8
  • 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8
  • 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR
  • 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429
  • 2008 Saleen S331 Supercab
  • 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C

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261 comments
profileap600
profileap600

Omg 1 mile drags are going to be so awesome. It will be interesting as hell. Turn10 fulfilled my racing fantasies. All hail Turn10 they are the best. XD Btw my Xbox 360 is better than yours nah nahn ah dee dee d

dredre31
dredre31

I'm just glad they finally understand how important drag is to us racing folks out here. I'm still waiting on the day where the game developers come out with a decent drag racing game!

damstr
damstr

No burnout? Also I bet the high horsepower Supras with 1400hp aren't going to be able to hook up at all even though they can in real life. :/

IRISH_VANDAL
IRISH_VANDAL

wow. haterz on all fronts. funny, i heard that most console owners are over 23 yearz old and mostly male. thats an average. i presently have kidz that act more mature than some of the people in this forum (and no they would not dare act out, for they know they would feel the wrath of the parents if they did - which more parents should try, it works). who cares what console iz better. personally i like to believe its mine( but i do sometimes wonder if there is something i am missing besides Blue-Ray with the PS3), but that is MY OWN opinion and in no way am i bashing either side because of this. honestly without PS or MS and Nintendo the market would be very stale and we would be having to deal with a monopoly much the likes of EA with Madden and taking the whole pie for themselves and not really pushing the envelope like they would/should if they had real competition. but that is another topic all together. just realise that no matter what system and/or rig we own we are all brothaz(and a few sisterz) and that bigger and better fights are at hand. point all of this anger at EA, Blizzard and others of that ILK. jmo. later folks. good gaming on both sides for all.

Xz310
Xz310

btw anybody know if a demo may or may not be realised for this game? i will download on first notice, looks cool Turn 10 hasn't let me down yet and i hope they never will.

Xz310
Xz310

wow best, comeback, EVER what car u drive?

HaloKillerX
HaloKillerX

OK first off Forza 3 looks great. Cool cars, cool tracks, cool game modes. It wont be perfect but who cares its just a game anyways, im not going to die because they messed up something. Hats off to you Turn 10 Good Job. Now second @ all of you. Shut up, stop arguing over whats better console or computer. WHO CARES!!!. Your a loser if you argue about it end of story. There is way more important things in life. And if some of you are diehard auto fans blah blah blah like you say because you spend 5,000 hours playing racing games...you take all the money youve wasted on six computers and graphics cards and keyboards and everything else youve bought to keep up with technology and go buy a real race car and go to REAL tracks with ive heard almost surreal physics, crazy I know. I didnt even know forza 3 was coming out in october bcuz ive been to busy working on my REAL car. I have a life and Forza 3 is something I play to relax. Apparently to some of you it is much more than that. @SlavaOtechestvo STFU!!! Talk trash in real life not on a forum...it just makes you look like an A**. I own a 360, im 20 yrs old, not fat, not rich or spoiled and i buy my own stuff mainly for my REAL car. Your arguement has nothing to do with Forza even. And if you hate consoles why are you here? Youll never own it anyways since Forza 3 wont be on a computer. Best wishes, hope you find some friends

professor_choas
professor_choas

lol @ all of you you all sound like fanboys to me. arguing on the internet isn't cool so stop trying to make it that way. people have their own opinions and they're that, opinions. I've owned both systems and i currently own a 360 and i will be getting this game. to be honest the only thing reason is drag racing. if forza 2 had it i would still be playing it. GT5 will be whatever it is and we won't know till it comes out, if it does. Forza will have circuit, drag, and drift racing. GT5 will have circuit, drift, rally, and i heard nascar or something like that. both games will be good and they will each be exclusive, but all you fanboys and e-thugs need to stop being such hypocrites. if someone says GT5 will be better in their opinion, then dont give them a negative comment, because someone will say this is gonna kill GT5 and you all agree. and if you do agree, then that makes you a straight up fanboy. its like the saying goes, "some people say cucumbers taste better pickled." and one more thing. to all the e-thugs out there, if you don't have anyone to hate on, feel free to hate on me.

SGum360
SGum360

So basically what I understand is that all the babies that cant use anything but AWD are still going to dominate at a sport that it is completely impossible to do that. I had HIGH hopes for Turn 10 on this mode and it sounds like I've been let down. Maybe they should actually hire people that actually know a little something about drag racing. They should also READ the forums on their website.

GENER-AL
GENER-AL

@thumperhulk when you learn to read (and spell by the look of your post) then you can comment on my literacy. I said nothing about having a dislike for this game thus making your post irrelevant. I said i was looking forward to the game and was clearly pointing out that there was no need to call console gamers idiotic fat kids. if you dont have the brain power to figure out what each post is saying, don't comment, simple as that.

davieboi1994
davieboi1994

Look at all you girly's arguing about video games, I'm excited for both Forza Motorsport 3 and Gran Turismo 5 (despite the terrible prologue/demo which isn't even free). Yeah ok express your opinion but accusing people of being "fat kids" is a bit extreme, considering the chances are you've probably never met them in your life. I do thing FM3 will be tonnes better than GT5, but I don't get arguementative or abusive about it, as I don't sit around glaring at my tv all day. More to the point drag racing looks absolutely amazing, can't wait to take a nice 400bhp Vxr Corsa and make mince of some M3's. Stunning graphics too.

HPE550
HPE550

Woohoo! Its back, well...atleast drag race mode :P

thumperhulk
thumperhulk

@ GENER-AL You are just barely literate. In fact, literate is almost a stretch considering the idiodic post you have blessed us with below. If you do have a job as you suggest, you should look into hiring legal counsel to sue the sorry teachers that taught you Language Arts in elementary school. They have obviously let you down. Do you even know the difference between communicating via SMS to your friends versus the written english language?! Forza is a fantastic game and, like SlavaOtechestvo, I am passionate abou auto racing. Keep up the great posts SlavaOtechestvo!

GENER-AL
GENER-AL

@SlavaOtechestvo If there the only console playing people you have met you must have a pretty sad and solitary existence and have virtually no friends what so ever. I am quite obviously literate (more so than you since its spelt tuxedo not toxedo) , i don't have a SonyEriccson mobile phone, i have a job in which i buy things for myself thus not spoilt, i speak very well and i have a good behavior (obviously better than yours since im not calling any one scum or pretending not to be jealous which you obviously are other wise you wouldn't be acting like an infant) i thought i cleared that up in my last post that most of us on here who have console's are not kids and so that pretty much sums up your memory span. You are implying that the way people talk, spell and behave is down to which gaming device they play?! that is one of the stupidest things i have ever heard, and i suggest you get out more into the real world rather than staying up all night dressed as frodo playing dungeons and dragons and shouting at your friend to throw a heal spell on you. In other words socialize with real people instead of coming up with complete crap. Like i said last time, once you get over yourself and have had time to talk to real people face to face (no Skype doesn't count) come back and then try justify yourself and try to do it in a civilized manner rather than sounding like a dyslexic up his own arse moron =) To everyone else im sorry this has nothing to do with Forza, and take care ^^

sagvr4
sagvr4

@hassy94 misunderstanding, i was commenting on them saying the manual would be faster than auto in this new drag racing mode. and this is comparing a properly built manual trans to a properly built auto for drag racing, not a stock cars 5 spd trim vs its automatic trim. theres a reason the fastest race cars one earth run automatics, they shift at a fraction of the time it takes a human to shift and eliminates human error for misshifts. they can also rev match perfectly and allow drivers use of the left foot on the brakes while downshifting

MikeHawke
MikeHawke

@SlavaOtechestvo,dont see the point, to be honest i bought my xbox to be entertained when i come home from work or after the gym to unwind. Not to learn anything.

SlavaOtechestvo
SlavaOtechestvo

@hassy94, I'm not specifying console gamers, I'm speaking in general. As for games, I'm pretty sure finger reflexes will get you nowhere and the kind of teamwork applied in console gaming can be used nowhere else in life too. These games also provide no general knowledge on the subject of history, politics and language, they only know the name of guns and which one is better according to their own little world - inside the television. Now I'm not saying there aren't stupid games for PC, but there are zero smart games for consoles. That is all.

hassy94
hassy94

@sagvr4 Ahh but only fully manual transmissions will really use the engine power at low to medium engine speeds. An automatic has to slow down to avoid downshifting, so Turn 10 didn't do anything wrong.

sagvr4
sagvr4

manual shift times with a clutch faster then using an automatic? thats not realistic at all! lol thought thats what this game was going for.

hassy94
hassy94

@SlavaOtechestvo You should be more open to other types of gamers. We're definitely not all spoiled six year old children. I got myself a job and paid for my Xbox 360 myself. My computer and internet are both awful. I don't complain to my parents, asking them to upgrade it, because I know that money is a problem right now. If I had a choice, I would buy a PC and play primarily on that, but that would cost too much money. I don't have enough money for that, and I'm not going to ask my parents to buy it (even though I'm sure they would, if I asked). Please don't stereotype all console gamers, because the same idiocy could be used when looking at what a PC gamer is like. And as for your comment on console games themselves, you're just plain wrong. If you want mentally challenging games there are lots and lots of them on the XBox Live Arcade. There are many games that require different sorts of skill, like reflexes, teamwork and timing.

SlavaOtechestvo
SlavaOtechestvo

@fps_d0minat0r, You are a typical console gamer. Not only do you not acknowledge you are writing to me using a computer(!!!), but you know nothing and base games on popularity! Indie games are actually really good, and to top it all, many computer games have mods and high community support, like ArmA (which is a great game - too bad only PC though), STALKER (same) and many more.

SlavaOtechestvo
SlavaOtechestvo

@hassy94, A PC is essential in most families, at least very common. It is used for many, many things; gaming is only a part of it. A console is more-or-less strictly for gaming, with games that are usually mentally unchallenging and require zero strategy, thinking or provide knowledge. A console costs actually a lot more than a computer, if you count the fact games cost more and you need a good television. A good processor, compared to the console itself, will cost about the same: $500-$700.

SlavaOtechestvo
SlavaOtechestvo

@General_Al, The last thing I would be jealous of is a console gamer, somebody I couldn't care less about. I'm not poor or jealous, I just see how many 6 year olds play their fancy video-games on their personal televisions, call their only friend through a SonyEriccson cellphone, wear shoes that cost more than a toxedo, listen to 300 dollar ipods and basically get everything they want, that is the real society scum. The majority of console gamers I met can't spell, talk or behave appropriately...and they even have the sense to argue whose fancy 500 dollar electronic box is better. But whatever, PC is the best.

MikeHawke
MikeHawke

unreal i cant wait, id give a sneaky castro for this game

TGK117
TGK117

GT5 is going to have some competition

gillings
gillings

this game looks great i remember i was able to play 1 and 2 without stopping, same with need for speed underground 2 and gt is the fourth one that i play long hours, but forza so far takes the cake because of customization. tuning. feel to the cars, Its a great sim/arcade thumbs up to the guys who make it. Granturismo however is taking so long because they ARE making sure everything they are adding they do it right and correctly. or else it wouldnt take this long. what do you think they are doing sitting around saying i wonder how much longer we should hold this and get people to talk about it. no they are doing the real deal. hopefully adding AMAZING REALISTIC damage, they are known for REALISTIC so i DOUBT they would add arcade stlye damage.

xxx_rinad
xxx_rinad

im happy that Forza fans get to play their game soon am still waiting for GT5 :D

GENER-AL
GENER-AL

@SlavaOtechestvo 5 facts: 1) not every one of 'us' is fat 2) not every one of 'us' is a kid 3) were not spoilt just have enough money to buy decent things 4) you are the stupid fat kid 5) when you can get over your jealousy come back and try again, until then grow up Anyway onto the game It looks good and i agree with fps_d0minat0r that for the past years PS has had the best racing games not doubt. But xbox is definitely stepping up to the table in terms of racing games, and i feel that GT5 is gona have a pretty big rival when this is released.

Zippiot
Zippiot

GT has so many flaws in gameplay, and there is no need for 35+ different Skylines..... Also the more realistic you make a racing game the more boring it can become, real racing is fun b/c of the adrenaline caused by g-forces throwing you about the cab and pressing your brains against the back of your skull. Take that out of the equation and you are left with driving...Show me a big budget movie chase scene without crashes fire and jumps.

fps_d0minat0r
fps_d0minat0r

its sad because no matter how hard xbox exclusives try, ps3 always offers something better, in this case GT5. it could change after the release of both games but i highly doubt it since GT5 is 1080p native and Forza 3 is 720p native. as for driving physics......well im sure everyone knows polyphony digital have been owning that section since the first gran turismo. and the damage factor is also sorted out. anyways, forza 3 is still an excellent game and its not guaranteed to fail like halo wars was. @ SlavaOtechestvo PC's get all the rubbish games out of which 40% are RTS's, 40% are games already released on consoles months ago, and 20% are games people have never herd of in their lifes.......PC gaming fails so dont bring that problem to a console article.

cilayin
cilayin

I can't wait for Forza 3! They've got so many cars, it's so detailed and beautiful. The games just simply amazing.

l33tek
l33tek

Drag is a nice feature for Forza. In the future, I would like to see Forza offering alot more diverse racing groups. (i.e. Forza Drift, Hot Forza Nights, 24 Hrs Forza, Forza Cup, etc.. etc...)

hassy94
hassy94

And to Coldfire, please don't come at with me with this "Polyphony Digital wants to make it perfect before incorporating it" BS. No one works like that, they are going to implement it and improve it in GT6 (I presume). Things are worked on, then they are implemented. They are tested, analysed, improved and then implemented again at a further stage. That's how things should work. Sorry if I sound fanboyish or anything, I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to defend something that is being wrongly criticised. I would do it for either console.

hassy94
hassy94

Lol at Slava. Calm down, I thought that there are lots of very good PC sims. Or am I mistaken? Plus, if you want this game for PC, you must have a damn good PC to run it. I'm sure that PC costs a lot more than an Xbox 360 or a PlayStation 3, so how are WE "spoiled"?

SlavaOtechestvo
SlavaOtechestvo

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hassy94
hassy94

ColdfireTrilogy, they need to balance realism and fun. If at every little bump into a wall you crashed out crazily, it wouldn't be fun at all. The point of damage is to provide a punishment for driving incorrectly and for nudging people off the track. On GT3 (the last one I played), you could knock people out the race and you would be find. I can see this being a much bigger problem online, too.

ColdfireTrilogy
ColdfireTrilogy

@hassy94 ... what we are saying is that Forzas damage while cool and all is not realistic AT ALL. I remember in both one and two being able to bump walls at 180mph+ and oh noes dmg ... im still driving though. Go watch a race, you see a supercar bump a wall and its over at that speed. Yes theres damage in forza, no its not realistic. Even slight collisions are more than enough to knock a car out of a race let alone carreening into walls at 80mph and only seeing chassis distortion or a messed up drivetrain ... im sorry but I dont want that in GT5. If they are going to do damage, make it real. 30mph collisions should be enough to take a car out of a race, an 80mph wall bump should be MORE than enough.

haloboy10
haloboy10

This looks loads better than the last one i can't wait til it comes out

hassy94
hassy94

The funny thing is, all the fanboys claim that damage is "rubbish","crap","not needed" and "makes it less realistic" (WTF is with this one?). Once Polyphony Digital announce properly that they have full damage capabilities they will all use it as an argument that makes it better than Forza 3. I for one will be thoroughly enjoying Forza Motorsport 3 on my Xbox 360. It's a shame I don't have a PlayStation 3, because if I did I'd also buy Gran Turismo 5 within a heartbeat.

neiljimenes
neiljimenes

gracias por otorgarnos estos chidos juegosss

aero250
aero250

@razofett Could not agree more.

gauty
gauty

tey ev done a good job on visuals... hope the play is as good 2!

PlzDuntBanMe
PlzDuntBanMe

See how stupid PS3 fanboys are rating down all the good comments towards Forza? Watch while this comment will get tons of thumbs down from PS3 fanboys. Oh well, I will just be playing the best racing simulator there is and you can be jealous all you want.

playstation_dad
playstation_dad

this game is the reason i wish i had not got rid of my xbox tbh!

birdman4
birdman4

This is super exciting. I'm buying a mad catz wheel soon just to get the most of forza 2 and soon forza 3 . It won't win goty probably but it will be my goty!

razorfett147
razorfett147

Ppl bashing FM3 for having drag racing or because they are GT fanboys need to go get a life. If you have never touched a FM game, or have never taken a high performance car down a real dragstrip........you have NO room to comment. I own every GT game made (except Prologue).....it's the series that got me into cars and car games. But Forza brought alot of features to this genre that GT has been missing out on, hence its success. No doubt GT5 will be a solid new edition to the GT franchise.....and its best yet. But I think saying which game will offer a better experience is premature at best considering neither has been released yet. So all the fanboys need to put their trap in neutral until then. As for all of you bashing on drag racing, I openly invite you to bring a 400+hp car to a dragstrip one day and turn out a time that doesn't make you look like a complete idiot. As someone who has been down a 1/4 strip in a fairly high powered manual gearbox rwd car, I can tell you there is plenty of skill involved in getting a perfect launch and hitting all those shifts just right. Any slip up.......and your time will suck. It's not just about holding down the gas at the green light and going straight. So stop bashing out of ignorance.

THESonicBrain
THESonicBrain

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