Fate of God game genre depends on success of Godus, Molyneux says

"If Godus doesn't exist, there are going to be no God games left," veteran designer says.

The fate of the "God game" genre depends on the success of Peter Molyneux's upcoming PC game Godus, the veteran designer told GameSpot in a new interview this week.

"If Godus doesn't exist, there are going to be no God games left," Molyneux said.

But why? First, Molyneux said the God game genre does not translate well to consoles because the interface and the "free-form" nature of their worlds is tricky to manipulate using a controller. "Controllers are awful for free-form. They're very serial," he said.

That's why you see so few God games on consoles, he said.

Second, Molyneux said games like FarmVille, CityVille, and Clash of Clans have been labeled "God games," but they really aren't, he argued.

"I don't think they are God games because they're not playful enough, they're not about your world; they're about this very compartmentalized world," Molyneux said. "So I feel that Godus should be a reinvention of that game and then infusing that with the ability that all people are playing together is fresh and new and different enough."

No stranger to making lofty claims, Molyneux boasted that Godus will break new ground and do things that no game has ever done before.

"There is nothing like Godus that I have ever played before. It's not like any game that has existed before," he said. The game will offer "ultimate freedom," Molyneux said.

Also in our talk with Molyneux, he recalled the origins of the God game genre itself. He is credited with giving life to the "God game" genre with Populous, but he never thought of using that specific terminology.

"I didn't invent that genre; I stumbled across it. It was only my alcohol-soaked brain that came up with that idea. And then the press turned around and said 'Oh, this is called a God game' and I didn't set out to do it," Molyneux said.

You can watch our full interview with Molyneux below.

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sidzero
sidzero

"If my game didn't exist, the whole genre would DIE!!!!"

Oh, Peter Molyneux, you are one of the greatest jokes of the entire gaming industry.

lilflipp
lilflipp

This dude is a master bullshitter. I listen to the whole thing and I'm not sure why.

lilflipp
lilflipp

His jacket has a really weird effect. It's making me trip. See? On his right shoulder area. It's like those 3D picture you have to look at weirdly in order to see the hidden image.

What do you think he's hiding in that jacket?

bunny_top
bunny_top

"Molyneux said the God game genre does not translate well to consoles because the interface and the "free-form" nature of their worlds is tricky to manipulate using a controller. "Controllers are awful for free-form. They're very serial," he said."

He is a dumb dude huh? Controllers are great for free form. Is the content that is bad, thats why there are so few games like that. Black and white, farmville, etc... Are all games that hit the spot years ago but with the next gen and the amazing fps of some games why somebody will want to play a slow and boring game like those anymore? I'll trade you Civilization to Max Payne every time.

lilflipp
lilflipp

@bunny_top Max Payne is an awesome game. But no replayability like Civ has. I still play civ and I still enjoy it as much. I think your comment is fucking retarded. The simple fact that you added farmville in there, as a serious game, just... I mean stfu.

sinclairhxc
sinclairhxc

i can't believe he's even still a big deal.  why would you waste the time to interview this backwards nut?  when have any of his games ever been deemed a true classic by the majority?  fable 1 is the only thing close but thats still a niche group, mostly consisting of people who owned an Xbox and were unaware of better RPG titles for that console.


this new game is going to bomb, and i already hate it because it bears that disgusting ever-so-British gawky art-style, in which all of his games include in some way.  it just makes it worse when he brags how "brilliant" or "beautiful" it is when it just looks dumb.  i'd rather watch Wallace and Gromit.

lunchbox2042
lunchbox2042

Sad that I haven't heard anything good about this game. It doesn't seem to be much of a genre savior.

DuaneDog
DuaneDog

I would say almost the opposite. The failure of his team to deliver on Steam after months of promises has done nothing but hurt this genre. Like so often, Peter does a great job of creating the vision but when it comes to execution this has been among his worst efforts of all. He claims that the genre hinges on his vision and his team? Please... with the tools and art assets now available he will be lucky if Godus is considered in the top 10 a few years from now. I've always given this guy the benefit of the doubt but the Godus debacle is a joke. 

jotalandia
jotalandia

What you get when you put a egocentric man to live at an ivory tower?

lilflipp
lilflipp

@jotalandia You get mother fucking Saruman!

crunchb3rry
crunchb3rry

I swear, Peter thinks he's a god. Both him and Kojima (with his $30 demo) need a serious ego check.

sinclairhxc
sinclairhxc

@crunchb3rry Kojima's games are good, at least.  i wouldn't say he thinks of himself as a god, either.  you have to remember that i doubt Kojima looked at GZ and said "hey, this is worth $30".  there are MANY MANY factors and people that affect decisions other than the director of the game, who is usually powerless when it comes to anything related.

also, Kojima regularly downs himself when he talks about other games that he thinks are better than his.  Molyneux only talks about himself and only about how amazing his games will be, opposed to how he's trying to make them or what they'll include like Kojima does.  Molyneux is the best in his own eyes.  he's literally the idiot of the industry.

also, the price of GZ really depends on whether or not its for you..  A: you either bought it not knowing what it is (a showing of the new Fox Engine's capabilities) and were disappointed and shouldn't have bought it in the first place being that there were a million articles conveying that its just a showcase of the engine, or B: you haven't played it or may not care to, in which case, your opinion is null since its just based off of band-wagon comments. 

personally, i am getting my money's worth.  its ok if you disagree and don't think that its worth $30, but then you just shouldn't have or shouldn't buy it, because with all the info that was released on it, you can only blame yourself for not realizing what you were getting into or what it is.

misternathan
misternathan

Peter's next project:  Epic Narcissist!


It's a social game disguised as a god game, where you have to delude yourself to get Relevancy Points, which you spend in your own mind.  It's going to be (pseudo) amazing!

UFO2012
UFO2012

Molyneux says he loves puppies

Scritty
Scritty

Really Peter? Oh!. So I guess:


Clockwork Empires

Folk Tales

Castle Story

Stonehearth

Rimworld

Gnomoria

Dwarf Fortress

Spacebase DF9

Dominions

Banished

Prison Architect

Craft The World

Terraria


... and all the other myriad of god games and variations on god games that are selling like hot cakes on the PC are just figments of my imagination then.

DuaneDog
DuaneDog

@Scritty  But if your idea of a god game is one that is all in your head and never actually forms into real software people can play and enjoy... nobody does that genre better than Peter!

nicecall
nicecall

"the fate of all games depends one if my game is good"  i can't stand this guy

hes so gross when he speaks also, he smacks his lips all the time and makes me want to hurl

DefconRave
DefconRave

This guy is the master of spin. Belongs in politics not gaming.

1blackone
1blackone


Been in Godus early access for awhile...

To PM, a God must be a man with tractor trailer, a matchbook, a fire extinguisher, and a scrapbooking fetish.

No, it isn't a God game, not anymore with the new V2.0 update. 


You have ZERO interaction with your people other than flattening land for them to build, then TELLING them what to build (so they have ZERO self-determination, too. Yay!), and clicking something that either starts fires (Meteor God Power in pic above) or click to stop fires...

THAT'S IT

You can no longer influence their culture(commandments), or what they look like(cross-breeding), or how they interact with another player's people(hubworld feature he promised).

Even more important, THERE'S NOTHING YOUR PEOPLE CAN DO THEMSELVES TO AFFECT THEIR OWN CIVILIZATION. No crime or discourse among themselves, No hunger crisis or disease they get that bring new gameplay. There's no gathering system where if they hunt, or mine, or farm enough they can acquire a perk or feature, nope.  

ALL that is done in.....I kid you not, a LEMMINGS mini-game where you guide them to a goal by clearing or moving land. BTW you are FORCED to play it if you want to advance. All you get for it are stickers that unlock building types and buffs....


hard to make only 14.99$ feel like a waste, but Godus is sure trying.


Xan26
Xan26

@1blackone  You are talking about a game that the developers themselves considers to be about half done, and I particularly would say less than a third done.


Of course there are missing features, of course it needs more to be made, the game isn't even finished yet. It ain't close to being finished for a long, long time.


The commandments themselves were not taken from the game, they were deactivated while they tuck it. Same goes for story mode, and versus mode, and the hub you mentioned.

gamerboy100
gamerboy100

Wow, he makes it sound like Godus is the only God game in existence.

catsimboy
catsimboy

So the fate of god games rests of the shoulders of a game where your primary role as god is to squish trees and move dirt... *cries*

megakick
megakick

This is for the IOS as well? How simple is this game.... I want a Populous with many, many possibilities..

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

Just give me a Kinect enabled 'Black & White' and im all good : )

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@thenephariouson So you can couple the inaccuracies of the Black and White engine with the inaccuracies of the Kinect?


Sounds like a nightmare.  Why would you ever want that?

vadagar1
vadagar1

by GOD indie developers will anwser our PRAYERS


and BLESS us with a nice GOD game 

to many puns>?!!!!


manga202020
manga202020

I really like Godus i play it on my Mac but i think peter needs to move it to the PS4/X1 too

Karlinel
Karlinel

@manga202020  No thanks, when/if he ever does a proper game he's welcome to it, but considering how retarded the guy's becoming, he'd try to sell godus for 35$ on consoles

Forcecaster
Forcecaster

Seriously... "Molyneux said" is at the end of every second line... Should have done that better Eddie.


By the way: "It was only my alcohol-soaked brain that came up with that idea." - Molyneux :D Sweet!

Rakou
Rakou

Molyneux may be an "innovator", but if you cant produce good games, then why do you even try? The quality of his games went to shit after Fable 2 (2006).

Also, is he completely ignoring 2011's From Dust? 

Forcecaster
Forcecaster

@Rakou Yeah, From Dust was very close to what he wants to achieve on the "simulation" front, but I have to admit From Dust wasn't that "open and playful" as he said.

thermalmotion
thermalmotion

This was from the interview with Danny. The article makes his words sound far worse then they were. Why are you cannibalizing your own content?

Vinnvn
Vinnvn

Fate of Peter Molyneux depends on success of Godus.

oflow
oflow

Looks like the God Game genre is doomed then.  Godus is bad.


And yes I'm talking about it because I paid $19 for it.

It should be on iphone and be called 'Pink Bubble' and he might make a bunch of money like Candy Crush.

StarsiderSajun
StarsiderSajun

It seems like every time I see mention of Molyneux or see something that he said, it's always something stupid. I want to go back to the days when he was just that somewhat regular guy that brought us such an amazing game like Fable. I don't like this future where he sounds like an idiot every time he speaks...

Stiler
Stiler

Wish we would get a proper God game from him. I have yet to play Godus but from the videos and things it seems like something designed specifically for "mobiles" and quick-time wasting, rather then an in-depth up to date God game. 


I would love to see Peter take what he learned from both Black and White and Populus and merge the things that worked (and maybe think of some new innovations) and give us a huge God game with the titans (from black and white) with better and smarter AI and more control over the landscape and how it's ruled, etc. 



emerin76
emerin76

aww man, just do Powermonger 2. : (  Fond memories of Powermonger on my Amiga 500.

..but I think P.Molyneux didn't much like Powermonger

Pewbert
Pewbert

It's funny how Molyneux went from amazing game designer to compulsive lying egomaniac who publishers won't touch anymore.

Godus is the spawn of a turd, which was sick, and then that sick did another turd. 

This man doesn't deserve to say what the future of god games will be.

The_Last_Paladi
The_Last_Paladi

I'll be the first to admit that I know absolutely nothing about what makes a good GOD game since I never played them, but I always been kind of interested in them.  That being said, just from my first impression of this game (which I admit could be wrong) it doesn't look like it would do a good job convincing me to play God games in the future...

Zloth2
Zloth2

FarmVille isn't a god game because it isn't a game.  He's right in that these games have faded away, though, and I think he's also right wrt the console controllers being why.  The same thing happened to Real Time Strategy games.