Epic: PlayStation 4 is like being given 'the world's best PC'

Epic Games vice president Mark Rein calls Sony's decision to use off-the-shelf PC components a "very smart move."

Epic Games vice president Mark Rein has said Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4, which features a mix of off-the-shelf computer components, is like being given "the world's best PC."

"I think it's a very smart move on Sony's behalf to build this sort of enhanced PC architecture and then put so much in it," said Rein in an interview with CVG.

One of the chief positives for Rein is the PlayStation 4's 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. "Let's not forget it has 16 times the memory we had in PlayStation 3--that's not insignificant. Knowing that every machine has that…we can do crazy, ridiculous stuff with that."

"The other exciting thing is that… when you think about Windows, even Windows for most people is tied to about 2GB of addressable memory space. This really opens up beyond what most PCs can do, because most PCs are running a 32-bit version of Windows."

"It's like giving you the world's best PC," he added.

In terms of gaming, then, Rein was enthused. "The kind of stuff that they announced that they're doing, the level of convenience and things like that… they're making a really perfect gaming PC," he added.

Rein added that the next generation of consoles is about more than just adding extra specs to the hardware, though. "I've always said that the things in the next-generation that aren't just brute force hardware are all about the service and simplicity of the experience - the things that make it as fun and easy to get a PS4 game as it is to get a game on your iPad."

The PlayStation 4 is due for release later in 2013. At GDC last week, Epic released a new video of the Unreal Engine 4 running on Sony's new hardware.

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3D3
3D3

Sony  always wins baby!

CaptWaffle
CaptWaffle

*sigh*

This is a response to everyone that is saying that the PS4 isn't "The greatest PC-thingee whatever ever made":

The dude was saying that because of how it's set up that it has advantages over something that is set up with the best possible parts... thus his comment that it is set up better than something that just uses "brute force."  He also seems to be indicating that certain bottlenecks are bypassed due to it's architecture and design.  Also: since game designers will be designing to maximize THIS particular setup; they won't have to worry about dealing with every possible chip/hardware/whatever combination that a given PC might have.  

All of that said:  since I've been quite happy playing on a system with 1/32 the memory and God knows how much less processing power:  I'll be quite content.  

It makes me sad that when I played on PCs all the time and had my LAN parties that, deep down inside, all my PC friends might have been conceited jerks that somehow measure their self-worth by a bunch of esoteric computing numbers/figures that somehow make them superior to people that own consoles.  Well, you guys can feel superior all you want:  whatever floats your boat... there are people with worse self-esteem crutches than having a fast computer.... but I'm pretty damn happy having only spent $400 the last 6+ years on console hardware and probably $12-15 average per game... so lets say $2,000 the last 6 years for my main hobby... so lets guesstimate $330 a year.... so that's under $30 a month for a hobby that I spend a LOT of time on (what can I say, I've got more free time than the average bear.)  There are always PC people that state how cheap PCs are and how consoles are somehow more expensive.... but anecdotally everyone I've known that was way-into PCs has spent a HUGE amount more than I have.  I went console to cut costs.... I guess if I somehow needed a PC that could run the Matrix (the actual one... not the movie) I'd go buy one... but since I've averaged a dollar a day over the last 6 years gaming I think I'll stick with that.... regardless of how "inferior" that makes me to the surprisingly defensive PC crowd.  

paperwarior17
paperwarior17

How about you guys quit rattling on about the superiority of PCs and listen to the kid in the taco commercial: "Why not have both?" Judging by this gen, consoles get a lot of titles which PCs don't. If you're already spending money on always being up-to-date, why not pay $400 (or less after a price drop) at some point and get rid of that limitation?

hartsickdiscipl
hartsickdiscipl

This is so laughable.  There were $900 gaming PCs in 2011 that had more punch than this.      

BorgOnization13
BorgOnization13

The fact is, there are PCs that came out in 2010 that have superior specs compared to ps4. PS4 is no where near "the worlds best PC". True, many of them are expensive, but when an experienced PC builder gets his hands on some really good parts, it blows next generation consoles out of the water.

Osteoporozis
Osteoporozis

The world's best PC? It'll be outdated the moment it's released. That's how it goes with computer hardware. If you can't upgrade it regularly you're going to fall behind. Since most of the games are designed around consoles, the games will fall behind as well. 

Prepare for technological standstill for the next decade (assuming it'll be another silly long gen). The PS4 will be a god damned dinosaur by the time they start thinking about the next one.

Mega_Skrull
Mega_Skrull

I'm a ps3 owner and I know this kind of claim will always be stupid. PCs just can be upgraded all the time, that's as true as how I don't care. All I want is to have fun with good games, plug and play, no worries on compatibilities or specs. Gimme that and a somewhat powerful console that can do it for some years and I'm happy. Fanboys and Epic can eat each other's guts for all I care.


Sony, just don't pull an Xbone move (well, all of those wrong moves). Long live play, I hope!

Zeran_kariashi
Zeran_kariashi

The PS4 is on par with a top of the line PC...from about 7 years ago....nothing to sneeze at mind since that's roughly 3x what the PS3 and 360 were, but it won't be anywhere near the best PC.

xanthan1
xanthan1

If by best you mean already outdated before it even comes out then sure it IS the world's best PC.

RICHARDuk
RICHARDuk

If you like the PS4 so much Epic make Gears of war for it  and make more money rather than giving it to the xbox exclusive.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

i can't believe how many companies now lie about there products.... this world is seriously going downhill if every company now just lies about everything.

edhc44
edhc44

Christ. The day console gaming "simplicity of the experience" becomes the same as an iPad, you can count me out.

Ledah
Ledah

Pretty much the world's best PC back in 2008.

Morphibiann
Morphibiann

Maybe... E3 will make or break Sony's new PC-esque Console. They will more than likely reveal most of its features then, but In my opinion if they have that short, bald fat guy waving his arms and running his mouth about Facebook features then I'm not buying it


As for this guy's statement, I wonder how much Sony has payed him to say these things

deltaLiege
deltaLiege

I believe a valuable point is being overlooked here regardless of hardware.  1000's of "your" hard earned dollars are shelled into next gen systems, and for what? Statistically speaking how many actual "GOOD" games are released a year by all consoles. Hell, how many times have you been Soooooo excited to play an upcoming release - even waited in line for the crap, only to be left with disappointment and regret for the 60 bucks you shelled out for it? The true issue isnt the hardware - the real issue is the lack of creativity put into the half assed titles they drop, coupled with these marketing sharks to get you sold on buying BS plain and simple. Truly if it was about the gamers, and all about the consumer being right, they would listen to all the reviews of there so called cherished consumer and give you the shytt you actually want to play. Not the crap they think is next gen gaming. Devs would be more successful in implementing a foundation for a game, then taking into consideration the ideas of those who will be buying and playing it.

Beautiful displayed crap is in our future

sum_guy09
sum_guy09

im only pissed that they didn't do this with the ps3.. its about fing time we get a half decent gaming machine comparable to a PC

nechiken
nechiken

No it's not... Good hype marketing though. 

The only way I'll touch the next consoles is if we start seeing less FPS and more damn variety in gaming. I'm so sick of shooters. Gaming's been getting worse and worse since the PS2

Edit:"It's like giving you the world's best PC," he added, pointing to Sony's introduction of "super convenient" features such as the ability to play games while they're downloading and perform background updates. 


And that has nothing to do with hardware...

Sahle123
Sahle123

We'll have to wait and see about that...

djames12345
djames12345

just face it.. pc gamers egos are to big

Mastadope
Mastadope

@BorgOnization13

I think you might of had a misconception with what he is pretty much saying.  While yes "Brute Force" hardware will always have more output then a closed platform, Rein says "I think it's a very smart move on Sony's behalf to build this sort of ENHANCED PC ARCHITECTURE and then put so much in it,"  so he is saying that physically the hardware is not bad and is quite decent.  Especially the 8 gigs of GDDR5 RAM.  And here is the other thing he is saying "The other exciting thing is that… when you think about Windows, even Windows for most people is tied to about 2GB of addressable memory space. This really opens up beyond what most PCs can do, because most PCs are running a 32-bit version of Windows."

So it's not the world best pc, but most likely the most practical to develop games for.

1. 8 Gigs of GDDR5 RAM

2. 64 bit architecture

3. Convenience developing on this platform - as opposed to developing on PC and having to worry about driver support, system configurations, etc....

Mastadope
Mastadope

@Osteoporozis 2017 is when actual development and planning of the PS5 will start.  By that time GDDR6 and DDR4 RAM will be out.  SSD's will probably be the standard (I hope).  And even at that alot of posters here don't quite understand how much potential "The Cloud" can produce computational task offloading or simple called cloud computing.  That is only one thing.  There are many many more possibilities just waiting to be announced/discovered with this emerging technology. 

ch7226
ch7226

@xanthan1  The fact that the ps4 will use linux vs. windoze on a pc...it is the best gaming pc. Why? because, linux uses ram much differently then windows, I've done pc gaming. Between the 2 hour long updates, constant bug fixes, system/driver updates, and the fact that maybe, just maybe your brand new 7970 could be DOA. Or if it does work, then that particular title you like best may not like that particular card, in a nutshell: if you're shitting $100 bills and don't mind the never ending updates, pc gaming is for you, it's too much of pain to keep up with, seriously. Not to mention when it comes to multiplayer, there's a hacker in almost every lobby, punkbuster sucks for preventing hacks.

Zeran_kariashi
Zeran_kariashi

@Hyster1298 No, unfortunately. If it was, I would buy one day 1, even if it cost extra for it, but without BC, it gets to wait a mandatory 3 years before I pick it up.

kormarch28
kormarch28

@edhc44 let me steal a line from you, words will be a little different.... But here goes........ Ahem.

"You know, you saying you are done playing console games because of simplicity doesn't make Sony care more, or less about what you think."

Crystall3d
Crystall3d

@deltaLiege yes lets not blame the developers, they might have a very potent creativity inside them but the rules of generation were so harsh this time. They are expected to make 

6+ hours of gameplay

good graphics on HD display

Fluid animations

 a good story that fit into it

 it accessible

challenging

FUN

and realistic!

lol 

deltaLiege
deltaLiege

A GAMING REVOLUTION IS IN ORDER MY BRETHREN! 

If we tolerate the BS, they will continue with the BS

platinumking320
platinumking320

@deltaLiege check out escapist recent  article on EA. The problem is the executive publishing leadership in the industry don't play video games. they don't have the mechanical insight that lead programmers and creative directors do, but are just a bunch of Gordon Gekkos buying these companies like toys and tossing them out when they don't reap twice the millions of the last release.

ch7226
ch7226

@nechiken No, the chip on the ps4's motherboard who's sole purpose is to manage your downloads, wouldn't have anything to do with it.

kithirris
kithirris

@djames12345 

Having a PS3 and X360 and PC at home is nice.  If I can play a game on pc I will, because face it, the shiot looks better on pc.  

I have those other consoles for a reason though, I can't play God of War on pc or Forza or Gran Turismo.  In short,

cant we all just get along?

kormarch28
kormarch28

@djames12345 Right, that's a true statement. Because you see so many people bashing each other over their video cards and CPU's. False statement. Factual statement is that you do with the folks that have PS3's and 360's. Xbox kids are the worst. They cannot grasp the FACT that the PS3 is a more powerful machine, and has better graphics because they can't grasp the FACT that PS3's software was to complex and more expensive to make the games on, so they just ported the Xbox version onto a blue ray and changed the Xbox coding with the PS3 coding. FACT. Want proof? Look at all the PS3 exclusive titles (Uncharted, God of War) compared with the 360 exclusives (Gears of war, Halo). The Sony blows it out of the water. Let alone the FACT that Xbox people have to pay monthly to play games online, Sony doesn't, but for some reason they believe that the 360's Xbox Live is the better. Even though you can do everything and then some on the PlayStation network for free. There is my rant about you console boys. Xbox people are just plain silly and treat the PS3 boys like pure shit.


Now we PC gamers, we just buy our computers, some of us (including myself) pay big money to make it an awesome gaming rig, but most do not. Do you ever see us bashing each other? Do you ever see any of us bashing the other person because he got a dell? No, because it isn't a big deal. We don't care what someone has in their machine, or what they have. All we care about if we are playing multiplayer games with another individual is that they are good. Not the shape name and color of their system. Most of us do not go around bashing console players, because we don't care. It isn't the same software and we know it isn't comparable. That's like comparing a rocket ship with a ford escort. they both travel, it is just the FACT that they are both completely different versions of traveling.

Iemander
Iemander

@SythisTaru @Zeran_kariashi No, the CPU is behind the curve by about 2-3 years. (It's made for cheap laptopsm performs slightly better than an i3) The GPU fares better at about 6 months.

Still tho, pure processing power seems more important this gen.

areial_ace
areial_ace

@ch7226 @xanthan1 what game took two hours long to update 

constant bug fixes - that a bad thing? consoles get them to

Driver updates - again thats a bad thing? consoles get them to

 DOA can happen to just about anything the only difference a PC user can do something about it

and a game rejecting a card is a near impossibility of it not being fixed almost straight away 

Don't play COD then and you won't deal with that many hackers and yes PB sucks 

ch7226
ch7226

@squidgy617 @edhc44  Because of the relentless hacking and pirating, one of three things will happen. 1...All the devs worth mentioning leaves pc. 2...Micro$hit turns windows into an os similar to the 360 dashboard, preventing all unsigned code and .exe's from running along with no file explorer. 3....somehow block all ports used for file sharing while forcing games to install  in the programs folder, and then locking it. Either one can happen, considering #1 would result in MS losing one of the two advantages they have over linux (other being multimedia production) They'll most likely resort to #3 to keep what devs they currently have for pc, while keeping the majority of its customers.

edhc44
edhc44

@kormarch28 @edhc44 And who said I'm trying to make they change anything. They're a business. They do whatever the hell they see fit. I, my individual person, will shift my interests to elsewhere. That's a statement of what *I* will do if it comes to that. I'm not saying it because I expect any other individual, let alone a company, change their minds about anything. 

Crystall3d
Crystall3d

@deltaLiege funny thing with this generation... COD 4 was the only ground breaking single player game yet...can you tell any better story telling? yes heavyrain for sure bıut what else

deltaLiege
deltaLiege

@platinumking320 @deltaLiege SOOO very true, and so unfortunate for us the gamerz. Its truly sad as ive been a gamer since atari. Whats even more funny, is the laziness these money hungry sob's possess. All they have to do is look at the game ratings given by the USER, and NOT these paid off companies who sell there souls to give these crappy games decent reviews to cap more sales. Creativity is a dying breed amongst game dev's. Dont get me wrong - there have been some nice concepts in development - but as i stated before -  this is a product for the consumer, why should it be any different in quality. if I was a major shareholder in the world of consoles, i would really start paying attention to game companies who pawn off BS games to my high priced and valued console. Seems to me gaming companies are decades behind the consoles that are produced to play it on.

ch7226
ch7226

@kormarch28 @djames12345 PSN + coming to a ps4 near you, paying to play...xbox party sucks, but at least it was there, i could chat with friends while gaming. Never really bashed anyone, only reason i never went pc, and i wont go pc this time, is because i don't eat, shit, and breathe video games enough to spend over $800 on a system. That's the only way i could justify spending so much on a gaming rig, is if i lived my life in front of a mouse/KB surrounded by empty soda cans and junk food wrappers.

ch7226
ch7226

@areial_ace @ch7226 @xanthan1  

Starcraft 2, took over 2 hours to grab a GB in updates, blizzard must have slow servers, because I'm getting 25mb down. It is when these fixes are coming out once/twice a week, never seen a game on console update that often, once every two months at the worse. Don't know about SONY but microshit stood behind their mistake increasing the warranty to 3 years. There's plenty of games from 2004-2005 that's picky about the GFX card, one of the reasons why i went console in the fall of 2005. COD is for the kids, BF3 is to obviously, the number of 10 year olds increases every time i play.

ch7226
ch7226

@areial_ace @ch7226 @squidgy617 @edhc44  This comes from someone who hasn't seen the damage piracy is causing. Try running hacks on win8, it freezes, and/or auto deletes it, try it out, then read what your comment again, you'll face palm yourself lol. Piracy is killing PC gaming...

Lordcrabfood
Lordcrabfood

@Crystall3d @deltaLiege Really, COD had a good story?  No, it was terrible, Nier, Deadly Premonition had much better narratives.  COD had such a contrived story, I had no interest in it at all.

deltaLiege
deltaLiege

@ch7226 @deltaLiege @platinumking320 Indeed. Our world has evolved to a digital era, but we take the good, from the bad in this. unfortunately piracy will always be a major player. But my OP, I  dont blame the pirates for what they do. Cause and effect.  We've been in a  recession for sometime now. jobs being sent to other countries choking out our economy, we make shytt smaller and raise the prices, and i wont go into the obvious laundry list of other points that can contribute to the driving force of piracy. it doesn't make it right. but it also doesn't make it right to sell crap games for 60 bucks either.  

ch7226
ch7226

@deltaLiege@platinumking320And PC gaming is no different, 85% of what's on steam isn't worth 50 cents much less 20, 30 or 40 bucks that they're asking for it. It's not just consoles, it's the video game industry...it's spinning its wheels in the mud has been for 7-8 years now. Especially PC...who would want to develop a hot new title for PC just so half the world can pirate it through bittorent?

kormarch28
kormarch28

@ch7226

@kormarch28

@djames12345

 P.S. I don't care for sodas, monsters, that's a different story, but when you work in a factory from 4am to 230pm, they become reasonable.

kormarch28
kormarch28

@ch7226 @kormarch28 @djames12345 I'm sure you already have a computer, if you pay 80 bucks for a 530w power supply, and 130 for a HD 7850, you now have only spent $210 on gaming machine that will have no issue playing the latest and future games. Like you said, yea, if you don't already own a computer then it would get pretty hefty, but buying a tower and monitor in the complete kits, with as I said before will cost you about as much as an Xbox one. The price tags on these new consoles are absolutely ridiculous.

kormarch28
kormarch28

@edhc44 I think you need to get a hand mirror. You described yourself in every way. If I was so blatantly biased towards Sony then why am I gaming with windows and not a ps3, nor a ps4 when it launches? oh shit I'm supporting Microsoft? No way.........That's what PC gamers use? Microsoft Windows? Yea.... have a nice one tool bag. This is what I need, you to never say anything to anyone ever, because your an idiot.

edhc44
edhc44

@kormarch28 Pointless are these kind of arguments, but if you insist... Everything you punctuated as a "FACT" is not a FACT, it is merely your opinion. FACTS are well estabilished and thoroughly researched observations about a certain subject while everything you said is generic and even though may reflect upon your personal experience, they do not speak for the subject as a whole. How do I know that? I for one, disagree with almost every FACT you pointed out about PS3 and Xbox supporters. While the Xbox is indeed inferior hardware-wise, everything else you said is a good example of yourself blowing hot air. Besides, while trying to sound neutral, you're obviously biased towards Sony. Furthermore, you're so lost in your flawed logic that you don't even seem to realise you're presenting yourself as a good example of PC gamer elitism, which in most cases is even more annoying than console fanboyism. So there you have it, justified my first comment bugging the hell out of you capitalizing the word FACT in every use and sent you back to school on how *meaningless* your original post was. Something else you need?

kormarch28
kormarch28

@edhc44 @kormarch28 @djames12345 "Ditto"? that's what you have to say for yourself? I ask what your point was and you say ditto? You come on here and talk shit to people and when they smack your epeen you have nothing to say but ditto? I see that as a last ditch effort to make yourself feel better, or have the last work. Again, useless.

Have a good one.