Fallout publisher undecided on Xbox One used games

[UPDATE] Bethesda says "We haven't had time to fully understand and evaluate [Microsoft's] policy" on secondhand titles; Sega says it is not prepared to comment.

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[UPDATE] Following the publication of this story, a Sega representative told GameSpot that it is not prepared to comment on its Xbox One secondhand games stance.

"I am not sure we're even prepared for a comment as we haven't even announced any next-gen titles yet. Stay tuned," a company representative said.

The original story follows below

As Microsoft announced yesterday, whether or not secondhand Xbox One games will be allowed--and if an activation fee will be required--will be left up to individual publishers.

GameSpot has contacted a host of publishers asking them to clarify their stance on the matter, but thus far only Fallout and Elder Scrolls publisher Bethesda has responded.

"We haven't had time to fully understand and evaluate their policy," a company representative said.

GameSpot also reached out to major publishers including Activision Blizzard, Electronic Arts, Capcom, Warner Bros., Take-Two, Ubisoft, and Konami. Responses will be added here if they are provided.

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter does not believe publishers will completely block Xbox One used games due to the possibility of significant gamer backlash or boycotts.

At the same time, Pachter said some publishers may move to block Xbox One used games for a certain period of time after launch in an effort to avoid cannibalization of new game sales.

This period of time was not specified, though Grand Theft Auto parent publisher Take-Two Interactive CEO Strauss Zelnick said last month that after eight weeks, publishers don't care much about used game sales.

"If you can keep the game in consumer's hands for 8 weeks, you almost don't care anymore about used game sales because it's the first 8 weeks that really nail you," he said at the time.

The Xbox One launches later this year. For more, check out GameSpot's news hub dedicated to the next-generation platform.

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sdkingsht
sdkingsht

here's an idea - how about making better games so ppl don't instantly regret buying them or want to take them back within 4 hours of playing them? or maybe more demos available online? #JustAThought

Ju-noh
Ju-noh

Nobody understands anything about the Xbox One so far so I can't blame them.

halo44327
halo44327

Here is one major issue about Xbox One. Xbox 360 was a pretty decent system. I was an owner till I was tired of the very very limited exclusive games. While PS3 provided 1.) a bluray 2.) good exclusive games while providing a lot of the 3rd party games 3.) free online play (aside from online passes (which are dumb btw)).

Now Xbox One is definitely falling behind and also not really giving a big "wow" in their product. They have bluray but many already have one and/or bought a ps3 which had one. The always online security hesitates me. Some people do not even own wireless or internet period. They might have a tv but someone might not have internet. What are they suppose to do? Microsoft did a big let down when they talked nothing about television entertainment and Call of Duty. Call of Duty Ghost looks aboslutely fan-lover and has almost nothing new to the series which copies from Black Ops II. But this is what kills the Xbox One. They try to make this "video game console" into an "entertainment console" which aims more towards tv. Which would a gamer do more: Play a video game or watch tv? Probably video games. You see, despite Sony making good consoles (PS1-3) and questionable consoles (PSP Go and somewhat PS Vita), they do aim towards the gamers. They risk it. And that is why I give more credit. They up the controller. They seem to be aiming towards what gamers want. Xbox One is mostly doing their "own" thing and that is a risky problem. They too are doing risks but their "risks" have major major flaws. Also the whole ordeal with the "we are stopping used games" is utter ridiculous. Be ready for another economic fallout except this time its on video games. People are going to be limited on purchasing video games. Not all of us have a wealthy sum of money. For example, (despite many hating this "example") I go to Gamestop almost every 2-3 weeks. I usually try to aim more towards sales and used games. I can then buy about 4 good decent games for a good fair price. If Microsoft ripped those out, I would be stuck with buying almost one game maybe and that would be it. Not only is Gamestop going to probably fall out of business but other stores like video stores and rental shops will drop out THUS causing more job losses and the limited purchases of games would cause larger companies to get kicked in the arse because they too will crumble down. And then say goodbye to video games. 


^Probably I overreacted to that part but it is highly possible. I bet Xbox One called it that name because they hoped to have "one". And I call that epic failure in name and so far the product itself.

kackarat24
kackarat24

Micorsoft has done nothing but crap on gamers at the beginning of the most important time in gaming, a new generation. MS has pushed me further and further away with the crap they have been doing as of late. I heard the rumors about 12-18 mos ago that MS may do something like this. I did not want to believe it thinking MS would not risk pissing on the group that has put them at the forefront of gaming. But, here we are, they did it, they chose to totally screw gamers, ruin the Xbox experience and loose the next Gen Wars all before the next Gen even began.

I have been a gamer for years, going back to when the NES came out intially. I have followed gaming ever since. I have most all of the consoles that have come out, I keep all of my games, I buy the occasional used game to keep up and find hard to find games etc. Yes, I have in recent times increased my purchasing of used games only because of crappy economy. But, I will buy a brand new game if I feel that the game is entirely worth a $60+ price tag. Or, I will wait for said game to drop in price and then buy it new on Amazon or something. 

I don't care what MS reveals at E3. I will not waste my money on MS products from here on out. I will pick up a PS3, a grip of games for it, flesh out my Wii library, the rest of my 360 library and pick up a Wii U for the 1st party titles of course.

Gonna sit the next Gen out on this one. 

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

The bottom line is DRM and higher new game prices both INCREASE piracy and used game sales. How anyone doesn't implicitly understand this is beyond me. It seems to me that creating an adversarial relationship with your most passionate, core gamer audience is potentially a very bad thing in the long run, even if MS believes they can snag the dude bros and soccer mom crowd at launch.  New games are too expensive...especially considering the vast majority of them suck. Throwing on some nasty invasion of privacy and trying to eliminate basic consumer rights of ownership is just icing on the cake. MS has earned every bit of the bad PR it is getting out of this deal. Still, their launch sales will likely be good. The question is how well will XBone sales hold up without a passionate, core gamer audience out there selling more XBones to family and friends. Word of mouth is what sells consoles long-term, not advertising or smoke and mirrors bullshit features. So, will the dude bros and soccer moms be out there telling others to buy an XBone? Somehow I doubt it. The average non-tech savvy American can't program their bed-side alarm clock...and probably isn't going to get all that excited about the Xbone's ability to, uh, play TV on the family TV.... So, who is going to sell these things if the system isn't going to sell itself?

Lawrencevanrijn
Lawrencevanrijn

There are two principles. The first is that new business can only truly grow through Pre-owned games. there is also the legal part. http://www.computerweekly.com/opinion/EU-court-legalises-second-hand-software
Here we see that second hand software in EU is seen as legal. Locking it through the console is not just an act against gamers, it can be seen as an illegal act and as such it should now become a debate whether sale of the XB1 and PS4 is to be blocked until this legality is settled. It might even become a discrimination process if publishers change their mind from region to region. To be frank, I have NEVER EVER bought a preowned game. ut i know a few parents who can only buy their kids a few more games each year becase of Pre-owned games. In addition, I myself am in favor of the existence of a season pass to enable online/multiplayer game modes for pre-owned games. That is only fair because of resources publishers require to service the online community.

CoRiNi
CoRiNi

It's not a matter of allowing gamers to sell games. I for one never sell my games. However ,I would definitely feel like the publisher is not respecting their customers when they deny them something like that. Respect is the only thing that is above all. 

Objio24
Objio24

Sega and Bethesda know that make games for this console mean lose money cuz no one is gonnna buy it 

Martyr77
Martyr77

I bought every Fallout game new for this gen. Know what got me interested in Fallout? Buying a used copy first.

Merseyak
Merseyak

like ive said people who say who cares about used games well without them they can charge whatever they like for new as it will be the only option

tionmedon
tionmedon

i only buy new and don`t sell games either ....

shuwar
shuwar

It is our wallets that vote.

Just don't buy the shit from the greedy bastards, and soon they will realize their mistake.

TigusVidiks
TigusVidiks

if they were thinking on timed blocking, they would not to tell it up front when the perception people have is  that they are going to block, period. I don't think that will work. . If they get people to accept a timed blocking, without telling them in advance how long is that blocking, it's pretty much the same as blocking indefinitely.

blackzio
blackzio

I have collectors edition of fallout 3 (bought new), game of the year (also new, resold the regular non goty still sealed from collectors) and steam fallout 3 + new vegas. But if bethesda does block used, they can say goodbye for me to keep suportting them like that. Its a matter of principles.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

I don't buy used games but everything has secondhand sales.  Having prices too high causes increased secondhand sales and piracy.  Prices should drop much sooner and there should be more frequent sales.  Most money should always go the the developers, not some asshat publisher.  The old outdated way some some of these companies wheel and deal is baffling.  Steam may not be perfect but the prices are great.  GOG is even better.

kiramasaki
kiramasaki

Betshda needs to find people who can program a fucking game. Fallout New Vegas and 3 are by far some of the worst games in terms of technical design. So instead of figuring out ways to screw people even more, how about Betshda first make a game that won't freeze my system once every ten minutes.

Bond_Villain
Bond_Villain

It's greed. 

The current publisher mindset is simply :

"How much more can I take from customers, given the billions I already make of them"

"And how do I craft a response so it appears that I'm on their side while f**king them up their collective ar$e"

C_A_G_E
C_A_G_E

PC has DRM but also have cheaper games. It's a trade off. I don't hear hcheaper games coming as a buy in to this additional DRM checks. 

I would not put devs into the same book as publishers. I'm sure many devs are flat out against this practice. Game publishers are just like movie producers, they only want to milk every dime possible. 

barronator
barronator

Doesn't matter either way microsoft enabled this money making scheme and i'm not buying another x-box product again

TitanPolaris
TitanPolaris

My advice for Bethesda is don't take the M$ bribe money and just develop for the PC and PS4! Skyrim and those other games they made for the PS3 were substandard and those ports were afterthoughts! Also no DLC for the PS3 versions when they released just to make the 360 look like the better option! Just make PS4 versions that are not buggy and have release day DLC, and then make the PC the central platform for development, just like the old days when the PS2 was around. Someone HAS TO STEP UP and tell M$ NO MORE! I use gamefly and there position and rentals is just downright OPPRESSIVE to people that have very little entertainment money after monthly expenditures like food and bills. TIME TO SAY NO TO THIS, TIME TO MAKE A STAND!

MW2ismygame
MW2ismygame

As long as i can get a copy on steam and mod the crap out of it i really dont care.  

edinko
edinko

"Bethesda says "We haven't had time to fully understand and evaluate [Microsoft's] policy" on secondhand titles; Sega says it is not prepared to comment."

This sounds to me like PR smoke and mirror lying bollocks. There is not much to not understand. They are waiting how people will react and if they think they can get away with it- they will implement the most anti consumer practices imaginable.

I am also pretty sure that it will be the same on PS4.

Before you start defending- it is a fact that SONY is letting the DRM measures "up to publishers" which is a very convenient way to push blame and negativity towards publishers because it was "their choice" .

If you will give a choice to people like EA and Activision whether they are consumer friendly or crap on basic consumers rights you already know what they will choose.

And there is no way in a million years that EA and co will publish the same multiplat game on the Xbone with heavy DRM and nonDrmd on the PS4. That wont happen.

They will either both be no DRMd or both DRMd to hell on a game by game basis

Rand0m0sity
Rand0m0sity

I'm glad Microsoft has so much respect for those of us in the military that they're willing to ensure that we can never play the Xbox One while we're deployed, where we go months without an internet connection. Thank you, Bill Gates; I'm glad I defend your freedom.

KarloCam
KarloCam

@sdkingsht Nothing worse than buyers remorse. The amount of times I've bought a used game and within 2 hours of playing it I've already thought to myself "Thank god I didn't pay full price for this shit!" If a developer makes a good game...people will buy it at launch.

cortana64
cortana64

@Ju-noh There keeping most of it under wraps, and will do away with that mandatory check in.

EddieDominguez
EddieDominguez

I think it's already broken some preorder records in the UK. It's going to sell well I think.

SeAzhrei
SeAzhrei

On a related note, know what got *me* interested in Fallout this gen? Borrowing my friend's copy of Fallout 3.

jtthegame316
jtthegame316

@tionmedon same here i buy new and i have always saw trading as a complete rip off.. people making a fuss about it all have not thought it through. first off the my 360 and ps 3 for that matter and even wii are always hooked into my connection when they are on and i bet most the people complaining a nearly always connected to. secondly even if it has to do the 24 hour check thing what is the 24 hour  check for?  i would say it is for this used games stance which would mean there will be games for the xbox one what will not require the check. personally at the mo i am buying a wii u and will get the xbox one or ps 4 along side it if games on them systems interest me after e3.

COPMAN221ISBACK
COPMAN221ISBACK

@tionmedon xbone one isn't for you because you need to verify each game onlinr so what happens to your game collection once those servers are gone, all those games become paper weights..

Objio24
Objio24

@tionmedon oh and i bet you dont have any friend to share your games right? because you cant or maybe you will have to start selling games , Xbox one will never rise from this 

Ju-noh
Ju-noh

@shuwar
Yeah, I decided not to buy another Bethesda game on my PS3 after the BS pulled with Skyrim.

I didn't buy a 360 because of the online fees(same reason why I won't get FFXI or FFXIV) so I definitely wouldn't buy an Xbox One.

kackarat24
kackarat24

@shuwar 

Exactly, don't buy the bitch. I certainly am not. Fuck MS. They can take that expensive cable box and shove it where the sun doesn't shine and rotate.

blackzio
blackzio

Oh, and why did i buy a new hard copy for ps3 even having the goty for steam already? because i though "I like this game so much, I want to have a copy where i can play it no matter what, if steam goes broke, i have no internet or whatever the reason i will be able to play this game in 1, 5, 10 years, just need any ps3."

EliOli
EliOli

@Bond_Villain 

I'm not so sure.  We've been bombarded with stories of lay offs, developers closing and publishers posting losses.  It takes a lot of time and money to develop great games.  When someone purchases a used game, that's money the developer never sees.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm all for a bargain.  But if the developers don't make a prophet, they close up shop.

arc_salvo
arc_salvo

@Rand0m0sity 

Bill Gates has not been the head of Microsoft for a while now.  And while he was gone he criticized Steve Ballmer and other leaders, said negative things about Windows, and even said Linux is awesome, it's great software that is in some ways superior to Windows.

I am NOT kidding by the way.  

COPMAN221ISBACK
COPMAN221ISBACK

@EddieDominguez I would check your facts because those preorders were done before the truth came out. Now their is some serious backlash in the UK. Whatever it was is most likely 0 now

Ju-noh
Ju-noh

@SeAzhrei
I rented Fallout 3 and then became so interested in it that I bought FO3, FO New Vegas, TES Oblivion, and TES Skyrim.

I would have bought none of those games if I hadn't played Fallout 3.  Well, maybe if I rented Skyrim but I'm not sure that I would have liked the previous games if I started with Skyrim.

kackarat24
kackarat24

@COPMAN221ISBACK @tionmedon 

Who ever thought of always online back at MS head quarters needs a boot to the head. One must verify their system with MS servers every 24hrs or no game playing? 

I don't always have my 360 connected all of the time. I will take my system downstairs on my 60" plasma for days at at time and I don't have it hooked up the internet at that point (I could but it would mean an extra cord to the wired switch behind my theater set up)

Sony got cocky last Gen with their pricing of the PS3. I don't recall the name of the exec but he was certain people would buy it regardless of price because it carried the Playstation name. Maybe that is why Sony ended up in last place. I see MS being even more cocky this time around. I honestly cannot wait for MS to fall flat on their faces this Gen.

MS makes a shit Windows platform called Windows 8, a crap phone, a crap tablet (with Windows 8 of course) and now a underpowered game system that is running three OS's in tandem which eats away at the power needed to give truly kick ass game experiences.

I hope this will be a learning experience for MS. Count them out this Gen. Maybe they will embrace gamers next gen.

Ju-noh
Ju-noh

@EL_Bomberdor @tionmedon
I mainly buy new but there is those rare moments when you find an old/rare game, that is usually a couple hundred dollars new, for only ten/twenty dollars in a pawn shop.  You won't get moments like that anymore if you get an Xbox One.  That's why I'm sticking to the PC and probably a PS4 if it's reasonable enough.

Lawrencevanrijn
Lawrencevanrijn

@EL_Bomberdor @tionmedon I see that as BS. I am like tionmedon, i only have new games (often limited ed.) yet i know a few people who can only afford 1-2 new a year, and perhaps 3-4 preowned ones. Some people just trying to make ends meet. We should stick by them, even if we can buy new all the time. If w Gamers do not unite, EA will screw is for sure and then some!

shuwar
shuwar

@EliOli I think you're wrong. Used games are EXACTLY the reason why companies earn that much money, not just the half of it. Imagine who would buy a new game (especially shorter, less popular and not so well-received games), if you can't even sell or rent it? I certainly wouldn't...

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@arc_salvo MS has really lost their way. I've been hoping Bill would return...but sadly I think the behemoth he created has passed him by...the corporate culture at the main campus has gone to shit...first hand knowledge....

Chickenesta
Chickenesta

@COPMAN221ISBACK @EddieDominguez 

Realistically the new PS/Xbox could demand the soul of your first born child people will still be queueing around the block at launch.

The fact is this has been a long time coming, there will be no way around it, we just have to get used to the idea.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@EddieDominguez "non-traditional" = dude-bros and soccer moms/dads. Plenty of those will buy it at launch. The question remains, however, if that is the type of group that will be PASSIONATE about a product and evangelize it to friends/family...translation: SELL more by word of mouth. The thing that people seem to forget is a passionate core audience isn't just NICE, it is also a huge business advantage because the tech savvy gamer crowd tends to be the type of people that most non-traditional gamers go to for advice on what to buy when it comes to computers, gaming systems, and anything high tech in general.

So, I suspect you are right the launch sales will be strong despite MS's insistence on moving forward with some silly, invasive DRM schemes. The question will be how the long term sales will pan out without a core gamer group that is really passionate about the product and evangelizes it to others.

EddieDominguez
EddieDominguez

@COPMAN221ISBACK @EddieDominguez Lol I don't think it is at 0. Both articles I read on UK pre-orders came out earlier in the week so that's the latest info there is on it. I still anticipate the X1 doing very well in sales. "Core gamers" may not like it, but I think the non-traditional gamers are going to eat it up.